in you more on that as and when we get it. now we're going to move on with our new program now and come back to this through throughout the, the coming minutes and hours. but in all the news, the incidence that we just described of others to you, these is the latest in a series of ukraine attacks on russian territory. just was early in the brown screeching of russia, an explosive device derailed a freight train on around 20 of its carriages. now. his ortiz roman cos room with more details, according to the local government. so locomotive, and possibly as many as its wency wagons of a freight train derailed due to an explosive device. and this confirmed early reports that several explosions were heard in the area on tuesday nights. now. russian railways officials stated earlier that the incident occurred due to an illegal interference in the area. according to preliminary information. there were

no casualties and no open fires. however, there could be environmental damage because there's some reports from the area suggests that some of the overturned wagons, presumably contained chemicals. now, city fire brigades are on the scene and to recovery trains have also been dispatched to this says section of the railway. now a railway traffic in this, on this line has been temporarily suspended for now it's not to the 1st such incident, sir. brown screeching and it's section of the russian railways were also attacked, said just last week, an explosion caused the derailment of another cargo train. and traffic of air was temporarily a whole fits at that time. 7 wagons had been derailed and the damage to the line was reported as well, and traffic was resumed there just on tuesday morning. and sir, just like this tuesday, there were no civilian casualties. now in general,

it seems that a bronze creegan which is adjacent to the ukrainian border has been under recurring attacks in the recent weeks. and just last week for civilians were killed that there after ukraine used multiple launch rocket systems against one of the local villages. about to are breaking news this our on our see just minutes ago the kremlin press office reports of the ukraine attempts at a drone attack on the russian president's residence in the kremlin overnight. now russia, the drone of talk and sense on the russian president's life, the crumbling said that the attack on the residence was a planned terrorist and an assassination attempt on blood. the men pretend ukraine's dalia commented on that the military and special services repelled the attack using re dot county measures, which apparently took out the u. a. v. 's, while the president was unharmed and his work schedule remained unchanged on falling on jones, cause no damage or casualties inside the kremlin. come in,

did they regard those actions as a fund terrorist attack on the eve of the 9th of may victory day celebrations, where foreign dignitaries will be in attendance. and i also said that russia is as the right to take mythology measures where and when it's these fits well for more on this, we're joined live now by former senior security policy analyst in the office of the secretary of state, micro mall of micro thanks very much for joining us as such short notice, obviously breaking news here on the board. first of all, want to get your initial thoughts on this topic that's been reported by the kremlin . well, key has been threatening to expand the war. they even threaten design recall very recently in a, in one press report to attack moscow. so this does not come as a huge surprise at the same time. it really is an escalation. it really shows a determination on the part of keith not to want to sit down and negotiate

a cease fire. and this is only going to re cause a retaliatory measure of a promised offensive. i've been working with a group of patriots international alliance group, newly formed to try and get a cease fire under way. but this, this really sends a very serious message. that key is not in any mood to, to negotiate whatsoever. and that's very disheartening. and i think that this is only going now result in some ethical latoria actions on the part of not only moscow, but also keep and, and it's, this is, this really is a very serious development with a currently in house, apologies, friendships you, michael, the, the crime in does consider, it's a terrorist attack and he said that it was a right to take. we tolerate your measures and when it sees fit, if you were to speculate what do you think those retaliatory measures could be?

and how would this escalate? the war between the 2 countries. well, i see an intensive case. i see the potential for it put an intensification of our infrastructure in getting key, maybe even attacking the the present the key for the, the, the, the, the ukranian presence at region in chief. so i think that this is the, this can be very, very serious and, and this is, i think they, the, we just have to stand by and see and effort. now going to be a to try and get the both sides to tamp down this potential escalator. a move it but this really could open up a pandora's box. no russia says this, this drone and psych was an attempt on the president's life novice. the current hasn't yet. comments on on, isn't comments on any of its drone effects on russia. it's looking like we further

away from peace than we've been for, for quite some time. you know, obviously comes on the eve of the victor day in russia. do you think that this, this is a coincidence that it happened a couple of days before the victor day celebrations all specifically time for it sounds very calculated to me. i think it was meant to be a, a signal of resistance, of course, by keith, which you can that well see is there, is there a desire to stand up to russia and it's, and i, i, i think the, i think that this goes, i don't think that this was approved by washington. i would tend to doubt that, but you never know. i, i don't think the key would have taken this step, this major escalate, tory step a and without, without some approval. but again, i have no information at this point a to that extent,

but that's something worth looking at it. in a d, this is, is overseas of brit breaking use here. nazi, we only found out ourselves a couple of a couple of minutes ago. literally, michael, i'm so we can do not now especially speculated the possible fallout from this m. we've talked about russia's possible reaction. how do you think this will go down with keith's western allies, especially with the, the counter offensive anticipated to be to come in in the next couple of weeks or so i'll do you think she'll go on american europe? well, i think it's going to raise some very, very serious concerns. again, i don't know if he did this on, on with approvals from washington and nato. and if so, that really puts them in, in the middle of all of this because beyond almost the proxy war. but i think the that, that, that, that they're, that they're conducting right now. but if that is the case, i think that this is,

this could have ramifications throughout nato and in the united states in terms of what to do because this, because when i think they're going to be able to see is a clear response coming from moscow to this, this isn't, this isn't just a single attack. this was meant to be not only symbolic, but it was meant to be effective against the president of russia to send a very dire message. and the only response i think that will come out of this will be some form of, of escalation. and which is something we've been trying to avoid about it even against our best efforts. it's not working with it. so i think it'll be on point. you're going to have, you're going to have this kind of a spring offensive in order to get it get either side to finally decide. we've got to sit down and talk now. no,

you actually you so so on my next question i did that michael, i just did want to ask you how much you think this was a serious attack. aim to do job damage or how much do you think it was symbolic? obvious is the hearts of moscow. i see myself the air defenses around moscow as i was driving back into the city at just yesterday. do you think this was a serious? it's like i'm of a symbolic statement. i think was both. i think it was meant to not only be symbolic, but also to be effective if they could have knocked out the president of russia. that would have been a major, major, psychological victory if anything but on the part of keith. but at the same time it's it, i'm glad it didn't happen because that would have just ruptured everything. and, and i think that that's something that we've got to think about it purposely. moscow has not tried to laughter, lensky,

and i think that that has been measured in terms of what, what, what they've done, what their special military operation. but i don't know in light of this, it's very, it was very calculated. it was land, it did show that the musket air defense system is quite effective. that's, that's good. and just talking a little bit about the war more, while widely michael, there have been many reports in the west. the media about this anticipated counter offensive by kia nato says it's, it's given almost a 100 percent, i believe the biggest 9690 percent of the equipment that he planned to give kiev. how do you see the war on the, on the front lines developing over the next couple of weeks or so? i think the a, i think is hopeless for a key. i think that they have limited means that if almost all of the equipment

that they're supposed to be getting is come in as already arrived. and stock piles are being destroyed by, by russia. i think their ability to, to do anything effective is very, very limited. if they wanted to hit crimea, i don't, i don't think that even though they're, they're taking some pot shots. i don't think it's going to work effectively to bring about a change in events. i know i know that victoria knew and whose number 3 in our state department is advocating it. but she's, you know, there, she's never been in a war. she's net. she heard her intention is to go after is to have regime change in moscow and which, which makes me sort of wonder if this wasn't a pass by washington at some point and this latest event with against the kremlin. i'm, i'm really worried about that now. as,

as i think about it, it's, it's this, this is really a dramatic escalation, and i think it's going to be met with, with a counter attack of some kind. and, but i just don't see zalinski getting his way. and at some point this is got it, cease, we've got to bring this to an end. otherwise, this whole thing is going to escalate beyond just ukraine and, and, and with us in meld into other conflicts. we have around the, around the world. this could have a very cascading effect. if this goes on in d doesn't extremely extreme worrying to think about michael. now, do you think with, with all this weston equipment, i mean mission that has been pumped into to ukraine. do you think there's a certain pressure on them now to to, to do something with it basically, and if they don't, then maybe the west will, will wonder how much more is ready to support kevin, this war?

well, it's, you know, they have limited supplies. i mean it, how effective are they going to be? apparently they've gone through the commitment like crazy minutes. so they have a high rate of, of attrition on this stuff and, and in usage. and they've their burden it like crazy and they can only be supplied with so much. the west only has so much in terms of, of buy existing stock piles. and it will take months if not years to replenish that . and, and that, that, that bodes ill because in, in the event that there are future crises which i anticipate. so this, this is, i think it keeps the ability to carry this on much longer is very limited. and of course, russia has supplies that they haven't even brought forward yet. so i think that this, this could really bode ill for a key when they should settle down. and otherwise they're going to just lose what

they have to do. think the only option f a key of would be to, to reach for the negotiating table with the brochure. yeah. oh, yeah, we've, some of us that have been, we're trying to get an international effort going now the to do just that. and under our patriot international alliance and, and to, to you from, from a lot of the nato country in the truck, countries themselves to try and get the both sides to set, to sit down to 1st of all have a ceasefire and then have a negotiation. yeah, he's going to lose. there is no question, but if they continue this on, they're going to lose a lot more. and the, and a lot more people, especially will, will love parish, not to mention territory. so i think that this is, this is goddess. come to a hall and, and where is the you and where, where are the, where the adults in the room in the world to do is to tell these people to knock it

off and, and, and i, i just don't hear it from the west on, on keith, if, if it's a same with the bind, leaving it up to zaleski, well i think zalinski basically has a death wish well format senior security policy analyst in the office of the sector defense, michael mullis. thanks so much for giving us your reaction today to those those joint attacks on the kremlin. it's been a very in depth and fascinating discussion with you as always. thank you. thank you, peter. well now just a reminder, for those of you tuning in now of our breaking news story here on archie international just minutes ago with the kremlin press office report so that ukraine that attempted a drone attack on the russian presidents remnant residence in the kremlin overnights. now russia has said that he does consider that an attack on the president's life. the kremlin said that the attack on the presidential residence

was a terrorist act. and as we just said, an assassination attempt on the russian presidents. now ukraine hasn't yet commented on that attack. the rushes military and special services repelled the attack using radar countermeasures which apparently destroyed you. avi's and the president's monument brewton was unharmed and his work schedule has remained unchanged out when those drones were taken out by those defenses. they did come to the gravity to cause no damage or any casualties inside the kremlin. now in the press release, the, the russian press service to come in for service did say the regards these actions as planned. terrorist acts on the eve of the 9th of may victory day celebrations, where foreign dignitaries will be in attendance now receive each day in russia is a huge celebration of russia's role in the defeats of nazi germany during the 2nd

world war and was known here as the great patriotic war with almost 2627000000 people dying on that. another crunch did say that it will retaliate. she what is called a terrorist act or with retard she measures when and where it sees fit. obviously developing story here. nazi, we're going to be covering it or throughout the day. so for those of you again, just joining the we have some pictures now as on verified video, but it's latent. so you are breaking news story, helena archie, what we can see is the kremlin now, which is located in the center of moscow, and what appears to be smoke in the air and to attack the kremlin, the russian presidents residents, special aerial counter measures. there are the russian president wasn't hand and the debris caused by those drones been taken up there, cause no damage to the kremlin or any casualties there. another criminal has

described this as an assassination attempt on the russian president. ukraine hasn't yet commented on this, and the criminal has described it as a terrorist. acts at timed to coincide with the may, the 9th victory day celebrations, which are obviously coming up in a couple of days now. have been general rehearsals for that and is a huge celebration in russia, which last 2627000000 people in the 2nd world war, the great patriotic war as is known here. and in the, the defeats of nazi germany. another criminal has said that it does reserve the right to respond to what is called a terrorist attack and assassination attempts on the head of states and reserves the right to take with sophie measures as and when it sees fit. now it did not besser specify the nature of those or tele measures,

or when or where they will happen. and as i said, this is a breaking story. it will be bringing you all the developments here on archie and of course our websites are c dot com and our social media channels. now the body may putin was unharmed on his work schedule, remains unchanged. unclear whether he was in the coming at the time of the attack by those 2 unmanned aerial vehicles. and we can see the map now of moscow satellite for teachers. you can see the kremlin is locates its rights in the hearts of moscow, which is certainly quite a statement by ukraine and could mark a significant escalation in the war that's been going on for over a year now. and you can see on verified forty's now on your screens of what appears to be that drone attack on the cram. you can see one of the towers there of the kremlin foster, the russian flag in the background. early we did see some what appeared to be smoke

in the, in the nights or will we work on getting more footage of you less or more footage for you of this attack. and this is all we have a at the moment. and again, for those of you just join into it, breaking the wheel here on our t. m a. continuing with our rolling coverage of this news because less than an hour ago the press service of the kremlin said the on late on tuesday night, early wednesday morning is depressive. he said that the key of regime made an attempt to you a v strike at the kremlin residence of the russian president vladimir putin. now this attack comprised 2 unmanned aerial vehicles. they were taken out of action in the debris course in those vehicles where it was the vehicles themselves or, or the fragments from them cause no casualties. and the russian president was an hum key of hasn't commented on that. well,

for more on this rolling use here on our c, r c, corresponding eagerness done of is now joining me live in the studio to break down this term. quite significant breaking news here on r t. m e. go. what more can you tell us about the situation in this, you are the attack on the, from an overnight or absolutely some truly breaking news here, coming out of the russian capital. and i mean, the russian authorities are for a long time, talked about the red lines that exist in the conflict. now it seems that these red lines, they have been, well they, i've been colored in the shade over the kremlin walls, which are source of red ish. now that is of course said said irony because this is something that many here did not expect. and it came out of the blue, or indeed the attack itself, it was thwarted, it was averted. there is video footage of the unmanned drone flying crossing the crumbling walls and flying on to the territory of one of the most protected and well defended compounds in the world. really. and as it is being shot down over one

of the buildings, one of the buildings are inside the kremlin. now it did. it did cause minor damage . nobody was hot air. the russian president wasn't on the, even on the premises. the criminal has already commented that he works from his residence outside of moscow, his main residence, really a here in the russian capital. and so there were no casualties. but still, the very fact that this happened. it has had the russian, mostly russian, patriotic. i'm a parser and the fragment of the society has them questioning as to what is going to happen. now, are we going to respond? because the calls to, to war, to assassinate zalinski, to take down the ruling elites of ukraine. the military leads of ukraine. they have been present cause for this, they have been quite loud among the patriotic parts of the russian society for the past year or so every single time president zalinski, for instance,

would make an appearance or in one, in any of the frontline towels like boot or before that, unless he chance console and, and so forth, there would be cools and there would be questions and questions would be raised asking was going on, why did not we target him? why didn't we take out the well, the commander in chief of the enemy army are so are those, those are cause of those questions. they remained largely unanswered and they have been well and the only answer that we could possibly it through experts and not through officials, was that well, red lines. they exist in this conflict. and so her and that russia is trying to play by the book to follow the rules of warfare. but this, this really, i will have to see, of course, how kremlin reacts and how the russian military course is. he said, he said it does reserve the right to, to, to retaliate. we don't exactly know what those measures will be. and so you've seen this footage close, and i hope that these are these drones consumer style jones with

a miniature drones. do you know anything about the type of the device? so how do you get? well, the 1st things 1st, the drone in the video, it looks quite large. so it doesn't look like a, a, d, g i magic or an out tell or anything that a consumer can buy via. i dont know any of the chinese shopping platforms. it looks quite large. but i mean, the other question that has to be asked is to, how did he reach, how did he manage to fly so far deeper into the russian territory and all the way to the heart of russia really here are the crooked lot. you think so far away? possibly and well again, uh, drones, they different military drones, their specifications. they are often a secret the, it's not something available to the general public or to be for members of the media of the press. but it's a good few 100. i mean, it's more than 6700 kilometers from the front line as it it where it stands now a to moscow. so it's, and it's a long, long distance. so i guess the russian security services will now be looking into

will now be looking into any of the terrorist cells that might be pro ukrainian terrorist cells that might be present here are closer to moscow on the outskirts of moscow because we have seen through other drones, you know, our crash landing on the outskirts of moscow. this is the 1st instance of a draw now, you know, banking it to the red square really. and so, i mean, because there are, we know that for a fact that there are sleeper cells pro ukrainian sleeper cells here in russia. i'm just going to insure their, he could because he can see on the screen. so i've actually got the, the footage of, of the, the explosion of that drone. a bullet cruise is what i'm talking about seats quite large. and it is being, it looks like it's being shot down just above this. well, this dome with the flag because yeah, not crashing to the flag. i've been studying this footage. see, and it flies past it and then it just explodes, exposure mid air. what is it unclear after it is, is exposure from the drone yourself or you think of the m, the device it was taken?

it does. we are ethically, it could be, it could receive the command from the drone operate and could and it, so, i mean, it could happen, but we all would we, we've already heard from the kremlin and from the officials that they used a combination of measures. so probably it was shut down, but also we do know the electronic warfare measures were in place as well. so, and some electronic warfare, our tools, they a, his how they work. basically they fry the brains of the drones so it could get into the, it could get within the range of this electronic warfare tool or are and so it's brains could be fried and so it could miss for mistake. sometimes it caused them to land if they get overwhelmed with these things, are different devices on that. it's true on the market. let me get what you say about the, the timing of this, because he's, it's may, the 3rd may, the 9th, less than a week away is a huge celebration in russia. there's

a big parade. it's the, you know, it's a symbol of, of great patriotism in russia. and would make it a time in significance of the time. well, i guess it is significant because ukraine has been promising and has been teasing it's counter offensive for 4 months now. and so russia has been preparing for that . at the same time, ukraine has simultaneously been stepping up. it's, well, it's terrorist efforts i have to say on the, on the russian soil it has been awakening its sleeper cells just earlier here on the program. probably some of our views can see my blank, the, and extensive reports, and one of the cells in russia's crimea that was uncovered and well detained and arrested by russia securing the hazardous situation. brianna skus lattice. lucy was still drill ukrainians. they are targeting rushes railroads. so basically they're from what i've seen, their strategy has been we will try and head everything that we will be able to get our hands to. so if you, if you let us close enough to,

then we will blow it up. i mean, some of the, some of ukraine's attacks didn't make they made no military's military sense at all . i'd say, even the majority over that happened on the russian soil. like they a blew up the railway tracks a couple of times those, those damages they can be mitigated very quickly. be those those railroads, they can be rebuilt very quickly. they would attack like a excavators are empty excavators in opa out there in the open fields just to it's like it's, it's, it's a scare tactics there, scare mongering, and they're trying to, they trying to scare mostly the russians who live in the areas that are close to the war zone that is in ukraine. right now ukraine doesn't comments as a rule on, on these know these attacks. yeah. i do it. if you, what do you think that the, the russian response will be to that the, obviously the current, the, the criminal said that it will take its allergy measures. to what extent is this an escalation, the water? well, we will only have to see,

we will only have to see what the really do because the capacity and the capabilities of the russian military, they are, well, they are scary. they're scary. so, i mean, as long as hopefully the nuclear option is not on the table, but the russians, the a, we have to talk about the fact that the russians, the, that the russia possesses, that the russian military is in possession of some very capable and absolutely devastating nuclear nuclear arsenal, and that is scary at by that at the same time, russia has a plenty of conventional, conventional possibilities to respond. russia has been repeatedly striking, ukraine's her infrastructure throughout the past to the past months. really starting our last year out about 5 or 6 months ago, i believe. so, rush has been doing that. russia has been taking out ukraine's gasoline and supplies their warehouses, their military infrastructure,

energy infrastructure. so we'll have to see how much of a step up there will be in rushes. attacks targeting b crenan soil in did indeed we will. e g a thanks very much for that in depth discussion on that. so you a via tag on the chrome and thanks so much let's go live now to author and war correspondent, thomas roper or thomas, thanks for your.