i didn't see the life of the leader, and i mean the reactions will be forcible and there is no, no doubt that russia will have to retire yet. definitely it is also maybe just seen as a statement here. we can do something and they haven't figured out where the president was at that time. what would you expect the west's response to this to be? what do you think keeps allies will say about this, this upon georgia tech on the coming. i believe they will simply say, well, they can't ignore it because it is major news and about today. but they will probably say that it was not sticky of red room. it was not the landscape paper and they will probably put it like with a lot stream to bombings, they explosion stay said later, it was some ukrainian terrorists to, well, maybe they had your passport to effect passports. nobody knows. but they will not admit anything there. once a flesh this out, some more of these egotist done, of joins me now live in the studio. eager. thanks for joining me again in

a studio. are there been any developments this you a v attack on the crime? well, lately we have seen some reaction pouring from ukraine and that we've had a couple of officials, one of them being the advisor to the ukranian president zelinski. they have both denied any involvement of key in this attack. and they have kind of also talks about that kind of, they haven't to explicitly denied their involvement and of attacks on the russian soil. but they hinted at the fact that they don't believe themselves. they don't hold themselves responsible. but when it comes to, well, the footage that you see in the screens here and your screens here, they have said the key of has nothing to do with this. but again, the russian intelligence has never stopped from a pending blame on cave for such attacks, which despite all their denials and them saying that they have nothing to do with it. we've had the explosion of the crime in bridge that has well rendered. the pop

that has partially rendered the crimean bridge is basically it was incapable of operating into its full capacity. then we've had the murder, the assassination of a duke in the last year, an explosive device, a car bomb was planted on the vehicle by a ukrainian national who, using fools, documents, managed to hastily escape russia. to stoney, i think too well to eastern europe. then we've had the bombing of blood in the sky, which happened almost exactly a month ago on the 2nd day of april. and so you have, you have that also orchestrated and will carried out by a russian national who received orders from the ukranian side who had recently, who had shortly before that got in touch with the ukrainians. and they well, they had her do what she did. she brought a statuette to berlin to task,

which turned out to be an e. d. in all these instances, in all these tragedies, the ukrainian side vehemently denied any of its involvement as it does now, but russia still holds them accountable. and again, their denial isn't to going to shape the russian rhetoric or when it comes to this story in any shape or form. well, eager, thanks very much for bringing the latest developments on this joint attack on the credit. and if you could keep us posted as more information comes on that, thank you. but earlier we spoke to former senior security policy unless in the office of the section defense michael mullin, he says it's the tax may have serious consequences for the war and ukraine. dave has been threatening to expand the war they even threatened, as i recall, very recently in a, in one press report to attack moscow. so this does not come as

a huge surprise at the same time. it really is an escalation. it really shows a determination on the part of keith not to want to sit down and negotiate a cease fire. and this is only going to re cause a, a retaliatory measure of, of a promised offensive. and i've been working with a group of patriots international alliance group or newly formed to try and get a cease fire underweighed. but this, this really sends a very serious message that keith is not in any mood to negotiate whatsoever. and that's very disheartening and i, i think that this is only good now result in some escalate. toria actions are on the part of not only moscow but also key in the and it's this is, this really is a very serious development. i see an intensive k, i see the potential for it,

but an intensification of our infrastructure in getting keep maybe even attacking the the present the keep as the, the, the, the, the ukranian presence at region and keith. so i think that this is a, this can be very, very serious and, and this is a, i think they, the, we just have to stand by and see if there's an effort. now going to be a to try and get the both sides to tamp down this potential escalator, a move it, but this really could open up a pandora's box as cos live. now to methods hockey, cassim professor of international law. and experts on sir is um, he's joining us live now from istanbul. thank you very much for joining us this afternoon. a or nazi? now, 1st of all, i just want to get your initial reaction to this reported attack on the coming.

ok. thank you so much. we are the name of the nation. so i'm happy to the, the, and the reality. terrorist attack to the heart of the russian federation. roger, my fire symbol of the credit call up. i hope they were targeting me, putting this field, the name of the 90 level, the russian b is not acceptable and local on thursday and they didn't. they didn't actually love him, get him. i can work them the logo for you and human. if you're you law, because this is tropical up the roster for the right you hundreds of years who have the organ, my situation is unacceptable position and russia. and prior the serenity there might go back into reflecting the ferry against the rock. and we're probably going to national system, the probably centers to watch your russian brain conflict center. also

they are part of the thing. if russia is going to use in the past, the go up during a very acceptable one. again, it is, again, the crimea will be out there, very harmful, responsible actor, and it's a cookie. i ha, yes, we're here. all the russian mission, is that good? no stairs now hostile putting the russia. you get off work, do some people is part of the restroom, bridge. people and radar may be off the war with you. and then the, the far mr. folk and the russian, the, they will be policy able to answer their responsible according to the national, lo, it was still, you couldn't, has denied any, any responsibility. and of course the, the russian investigatory committee is currently finding out who was at the behind

this attack. but as you've just mentioned, do you think this will lead to a effort escalation in the war between the 2 countries? thank you so much. it is, it's very critical. marin meaning feel, let's get engaged. i helped us. this is, 1st of all, you know, and we all the name of the nation behind me through this. we believe that all your all right, good. the ration by there really in my idea as making a law professor in the military, i don't think so. they only do training people this is that organized well international attack and why they were attacked. har goes to russia federation and the last, the roster. this is the 3rd,

the number one is the bring it kind of to 3 point the threat of russia. but they forget russia is a b, c and your history. you're. 8 and you're watching the, the, against the guy not that you burial power retention off the russian federation. now . and i hope you put your hand well, let me call the media to really, really narrow the right to them. but the russian federation in the living one is 3 today. but when you're looking for people, we are reachable international theories. do we know where we are organized and we're supposed to put it in their policy and public lay out 3. do think that special significance in the timing of this type obviously becomes

a couple of days before the may, the 9 celebrations, which are obviously very important here in russia. but it's also comes as, as an anticipated counter offensive by key if against russia. do you think the timing of this? the fact is the significance. ok, you remember that which is way many find the declaration and also these conflicts. and also we have to disable off to the multiple to get to you. and that is that the good news in the queue of last year, you remembered that turkey was the russian brain in the in order to get your fire as soon as that stuff is off. and also you can do friday organize all your, the great meeting, be feeling great. and on the rock military people will come to conversation about degree and mom. why this is regarding delta blake,

ca security. this timing is very, you know, we some people in the black the truth and do you remember that mr. pasco was make history escalation. dyslexia, it can be programmed by the russian also an older brain and other repair. you feel like we don't want people, the charges closer to your monthly convention, the freight in south to compete. and you remember the 30 and also roger may be a so condition in the like you have money for so this, i mean you, i hope no one will be feeling great and out. so do russia or, and we know we know it well because they need to be, go, i have decided to, they came to russia and when they say the patients there, yes, i like it on

a separate military. now, what's your house said the victor day celebrations. will still take place of plunder with no changes your expect to see a significantly boosted security around those situations. celebrations. of course i, i agree with you sir. this is this is an organized and whining timing. and also another idea is the attack tactic. why they referred night time, they gave to women camouflage who are the thicker people and they have to be l. so may like is the the audi terrorist attack, but the one they ration intelligence bill. why? who is the organized these? and they will decorate all the international community who is responsible and who is, are there is unacceptable attack an aggressive moment according to international law

. it is unacceptable, very bad. and also harmful attack and also against the law. and i have to rush up really answer according to matching a low dear sat difference riser. well, message hockey, cassie professor of international law and terrorism experts. thanks very much for sharing your thoughts with those today. how naughty. again, they get not consider the russian people of the kremlin, as said he considers the it's act as a planned terrorist arts on an assassination attempts on the russian presidents. even though the president wasn't actually in the kremlin during the attack. and the falling drones for the drug that brief from the falling drones caused no damage or casualties inside the kremlin. but his 1st person says the presence schedule has been unchanged and he will be working. and his nova, i'll go over residence, which is in the moscow region, the coming out of there because these actions is

a punter sites on the eve of the 9th of may victory day celebrations, where foreign dignitaries will be in attendance, and that russia reserves the right to take retard, she measures where and when it sees fit, ukraine has denied any involvement in the psych their action from ukraine is that it doesn't know anything about the attack that on the coming no information regarding the so called night attacks on the kremlin. but as president laskey has repeatedly stated, ukraine directs all available forces to liberate its own territories not to attack foreign was blue cross live. now to all war correspondence. murat does de of eastern life now from the against republic. murat, good to see. you can, thanks very much for joining us. what you expect russia's response to be here. with the lead off die off. they get many years of working with various

russian heads that well with their head of state, with various ministers you've, we, we've got a feel for how russian decision making works. and it is highly doubtful that russia will, you know, impulsively i act on this attack on the kremlin. again, though it is, it is a huge thing. the last on the kremlin was attacked was in 1942 by, by nazi germany. again, there are russian officials, deputies are members of parliament calling for a very tough perhaps, extreme reaction to, to what has happened. but my feeling is either colleagues that we've spoken to is that there will be a reaction. it may perhaps be much more measured than, than some would expect again, russia has avoided over the past year, striking a decision making centers in kia. for example, the s b use headquarters, the security service of ukraine. their headquarters in ukraine are in here are

still still untouched. the parliament, the key of the presidential administration in care of all of those have been untouched. brush has avoided striking the a could it now after this attack, perhaps theoretically, but will it? well, we feel that it is extremely unlikely, although there may again be another wave of, of cruise missiles strikes against military targets, or perhaps even the energy infrastructure of ukraine. now, do you anticipate that this will have an impact on the, the wider conflicts, murat? what things on the frontline are as tense as can be, as we speak hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of competed soldiers, troops have gathered across the front line, almost the 1000 kilometers. we're talking about an immense amount of far power,

thousands again and thousands of tags of artillery pieces of various various aerial assets of jets, helicopter stations on both sides, ukraine that no secret that despite the morling its air force is received, has received much more support from the west and we're talking here about old soviet helicopters and make 29 jets for poland. and other countries certainly thinks he already pause for the storm. that is about the said with ukraine's counter offensive. it will be an incredibly bloody affair. we've, you know, we've spoken and we've heard from various officials, for example, the head of p. m t wagner. the private military company has said that he believes that you had in counterfeits of his already begun yes. ship. i believe that the ukrainian armies offensive has already, in fact, the gun on me was seeing the most intense activity from enemy aircraft on the

perimeter and inside our front, even at the same time while we are in control of our front insights. unfortunately, the situation on the perimeter doesn't look great, even we'll do. i won't comment on how secure our thanks are out of politeness enough. the enemy has also become more active beyond the historical borders of ukraine in the russian federation, where we can see the situation in various areas, trains, drones, and surround them. i believe that all this has already started and things will end to the active phase in the near future in a matter of days perhaps. again, this build up has continued for, for many months, dow, on both sides, a huge amount of ammunition of spare armor vehicles. albuquerque carries tags though the works are all here, get air defenses. so certainly things are extremely tense now. and the expectation is that now that the weather has warmed significantly, the ground has begun. if perhaps not entirely dried up. but these are conducted use

of now of a wider offensive that ukraine plans and carrying out with indeed and, and do you believe this john attack on the kremlin? would you make the timing of it? is it was it be time to coincide? oh, with this anticipated counter offensive mother you could do, you, can you government has demonstrated that these people are desperate. it has say, you know, e, it has struck previously at madison cities across the board and said, look, we can strike into russia. never mind that, that a shock at civilian neighbourhood, sloane strewn that electrical substations leaving military targets. i've touched, causing you your inconvenience to, to 1000, but also killing and killing civilians. dozens and dozens of civilians injuring hundreds across the border in russia and various villages. they're the countryside. we've also seen the,

the terror attacks against russian journalists and activists. for example, the murder of 2 prominent journalists and russia itself. what in a car bombing, one in a cafe bombing, just recently in st. petersburg, we were there in cassandra and americans applied hi mas miss. i'll shut the hotel, we were staying and all to get it. an activist that a former ukrainian parliamentary, who was also staying at the hotel. no lou soldiers around us. but again, after every incident that they the e, it flaws around the world. it's headlines around the world and you credit has to have sponsors look we're, we're taking action. we've done this, we've done, we've done that. so certainly this will be used domestically, especially by ukraine, but again, there's a huge risk of, of escalation. look, what happens if russia says that these drones flew in, navigated by american gps systems, satellites, all starling yellow must starling satellites?

would they now be a legitimate target to a, to avoid and to prevent further attacks from the kremlin a gesture for food for thought there is now much more room for escalation than the was 24 hours ago. but again, president zelinski ha, now on a turn in finland, planning to travel, perhaps the gemini, or somewhere else in europe next, has come out and said that the counter offensive is about to begin and he hopes to gain by it. why am i sure that we will get jets because sooner we'll take offense affections after that, i am sure there will give us planes. i would like it to be the other way around, but it is what it is. as i said, the, the history of this conflict since day one has been escalation. after escalation, we heard that 1st sheet of various western nations native states, reluctant to said artillery pieces to ukraine will leave the late so that

resistance crumbled gl was crushed by other members. of a of nasal, then they sent tags than they said jets. now they're planning on sending f 16 o fighter bombers from the, from the united states at ease. i'm incredibly dangerous times over the past year. it has only gotten much more dangerous. indeed. well, we'll have to wait and see how this affects the wider conflicts. ortiz murat gasdio . thanks very much for taking us through. that said the jonathan to come in today. earlier we discussed this with alter and war correspondence, thomas roper, who says that it's a closet, a causal danger to commit such attacks against the presidents of a nuclear power. i'm quite surprised because ah, well, in officially but in dunbar, i've learned that there is some kind of an inefficient agreement not to bond to attack places where leading politicians are, for example,

the ukraine's of course now where the head of the domestic republic is living. and, and they don't have to at tech, for example, the, his dog, his house. so there was some kind as far as i know in official agreement, not to do things like that. and that's why it was quite surprisingly for me. um and yeah, i'm very curious what the rational reaction will be. ukraine is agreeing that with the us side, many of the targets they are hitting of they are attacking we now that officially know that the u. s. is helping the ukraine with information from the secret services. so the more interesting question is, even whether you as a u. s. were informed about that attack, this is what i had really curious about the borders to russia. i still let say quite open. so people from me, from ukraine, who are supporting the ukranian side, or even some, some russians of the hills existing or who are against the russian policy. they might have done that. and i don't think that this drones were flying right from

ukraine through understand was of kilometers through russia to, to hit the criminal. and i'm afraid that this we're now may be fired from somewhere inside on your moscow what we have seen the explosions on. on the 1st video footage we have, they is they seem to be quite small. but if the russian or press release is true, that they were, are stopped by the, by the and defense system, then they might have been much stronger than it looks like on the pictures we have to work for. wait for details. i don't know, maybe of believing it that a key is not always a informing washing about that secret operation. so it may be watching what not informed. maybe it was informed. we don't know that yet, and we will see it on the reaction because if watching was not in front, they will, there will be some angry reaction because this is a quite big danger. that to attack the president of a nuclear power. this is something what if either they're going nuts in washington,

all they are really shocked. know themselves. we will see. and just before we go, a quick recap of that breaking news is our the kremlin report. so that's overnights . ukrainian forces attempted drone strikes on the office of the russian president. officials say to drones, have been done by russian defense. the criminal considers its act as upon terrorist attacks and assassination attempts on the russian presidency by the president's not been in the kremlin. at the time the debris from the jones cause no damage or casualties. ukraine denies any involvement at all of the psych bitty spokesperson says the presence schedule remains on change in to be working at the residence in our gary over which is in moscow region. the kremlin added that it regards these actions as a terrorist act on the eve of the 9th of may. victor day celebrations, which are about 6 days away. wherefore dignitaries will be in attendance and he said that russia reserves the right to retaliate as and when it sees fit.

well, that's all for me. we'll be back in just a few minutes with our rolling coverage of those drone attacks on the kremlin in just a few minutes. so hope to see very shortly. ah, in a book that bravo ah, is the aggressor today? i'm authorizing the additional strong sanctions. today, russia is the country with the most sanctions imposed against it. a number that's constantly growing up in your stitch us list, of course, shown here as we speak on the believe senior most in mine, or wish you were banding all in ports of russian oil and gas, new g i g with info let you know we're going to go to joe biden,

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an assassination attempts on the russian precedence by a ukrainian drone attack on the kremlin officially considered a terrorist act. thus, according to the president spokesperson, russian miniature services have repelled the drone attack using radar council measures. president putin was not harm that his schedule remains unchanged. the crime in the 3rd, russia retains the right to retaliate at any time as it sees fit with moscow.