i know it's easy to pick on ben wallace and things here. so, i mean, do we fill this, have any lead to message and, but the realities are hidden behind the curtain that every once in a while through leaks. if they're real, i can't tell. they are not tell us a very different story. go ahead in belgrade. i think that the elites in the west are, became victims essentially, and hostages of their own propaganda. they got high on their own supply, and this is why we hear all these. kudos the green all the time, whereas it, in fact, things are turning really a sour for of the western had germany, not only in ukraine, but around the world. while the media in the united states is a preoccupied with january 6th, 2020 or with what is happening in some villages around backwards. ah, the percent declarations are getting away from the western currencies. the a deal that the united states had with saudi arabia and the otter gulf countries.

so when it comes to all, and the, the control of the price is a lot of oil is off, latin america is turning away from the u. s. and that's why probably we hear the is a fairy tales about about the dissolution of russia. so well in coin. let me go to you in apple valley. i mean, you, you are in the f b. i hear you, you know, give us your sense of the veracity of these leaks here because we haven't really seen them. we've seen some reports on these and it's very different. like with wiki leaks. ok. so you as an expert, could look at documents and figure out if they're real or not, or it probably very quickly. now we're just given these pictures. ok. and they and, and actually there are contradictory, different pictures out there to is this a psych off operation here, or is it just the usual incompetence we expect from these people go ahead calling? i think the leaks themselves are real. i got the u. s. government would not have

gone to the measures that they dag trying to hunt the sky down and find them. unfortunately though, once they didn't get seen by a lot of people, just gamers in the and daft belin kat researchers. so it is possible that some of these documents now could have been tampered with, or, you know, forge tech sector it to change them slightly. that's possible. if anything, leaks now, you worley would have to be skeptical. but i think initially that some of the reports of what they contained were correct. it's also possible that some, some higher level people, maybe not the top level. i'm actually, we're okay with some of the leaks. yeah. you know, they try tech. they try to manage our perception. and so a lot of this is through dis, information. and sometimes actually information can be skilled to allow that this

information. well, i think, you know, cohen has a very good point. i've thought about that myself, but there's also this growing, i wouldn't even say debate because debates not really allowed. but you know, this seems to be much more of a biden administration agenda, forcing in upon the european union. it's in its nato allies. and then you have the intel community saying something very, very different. and i tend to agree with colleen. i think some people in the entire community are wanted to, to actually show that there is some kind of descent within the intel community, as opposed to the political class your thoughts alex, i mean we've seen this in the past strategically. so this really happened at a certain time for, for a certain reason. this could be all timing on, you know, we, we know the situation on the ground and back wilson beyond, we know the situation is not exactly what the western media is making it out to be . so why not put a little shiny star on the corner to look over this way?

we have a leak for you to, you know, pay attention to instead of what's actually happening on the ground. there's also other reasons, obviously for there to be a distraction. i mean, the situation in western europe in the you itself is not the best. the economy is suffering because of this war, no has a huge part to do with what's going on. and the fact that the sanctions aren't working. so, you know, i said this before, i helped write the book on sections when i used to work in the former yugoslavia for an agency you an agency in belgrade. and so our conclusion at that time was that sanctions don't work. and i would stick to that to this day. so the end story is, i think when you have something of this magnitude, it's allowed to slip out. sometimes. second of all, we're looking at a 21 year. ready gamer, how can you get your hands on this kind of information? so there must be something behind us. is that just a distraction, or is it a lot more than that? well, you, steven a, i, i have been told by former intel official cia specific, that it's

a virtual impossibility. an individual like this could get access to these documents unless he was given them. okay. okay. i don't want to go into this. we could chase our tails on this, and that's what they want us to do here. but i, i wanted to throw that out. when i started out with ben wallace talking about, you know, the imminent collapse of brush. i mean, i don't know what scenarios people have been talking about here. i thought it was about democracy versus autocracy. it's about a destroying russia. decoupling from china it's, it's all over the place here. stephen, go ahead. the simulations are, are getting wilder and wilder. where at the same time we see that the credibility of the politician is just plummet and politicians. i just want to think, especially when it comes to european politicians, for instance, now a cron is talking about right. a strategic economy of europe at the same time when he has huge protests in his own country and when his words are discredited. let's

remind ourselves back in 2018. he said that france needs to detach. when it got the security from a, from the united states, that nato, his brain, that, that the strategic partnership with both russia, turkey should be done. whereas in the meantime, france, france made a military deal with greece that is essentially against the turks. and it is a literally involved in the war against russia by supplying weapons and training to the ukraine. so i think that, that, of course, in this atmosphere, us speculations became, became something you know, we are losing the, a border let's say, between a reality and, and the speculative world world. and this call upon the western politicians as, as well. so that is why of course, now it is completely normal to you know,

for them to sell us a story that the gamer is capable of finding such kind of documents on his own and been calling. you can just play this shell game just so much because you just have to look out the window and that's what reality is. crime, inflation adida, industrialization. and these wacky woke stuff that everybody i, which i simply can't comprehend. ok, you can only play this diversionary game so much when you know, when the bill comes home, i mean, you know, even the cia is made it very clear. i guess another strategic gleick does how much the zalinski regime is skimming off of us aid here. that's an untenable thing. when your water supply in your home town is polluted, go ahead in apple bill, i'm apple valley. sorry. yeah, that's the tricky part of managing people's opinions and quote unquote,

making your own reality is that it does, it works for a while and in fact it's quite easy to do for a while as long as you control the mainstream media. however, it wears thin after a while and truth eventually the, there's an old song about the grass grows through the concrete. you know, the truth eventually get through to people's heads regardless. and that's why this constant distraction is necessary. it's really frustrating to be a victim of it. i have to say, you know, i want to throw my my something at the t v all the time because it's really frustrating to see this go on and not be able to push the truth out more. * but you know, you have to hope that the people that are managing people's perception with gets information and constant distraction, etc. well, well eventually there will be more leaks more,

more with some more. you have to hope that and you have to hope that the recklessness of the people on the talk in their desperation, does not get worse, where they are, they feel forced to do even more reckless measures. well, alex, a good example is that, is that most of the world doesn't by the nonsense about the destruction of the north stream pipelines. more people asking questions or oh, and by the way, seymour hersh now is considered misinformation on facebook. i think of colleen is absolutely right. people meeting to say, this is getting untenable at 30 seconds. where are we going to break? go ahead alex, this, what we're looking at right now. a virtue signaling has become a priority over telling the truth. so, i mean, my background is canadian, i'm from canada, born and raised, if you want the epitome of purchasing a signal, and that will be the country of cam for ukraine for you. be in europe for just one day, you know, a number of ukrainian, quite synchronous pieces being just driving around. and i'm not talking about regular cars. i'm talking about

a 100000 euros or not. i'm talking about rolls royces with ukrainian lakes, 2024 automobiles that were bought and ukraine, driven over here by somebody that's under the age of 50, usually a male. so everything that we're thinking is happening in ukraine to that we're setting some money there to help the people on the ground. it's helping a lot of people who are not in your credit, ukrainian soil, i greatly to and as part of the program, we're going to go to a short break and a half or is our break. we'll continue our discussion on confused narrative. stay with ah ah ah, well oh oh

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welcome back to cross sack where all things are considered. i'm peter labelle from and you were discussing confused narratives. ah, yes. go back to belgrade stephen, i. you've already mentioned in the program, but i think it's worth talking about that about the frenchman president talking about strategic autonomy, which i found to be quite mildly amusing because as you've already pointed out, he's kind of talked about these things before. but what makes it kind of comic and even tragic? is it? well, prefer the president of france. it's too late for you even to start thinking about these things. choices have been made for you and you've made your own choices. so any talk of autonomy is almost a pipe dream at this point. nord stream twos destroyed, energy prices skyrocketing, most countries in europe have double digit inflation. those are the issues you're

going to have to be dealing with. you're not going to be talking about will we be strategic weekly autonomy from the united states. that ship is already sailed to the detriment of europe. go ahead. exactly as the late perimeter of serbia, as long as you once said, you can make fish soup out of aquarium, but you cannot make an aquarium with fish out of fish too. so micron are saying these things after everything that he has personally done and, and he's still trying to pretend to be in a bike or somebody who has a dependency watching at the, you know, process is aware. in fact, i think that by, than has brought back nato from this brain death that, oh yeah, wrong was talking about and, and in fact, what happened in the process is that france and germany in the 1st place became exactly want to my trunk, says that they should not be,

they became vessels of the united states. and i mean, this reminds me of the prison psychology where i wants to preserve, gives in a little bit, then you know that no, and to concessions. and that is exactly what france did. and now mark, ron woke up after, after a year, being heavily involved in war with french weapons being sent to ukrainian front as we speak. and now he's talking about strategic autonomy. i honestly don't know what it was. what is happening to him? well, you know, he said he's, he's in the same, you know, circle has been wallace these people, but it would be on what's happening now in the west. is that the same kind of beliefs her or an acting regime change at home? they're using exactly the same playbook of disinformation, empowering certain groups are disappearing. others. we see this with social media all the time. you know, i give kudos the on must be, you know,

twitter is not going to change the world. it could influence it, but it won't change it. and i think this is what creating so much frustration is because the leads are saying what, what problems are out there and they will work on them. but they're not my problems and the not yours. go ahead. well, is the regime change playbook has worked a lot, as you mentioned. however, there it hasn't worked on most recently, for instance, with hong kong. it, it didn't work real well. it didn't work real well with venezuela. so there's been, i think, a turn here where that play book of regime change is becoming harder to enact. and yes, i think it's also true. they are, they're arresting. * i just anti war people that are, you know, anti war were arrested in charge. i don't know what they can even be charged with for their opinions. but this seems to be again, more an evidence of more desperation on the part of the control. people who

want to control the narrative at the top that they then have to resort to measures like charging people in the united states who are anti war based by the censorship that they work in collaboration with social media. the seems you, as if you were in charge, you wouldn't want to, to engage in those measures because they actually are counterproductive. and i think all of this, you know, it's just a blowback from the situation that the united states has been waging, you know, perpetual quote. unquote, perpetual war for so long that it becomes more and more debt are harder to control the narrative. and they have to resort to these unique unusual measures where he is alex, you know, i've been watching the prime minister of canada. i mean, you know, for an american administration that wants to divide the world into a talker season democracies. i don't know why canada's in the democracy category seems very autocratic to me with the prime minister. you have mr. trudeau

autocratic, are that you're for me? that's debatable. or though, i mean basically what's happening in canada, the problem is that there really is no other choice. there's 3 parties and you're looking at the same thing or all 3 parties. everybody is a part of the world economic forum. everybody's being ruled by the exact same people. one person will say they're conservative, the other will say they're liberal. the other will say they're socialists in the india and they're all exactly the same. so i shoot out what is what he's doing is basically just trying to maintain power. the whole thing with ukraine is, is part and parcel with that we have a huge ukrainian population. i believe it's the 2nd biggest in english, canada after the english speaking people. so that's your voter base, so that's who you're playing to and the rest of the people just fall into line. but like there, i mean, i'm in france now and i speak to canadians every day. i don't think the wall has been over the populations eyes in general. everybody knows what's going on. everybody knows what's happening in ukraine. everybody knows the canadian forces

have been there are 2000 since 2014, alongside americans of britain, french training. ready supposedly probably sector and the outdoor for tally in and everybody else. so eyes are opening up even wider these days because people want the war to and, and they're looking for information that basically docs that truth, that there should be peace, not war. yeah, well it's go back to bell. great. i mean, one of the most pathetic things and all of us have been watching this in real time . and with this crusade of democracy versus a talker, see, it's destroying ukraine. i mean it's, we had a chance last year about this time last year for that conflict to, to come to a very quick and abrupt end. but it was the west that wanted to continue this war. and zalinski went along with it, and he's just as culpable. ok. but you know, they were that were shown that there is no, there's only one outcome. it could defeat a brush destruction of russia. well, that's not, that doesn't do ukraine any good. it is a terrible waste of money into the most current,

one of the most corrupt countries in the world, as alex has already pointed out to us here. but this is the facade they have, do not talk about any other problem. it's about this and binary choice, but it's a craving choice on the elites of the west. it who do pursue this war waste money on this war. and if they don't get what they want, i'd really worry about what the lengths that they will go. they blew up a pipeline. what else are they capable of? go ahead. our staffs even about in belgrade. yeah, i mean, ukrainians were always being seen as a disposable material. i'm sorry to stand out by, by nato, by washington for in particular. and it's really tragic to watch that because every mail is a hostage in that country because they cannot go out if they don't have enough money to bribe and then ride that rolls royce that, that are cool talking about. and at the same time, i think that the only winner is the empire. that is, that is falling. so the united states is losing power globally. but what is where

is doing now with this ukranian war is that it is completely submitting europe, especially because most of your amino countries that are in you and in nato and some other as well. so that used to be new neutral through this war. and the, at the end, i think we will end up with the european continent being re colonized reoccupied by the united states. and that is why i think the why i find these words of across, so absurd and, and funny, and in the same time. so that's it, i think in the process, of course the greatest losers are, are ukrainians. and the 2nd grade is losers are and the europeans, especially western europe, especially for france and germany are who's the perception of the, let's say autonomy is completely lost. now. now that, i mean germany was silent,

is it, you'll find out about the, the nor stream. and in the meantime, simon, her shirt came a conspiracy theorist according to the mainstream media, greatest living journalist of his generation, you know, you know, it's always say what happened to him that if they ever say the truth is what happened to him, what happened to him colina colonization re colonization leaders, prime minister and austrian, you'd never seem to believe, certainly everyone was for a while, but it, like i said, it's just extremely frustrating to see this all of europe. and obviously the ukraine is victimized by this fighting and being used as proxies in vassals. absolutely. victimized, obviously, blowing up the nord stream pipeline, hurt our own allies. and you, you think that people would realize that this is something that's, i'm cannibal, that it's going to hurt even the big new brzezinski i realize that entrapping the soviet union in the war in afghanistan was going to help was going to hurt this. so

be it union, that was the whole point of doing that. so it's hard, it's hard though because the media is so controlled and it is what i mean. the problem is the agenda, these people have, they don't solve any problems. in fact, i would say they make more problems and, and avoid pacing the needs and concerns of everyday people that say, oh god, all the time we have, i want to thank my viewers in apple valley belgrade and in cars. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. so you next time, remember ah ah, ah

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