[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the rest of says, washington, the coordinates of the upside couple in the presidential office in moscow. thank you. just following orders from overseas. also on the program, the virginia credit and such as reports explosions, as air raid sirens found across the country. overnights give official said, yes, i saw the most intensive since the stopped for the year and the rest is foreign ministers holding thoughts with indian count spots also to india, host

a summit of the shanghai corporation organization. the coming to you live from us studio here in the russian capital, your watching oxy international might be to scott's here with all the lights as this thursday afternoon. thanks for joining us. russia has said, washington played a role in the drone, attacked on the presidential office of letting it boots in in moscow on wednesday, the currently and said it was card up by ukrainian drones book. you have denied any involvement coming spokesperson demetrius golf also said the key of his following us instructions. the key of and washington's attempts to disavow involvement in the attack are absolutely ridiculous. we are well aware that the decisions about such actions and terrorist attacks are made not in gifts, but in washington and kia does what it is still to do. we know that often the targets are not determined by gifts, but by washington,

and then these targets are outlined to key if so the key of fulfills them. and every time key, if it's given the right to choose the means it's going to be live now in the studio is all these eagerness done? if you go what's, what's the reaction from western officials to this attack on the criminal yesterday? well, absolutely, both washington and the you and of course key they have been faced with some very serious accusations coming from moscow from the kremlin, which cooled the attack on the kremlin. well, nothing less than an assassination attempt at latimer approaches life. so they had to and they really did their best to come out and to give that interpretation of events, but quite similarly with each other, with washington and t of both. they have failed to present a cohesive explanation as to what they believe happened because, for instance, uh the advisor to the ukranian president. uh, but the loud if us, he

a step forward on he blamed this attack on some said force on the said policy saying that those would just sympathizes with the ukrainian regime. and so that's what they, that's what they did in no coordination with key of whatsoever. then he made another statements made another address, and then he changed his tune and he said that it was something different. he said that he was a full flag attack organized by the russian officials themselves. so it's not clear as to what t of really believes. and so far old, all attempts of the key of authorities have been directed and basically just saying, oh, it's not us, it has nothing to do with us. we didn't do anything, i'm not. and then they just for, you know, dishing out, blame, left and right. and the similarily washington did more or less the same 2 separate officials from 2 different departments. they, uh, well they presented completely different versions of offense. completely different

accounts have listen to find the common was find information. you know, you don't want to speculate on the guitar does any signs to believe that the russians are finding a new major any, any you'd be telling me to go over to your colleagues who we are. we know that russian has a history of doing this. they have a history of doing false flag. it is not unusual is incredibly common. i just don't want to speculate at this time, as i said, as we said when it comes to ukraine, which is under daily assaults. and not just it's incredibly courageous military forces. but it citizens, as men, women and children being assaulted on a daily basis by this russian aggression. well, we leave it to ukraine to decide how it's going to defend itself and how it's going to try to get back to the territory. it was quite a bold statements from the whites house. the house restored responded to those

obligations eco. well, of course russia has been well only stepping up its rhetoric in the context of this attack on the kremlin. if on wednesday, when the attack happened over night, they were blaming cube. they were saying it, the drone came from that country. again, they have not said if it was launched, indeed from the ukraine controlled territory, or it was done by a sleeper cell or a terrace cell inside russia. but still they pin the blame on t if. now today they have changed the result changed, but rather escalated it saying that while they still hold to responsible the, the spokesman for the russian president and president mitre bisco. i said that, well, uh russia believes that it was done on washington's or doesn't that, or at least it was pushed to do that. and unable to do that by washington after we're given the extensive amount of support that the ukrainian military has been getting a steady flow of support from the west. from europe, from nato and its allies. i have to say it has been enjoying the abundance of nato

intelligence, so they knew they know they get regular reports where russian ad defense systems are. there have been, there has been a number of documents floating around the open sources, which were detailing for key for the key generals as to where russian at defense has moved, where they are stationary and so. so they have the data, so they were enabled by this, by this information to carry out as an attack into, well, at least trying to avoid rushing at defense systems. so russia has now said that, well, the us as an able to uh, the attack and the russian and bassett a to the united states has also said the, well, the odessa tease called the basic the, any allegations coming from washington. any suggestions that russia could be behind this attack is absolutely preposterous. again, a blessed a of the statements by washington's official representative. so striking in their cynicism and absurdity,

the us did not find it possible to recognize the obvious thing. this was a terrorist action blend by the zalinski regime and then this as a nation attempt targeting the president of the russian federation that these, these, that this act of terrorism was allegedly a false leg operation are blasphemous and deceitful. that is, it was rashid itself, that stage the provocation against the heart of our statehood. how would the americans react if a drone hit the white house, the capital or the pentagon? the answer is obvious, for any politician, as well as for an average citizen, the punishment would be harsh and inevitable. well, russia certainly is. well, the eyes are on russia. the bowl is in russia's court. so 5 rushes response has been strictly in the let me say verbal plane or more diplomatic play, and even without any real repercussions. and any real consequences to those who russia holds accountable for this yet. but during the 1st week of may,

vladimir putin that had been revealed, he was supposed to hold a plan to session with the russian security council. now it's nothing has been announced so far. the, again, the criminal has said that no, nothing extraordinary, but no extraordinary. the session of the russian security council was planned. but given that there had been previously plans for vladimir putin to sit down behind the same table with the members of the russian security council. and given that friday tomorrow is the well the final day of the 1st work week of may. we could see something happen tomorrow and tomorrow something my rushing might agree on some course of action in regards to this will blaze, since attack on the very heart of its capital. who will you? good. thanks for. bring those up to speed with the the continuing to fall off from that drone attacked on the coming. thanks very much. i and that's cost live now to georgia. somebody's senior research fellow of the global policy policy institute of

london judge. good afternoon to you. and what do you, what do you make of the, the on going full outs of this attack and it's been reported in depressed that it could have been a um, a full flag type biography. so what do you think about what it's entirely typical that every time there is an attack of by ukraine on russian territory, immediately the western media go into an operational declaring that this is a russian full swag attack. so when it was the, the assassination of daria, do getting a well, the assassination of a, a, a will blog up the attack on the crime. the a bridge is always a full. so i can think, i mean, and they remember was the that was the case with the north stream. uh, gas pipelines. okay. the russians did it. and it's like, yesterday, nato came up with a statement saying that all of our gas pipelines and i, you know, i'll infrastructure is on the thread from russia, even though russia is the, uh,

the victim of the previous a terrorist attack. so this is entirely to be expected of both the west media have no basis whatsoever to claim that this is a full flag. it's actually the only evidence for it is the ukraine denies involved low cost ukraine's going to deny involvement. how does that show that it was a russian volkswagen that me now? george washington. i was obviously for the sort of condemning the attack saying that ukraine has the right to defend itself as it sees fit. and as you said, you create has did not involvements. and this, um, if i mean, if it does try to spy that this was a ukrainian attack on the kremlin, do you think the west stop to, to a reassess is position when it comes to support of ukraine? you know, it is like so. um because um the west will uh do the usual plausible deniability thing because the united states well knows what exactly the ukrainians

are up to. uh they, they make sure that they, uh, they don't here in advance of any uh, such a ukrainian operations. and in the us, as you had in that the, that, the, the intro with the engine a blinking view is that while it's up to ukraine to make its own decisions, that we, we don't tell you grand what to do. even though, of course, your brain is only own american subsidiary, but the america needs to maintain that pretends to somehow ukraine is an independent ex are. and we, we're not in any position to persuade you. going to do one thing. ready or another of what do you make of the timing of this a time? george on the chrome. and obviously it comes around 6 days or came around 6 days before the the may, the 9th victor, date parade celebrations in moscow. as well as well weeks before they set on fits of aged ukrainian, towns are offensive. do you think the time has important a? yes i do. i, i do think that this was important to do it immediately before may,

9th. ah, that's causing great deal of concern about the security on may the 9th of the something like that could happen on that day. i don't know about the, the ukrainian account progressive. whether that's going to happen now or uh, is that something, you know, if you weeks time, but no question. the effect is, uh, is, is a blow to russia. i mean, it's a blow to rushes prestige um, it's a blow to the russian public and it's done what made it was been quite skilled of doing throughout this. the circle of special military operations is putting russia on the small and respectively saying to the russians, well, what are you going to do about it? what are you going to do? are you ready? are you ready to escalate? are you ready to us going to, even though you know this might lead to level 3? so that was put in russian on the spot. and i think this, this, the same thing happened in the previous incidents, such as the, the blowing up of the gas pipelines, all the assassinations that it costs. and they put

a rush on the small and challenging rusher essentially to escalate what well the has called this a, an assassination attempts on the bus and presidents, even though they've come and did confirm that the president wasn't in the coming in at the time. but it's in his residence at nova, i got the all the i, i'm given the type of the drug and the footage we've seen how much uh, what do you think this is a realistic estimation of sense or more design to sign distance of symbolic statements. you know, i think it's a, it's a symbolic statement. i mean, let's imagine that if there were a drone attack on the white house, um, would we say, well, look, i mean by that wasn't in the white house of the time he was spending is time in delaware. he spent a lot of time in the store in delaware, so it wasn't really an assassination attempt. it's no big deal. the americans wouldn't respond like that. they're packed cuz what i mean, it was like any, a drone is that all the residents of the president is a terrorist attack. it's a whether it's a direct assassination example or not. it is

a terrorist attack and the americans would respond with some fury. they wouldn't go into these legal niceties while he wasn't actually there at the time he was in his home in delaware. no, it's a terrorist attack, and therefore you respond appropriately. what georgia, some of the senior research fellow of the global policy institute of london pleasure is always talking on the program. thanks people damage. i think it will just like you as a showing says that it does not targets russian territories of pro ukrainian sabotage groups. have conducted to multiple attacks in russia since the will be

done is some of the most common incidents to the cleaning capital land officers in the country are thoughts. and so i've seen multiple blasts throughout the nights, including was believed to be against a military academy building high rates sounded in the early hours with officials and key of saying they hadn't witnessed such a scale of attacks since these dots of the yes, all these are on the call, so if has more, the air alerts were announced in major ukrainian cities of t of endo jessa as well as other regions of the country. explosions were reported both in the capital and of the black sea port as well. now, local authorities said that the air defense systems have been deployed. what's the demand is from a local population, not to post any videos or any kind of details to social media. so at this points, there is a very little information about that. however, some messages did managed to get across on the internet. you know this as

a strike against the military academy was reported though, at this point. so there is still no official confirmation. now air alert sounded for about 3 and a half hours in key of and for over 5 hours in northern regions of ukraine. apart from t of and odessa, explosions were also recorded in the city homes that are rogia, which is currently held by vicky every she now russian defense ministry has yet to comment on the overnight strikes against ukrainian administered targets. they could, however, i have to do with the response against wednesdays drawn, swipe on the kremlin itself. and the just reminds are russia has reserved the right through the age in any way that it deems it necessary unless ukraine is giving it to become a member of nato, the hon. gary and deputy paul them and speak a said the alliance showed only approve keeps

a bid if russia endorses it will let us cross live now to the home gary in deputy paul them and speaker dora darrow pleasure to have you on our see today door 0 thanks very much for joining us now. your remark about the possibility of the ukraine joining nato only with moscow's approval was certainly interesting. what was your thinking behind it? you thank you for just pushing or anything it yes to my party. and we believe that the accession of ukraine to a need to close the is it in a huge stretch through the international security and via and it difficult only happen without the risk of further escalation. if both the usa and restaurants reach an agreement on this issue, of course in agreement and must be made, which would mean the end of the horde and who would clarify or the dispute with these questions. we should make it clear that the most important issue is to re

gain beast, which should have priority. but ukraine, so for sure, sir. so king about such as suited to these as the immunization of russia. this is going not going to happen. so we have to take kids reality into account restaurant is if you would jump higher on the board there. so if you were to see on union and the need to and east we are the main after the divorce as well. so. so what do you think the chances off of must go ever giving the green light to ukraine's need? so membership, they would seem extremely small, which of course, the scenario seems unlikely now. and as most of the sciences believe that they can win disorder, and the rest of the best, sophia and ukraine's thoughts are the sea has not happened so far on the because so the, the inverse then military supplies. so we can have to assess ukraine that's running

defendant to act or back in, in religion and practice. you can talk to the proxy war between the usa and the restaurant. unfortunately, and i must say that you will be at the euro subordinate. it's a own interest to us in chest and do you can kind of see the reality. see. so the fema is long way. oh and the u. s. policy is not half being able to bring ask you and you closer. so just staying with the topic of nate, so how do you assess the chances of ukraine ever actually becoming a member of the alliance? is because of the facility due few king joining me to, to be out of the question is absolutely certain. that's my party. and that is, that's my philosophy when it comes to who is via the jack piece,

initiate steve. and furthermore, as long as ukraine's borders are disputed and then on cross link, these ongoing need those own provisions who are out there in joining your ukraine. who does natal? but even if this folks that who is going to be moved in, we would still not be able to support the enlarge when it, because mandatory the parents asked for a sense of being violated in ukraine. reach these so totally unacceptable are for us on t a t ukrainian governments. he moves time here. yeah. and when you ment, flags and tests and then the use of the hungarian language in everyday life, including education and the public administration. and the 3rd arrived these, their lead there, something hon. galion community. trust the car. back to you,

our varsity cannot see any chance of supporting ukraine's expression to any international. okay. which in theory, do you think that nato membership would make ukraine safer or raise the risk of, of the serious conflicts that the risk of the board was spreading? is the great test that facing 0 to day. and as i see that the, the natal membership a few claim, it would be in the next step to a new career for we don't understand why a re issue addressed could the security of hungry and hugo for one of the most corrupt dysfunction which states in the, it's a state id that so press these beats going minorities, it is a priority for hungary to stay out of this war and,

and the conflicting media to me if the price of the piece is that's you, thing has to be for the 30 tories read restaurant speaking people who want to belong to a restaurant need, it must be accepted. you create made just to be. so the negotiating paper. you said now do you think she, if has addressed hungry is consent? he is, the does not seem indifferent internally to him with the 1st concerns by the ukrainian leadership is reluctant to guarantee even the most basie to the minority. nice to have gave us remain the instructions at the under my new or b as in ukraine, and even change tori's doing their existing rights, especially in their area to language use. keeps on to my notice the measures have clearly 20 booty to for working the board. they said the support of the usa, and for them it's not important. it let's do it in the or situation of the hon.

gary and minority ease and, and the absolute soon as meet the standards of the u. s. and the e u a r t. and this makes it, they have 40 c in a distributed, and hum, gillian sherman rights wash the n g o for the national lead, good defense surveys that have officer and documented the regulation. so can gary asked right? leaving sup costs for sup carports in are now, in many is cases that the increase the page long report, it came to the conclusion of ukraine severely violating the rights of in the janice tongue gear. he is living in step car frontier, both in a guy, dave, f, nick, my notice 2 nights and the person on camino right now. finally, i just want to get your thoughts on one last thing door. if i may, installed some back set and the statements, that's all members of the nato alliance must accept that ukraine's future is within

the military block. now, where does that leave member states who have the own different opinions to that? i need to raise the military and political alliance with the concepts that's making decision making. so if there is a really strong pressure strong to lead there. so the alliance, the member states has their own it in opinion and they have, has to give, they approve it in the who appropriate it the subordination of to you to be in, in just to us being fast. it is not the only money for steve in the mail to back those. so in the e u for to natalie. yes, 0 is now losing restaurants as one of its most important exports markets and one of the most reliable suppliers. so it's, it's cheap energy and your materials redone with rich. it's competitive messing

with my kids via visa, run me damaged it. these certainly cannot be euros in chest, so it is connected, you caressing keys. me did it, and an afternoon was 0 pm position. that does not subordinate the excess to us thing says. so the primary interest of a usual ease beast, bringing the boarding parties to the negotiating paper and reaching an agreement. well, dora durham, gary a deputy parliament speak. i sign very much for finding the time to speak to us today on nazi and share your thoughts with us on the situation and ukraine. thank you. thank you for the opportunity. russian. a foreign minister said gala ralph has held by lots of thoughts with his indian counts spots and go with us at the summits of the shanghai cooperation organization. according to the russian foreign ministry,

the diplomatic discuss regional and global issues and have agreed to continue on a cost of global multi polarity. sees india correspondence from dish. all that has more. the right shells top diplomats, so he loved rav 4. children go off only this morning, round of 7 am local time. i'm ever since that he's had a follow back. said he was all we just saw, the wish was fall off both the foreign ministers of india and russia allowed grove auto for as j shown car all talk to each other all also they have a number of bile actuals that are lined up to the d officer, the so level also is going to be meeting his chinese counter falls, a chain gang and also which he's also going to be meeting his focus on the counterpart of soul. so it really is in that sense of 5 be a lead through in the night there will be a gall out. do you know, are all hosted by in the all for all the foreign ministers who are you are not as far as india is concerned. i'll for the is your sancho who is the foreign affairs

minister of india again, apollo, fact the he just met with the last 12 and of course this meeting explain the significance in the back golf ties between the 2 countries are not still stuck. a tie based on sweet see, for example, but it was so cultural and all the wise know off to these. so the form in is through india also is expected to meet with his chinese come to boss. again, it's going to be a significant meeting there considering of that to both the countries that have friction going on, and this old going fiction over the east. some love doc issue. now whether or not the indian side in the box is sony will need, will there, will there be a buy lab? so we'll have between the 2 countries that remains on, on said extremely unlikely is what have been given to understand. but again, very, very significant considering this is also 12 years out of pocket. sony foreign minister has come down to in the base of course,

on the the s c o umbrella. and when you look at the of the, the field, the show and guy cooperation organization, it constitutes the only 40 percent of the total was all population was around 30 percent of the total of global g d b. also that's how follow. so the book is so any and every leaving that is happening here in go are right behind me of causing sort of golf is going to be really, really important. today, of course is v for biological as i pointed out. so, but tomorrow is going to be the mean, not the mean d, where all the visa, foreign ministers for me,