it happened saul from my home, but the noise was so loud that all my window should come in nearby marie and k. u. sometimes he had gone shots, but i never saw that a tax would affect us. my gold. there was nothing here. all the factors that was standing are completely destroyed. facility is nothing had been built and now i have resumes destroyed 20 minutes late. so there was a loud explosion. 2 more shells had blown up somewhere. they didn't reach us, but we could hear them. there were no words describe what happens. it wasn't not mad. no for what? for money. how can savanski sing? the people will want to live in ukraine now off today he was shot and killed everybody. it's a beat to how many of the men died. so many young people investigators are now working on the scene, trying to determine what it was exactly that struck this civilian area overnight. now, judging from the remains of the show right here, this could potentially be a shell from a multiple launch rockets system. maybe in the united states called fly morse,

to door to door, which is law on the 4th of may had 2 o'clock in the morning. the result of the district of donuts city was far deported by you korean forces, supposedly using an natal style multiple launch were all consistent fragments. samples were collected of the seed and will be transferred for further examination by investigating the authorities at the moment, the outskirts of them that are still under fire. as the civilians are fighting in bomb shelters from on cost river, hard to the nest for public or without so wrapped for this hour and that's all from me. pizza scouts puts off, sees nick aaron will be here in the hot seats in just around 30 minutes. time to bring you all the latest as we head into this evening. this thursday. thanks very much for what the who when i would show the wrong

just don't you have to say power and engagement equals the trails. when so many find themselves will depart. we choose to look for common ground. the what truly motivates nato, isn't strategic interested in jail, political positioning, or is a heidi ology and a pathological hatred of russia. i will let the viewers decide, but one thing is certain. the alliance has split its very existence on the line. you can take that to the bank, the hello, i'm a know a chan. you are tuned into a modus operandi. it's no secret that the us is the number one manufacturer and

supplier of arms all around the world. hasn't gone contracts spring and billions of dollars annually to continue brutal wars by allied nations. nobody. that's an eye at these facts. but when the proliferation of these arms safe into the black market, the u. s. calls that a problem. this week we'll examine the lords of war and black market arms. all right, let's get into the m o the what's the difference between the pentagon and a black market arms traffic or some lights say nothing really, given the end result is the same death and destruction. but they'll tell you that the former is done legally, and on the books that there are accounted for. and those arms are for noble wars or

causes maybe just protection or deterrence. in fact, a more accurate comparison might be the c i a versus arms dealers. like say, convicted and now freed dealer victor boat. because when you really think about it, given the c, i as long as sort of ugly history of farming and surgeons within the countries, the us deans anatomy, america's top spike agency, is responsible for the proliferation of more often books, transfers of arms around the world than any one traffic are, let's be clear about something. i am not promoting illegal arms trafficking in any way, shape or form. but we can't pretend the black market arms dealers or mafias or crime syndicates are the source of these arms. that dubious title belongs to the u. s military industrial complex who break in hundreds of billions of dollars, year after year, and a foreign policy of aggression, the benefits from continuing to

r any and all conflicts around the world. now to discuss this complex web of arms trafficking will bring in someone who has seen just how all this stuff works. first hand dr. field jerome b is a retired c, a case officer and executive director of the council for the national interest. so thank you for joining us. so 1st, according to a 2017 report by rand europe concerning how small arms proliferate into the you, it says the us appears to be the most common source country for arms that are for sale on the dark web. they say 60 percent of fire arms listings are associated with products that originated out of the us. are we to assume that the sales are by individual sellers or is there perhaps a criminal enterprise associated with some of these, such as like the mob or mafia is organized crime, things like that? well, i would say it's probably

a combination of both. it's very easy to buy weapons in the united states in most states here in virginia, for example, if i wanted to go buy a military style, so called assault rifle, i could walk into town right now, and within 30 minutes have it. um yeah, these weapons of course can be to our military views. they can be taken and modified to fire or full automatic a by any goldsmith and are readily available. there are more weapons of this type in the united states alone. then there are americans. so you can see we're talking about $300.00 plus 1000000 of these weapons floating around. and there are certainly organizations that are both criminal and that serve other purposes, political purposes, perhaps in some cases that have easy access to these weapons. and if you're talking

about getting that meant through your, um, there are a lot of ways to get things in new york. the most of the eastern european borders are somewhat porous. and also europe is around to buy a lot of water. if you can get a 1000000 and a half immigrants in smuggle into europe, you can certainly get a webpage and into europe too. and that's what we're seeing. and for obvious reasons, it's difficult to get concrete numbers on just how much money is brought through black market arms sales or the dark web. the latter is estimated to generate around a $100000.00 a month and just fire arms sales. but compared to the d o d sales numbers that are reported by the state department, those numbers are peanuts, according to the state department, for an military sales are approximately $55000000000.00 annually. along with the direct commercial sales under the bureau of political, military affairs,

the directorate of defense trade controls, they improve approximately a $115000000000.00 a year in direct sales to for an allies and partners. and we're talking heavy military hardware like patriot missile batteries, javelin r, p g 's, and so forth. now with the net result is the same. death and destruction. what's the difference between conflicts around the world being armed by traffickers or the d o d, a? well, actually they're, they're a lot of subtle differences show we say the deal with the weapons. once, interestingly enough, those numbers that you just provided. these are the known sales. these are sales that are approved by the us government. and uh, basically uh or done by the us government. and once these weapons are in the hands of a ukrainian or in the junction, uh, or a combination of,

of the people these weapons could go anywhere. and uh, this is the real danger that i think they were missing here is that there are a lot of criminal sales or non ethical sales. how ethical i would describe as sales that are sold worth and sold to a foreign country for their own defense, that sort of thing. or at least that's the justification. but the fact is, there are many other possibilities in terms of weapons being you know, sent to places like of pakistan where they are distributed in central asia. i think of all of the weapons that want up in the hands of the libyan government. that which we then over through and these weapons want all over africa and are still making trouble now. and look in syria, syria, we have a militia groups that are, are allied with the us star given access to these weapons. and i'm sure that this

does not appear in any official report that your i would be allowed to read and up . and these weapons basically wind up in various places including in turkey, which is and they go out. so there's a, there's a, another statement, and these numbers, i think the numbers that actually relate to weapons, dispersions, dispersed souls around the world to various groups, to various countries, to various individuals is much, much bigger than that. these numbers would suggest, you know, what about the role of the c i a in army various groups around the world, for example, in latin america during the 1980s. certainly some of those arms proliferated beyond the groups that the us initially armed or intended or more recently under obama, the botched fast and furious scheme. could any of these c i a issued arms have contributed to armed conflicts we're seeing today. oh,

i think there's no question of that. obviously you can go back as far as the, the us attempt to get rushing out our best cabbage them in which a number of terrorist groups including all kind of were on trade and further equipped these weapons. some of them are still floating around this, this produces a whole chain of, of, of disasters. i had up in my own personal experience when i was just on bull. i was involved in a wrong contra. i don't know if you remember that, but it was a scheme to sell weapons to the radiance. this is post revolutionary, right. and the money coming from this was the, it was like hitting money was be, which was going to be kicked back to support the countries in the crop. and this was illegal to sell the weapons to uranium. and it was illegal to be doing this with the cartridge, but we were doing it anyway. now i was

a c r c i officer on the ground, arranging for the flight that we're going back and forth with the weapons in the money. and the are ready and leaders, and this was all done under orders for the national security council at that time. so a lot of the stuff that is, is credited to the see how you're unsure of the c i as the resources to do these things. but they do these things under orders of the national security council, which is indeed the radar of the president. right field or all the is staying with us more of a fill in just the 2nd coming up next finders keepers what happens when the us a band and a war effort and leaves behind billions of dollars in military hardware and weapons . we'll discuss it when we return sit tight, the m o will be right back. 2 the

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welcome back to the ammo. i'm manila chan filled urology, a retired c i a case officer has gracious list. graciously stuck around to talk more about the proliferation of us arms around the world. so felt, let's examine that hasty departure by the us military from afghanistan. we had an entire base, their complete with chin, not helicopters, m raps, transport vehicles, another very expensive, valuable military hardware. those are all now in the hands of the taliban, who the us state department labels a tara group. now in similar instances when the us leaves a conflict, so in, or they say ends a war or military equipment, just sort of the spoils of war and it's finders keepers what happens with all of that stuff. well, uh precisely is in the case of,

of can understand if there is no kind of uh, withdrawal that we surely and save the equipment. it's just been a bad indicator of gather stat. they knew this was coming and they still didn't take steps to remove a lot of the equipment because they felt, hey, it was more expensive to remove it that believe it. and that is a kind of stupid judgment. but you know, that's what the disadvantaged ration was into. they were confused about what was happening and where i would go. and so now the taliban have the weapons and the weapons probably all over the place that are going to, well we will regard as terrorist or some verse of groups and the sources of discharge with a weapon that could be accurate. because a lot of the weapons were in the hands of the half dan army, which was believed to be under control and monitored and so and so forth. but that was a bit of affection. and so a lot of these, the soldiers uh,

when did you and i did say celeste, they just kind of dropped their weapons where they were and they went home. so i would assume a lot of these weapons have already gotten into the hands of people who we would prefer not to have these weapons. so it's a, it's, it's kind of a problem with us foreign policy in general that they can't, the, can't seem to figure out what's coming up next week. and this is a manifestation of indeed war lords, proliferate. now, presently the u. s. has been arming ukraine to continue what many call a proxy war with russia to a, to well, north of a $100000000000.00 artillery shells, guns, mid range, missiles, air defense systems, and so on. this is all in the 1st year of conflict. now to contrast the u. s. spent around $83000000000.00 to train an arm,

but now failed after on forces between the year 2001 till the fall of cobble in 2021. we had an inner poll your oregon stock said this to the guardian regarding the massive amount of arms now going in to ukraine. he said, quote, we can expect an influx of weapons in europe and beyond. we should be alarmed and we have to expect these weapons to be traffic not only to neighboring countries but to other continents. ringback make of his remarks a well, it says interesting comment and i would refer you to the recent development center in ukraine where we had the resignation of a senior spokesman of zaleski is government. and we also had that uh, unfortunate uh helicopter crash. uh, there are sources that are saying right now that these people involved in this were

all connected with stealing the weapons coming in and proliferating. so this is going on already turning this into cache. and this suspicion is that one of them, or some of them went too far, and there is a bit of a tit for tat going on in terms of the people who are involved with this process. so i think that's an interesting theory. and there is some evidence for it. and um, also, you know, we're talking about a ton of money either in, in the credits in cash and that sort of thing. and also with the weapons which are fully functionable, you could sell them anywhere. you could get a good price for them anywhere. and, you know, this is the kind of thing that i, i believe the comment that you're quoting girl was saying, look, these weapons are going to, a lot of that, we're going to just cut loose. and once they're loose, the borders and used to your r permeable, and uh, once you get them out of your up,

there are all kinds of people in asia, africa, latin america, quite willing to meet you halfway. do well, take them off your hatch. the problem is that once you sell a weapon or give a weapon or give it to a government or you give it to a group or you give it to an organization. so many different, this is, this is a used to joke about how oil and stuff like that are, are fungible commodities, well weapons refundable quantities to they have serial numbers and it's pretty obvious where they're made. but that doesn't mean that you know where that weapon isn't any point, or who's using it. once it's out of your hands, it's a, it is free to go. weapons are fungible commodities, absolutely. now, according to slippery be stock home international peace research institute in 2020, they said the official global arms sales weren't valued, at least at

a $112000000000.00 in that year alone. data for many places like this, including official us numbers, it would appear. the us is responsible for arming much of the world. some uh, 40 percent of global arms sales comes from the d. o. d and distance 2nd place for russia coming in at about 27 percent of all the sales. is it then fair to say that the us is responsible for much of the bloodshed around the world that the official sales also end up in black market traffic in the yeah, absolutely. i don't think there's a question about it. as i say, you can sell the, you can sell a 1000 machine guns to a very reputable buyer, representing a government or something like that. but next week you don't know where those weapons are going to be. and, and, and the fact is, the united states has, by far the biggest military equipment industry or military industrial complex is generally referred to,

which produces all of this stuff. so it's no surprise that most of the weapons that are floating around in the world are american mate. and i would, i would also add to the stock home, the suggestion of, of the amount of money that is involved in this. i would say you should double that if you were to take it to the account, the black market, you might even wanna triple and last fil, is there anything else you think our international viewers should know about the proliferation of arms, perhaps in their own country. as well, i think the, the issue becomes one of the uh, let's not let the people know what we're doing. and i think that's a general rule of what goes on every every um, major western european country um, has an honest industry. and the purpose of an ours industry is to show up its

and in those countries, if you're a citizen of, of italy or france or germany or britain, you cannot buy a weapon. so all of this stuff is basically made to supply your own military and your own military. but on the other hand, the rest of this stuff is got to be sold to make this a commercially viable. so you have a new built hypocrisy in both contradict you right here, which is the fact that, you know, the citizens of sure, probably not allowed to have weapons. but these weapons are being produced by other countries to be sold to other people elsewhere. who can buy them to use? so this is a bit ridiculous. dr. phil geraldo retired c r, a case officer and executive director of the council for the national interest. thank you so much for sharing your insights. so as you can see,

whether it's officials from government selling the arms or individual traffickers, there is a very fine line that separates the 2. but when your number one export is weapons of mass destruction, you become the raining lords of war. or that's going to do it for this week's episode of modus operandi the show that dig deep into foreign policy. i'm your host manila. chad. thank you for tuning and we'll see you again next week to figure out the m o the what day on friday. just the collaboration class to get what is the best timing on the identify them. this is and the purpose of it fits and as it doesn't have to be complicated to community news,

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