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hello and welcome to cross talk. what are all things are considered on peter level? what truly motivates and nato isn't strategic interested in geo political positioning, or is it id ology in a pathological hatred of russia? i will let the viewers decide, but one thing is certainly, the alliance has put its very existence on the line. you can take that to the bank, [000:00:00;00] the processing nato's war. i'm joined by my guess, daniel mcadams, in lake jackson. he is the executive director of the wrong poll institute for peace and prosperity in orange county. we have craig prospect do likes to use an election integrity expert and co hosts of a and wake up and the convo couch. and in pers, ontario, we crossed the randy hiller, he is a former elected representative of the ontario legislature of 15 years hard. tell

me, costs are close and the fact that music and happening time you want, and i always appreciate, daniel i, i'm sure you came across the, the visit of the nato secretary general salton brought to cam 1st time since the complex started um and just banging the drums what ukraine will become a member of the alliance, but he seems to be oblivious what has happened in the last 14 months or so, or what brought this conflict about in the 1st place? because as i said in my introduction, i mean either you talk geo politics or you talk gaiety, all g c, he prefers the always default to by the all a g. and that's why this conflict cannot be easily resolved. because one side is thinking about geo political interest and another is on a for lack of a better word. a whole more daniel. you know peter, i got a little bit worried about stilton berg, the other day when he was there. i've been some, i thought he might have been turned by putting because he was adopting pollutants, talking points. if you heard him on the 20th, he said this where did not start less. february. this war started in 2014,

and nato has been arming and equipment. ukraine since then, and training them for this war. it's a, literally what the president puts and said, or has been saying for quite some time. so i don't know if he's been charged or what's going on, but more seriously. you know, he's funny. admitting the truth, this is a, this is a holy war that nato and for lack of better terms. i mean, it's members, the us, the neo cons. the obama administration has wanted for years and years and they've been preparing it for years and years. we know from a former chancellor uncle in merkel that they had no intention of following mints. they use it as a way to strength and ukraine's army insulted brooks. i've been in care of you now . they're stronger than they were in 2014. that was the intent, it was a war of choice by nature, not by russia. well, me kind of getting a bit into the, you know, we have such diverse information coming out right now. i don't know how much stop you put into these pentagon leaks. i really don't punch and put much into because i

can't read them. why should i believe the media when they lied to you about despite everything here. but then you have a lot of reporting coming out of political, another outlets. i'm very dubious up here. but the, by the administration seems to be hesitating on what a victory or what, who prevail and how ukraine will prevail. it's, it's very, very murky. now this all could be part of the, the game plan of just confusing people here. but you have still december, you know, we owe you credit will become a member of nato, and then you know, well, well maybe the ukrainian defensive will not start for another few months. let me, i, it's intentionally modeled, i don't know, craig, i don't know if it's necessarily intentionally modeled. i think there are some signs that are, we're really pointing towards an entities conflict. those leaks to me told me one thing specifically that is really single unit and that's the fact that the west has no confidence in ukraine. mounting any type of push or effort moving forward. in fact, some of the money has been a little bit less that they're sending over there right now. uh, insulting bird going over there, signaling nato. but the biggest thing for me,

peter, was uh samantha powers in key of a signaling to corporations. hey, that it's time to start getting in line and getting on in here. i think we're going to see an end to this conflict. i gotta see, the west start pivoting towards taiwan. that's my personal opinion because i think they do want to usher in this kind of 4th industrial revolution and turnkey up into one of those technocratic states. so everything we're seeing and my personal opinion is a signal just for that. yeah, well, it's very interesting. i and i, you know, of course we are having a fire sale in, in ukraine now selling off all of their assets. something the west old rushing to do in the 19 ninety's. we all know what happened there. again, you know, just squeezing every, every possible value out of the country. 100 buying did a good job in the early years after the cool, randy, me, i find these things you know, line up and invested in in ukraine. i think this is fantasy. i think this is unicorn thinking because i'd pre personal, i suppose is that there is going to be

a ukraine. this is a, this is a question right now. okay. because if the west isn't interested in any kind of negotiations, why should the russians be, randy? well, this is the literally the nasal proxy war against russia. he's the factory and we're seeing that it leads to altering and there's a lot of theatre going on right now for the pre emptive damage control. ringback in the whole ukraine war, or especially military operation, there's a, you know, this is added fundamental, a war and economic war by people spirited by the states and with full support of needle. you know, there's, they need to keep their optics up. they need to keep their cedar up. they need to keep people motivated and mobilized. well, the,

the proxy war falters. you know, we're not sure what it's gonna look like nobody by that doesn't care of anybody loses money and the new grand, the americans already lost as so many billions in there. so it will, this is a true an economic war to deprives russia and, and i would say the breaks a lines of their economic security and retain the american domination in and they're not willing to get rid of the brandy, the more they pursue this line. the more it backfires on them, we look at the brakes now and purchase power parity. i mean they, they, the brakes are not out stripping the g 7. okay. but it's, it's always negative returns here. it's daniel, i'm going to go to daniel daniel, one of the things with snow birds visit bothering me is the escalation ladder and

they get what they want. nato is going to have to commit itself full fledge troops on the ground. ok, and we already have the crazy polls seem to be well and tearing for it. okay. i mean, i'm very worried about this escalation, because that nate, the, if nato is going to get what it wants, and i don't know what part of ukraine will become natal eventually if ever, i mean, that's the next step up and that's what makes it very, very dangerous, daniel? yeah, i think history record the sort of pivotal turning point. strangely enough, there's one are sort of underlined, went to china to election the chinese about what the rest of policy should be. absolutely. promptly. and they promptly put her in the civilian line at the airport and forced her to, i don't know, go through a pat down or something. i mean, that is the real, that is the reality. and that is a lesson for adults and berg, and whoever follows him. now, let's not forget, he seemed to be gone. so all of his fears, rhetoric really is trying to add to his resume for his next job. but i think that's, that's the world. that's the new world saying to the old word i the,

on the elected bureaucrats who think they actually are in charge of something your time is over. and i think the other point aside from ursula will be when salt and berg was in kias. and he said to ukraine, your places in nato, and heal gary and probably mr. victor or bon retreated at st. watch in the point, the point being who would like to do stilton berg. this is an alliance of member countries. you're, you're an employee of us. and i think that's a pivot point. i think silverberg doesn't realize that a recognize that neither is splintering. the pay is want to go for it, then go for if they have a fantasy about resurrecting some $16.00 since 15th 17th century. kingdom code for i think germany is splitting the east is turning away from the greens in a big way. you're seeing a lot of changes, i think happening is going to be a real wake up call. well, you know, great, i'm glad that daniel mentioned this here because it's more and more obvious, you know, with, with facebook of censoring, seymour hersh are partially so, mean, this isn't

a lead to project this. this complex has always been in the lead project. you know, how many, how many demonstrations you say where people are marching for ukraine. i mean, they might march against russia, but you know, if this is an elite agenda that's in there, war and they're not feeling the consequences. the rest of us do, craig? yeah, i just, you know, peter, i get it and but i just so i guess i feel that everything has changed since the coven 19 pandemic. and so many things have been ushered in. i mean, we all have to remember that despite all the differences between nato and, and the russians, and the chinese and the bricks, countries that all of them have agreed to sign onto digital digital passports at the, at the g 20. so there is some type of technocratic bond of sorts, and i do honestly believe that you have is going to splinter off and split off. i think the russians will accept some sort of ceasefire. they seem to be the most level headed here anyways, and they'll be fine taking on the dom boss and crimea, and then cube will eventually become one of those months santo, nestle, digital countries. and that's why i think that so many things are changed that this

isn't just the regular conventional warfare. this is something new because for me personally, i don't think the, the americans could be that stupid and just constantly from money at a situation and just just deal with any type of results that come up. i think there's an ultimate plan behind the scenes that a lot of us don't know about. we're waiting to see, and we're seeing a lot of signals of that. well, i don't know because they did it for over 20 years in afghanistan. okay. i mean, i look at, i look at that like your, your point about this next stage evolution a stage i technology i think is really important here. but randy, the, all these things are a grist. ok. i mean that with me even there's even been able to reports that over $400000000.00 in diesel fuel that had been stolen by the zalinski became you know, it's randy, they did that in the data and somebody figured this product out and the just, that's part of it to ukraine. go ahead. randy as well. this is the, the crease been non functional for some time. it's been corrupt for

a long time. there's, you know, going back to you earlier point to, you know, need hold in the americans. we don't have the stomach for to put boots on the ground, we prefer it out to do our more economically or the americans do. and they just don't have the stomach to put boots on the ground anymore. they're willing to the sacrifice you raise your greens and if the polls want to jump in as well, that they're happy with that. but there is not going to be much left. i think at the end of the day, you cray, it for all intents and purposes will be back to is what it really is in geographical area, something like value grain or that canadian for i had. and also that i wouldn't point out the, it's fast, we'd be coming if it hasn't already become a failed state it without western funding, it is a failed. say gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here and we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break,

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your opinion, union, obviously, nato here. and it's really interesting, if you look in germany, germany is probably change the most because, you know, we had new york to europe and old europe. well, germany is joining the new europe. okay. under the auspices of the greens, it's really quite remarkable. and that is the fundamental change here is because it, even when this conflict comes to an end, it'd be the, the nightmare that watson is always had about the special relationship between russia and germany. that's over because the energy relationship is over. daniel to yes, completely been severed. i ever had reconciled leave with a couple of uh, with that. what was that boat called, you know, when a couple of, uh, sailors went out and blew up the, the pipeline. oh yeah, it was the, as it was, the ss minnow it was gilligan's island. yeah. thats but those guys. yeah. but yeah, i mean, it's going to be a bad angle for germans and for germany, when they wake up and realize, you know, they blew it all in a slot machine in vegas, you know, the entire economy,

the powerhouse of europe is gone. and it's interesting that use the word new europe . uh, you know what, i think the new europe is being led by hungry to be quite honest because they all die and i love, i go, yeah, i agree with you, but you're obviously exciting and for very different reasons. but i think that is the new way of a new way that will cult somehow prevail in europe. sorry to interrupt, keep going down. you know? no, you're absolutely right because it's a loaded term. and i mean, it just into pure a sense, the new europe is a europe that comes to terms with its relationship with russia. now for who is historic reasons hungry is not pro russia. it's not as rob of the anti rush as poland has been. but they've had some problems in history with russia, but they've had to learn how to deal with both sides and other rushes, rebuilding the nuclear power plants and hungry. very important for energy agrees, buying oil, it's not signing on with russia. it's trying to find a way between the 2. i think that's the future and i think the next domino default may be france, but i think more likely may be germany. you're going to see the greens fall apart

is going to see the coalition fall apart. i'm not an expert on german politics, but just looking at the polls, there's going to be a shift and it has to come from there. think about, think about what a blow it's going to be to germany when they wake up and realize that they're essentially a 3rd world country. okay. yeah, but you're absolutely right in craig, you've already brought it up, you know, and i, i try not to force the issue, but i mean a coven. and i'm not talking about the, the, the virus i'm talking about, of state craft in, in controlling populations here. as i said in the 1st part of the program, this isn't a lead to agenda of advice and at least the agenda as well. okay. and i really worry about who worries and censorship. all of these things that we knew was it was a dry run with coby is not, can be used for anything. it's being used for ukraine now. craig. yeah. and it's going to be used even more dramatically or drastically. we should say, when the cdc's kick in the central bank, digital currencies, and it seems to be a big push for that. i mean, at the end of the day,

that's what i thought this whole conflict was always about. i couldn't understand why, you know, the united states would, you know, push up a proxy word against the russians and then also trying to sell this, the american public that ukraine could win. that's at the end of the day, me, it's about regime change. and russia was never about regime change in russia. i think we're starting to see what it was really about. and yes, these are things that are the, make us quite nervous because the control mechanism is there. and it seems that even though we've had this crazy proxy work, go on, a lot of these leads have been able to consolidate their power through major corporate corporations and technology grabbing ahold of everything. well, you know, there's that, i think is part of it here. but randy, i think when you look at the, the, the imbeciles that are running american foreign policies and their lackeys in, in, in brussels here. really the, in their approach is, you know, this is our last chance the prints are coming up. china is coming up after it goes ignoring it, is our big last stance of finish off the roof skews,

and then take on the chinese. i think that that's really and better if you look at the crew is running the shop. now they were in the obama administration. remember the crew of 2014 for them. this is just unfinished business. randy, i think do the reason unfinished business. i think it is connected with the, with coal would and see these ease and then there's a number of elements to it. i would say obviously the tickets in, by taking google got more brain power than the people running the show. we in washington. absolutely. a, anybody could us seen how to avoid this if there was, had been any desire to avoid it, but you know, the american for the americans. this is an economic battles in my opinion. but i think for what i see here uh from the russians, this is also a 80 show fully cold, full war. absolutely. yeah. yeah. so that's the way that it is. it is not,

you know, literally and wife they, they're still believed in the extracting resources in actually building producing products using the energy, which is all the ideas that go to, to what we are doing in the west. what we're promoting in the west and everything from family values raised over to contractions. this is a whole tool war for russia in a meal. so i can now i'm a domination by the stage. and then there's all these other elements thrown in there that are contributing factors such as coal with the authoritarian measures adopted by the west in the progression to the digital ideas and to see the scenes. it's randy, i am so glad you brought that up cuz i don't like to sound like a broken record, but i'm going to go to daniel and i'm going to sound like i'm pretty good factor that. um and this is a, a cultural social complex as well. because rush, it presents itself as

a unique model for its own people. it doesn't want to export it. it just, you know, this is what we do here, but it is. so it is the alternative, you know, hum, gary. and so, you know, as a conservative country, we have a lot in common with the we have shared values with this is something that we have, you know, the walk stairs in the west. no, you can to, this is an abberation, we must destroy it. see the way the west and phrases, everything, frames, everything is everything is ex essential. it's like be or not to be. what was the world got along for a long time? not thinking that way, daniel. and i think the russians very well recognize the moral implosion of the united states. you know, united states our values, at least those that are presented to us by the least seem to be our ability to castrate young boys into raising or the next generation of unix into also to create a female shooters who believes that the, the empire, the us empire is failing and it will say they pick them because they're low hanging fruit. they don't have a lot of money or power, but it's to warn the rest of us. that means you peter and myself,

that anything you say anywhere, if it doesn't go along with the body and restrictions position, you can face 10 years in prison. it's. it's showing chilling thought, especially for me sitting here in the united states. yeah. well, yeah, you guys are heroes. okay, i don't have to worry about it physically, but every time i go on to on the twitter, i get death threats, you know, but you know, if you know, it's because of my views. oh, but that's okay. okay. it is the, the double standards of hypocrisy is so calling and very, very disturbing. craig, i mean, also you know, with this is that you, you likely bring up a technological part of it and there's a financial part of it here. i have to, to. 2 you in this really surprises people, but i hope the sanction stay forever because i want russians to get away from the toxic west. if it's the finance it's culture get away from it. okay. because there's, there's nothing good coming from there. they learned a lot of less than 2008 and because of that they've been able to fair pretty well

since then. go ahead in orange county. well, i mean i, i can see why you would want to say that, you know, but at the end of the day we keep on looking for the trap doors here. you know, at the, at the end of the day whether it be rush or whether it be china, whether be the west, everybody seems to be moving towards that technocratic kind of change where they want more control, you know, see the caesar a thing that's coming into the, you know, the digital you want has been yeah. introduce. so even though we can see this is a battle versus, you know, your raise your versus oceana. what is the trap door? we're waiting on. we're talking about you, i must go over here a lot. you know, on twitter, the way he see used to be trolling a lot of the fight of the ministration people and all the whole toward a warriors of swords. but where does he come from? you know, he was a defense contractor. you know, he had customize the darpa, so i think a lot of us are so even though we can see this kind of moving in a certain direction, we're starting to wonder why he's behind those tribe doors. and even though we might like the separation between the east and the west, what is really waiting for us on the other side?

that's the question. yeah. i but yeah, you know, if you, we, we talk about globalization that's, you know, but for our entire generation, that was a big of a tag word for everyone. but i think that the globalization is, we've understood it is come to an end. you'll never going to be separate, go globalization, maybe with the same trap doors and you're saying nice, i'm not going to disagree and you obviously know more about it than i do. but randy, there is a real separation going on. the there's, there's the attempt to isolate russia and it at the end as i so late in the west. that's what we've learned from this randy certainly, but we all know we've known since the early times that sanctions can only harm the one who plays immunizations. that's uh, you know, now it was a to get away with that when the american dollar was question really the only comment that we are a courtesy, but the russia, china brooks house have put a nail in that coffin, pretty solidly. and you know,

but what we can see, you know, when i was a young man, we always knew who was a good guys and the bad guys were going out. and what i would say is that the, and we've seen this with the twitter files, how the american military has been infiltrating media. social media beat almost has done a great job revealing this, the americans, the west kind of, we have continued to portray russia as the old ussr. but we have adopted the practices and policies as of the former ussr and, and now still say that we are the good guys. we're, we're involved heavily in censorship. we're waging both economic and military, where against others. we are the stabilizing countries around the world. and it's not going to end well for us. um and you know, so you might say,

i think worship might want to allow this ages to continue and keep away from the west for the in till we figure out what we want to be. all this, i think that in, in this case it will be new to all. it could be generations, gentlemen, generations, it's all the time we have a want to thank my guessing, like jackson, orange county and in perth. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t. see you next time to remember prospect rules, the victory for russia solutions. when you're done with

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