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death this winter because they don't have enough to eat nato nation media blames russia for making the year on. yes, the vision in the global south was while massive corporations in west and all the gods promote the use of money making technology to solve the most basic problems facing humanity into connected with climate change. i guess today is a world renowned environment list attacks in nature, nations, the new yorker called or demagogue. but who is risk to life, to educate the world about the my line power of life capitalism. she's the one who has 20 books including a latest terra viva. my life and a bio diversity of movement and a journey from atomic sciences to feel as fights of a natural seeds is chronicled in the new film, the seeds of under the shiva. the food is over. when you started real weapons to control out.

when you control the food, you control society. but when you control a seat, you control, it's like industrial farming is the single biggest destructive force on the planet today. the water against the begins in the minds of men. and i mean, this is one of the most prominent lots of us in the world. man, this is a lot of yours is just didn't that destroys funding? that was one of the pioneers you started the global see movement. phoning intellectual property rights on speech is an attempt at the gym and you can watch the seeds of on the machine now and one of the she, the movie dot com, but now the legendary veteran of

w t. o. seattle. 1999 in calculus battle since dr. the, she joins me from there. i don't in india, thank you so much of the for coming back on the show before i even get to the amazing documentary, i really think everyone should want you to understand more about you rather than just talking to different conferences gives a different type of perspective i have to really begin because this here is the 38 that of us read of the bo paula. that does aust build is one of the largest, maybe the largest industrial disaster in history. why do you think it's so emblematic of all your fights and struggles and work on uh on how capitalism manifest itself and it's war in the book will be in the book on disaster because the goal is by api political genocide brings together the fact that development in the 3rd world,

is the introduction of toxics and boys, as they should be opposed to in the seventy's from union carbide, carbide as a hand. and in the future, forming a beaker of a red liquid over a farm, applying his speed. and it literally became the, you know, the base of the bar houses die because the pesticides conflict and till that time, as they used to say the idea of the other or just the best, the sites is totally false. name a beautiful tree was bushes gold as on the left, which is what it scientific name is either direct. uh, because uh, i found it on the date of the football disaster. know mobile bonds listed on to me because we have saved phones and they say g. then 10 years later, let me is batch and to then 5 to and 11 is i for the case against the u. s.

government and the large. ready a company that is join, she has the patent on pesticides properties of me. so we have a couple of superstitious rerecord event and our knowledge was taken and bobo was totally avoidable if the non wild fonts and frankly gotcha, that was all thoughtful thousands of years, had not been interrupted by the green revolution by talk 6 and chemicals. introduce in the name of development. we want to get onto all those uh, themes to an extent when it goes, as you know, union carbide. as was in a bay, there was an advocate settlement. i know the 600000 are effected. some campaign is say that 120000 continued to suffer to this day, maybe 50. no one really knows how many died, but they were very clear. i know it's been taken over by dow chemical. dow jones, the 1980 full gas leak. and bobo was a terrible tragedy, which understandably continues to have

a strong emotions even 20 years later. but up in the wake of the gas released union carbide corporation. and then chairman warren edison, what diligently to provide aid to the victims and set up a post. as all the claims arising out of the release was settled years ago at the expense of direction and approval of the supreme court of india. why do you keep going on about it? if, if it's still so important that i suppose the morning anderson ran away and there's enough for records about his escaping from india. second, that settlement brought about a $100.00 to each person which was nothing. to cover the costs, definitely the nothing to cover the supply. you talked about union call by having the most my job. but doubts has been has most of the do font and you pond and all have a beautiful name today call to buy. so you and miller recognize and connected to do

an income by new research and showing how union carbide which pretends to have existed, india actually keeps existing to shuttle companies. so the amazing investigative journalist following up the policies and savvy every 2nd and 3rd of december in go above the marches against the continued crime, a guest moved on and the continued injustice. there was no justice delivered by call by to date. but we invite the chief executive of court, a variety representative from these newly changed named companies with relationships to the bobo dissolves, which they denied. and of course, they deny any connex. it's the past they might, they might say. but um, what about, well, a geo political realignment, because i did mentioned the indian supreme court and i know that a b as in the film in a very emotional moment in the film raised, forgot to personally. but on the supreme court level, they agreed to this, that them and back then about bobo. could things change again?

could india know to act so much as a vassal of state to washington, which was a long suspected when it came to that settlement and start to exert some kind of sovereign power against us multi nationals given realignments between china and russia and all the rest of it the, the one's been going on this. yeah. as you know, even of the time when the supreme court is rudy, it doesn't the basis of a totally big for ya complain by the state. they represented all the victims as barons betcha. the being was a veteran, and they could represent all the victims, the victim said, you're not allowed of people to die, of those cases. told them to continue. so i do hope that a new jurisprudence of courage of compassion really much once again, because often rolling into the land of them being pulled down the line of non

violence and compassion. and we should use every level of justice to bring compassion to the full. but is there any change can that'd be a change given the supreme court made that judgement years ago. it's already done business. oh what i'm do, you know, they all of these new situations which to the for example, all you know, i'm a big, ashton does well, maybe legal that just raise 16 today. the supreme court is here in that case, and i think the government show us the reason why you didn't give us the pool that there was reason behind it. so, you know, it takes one judge of conscience. it takes one new trigger that connects another tragedy to papa. and of course, these cases can come back. well, as i said, all subsequent companies, denial liability and relate to what you 1st said to be in this interview. the soils of india may have been destroyed by a union carbide back then. but according to you,

this oil is being destroyed every single day across the global south. how exactly do you tie up? this incredible network of u. n. agencies will be going to make for, and the i'm asking you multinational corporations, all these different interconnected elements, are somehow connected to that. so such a basic thing on life. one of the soil as well, you know i was my head was all in quantum theory, atomic physics. that's what i was 10 and it was into 1984 the year of the hope of disaster but also the year of the punjab disaster. when pauses of people died in new widens that i was compelled to work for the united nations university to study what was the green revolution? where did it begin? why are we using chemicals? why are we destroying the song? so i did the book while as the green,

the pollution for the united nations university, and i found it all, every time it goes up to the, the ancestors, all the chemicals. oh, it does gemini, i g 5 and the american partners. you know, while i was living forth between the nazis and the allies, the companies were working together to use fossil fuel and finance to make chemical stand. it always broke the road. the finance and the fossil fuels, germany brought the chemical expertise and that expertise to go into the chemical industry, which i call the boys in contact because the names change so frequently it's impossible to keep up with their names. but one thing that has stayed to out from the thirty's to now is the manufacture boys. and they claim that it is necessary to good food. why other sol as across the time? because the process of making nitrogen personalizes to bloody fossil fuels at high temperature to fix that mistake,

nitrogen is the same process that made explosives. when you apply on your nitrate to the solely euriah to the solid or living organisms, assorted di sewing is living. it's fungi back to you. uh, 12 is what creates the facility and create light in the saw him. this talk substance stops to kill life, the saw it. so increase this up on the one hand, but it's so inefficient. only 10 percent is used by plants, 90 percent runs of as pollution, water of dead zones in the ocean with even more seriously during the climate discussions. the silence on life is upside. hides the issue of not should push slices in contribution to the climate disaster. one kilogram of nitrogen personalized so use this to me, does the diesel, it mix carbon dioxide plus nitrous oxide, which is $300.00 times more damage to the kind of been carbon dioxide and they have

time to change that makes it worse and the side those the vicious cycle, oh, is there to pick ation of the interesting that you might have such a bad time? sure. that the same crop has to be to typically use this 10 times more water than the crops contribution don't kind of key. so now i'm just not this case element on the left on the kind of walters was that is what design or punjab has been absolutely designated and the red rate industrialized countries, the leg so disappear exhibits that disappearing. so all the multiple types of this, the face today, the green revolution, industrial, agriculture based on fossil fuels and fossil fuel chemicals is of the root of the shaver. i'll stop you there. more from the world renowned environmental this after this break,

the hi, i'm receptive and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new show . seriously. why watch something that's so different. little opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please, or do the have the state department c i a weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. change and whatever you do. don't marshall state main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called direction, but again, you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the wayne state the welcome back to going out of the garden. i'm still here with that, the globalization pioneer, the shiva. of course john list will cover what happened in bun job as me of the ethnic strife. and that's

a conflict of point very well made in the field. obviously, the rockefellers, a foundation would say, yeah, that was long ago. the nazi links to these companies historically, whether it be that or ford, for instance, you know, during the, these links the endurable that we should ignore them at these are the company's sponsored angle, the climate conferences. they, us once during the green revolution. this one's doing everything, and in fact, when it comes to what you said about fertilizer, of course, be the greatest uh, uh, freelance real capitalist uh, bill gates, uh, the founder of a pen to get in contract. uh microsoft. he said in stark contrast to what you're saying, i, i've never been shy about my passion for fertilizer. it's a magical innovation that is responsible for saving millions of lives from hunger and lifting millions more at the poverty by boosting agricultural productivity. i'm not saying he has something to do with the silence on nitrous oxide i. he has a lot to do with the science and microsoft saying, because in his book,

dealing with atlantic catastrophe, you standing in front of the 1st legs apache saying i love fertilizer. and i'm happy of that. i know someone who can be made copy of my uria in boston for july's obviously doesn't know the life of the song. he doesn't know how promise code to the living. so i to grow for the multiple attempts. so as the trilogy, the moya, for production and the modem, you've just, you know, food. so the size on the personalizes is quite clearly driven by, on the one hand, the fertilize the industry itself. and during this period, where the price is happening in personalize, the price is a charge up. what is the 4 or 5 companies that make money? those companies then is the be in the funds. the asset management finds the backdrops, the bank that mr. gate directly. as

a boss now for the, you know, the alliance of the green revolution in africa was a join july as a broker, villa and, and mr. gates. so it just the visa started things on the past. second, in my books on the edit history of didn't reductionism, you know, it was real casela which find that all the research on eugenics on finding the molecule was of determinism, in life. and that is what shape the reduction as biology that they gave us deduction is genetic engineering. they haven't bought out of this issue most important. boeing just before the glass full of summit, rockefeller with new york stock exchange now. so they will now go creating assets that you ask the companies that they will not own nature as a financial,

as this is going on in the cost of climate is going on in the pump of identity is going on in every full and food security call we are witnessing the find naturalization of nature, and through the financial aid station, a new extracted us, which creates magic. i've seen the really economy, the lives of dine, the saw is dying. the climate is the stabilize. now we will, but on wall street and the kind of collapse we created in 2008 would be nothing. we will no manufacture a full housing, trillion dollar economy, which we will control in a pick to just week. so yeah, let's stop the game. continuing it just the spills chain, the 5 mitsubishi, with the logic of the tentative and control of a lie, is what guides every aspect, overall feller, gates and the ballistics up, well you being saying that they have a malign influence. of course, there is an entire class in a dire lead class involving the alliance for the green revolution. and so many

others who disagree. i have to say that given there, uh, these are lead. so obviously they can afford organic in wisdom countries, organic food, or it's any labeled organic food. um, to get away from the for devices and pesticides, the very rich is can. how does the, how does it affect us inside as if we don't teach organic food? because there's one mention of it in the film very briefly. what, what is the micro biome, and what are all these different companies? will these agencies, what it, what are they? what do they mean for actually what's going on inside us? they obviously deny any wrongdoing. and saying, all that they are doing is basic be part of that green revolution which started decades ago in fed, uh, 1000000000 people that would otherwise have stuff to death as well. it is also effective. that wouldn't be a 1000000000 people hungry to date. and the funny

a honda was for addict, it was mean for example, to the british colonialism, extracting super suppressors party by trinity and from india. and in the process you create a honda environment. and this is all because the structure of this plan including the 5, but how the was our agriculture produces who cannot eat the food they grow because they bring commodities at high cost. there's lots of boy. so they're just selling everything the group just to be back. yes to these that the issue of how this this was from of how we have meet the think of food begins with treating agriculture as an external input system just to put left to look at what goes in it is treated as production separate from totally separate from i have and then i hope is the only the big problem using on diseases when you

manufacture. so take the fact that buyer, which now i bought with central, says bly proceed. cancer and the w h. o has said, like we'll see, does it cost you much? that's bad. that is bad. your up. now, often, many coal cases up for certain periods the band is slowly this to, to be taking it and they have been having banded 40. but the same company then brings you a bunch of discounts that drug, that's a fine bias high in india to try and strike down on those that prevent this time to for not be but what size is showing and what people, you know, typically is hold folders i mention i am a though i'm not sure about the food is that medicine food is limited to now. new science and your research showing us the biodiversity of the sewing micro biome, which freaks the launch the vital chemicals and richness,

the feeds of got to micro biome which is a 100 trillion fellow beings with the only 10 percent of us. the live streaming barge of us is the got to micro biome, and the good to micro biome is so sensitive. all those microbes, new unit, different food. so we have to each diversity. they have sensors that can test the top 6. they can test uniformity, which is another issue this new faithful based on gm will. so yeah, which has moved with his bread into everything. but by the time the monitoring hips, i've got it's an attack and we get challenges. we have all kinds of problems. so they've got to micro mind as opposed to then we must tend to be take therapy and we get only take therapy by taking care of the 1st outside in the sun and then the hops again and again in the film. as you progress in your journey to where you are now, you question uh

a things and connections and interconnections. but why do you think that the doctors are routinely a nature countries treating at every minorities 3 kansas specialist who given all the clinics in cities, part of the industrial method written about in the press of pocket of suicides because of debt and kansas because of pesticides is against a clean that leaves but job and it's not because okay, but likely pregnancy is high then it was under the british. no, it's not. that's a bigger on people. young children of boeing and discounts of trained children not getting cancer. it is not just the old people, i mean, you know, why do i take up the film shows of many steps which i took on the challenge and addressed it to things create outreach of me on necessary home to the up and on this revise and speaking with beans, bobo was the wireless to be both been job was about viruses, to people and boys for the up. and they, i asked the question,

why do we do it this way? why response and i've went through the structure and then of course i can't live with the why lives and, and then i just as a kid, i must find been online and fox. so my journey has just been a deeper and deeper and deeper journey. and on bottoms deeper and deeper journey to project by diversity on every step. i was looking for the towards the end of different things, but being much behind every disaster the much so the dimensions of the muslims. res, based on the islands against climb, advisors skins by this, these species extension. you know, of course in 6 will disappear if insecticides unleashed by the most you clause will disappear if you want to use life was a meant to fill everything green as long sandra used to say in the convention eating. so everything green green is the solution to life. one up

a telecom design to just build degree is already equal sign. as i know the film shows how your assistant change your life. and albert einstein changed and changed your life. as i said, private capitalist inevitably control the main sources of information. it's almost impossible for individual citizens to, to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of political rights. do you think that they may be very different from country to country, from content to come to the information the war is being lost? the amount of lobby journalism i was surprised to hear you. i suppose maybe maybe your friends would not be surprised to hear that you were on the personal attack. i know in the, in the film it shows your life was threatened any way, but you're on the bus to attack from magazines like to new york or whatever. do you think what you're saying can be transmitted in media publications, in massively profitable markets in western europe, in the united states?

well, you know, for me what matt does is that it's transmitted and, you know, i can say this much just yesterday. ready a young just from newsline released the book and when she was off, what inspired you through this book? and she says, funding that she was writings on the green evolution, by sure a young people over the place they didn't get it from social media. actually read books and they could do that. so there's a king group, it concerns a group of citizens who are very a week and are looking every way they can define be honest as of the month of the prices because the name of the heavy machinery and it's so repetition utilize, can even predict what will be said because of the food they're discussing is premium was in germany, and now buyers in germany should see all these they on the beach to attack and attack and attacks. so they don't come down and just let me know. but i did signs

because science means to know the to just to you know, to know it's knowledge. that's my fashion. knowledge is my passion. and just because by many page the money that michael specters and the month light is right, trash pieces, you know, i'm going to give up my passion for seeking answers on how to protect life. and i would go to that the she with thank you. and that's it for the show. remember, you can watch the seeds of under this, even though in front of us, even movie, don't come movie back next week with another brand new episode. but until then, you can still keep in touch by all social media, or if it's of the sense that in your country, you can always heads up a child going on. the run tv on rumbled com to watch new and old episodes. going undergrad supervisor,

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