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. here in the us, i've interviewed for us. presidents founded a $1000000.00 business believe know, should be honest, direct and impactful, and this is direct impact. the so i want to talk about something today that let's just say really hits home because, you know, as it happens, i was one of the 1st persons to believe so much in the power of twitter as a democratizing force. but i actually included it in, in my newscast, i did this, i just started one day on my laptop. i took it out like this and told people, check it out. just reach out to be on twitter. tell me what you think of this newscast as i was doing the news and they talk to me during commercials. look, don't take my word for it. is a newly released book out. the book says, so the book is called uncovered by steve crack. our who says

this about me in his book, he says a lot about me. he says rick sanchez, former cnn anchor, told me that what is happening now is really horrible. he makes his comparison to what it was like when i started twitter. and it makes us want to question, says crack our, whether, whether the news that we're getting is really news today. words being influenced by some higher power. exactly. by the way, the new york times also wrote about my pioneering twitter at the time and solely then p r i back here, i am using twitter while i was doing the news when i was back on the. busy cnn, still the toner board, we go and see it goes a little shows in today by our intrepid staff. not me. oh, it's all about all the way to go. alley. for clarifying working people are not a special interest. tired of part, us and hacks. and i start with that,

and i want to see that only the dump tail into the dichotomy of what twitter was compared to what twitter has become. is a corner of the latest revelations that a national controversy known as the twitter files installment of the twitter files has been released this time dealing. how do detailing have several government agencies interacted with the platform? and that's how you'd be saying, quote, the file show the f b i acting as door man to a vast program of social media surveillance, and censorship and compensation agencies across the federal government from the state department to the panic onto the c. i a 300000000 people, use twitter worldwide, and many considered in the hub for communication for news, for entertainment. however, these days, it's taking a bit of a beginning, specifically because of the twitter files. so what are the twitter files that you

may have heard about? okay, it is a massive data leak of quitters internal documents revealed by a hacker group that's called the impact team. these documents stay with me. they give us an inside look at the stuff about twitter that we never knew. how do we algorithms really work? their policies, the procedures, their biases, the link included more than $1700.00 files. it really is a, it's like a peak right into our twitter operates behind the scenes. for example, what do they do with your data? when you get on twitter, what do they do with you? well, one of the things i say in this report is that twitter monitors direct messages and then shares their users location you. if you're in there putting in a direct message with 3rd party advertisers a so much for your privacy, right?

that's how they make money. at the expense of your privacy, that's what a file is also reveals that twitter promoted users that had a lot of followers even if what they had to say was neither relevant nor engaging. said the matter, as long as you've got a lot of followers you, they're going to put you up. somebody who's a genius who has something to say, that's important. they're not. so what is it? it's more of a popularity contest, right? that's part of what the twitter files is apparently revealing. what else? well twitter try to tackle hate speech. good. but then comes the question of what is hate? who's i hate or who gets to the side? did they share how they came up with that with us? these like documents have raised concerns about twitters commitment to free speech data protection, and it's algorithmic biases. but maybe the real question is the one that we have to ask ourselves, why would we think this is almost primordial right? why?

why do we think that a publicly traded company that is there only to make money? would really give a quote about fairness or balance or even truth for that matter. that's kind of about what they're there to do. by the way, the twitter files are not a one shot deal. it's a series of reports that are released by journal. this map tie a be a cover or a series of events that twitter chose to moderate among the stories the twitter act at least suppressed or controlled the 100 by the laptop ground diversity. for example, the donald trump cancellation from twitter, the january 6th storming of the capitol is also an installment the twitter files that deals with how some users are shadow band. and yet another on how the us military st. com to use as twitter, to run online, influence campaigns in other countries. and joining us now to talk about this

is demari thomas. he's a video host. his show is called fault lines. i've been on a couple of times as a matter of fact. and. busy actually being here, i'm glad to be here. this is important. it is important. yeah. and also, and by the way, just i want to go on the record with you as saying that i really, really like leaks. yeah. you know, i don't understand how we're living in a time when the people who criticize leaks the most. our journalists, super weird. we find where we should live for leaks was in general. is right. i mean the for my, how do you know what your government is doing? what brace elements of society is doing without knowing what's going on behind the scenes? this is the julia massage thing. right? exactly. i keep seeing the story is where the amazon b c's of the world and the new york times of the world and the see and ends of the world, the fox news of the world. all of them think the, the corporate media are angry when they see

a report that gives citizens new information. they didn't know about their government. right. and they take the side of the government. it's something weird you would think that media would be more inclined to, you know, we want this information. we want to know what goes on behind the scenes. we want to know how to sausages basically made. and it was very weird. i mean, even with this on stuff, they covered the stuff and then somewhere along the way, it was like this guy for leasing information about the state secrets and all of that stuff. how do you know what your government is doing? as you can see behind the st. exactly. so let's get to the twitter files. i know we, we come, came minute through the back door up here today. but, but if it's another case of somebody doing breakthrough reporting. yes. where we have an opportunity to see as you say, how the sausage is really made, right. what twitter really does that we didn't know about. yes. and what we've learned is that they have, if, if nothing else a very, what was the relationship with our government and maybe even part of our internal community? that is to put it mildly. i mean,

a lot of people have suspicions about twitter. so for media and everything is going to behind the scenes, especially with the reaction when most bought it. i mean, if you notice everybody was an uproar, is like, well wait a minute, this is just the, so for maybe a company, why all these people freaking out and, you know, with the release of the, to developmental ab schellenberg, or i'm barry wice. all it makes it very clear that yeah, they were freaking out because that was the incestuous relationship i think was where do you pointed to that? basically you ended up with the situation where these guys were having meetings with intel on information to either disclose information to keep people shuttle ban content meant by the way, was it bad contact, meaning the stuff was approved, but just to just select the fact that the stuff would be exposed, so there are some of the parts to this, right? let's, let's try and get through this before we get on the subject of the push back that the media and the government seems to be laying on people like matt, tie a be because one a hell of a good journalist. and it doesn't deserve to be talked about the way they're talking about it, but we'll get to that. uh, the 1st part i guess is

a big tech and of itself. we've always thought that big tech twitter i was one of the pioneers of actually usage of twitter i believe, and twitter i thought twitter was going to help us democratize our society. instead, it's now being partial doubt corporations by government. and i think what the story showed is that the government has access to twitter and can shop things down where the rest of us can't right. now they will probably argue what we just suggested. but, you know, if the government is telling you, hey, we don't particularly like this information or this information, that's what this information is going on by the russians. well, of course is putting a pressure on the people to do one thing or the other. it's kind of like mainstream either like radio or tv or any other medium you get, you need to control how information is being processed of the public itself, waiting, waiting to dictate, well, even if we can't necessarily control entirely, we need at the very least crowded in certain areas to prevent it from going to places, we don't necessarily want people to find out. so somebody in the government can

shut down information before it gets to me or even after it's out there. um, as they've done. yeah. then it's not free flow of information by definition, by definition, right? i mean, look at this point. so now i understand, by the way, if it's something that is you know, of, you know, state secrets, uh you know, the code to the nuclear ballgame and that something like that i would say, okay, you know, national security and stuff, real national security. it's definitely not about not information about we found out that our government is planning to the bottom. somebody. no, no, i want to know. yeah, i want to know if you got about mexico or singapore or whoever the hell you got about. well, there's also classification there. would they things they would call national security that isn't necessarily national security that's. that's why i think we need to realize in this country that our social media is become my comments. like normally somebody will go up to dfcs, last streaming on a podium with some to that effect way beyond that point, we are at the point where if you mean something to say, what is youtube, facebook? so any of the social media is the way that people accommodate information for one and explain it in another case. and so the same way that you may have influence on

television, what influence on radio and this point you need to have this kind of influence. and so for media itself, because that's what people are getting. the main part of the story from a lot of like a lot of the story that i read that was revealed by these folks who hacked the information from twitter and, and i know the word hack me. so i might argue with sensitive apparently, apparently mister musk right. cooperated with it eventually and said look here's the information i want you to have. you hit them up and you just okay. yeah, exactly. yeah, yeah. so, so that's still good journalism. it's not like somebody handed them something. um, i guess one of the big arguments was the cold id. uh, the way they treated the convent story, right. what, what is your take on that? so one of the self, right? reality institute or some to that effect, but basically what they ended up with was the government was trying to keep information on certain if national cove it's going to particular up there was a huge amount of push back on vaccines mass, all of that stuff. and so people were going after or let's say certain

organizations were go out the door and say, hey, we don't like this particular formation. we don't like that information didn't matter whether it was true, but it isn't getting been like, let's say the direction that the information you know is one of those like for the sake of mankind that far the safety of the world. exactly. you can't report that because it's going to make people then think, yeah, that they shouldn't be vaccinated and etc, etc. but even it was pro. so they would say here, real vaccine effects on the side effects. now, of course, even like as a medical professionals that have met the vaccine, they have certain effects, but overall it was better, etc. well, in their case, it was like a, we shouldn't be the schools that we don't. we don't want that information out because people are going to use this information in order to take it into particular right to go and get into the government we're using to try to be able to cope it later on. okay. yeah, we should use best fix it, but we didn't try and fix it. we pull in the media going after people let like matt tie a b. so mr. ty ebby while we're on, the air has been texting me. oh, and i'm going to share when we come back, what matt is saying. so i want you to react to mats comment,

so stay there. we're going to come back. by the way i have broadcast. we're i, as a journalist, as a latino, as an entrepreneur, i tell my story, i share with you what i've learned my successes, my screw ups, a lot of those. it's called the research because podcasts and. busy you to check it out and i will see you there when we come back more on twitter. as i mentioned, people like matt, tell you the are being assailed. right. sale the good word choice. good. we're assailed and we're, we're going to visit that with comments from tobii, who just texted the moments ago. stay right there, the the

so welcome back. i'm rick sanchez. it seems to me that more more of what we read, what we are even allowed to have access to is controlled, probably more than it ever has been. right. and here's what i mean. you see, it's not just for twitter. when you google a story, the number of sources that you're allowed to read to get insight or context is

limited to a collection of filter new sites. for example, you will get the cable carriers, you'll get a whatever see, and i don't want you to hear from us. do you mean that works from top newspapers? and maybe maybe i'll get a sprinkling of some independent news or something. busy and papers, or outlets like the guardian and maybe the bbc, which is really not that much different from cnn. so if you really want a different perspective, one that is not filtered or controlled by bigger entities. good luck. good luck. so that means that controlled information flow is not just a twitter problem. so it's kind of a everywhere problem. so we're back with jamal thomas and he's talking twitter, twitter files to be exact, can, can i share something with you? absolutely. look what i just got a little while ago. this is uh uh, you know, tv uh knows that we've been talking about this. he and i started up

a conversation and he's getting, like i said earlier, really. 2 mean attacked, a sale this yeah. on the m s. nbc, the media. busy and, and so here's what he just wrote to me today. so why don't we politicians politics? he was in colorado. right? yeah. they say all of a sudden they say, i'm a republican and i'm not, i'm a political independent. i have a long history of criticizing both party. it's my belief among other things, based on what i've seen in the twitter files. this is matt thought you'd be texting me this morning. he says, of the democrats are far more dangerous and more organized on this speech. issue than republicans, but that doesn't make me a republican. you'll note that i'm not being allowed to make that case on the air. he's right with minutes on use of the it'd be with the fun that's on attack. basically came into the interview, going after him to even sit on a subset. this is going to be like a root canal. he was wrong, but he wouldn't listen to what you just said. here's one of the best. i think one of the finest reporters that we have in the united states,

and that's how you'd be nominal, a phenomenal germany, a real journalist, detail do. and they're attacking it is the weirdest thing in the world. he gets information to present some information. this is what your government is doing on so what, so for me to make you have intelligent services, working with social media behind the scenes in a way that you don't know anything about. and i'm exposing isn't that like how, how you expose this, derek? so they're taking sides of the government been so that's what sort of government pretty much a bad thing is you shouldn't expose this particular makes what seems ridiculous to me, which goes back to how we started the interview. what i said, i love leaks. yeah. and i can't believe a journalist or angry when people leak information that there's, that's what you were supposed to though. apparently they don't look it treatment broken, people's brains. honest. right? right. it's the most bizarre thing. what else i seymour hersh was with me here where you're sitting right now recently and he said the same thing. yeah. well he said, i mean it's just, they've been gone crazy. it's almost as if they looked at it as we need to protect buying in order to defend, to gets something else sort. trump is very bizarre. here's the other thing. and

again, matt thought you'd be responding to me this morning. he says, the idea that i work for a mosque is infuriated, infuriating to afford to pronounce that. it's because english is my 2nd language. so yeah, i didn't hear his exact quote, but i clearly don't work for most key rides. rick, as recent as events prove and which hassan in his it, if he had any on or in any ethics, would be compelled to admit publicly now, i just very publicly stood up to a long on this exact question. so again, i could go on, but uh, this is matt, ty, it'd be responding to the accusation that he's just, uh, you know, of carrying water for you on months and this is nonsense. i mean the guy was the let, the a match. i was more so on the less, i mean, what do you this, i probably saw a part of and that's i left the i think any journal is worth it. solve has just as much left as he does, right? because we're supposed to go at it on truth. it's not like i'm not here to represent the republican party run a democratic party, right?

called journalism. i guess this point is i am just giving it to you straight with. this is another thing that i'm taking sides on. yeah. so you may have an issue with a sense of shipping and i think he's right. the democrats a more that, i mean, that's what they were coming up with a ministry of truth. and then they were shocked that the public freaked out about them some level of coverage as they will coming up with its own twitter like tv it . whether that's right it, whatever that is, they need a way to parralis information and wait, it doesn't damage their particular point of view. so crowding twitter or getting influence in the social media companies is way to do it, especially from a for a policy standpoint. we can do you think, you know, i'm kind of solutions guy. yeah. i would love to see um, you know, some sober minds come together on the left, on the right, in the government, outside of the government, and come up with a way to make me trust a twitter a gap, right? maybe even, you know, the new york times it can. yeah. maybe even i'm as nbc or fox or c. m. m a guy. yeah. it has that. she has failed. i think from the american public,

when you look at that, how the public deals media. yes, i mean, maybe as many possible, i mean the issue is credibility. everything is when, what for 5 years screaming that the pool or a truck over the finish line. you're gonna problems with that. unfortunately of them will investigate or scream and about what does the manufacturing are gonna problems with that meaning one story after the next. next they just credit themselves and it seems always this credit in a certain direction for government. those are a bizarre at both sides. yeah, both, i mean, you know what you're going to get if you turn on fox news, your know exactly what you're going to get and you know what you're gonna get ahead of that in mind is the devil and obama is the devil. right? right. and, you know, and they may be, who knows, you know, but then when you're drawing them as soon as you find out, no, no, no, no, no, no. what cottle is the downright and trump is the devil. and the fact of the matter is it's of heightened um you know, uh exaggerated conversation. yeah. that doesn't tell you new information. it just wants you to stay there. yeah. and they want to tell you what you already know

about it. like doesn't, didn't work at all. i mean, usually it's very black and white. so it was like, joe biden is the greatest president in my lifetime is really, really, you know, is it under cutting reality then a way or donald trump is completely innocent of x away. it's let me, let me interrupt you for a minute before we run out of time and talk about something where i think we, you know, you said a little while ago the ship a sail. yeah. here's where i think the ship has really sailed and may not be retrievable. mm hm. uh the idea that they can use these must mathematic algorithms, right? to know exactly what they need to say to me and not say to me. so it's, it's, it's literally using technology and science to program my brain. right. and that is what is going on in our world today. that is, that scares the hell out of that is terrifying. you're basically taking what was a propaganda vague, a turn to get into almost like a sites in a weird way and using social media and then twitter does that. yeah, of course,

sort of another way twitter falls found out that it's even worse than what we thought. well yeah, that's a sell it. of course, i mean look at facebook, cambridge analytical and the way the facebook was operating or even the test the paperwork was running to see whether or not they can influence the move in the behaviors of people on that. so for media platforms don't use it. when it gets to the point when the algorithms control it, that means the algorithms know exactly what you like. they know exactly what you don't like. yes. even though the nuances, the little some data points, he says they're going to attack that every single day. yeah. once we get to that point, the only thing that we can do to protect ourselves from twitter is to shut it down . but also i was a software engineer for years like a decade. and yeah, there's all sorts of information that we can glean from it. and make models associated with how, let's say the engage a particular person who wants to particular thing, how to find out how much income this. but if a person had bought, may not have come up with all sorts of database that has 6, what they all time. right? right. but they don't to apply the kind of apply because you have all of the information also for me to that point. you know, their points of, you know, their opinions even what so what tomorrow, what chance do we have against that?

which as my mother, my, my, my sister, my brother, a guy, my brother's a copy. what does that solve all day long? that's all he does right then he finally gets on to be with his kids. he doesn't have time to do a 1000000 checks on this stuff. he's going to believe whatever they put on there because their, their, their, their preaching is story and what they think is a story. and they're probably right then. and also people have the ability to, to man, to bring narrow flights of what they want to hear. so if i want to listen to the options, i can listen fox and they can tell me how great i am all day. same thing with them as of this. yeah, i don't see. i wish i did, but they don't see a solution. but i do, you know what i do see a great guess. thanks. ok. thanks man. up. really, really enjoy the conversation and i think it's an important conversation that we need to have. oh it is. it's a real one. yeah. yeah. okay. well listen, before we go, i want to remind you of something. our mission, you know, simple really? um i wanna do silo the world with the show. we've got to stop living in the little boxes right? to stop living boxes, truces everywhere. how much address are we looking for?

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