a friend the us, i've interviewed for us presidents the day that let's just say really hits home because you know, as a twitter, as a democratizing force that i actually included like this and told people, check it out, we shall to be on the book says, so the book is called on credentials, former cnn anchor told me that what is happening there, whether, whether the news that we're getting is really news today. my pioneering twitter at the time and some of them are still the twitter board. we go and see it goes a little shows into the interest, tired of part us and hacks. the com is the corner of the latest revelations of the national controversy not deal detailing. has several government agencies interacted with the platform, censorship and compensation agencies across the federal government filed

a many considered in the hub for communication, specifically because of the twitter files of quitters internal documents. they give us an inside look at the stuff about twitter that we never knew concluded more than 1700 files. it really your data. when you get on twitter, what do they do with you? when you, if you're in there putting in a direct method with 3rd party ad at the expense of your privacy, that's what a file is also reveals that twitter matter. as long as you've got a lot of followers you, they're going to put you up. somebody who's a genius or files is apparently revealing. what else? well, it's to the side. did they share how they came up with that with us as well? maybe the real question is the, the one that we have to ask and company that is there only to make money. what to do? by the way, the twitter files are not a what's that twitter chose to moderate among the stories,

the donald trump cancellation from twitter, the january 6th storming about another on how the u. s. military, st. com. joining us now to talk about this is demari thomas. he's a video host. this is important. it is important. yeah. and also, and by the way, i don't understand how we're living in a task journal is right. i mean the information, how do you know stories where uh the amazon b c's of the world and the new york time angry then they see it's also just basically made. and it was very what i mean, even with this on stuff, they covered the stuff and then somewhere along the way, it was like this guy for leasing information about the state secrets and all of that stuff. how do you know what your government is doing? if you can see behind the st. exactly. so let's get to the twitter files. i know we, we kind of came in through the back door over there today. but, but if it's another case of somebody doing breakthrough or reporting yes, where we have an opportunity to see as you say, how the sausage is really made, right. what twitter really does that we didn't know about. yes. and what we've

learned is that they have, if, if nothing else, a very cozy relationship with our government and maybe even part of our intel community, that is to put it mildly, i mean, a lot of people have suspicions about twitter. so for media and everything that's going on behind the scenes, especially with the reaction with us. but i mean if you notice everybody has an upper or it's like, well wait a minute, this is just the. so for media company, why all these people freaking out? and you know, with the release of the sort of files and that's how you be schellenberg or i'm barry wice. all, it makes it very clear that yeah, they were freaking out because that was the incestuous relationship. i think it was where do you between the 2 that basically you ended up with the situation where these guys were having meetings with intel on information to keep the disclosed information to keep people shuttled, ban content meant by the way, was it bad? contact meaning and stuff was true, but just to just like the fact that the stuff will be exposed. so there are some of the part, let's do this, right. let's, let's try and get through this before we get on the subject of the push back me

that the media and the government seems to be laying on people like matt, tie a be because one a hell of a good journalist and it doesn't deserve to be talked about the way they're talking about it, but we'll get to that. uh, the 1st part i guess is a big tech. yeah. and of itself. we've always thought that big tech twitter i was one of the pioneers of fuel usage of twitter. i believe in twitter, i thought twitter was going to help us democratize our society. instead, it's now being partial about corporations by government. and i think what this story showed is that the government has access to twitter and can shop things down where the rest of us can't right. now they will probably argue what we just suggested. but you know, if the government is telling you, hey, we don't particularly like this information or this information, that's what this information is going on by the reference. well, of course is putting a pressure on the people to do one thing or the other. it's kind of like, may screw me to like radio, tv, or any other medium you get, you need to control how information is being processed to the public itself. reading, we need to dictate what even if we can't necessarily control the entirely,

we need to be at least crowded in certain areas to prevent it from going to places . we don't necessarily want people to find out. so somebody in the government can shut down information before it gets to me or even after it's out there. um, as they've done. yeah. then it's not free flow of information by definition, by definition. right? i mean, look at this point. so now i understand, by the way, if it's something that is, you know, uh, you know, state secrets, uh, you know, the code to the nuclear bomb, even that something like that, i would say, okay, you know, national security and stuff. we'll national security. it's definitely not about not information about we found out that our government is planning to, to bomb somebody. no, no, i wanna know. yeah, i wanna know if you're gonna buy mexico for the 2nd floor or whoever the hell you gotta buy. well, the old who classification they would they things they would call national security that isn't necessarily national security that's. that's why i think we need to realize in this country that our social media is becoming comments like normally somebody would go up to dfcs last spring on a podium with some to that effect way beyond that point we. busy are at the point

where if you mean something to say what is you to facebook? so any of the social media is the way that people accommodate information for one and explain it in another case. and so the same way that you may have influence on television or influence on radio and this point, you need to have this kind of influence on social media itself because that's what people are getting the main part of this away from a lot of definitely a lot of the story that i read that was revealed by these folks who hacked the information from twitter and, and i know the word hack me. so i might argue with since apparently apparently mister musk right. cooperated with that eventually and said look, here's the information i want you to have you hit them up and you just okay. yeah, exactly. yeah. yeah so, so that's still good journalism. it's not like somebody handed them something. um, i guess one of the big arguments was the cold it uh, the way they treated the convent story. right. uh, what, what is your take on? so one of the sales um in vermont um, reality institute or something to that effect the basically what they ended up with

was the government was trying to keep the information on certain information on cobit going to particular right. there was a huge amount of push back going back scenes, mess all of that stuff. and so people were going after or let's say certain organizations were go out the door to say, hey, we don't like this particular information. we don't like that information didn't matter whether it was true, but it isn't. didn't been like, let's say the direction of the information. you know, is one of those like for the sake of mankind, the safety of the world. exactly. you can't report that because it's going to make people then think, yeah, that they shouldn't be vaccinated and etc, etc. but even it was pro, so they would say here, real vaccine effect. so side effects. now, of course, even like as a medical professionals that admit that the vaccine had certain effects, but overall it was better, etc. well, in their case, it was like it, we shouldn't be the schools that we don't. we don't want that information out because people are going to use this information in order to take it in a particular right to go and gets a, some of the, let's say, measures that the government was using to try to deal with coven. i think one of the things, and by the way, i think the whole coven thing just got away from us as

a society. and it got to the point where cove it became a screaming match rather than a conversation. and what a shame because once it gets to that point, no one's going to listen and everyone's going to be accusing the other side and the, and that's actually. so the problem, a lot of problems i see with the twitter files. the colored one is the least that makes me go, oh yeah, they were because that thing had no chance of work. well, it gets credible. that's kind of the problem, right? if i, when she comes out and says, yeah, we shouldn't mess, going to be getting a bit later on. okay. yeah, we should use that. well, he was saying that because he didn't necessarily want to deal with people going and buying mask up in the medical professionals that have them, however, got credibility or if it comes out initially. yeah, this is, there's no way this is a lovely. and then later on you find out, okay, that was fun clarity about one way the other about which one it was. look, colbin. jamal coleman was politicized too soon. and too much. and

i think if we had as a society at the beginning said, we've got a problem, let's get together and try and fix it. but we didn't try and fix it. we tried to fix it to meet our and whether we were a democrat or republican. and i think once that the pony left the bar and it was gone and you weren't going to get them back. i'll tell you what does bother me though you disagree. but it did become politicized. i mean, you can think of when trump was an office couple, still trying to do the vaccine democrats and around it was like, well, i don't know, i don't know, i trust it. but of course someone go by and gets it. he wants everybody's right, so yeah, what's the level of what's politicized? actually. my thing is we have that number of people die. that fast was like, there's a fire. what do we do with fire? i want you not to move jamal. you got that right? because when we come back, the stories taken on a life of its own value. since we've been reporting on twitter, in fact, the people who wrote the twitter files have come under attack method support so much so that there are now people in the media going after people that like match i

e, b. so mr. ty ebby, while we're on the air has been texting me and i'm going to share when we come back, what matt is saying. so i want you to react to mats comment, so stay there. we're going to come back by the way i have but test were i as a journalist, as a latino, as an entrepreneur, i tell my story. i share with you what i've learned my successes, my screw ups, a lot of those. it's called the research because part cats and. busy you to check it out and i will see you there when we come back more on twitter. as i mentioned, people like matt, tell you the are being assailed. right. sale the good word choice. good sailed and we're good. we're going to visit that with comments from tobii who just texted the moments it got to stay right there. the . ringback the

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the. so welcome back. i'm rick sanchez. it seems to me that more more what we read, what we are even allowed to have access to is controlled, probably more than it ever has been. right. and here's what i mean. you see, it's not just for twitter. when you google a story, the number of sources that you're allowed to read, to get insight or context, is limited to the collection of filter new sites. for example, you will get the cable carriers, you'll get

a whatever cnn want you to here. you'll get a sprinkling of some independent of no matter either way. publications, policy, it was incorrect, right? yeah. they say all of a sudden they say i'm a republican and i'm not, i'm a political independent. i have a long history of criticizing both party. it's my belief, among other things, based on what i've seen in the twitter files. this is matt thought you'd be texting me this morning. he says, of the democrats are far more dangerous and more organized on this speech issue than republicans. but that doesn't make me a republican, you'll note that i'm not being allowed to make that case on the air. he's right. what made is on you some of the it'd be, was assign, assigned a tech, basically came into the interview, going after them to even sit on substract isn't going to be like a root canal. he was wrong, but he wouldn't listen to what you just said. here's one of the best, i think one of the finest reporters that we have in the united states, and that's how you'd be nominal. a phenomenal germany. yes, real journalist, detail, dude. and they're attacking it was the weirdest thing in the world. he gets information

presented information, this is what your government is doing. so, but so for me to make you have intelligence services working with social media behind the scenes in a way that you don't know anything about. and i'm exposing, isn't that, like how have you exposed us that you're exposed to their taking sides of the government then? so that's what sort of government pretty much a bad thing is you shouldn't explode. this particular information was, seems ridiculous to me, which goes back to how we started the interview. what i said, i love leaks. yeah. and i can't believe a journalist or angry when people leak information that there's, that's what you were supposed to go. apparently they don't, i took it from and broken people's brains. honest. right? right. it's the most bizarre thing. what else i seymour hersh was with me here where you're sitting right now recently and he said the same thing. yeah. well, you know, so the may is just, they based on christ. it's almost as if they looked at it is we need to protect buying in order to defend, to gets something else sort. trump is very bizarre. here's the other thing. and again, matt thought you'd be responding to me this morning, he says, the idea that i work for a musk is infuriated,

infuriating to afford to pronounce that. it's because english is my 2nd language. so yeah, i didn't hear his exact quote, but i clearly don't work for must he rides, rick, as recent as events prove and which hassan in his it, if he had any on or, and any ethics would be compelled to admit publicly now. i just very publicly stood up to a long on this exact question. so again, i could go on, but uh, this is matt, ty, it'd be responding to the accusation that he's just uh, you know, of carrying water for view on mark's. and this is nonsense. i mean, the guy was the let the, a bad time. it was more so on the left. i mean, what is this? i probably saw a part of and that's i left the i think any journal is worth it. solve has just as much left as he does, right? because we're supposed to go added on truth. it's not like i'm not here to represent the republican party, wrote a democratic party, right? called journalism. i guess this point is i am just giving it to you straight when this is another thing where i'm taking sides on. yeah. so you may have the issue with the censorship thing and i think he's right. the democrats, a more that,

i mean, that's like they will come out with a ministry of truth. and then they were shocked that the public flip out about the fact that you have the ministry of truth. and what was the point of the point was we're going to have a secondary body, you know, need to give information to be. so for media networks, it gives them some level of coverage and say, well that body, the ministry of truth said that this was on for you. so we're going to print it printed by way. meaning this stuff that they were doing behind the scenes, they were trying to bring it to the light of day using this edifice that these guys were going to go along with its appalling and the fact that he's revealing it. and people are shocked by this sandra. he actually went a step further. i don't know if you've heard, but just recently he left twitter. yeah. so if, if he really is, uh, you know, uh uh, what's his name, the golf balls, best buy, boy. yeah. then why in the hell would he see? you wouldn't think he would be doing promos for twitter. oh, not leaving twitter. he has just resigned from twitter. and he says in his announcement that i've just read moments ago that he met tie

e b is now going to dedicate all of his time to some stuff, right. which is coming up with its own twitter like platform, right, where people can have real conversations and not feel like they're controlled by the government at least for now, for i want to stop when it was going to be that way. it could have been that way. i mean, all of the social media companies could have been that way. i mean, i think that's a problem for the government is a certain information that inhibits their ability to do whatever they're doing from a purely ideological standpoint. and whether that's mainstream media, meaning just traditional media, whether that's right it, whatever that is, they need a way to corral information in a way that doesn't damage their particular point of view. so carolling twitter or getting influence the social media companies as a way to do it, especially from a full of policy staff. what do you think? you know, i'm kind of solutions guy. yeah. i would love to see um, you know, some sober minds come together on the left, on the right in the government, outside of the government, and come up with a way to make me trust a twitter a gap,

right? maybe even, you know, the new york times we can. yeah. maybe even i'm a suddenly senior or fox or c. and then again, yeah, it has that shit. so yelled, i think from the american public, when you look at that, how the public deals media. yes, i mean, maybe it's not impossible. i mean it's just credibility. everything. spend what for 5 years screaming that the bulletin crop over the finish line, you will have problems with that is what we have them will investigate or scream it about. what does the manufacturing? all right, good. i problems with that meeting. one story after the next. next they just credit themselves and it seems always this credit in a certain direction for government. those are a bizarre at both sides. yeah. both, i mean, you know what you're going to get if you turn on fox news, if your know exactly what you're going to get and you know what you're gonna get ahead of that in mind is the devil and the mama is the devil. right? right. and you know, and they may be, who knows, you know, but then when you're drawing them as soon as you find that, no, no, no, no, no, no mccardle is the downright when trump is the devil. and the fact of the matter is it's of heightened um you know,

uh exaggerated conversation. yeah. that doesn't tell you new information. it just wants you to stay there. yeah. and they want to tell you what you already know about it. like doesn't, didn't work at all. i mean, usually it's very black and white. so it was like, joe biden is the greatest president in my lifetime is really, really, you know, is it under cutting um, re, i live in a way, or donald trump is completely innocent. of that's the way it's let me, let me interrupt you for a minute before we run out of time and talk about something where i think we, you know, you said a little while ago the ship of sail. yeah. here's where i think the ship has really sailed and may not be retrievable to, uh, the idea that they can use these mess mathematic algorithms, right? to know exactly what they need to say to me and not say to me. so it's, it's, it's literally using technology and science to program my brain. right. and that is what is going on in our world today. that is,

that scares the hell out of that is terrifying. you're basically taking what was a propaganda vague, a turn to get into almost like a sites in a weird way and using social media event. twitter does yeah, of course sorted by the way twitter falls found out that it's even worse than what we thought. well yeah, that they sell it. of course, i mean look at facebook cambridge analytical in the way that facebook was operating, or even the test the paperwork was running to see whether or not they can influence the move and the behaviors of people on that. so for media platforms don't use it when it gets to the point when the algorithms control it. that means the algorithms know exactly what you like. they know exactly what you don't like. yes, even though the nuances, the little some data points, he says i'm, we're going to attack that every single day. yeah. once we get to that point, the only thing that we can do to protect ourselves from twitter is to shut it down . but also i was a software engineer for years like a decade. and yeah, there's all sorts of information that we can glean from it and make models associated with how, let's say they engage a particular person who wants to particular thing. how to find out how much income this particular person had bought may not have come up with all sorts of database participants. what they all time. right?

right. well, they don't to apply the kind of apply because you have all of the information also for me to the point, you know, that point to the, you know, the opinions even what, so what jamal, what chance do we have against that? which asked as my mother, my, my, my sister, my brother, a guy, my brother's a copy. what does that solve all day long? that's all he does right then he finally gets on to be with his kids. he doesn't have time to do a 1000000 checks on this stuff. he's going to believe whatever they put on there because their, their, their, their preaching is story and what they think of the story. and they're probably right. and also people have the ability to tune in some very narrow flights of what they want to hear. so if i want to listen to the options, i can listen fox and they can tell me how great i am all day. same thing with them and send it to you. i, i don't see i wish i did. i don't see a solution, but i do, you know what i do say a great guess. thank ok. thanks man. up really, really enjoy the conversation and i think it's an important conversation that we need to have. oh, that's the real one. yeah. yeah. okay. well listen, uh before we go, i want to remind you of something. our mission, you know, simple really. um i wanna do silo the world with the show. we've got to stop living

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