in fact, the so i want to talk about something today that let's just say really hits home because, you know, as it happens, i was one of the 1st persons to believe so much in the power of twitter as a democratizing force. that i actually included in, in my newscast, i did this, i just started one day on my laptop. i took it out like this and told people, check it out, reach out to be on twitter. tell me what you think of this newscast as i was doing the news and they talked to me during commercials. look, don't take my word for it. as a newly released book out, the book says, so the book is called, uncovered by steam crack. our says this about me in his book, he says a lot about me. he says, rick sanchez, former cnn acar, told me that what is happening now is really horrible. he makes his comparison to

what it was like when i started twitter. and it makes us want a question says crack our, whether whether the news that we're getting is really news today. words being influenced by some higher power. exactly. by the way, the new york times also wrote about my pioneering twitter at the time. and so it m p r, back here i am using twitter while i was doing the news. when i was back on the cnn to a twitter board, we go and see it goes a little shows in today by our intrepid staff. not me. oh, it's all about all the way to go. alley. for clarifying working people are not a special interest. tired of part, us and hacks. i start with that and i want to do to see that only to dovetail into the economy of what twitter was compared to what twitter has become. is a corner of the latest revelations of the national controversy known as the twitter

files installment of the twitter files has been released this time. dealing has deal detailing, has several government agencies interacted with the platform. and that's how you'd be saying, quote, the file show the f b i acting as dorman, to a vast program of social media surveillance and censorship and compensating agencies across the federal government from the state department to the pentagon, to the c. i a 300000000 people, use twitter worldwide, and many considered in the hub for communication for news, for entertainment. however, these days, it's taking a bit of a beginning, specifically because of the twitter files. so what are the twitter files that you may have heard about? okay, it is a massive data, a leak of quitters internal documents revealed by

a hacker group that's. busy how big impacting these documents stay with me. they give us an inside look at the stuff about twitter that we never knew. how do we algorithms really work? their policies, the procedures, their biases, the link included more than $1700.00 files. it really is a, it's like a peak right into our twitter operate behind the scenes. for example, what do they do with your data? when you get on to what, what do they do with you? well, one of the things they say in this report is that twitter monitors direct messages and then shares their users location you. if you're in there putting in a direct message with 3rd party advertisers. so much for your privacy, right? that's how they make money. at the expense of your privacy, that's what a file also reveals that twitter promoted users that had a lot of followers even if what they had to say was neither relevant nor engaging.

the matter, as long as you get a lot of followers you, they're going to put you up. somebody who's a genius who has something to say, that's important, they're not. so what is it more of a popularity contest, right? that's part of what the twitter files is apparently revealing. what else? well twitter or try to tackle hate speech. good. but then comes the question of what is hate? who's the hater? who gets to the side? did they share how they came up with that with us? these link documents have raised concerns about twitters commitment to free speech data protection, and it's algorithmic biases. but maybe the real question is the, the one that we have to ask ourselves, why would we think this is almost primordial right? why? why do we think that a publicly traded company that is there only to make money? would really give a quote about fairness or balance or even truth for that matter. that's kinda not

what they're there to do. by the way, the twitter files are not a one shot deal. it's a series of reports that are released by journal. this map tie a be a cover or a series of events that twitter chose to moderate among the stories the twitter act at least suppressed or controlled the 100 by the laptop ground diversity. for example, the donald trump cancellation from twitter, the january 6th storming of the capitol, is also an installment of the twitter files that deals with how some users are shadow band. and yet another on how the u. s. military st. com to use as twitter, to run online, influence campaigns in other countries. and joining us now to talk about this is jamal ra thomas. he's a video host. his show is called fault lines. i've been on a couple of times as a matter of fact. and. busy actually being here,

i'm glad to be here. this is important. it is important. yeah. and also, and by the way, just i want to go on the record with you as saying that i really, really like leaks. yeah. you know, i don't understand how we're living in a time when the people who criticize leaks the most. our journalists, super weird. we kind of where we should live for leaks was internal. it's right. i mean the information, how do you know what your government is doing, what various elements of society is doing without knowing what's going on behind the scenes? this is the julia massage thing. right. exactly. i keep seeing the stories where uh, the amazon b c's of the world and the new york times of the world and the see and ends of the world, the fox news of the world. all of them think the, the corporate media are angry when they see a report that gives citizens new information. they didn't know about their government. right. and they take the side of the government. it's something weird

you would think that media would be more inclined to, you know, we want this information, we want into what goes on behind the scenes. we want to know how to sausages basically made. and it was very weird. i mean, even with this on stuff, they covered the stuff and then somewhere along the way, it was like this guy for leasing information about the state secrets and all of that stuff. how do you know which a government is the one who can see behind the st? exactly. so let's get to the twitter files. i know we, we kind of came in through the back door of it or say, but, but if it's another case of somebody doing breakthrough reporting. yes. where we have an opportunity to see as you say, how the sausage is really made, right. what twitter really does that we didn't know about. yes. and what we've learned is that they have if, if nothing else a very, what was the relationship with our government and maybe even part of our internal community? that is to put it mildly, i mean, a lot of people have suspicions about twitter or social media and everything is going to behind the scenes, especially with the reaction with us. but i mean if you notice everybody who has an upper or is like, well, wait a minute, is it just the social media company?

why all these people freaking out? and you know what the release of the sort of i was meant to ab schellenberg or i'm barry wice. all, it makes it very clear that yeah, they were freaking out because that was the incestuous relationship i think was where do you between the 2. that basically you ended up with the situation where these guys were having meetings with intel on information to either disclose information to keep people shuttle ban content meant by the way, was it bad contact, meaning the stuff was flu. they just just like the fact that the stuff would be exposed. so there are some of the parts to this, right? let's, let's try and get through this before we get on the subject of the push back that the media and the government seems to be laying on people like matt, tie a be because one a hell of a good journalist. and it doesn't deserve to be talked about the way they're talking about it, but we'll get to that. uh, the 1st part, i guess is a big tech. yeah. and of itself, we've always thought that big tech twitter i was one of the pioneers of actually usage of twitter. i believe in twitter. i thought twitter was going to help us

democratize our society. instead. it's now being partial about corporations by government. and i think what the story showed is that the government has access to twitter and can shop things down where the rest of us can't right. now they will probably argue what we just suggested. but, you know, if the government is telling you, hey, we don't particularly like this information or this information, that's what this information is going on by the russians. well, of course is putting a pressure on the people to do one thing or the other. it's kind of like mainstream either like radio or tv or any other medium you get, you need to control how information is being processed to the public itself, waiting, waiting to dictate, well, even if we can't necessarily control the entirely we need at the very least crowded in certain areas on to prevent it from going to places, we don't necessarily want people to find out. so somebody in the government can shut down information before it gets to me or even after it's out there. um, as they've done. yeah. then it's not free flow of information by definition, by definition, right? i mean, look at this point. so now i understand, by the way,

if it's something that is, you know, of, you know, state secrets, uh, you know, the code to the nuclear ball name and that something like that, i would say, okay, you know, national security and stuff, real national security. it's definitely not about not information about we found out that our government is planning to, to bomb somebody. no, no, i want to know. yeah. i want to know if you got a bomb mexico or singapore or whoever the hell you got about. well, there's over classification there what they, things they would call national security that isn't necessarily national security that's. that's why i think we need to realize in this country that our social media is look at my comments. like normally somebody will go up to dfcs, last streaming on a podium with some to that effect way beyond that point, we are at the point where if you mean something to say, what is you to facebook? so any of the social media is the way that people are accommodate information for one and explain it in another case. and so the same way that you may have influence on television, what influence on radio and this point you need to have this kind of influence. and so for media itself, because that's what people are getting the main part of this away from a lot of like a lot of the story that i read that was revealed by these folks who hacked the

information from twitter. and, and i know the word hack me, so i might argue with sensitive apparently apparently mister musk right. cooperated with it eventually and said look here's the information i want you to have. you hit them up and you just okay. yeah, exactly. yeah, yeah. so, so that's still good journalism. it's not like somebody handed them something. um i guess one of the big arguments was the coded that the way they treated the convent story, right? what, what is your take on? so one of the sales um would have been very variety institute or some to that effect. but basically for what they ended up with was the government was trying to change the information on certain if national cove is going to particular up, there was a huge amount of push back on vaccines mass, all of that stuff. and so people were going after, let's say certain organizations were go up to, to, to say, hey, we don't like this particular information. we don't like that information didn't matter whether it was true, but it isn't didn't, didn't like, let's say the direction that the information, you know,

is one of those like for the sake of mankind, the safety of the world. exactly. you can't report that because it's going to make people then think, yeah, that they shouldn't be vaccinated and etc, etc. but even it was pro. so they would say here, real vaccine effects will side effects. now, of course, even like as a medical professionals that admit that the vaccine it had certain effects, but overall it was better, etc. well, americans, it was like a, we shouldn't be the schools that we don't. we don't want that information out because people are going to use this information in order to take it in a particular right to go. it gets um, some of the, let's say measures that the government was using to try to deal with cobra. i think one of the things, and by the way, i think the whole coven thing just got away from us as a society. and it got to the point where cove it became a screaming match rather than a conversation. and what a shame because once it gets to that point, no one's going to listen and everyone's going to be accusing the other side and that's actually. so the problem, a lot of problems i see with the twitter files,

the quoted one is the least that makes me go, oh yeah, they were because that thing had no chance of work. well, it gets credible. that's kind of the problem, right? if she comes out and says, yeah, we shouldn't mess, going to be getting a bit later on. okay. yeah, we should use that. well, he was saying that because we don't necessarily want to deal with people, go in and buying mask up in the medical professionals that have them, however it gets credibility or if it comes out initially. yeah, this is, there's no way this is a lovely and then later on you find out, okay, that was when clarity about one way the other about with when he was look coleman, jamal colvin was politicized too soon and too much. and i think if we had as a society at the beginning said, we've got a problem, let's get together and try and fix it, press, but we didn't try and fix it. we tried to fix it to meet our and whether we were a democrat or republican. and i think once that the pony left the bar and it was gone and you weren't going to get them back. i'll tell you what does bother me though you disagree. but it did become politicized. i mean,

you can think of when trump was an office couple still trying to do the vaccine democrats on around. it was like, well, i don't know, i don't know that for us. but then of course someone go by and get said you want, everybody's right. so yeah, what's the level of what's politicized? i think my thing is we have that number of people dying that fast was like there's a fire. what do we do with fire? i want you not to move jamal, you got that right? because when we come back, the story is taken on a life of its own value. since we've been reporting on twitter, in fact, the people who wrote the twitter files have come under attack message board. so much so that there are now people in the media going after people let like matt tie a b. so mr. ty ebby while we're on, the air has been texting me. oh, and i'm going to share when we come back, what matt is saying. so i want you to react to mats comment, so stay there. we're going to come back by the way. i have podcast. we're i, as a journalist, as a latino, as an entrepreneur, i tell my story. i share with you what i've learned my successes, my screw ups,

lot of those. it's called the research because part cats, i invite you to check it out and i will see you there when we come back more on twitter. as i mentioned, people like matt, tell you the are being assailed. right. a sale the good word choice good assailed and we're going to visit that with comments from ty you'd be who just texted the moments ago. stay right there. the, [000:00:00;00]

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the so welcome back. i'm rick sanchez. it seems to me that more more of what we read, what we are even allowed to have access to is controlled, probably more than it ever has been. right. and here's what i mean. you see, it's not just for twitter. when you google a story, the number of sources that you're allowed to read to get insight or context is limited to the collection of filter new sites. for example, you will get the cable carriers, you'll get the whatever, see, and i don't want you to hear from the us. but the mean that works from top newspapers. and maybe maybe i'll get a sprinkling of some independent news or some. busy are and papers or outlets like the guardian, maybe the bbc, which is really not that much different from cnn. so if you really want a different perspective,

one that is not filtered or controlled by bigger entities. good luck. good luck. so that means that controlled information flow is not just a twitter problem and it's kind of a everywhere problem. so we're back with general thomas and he's talking uh twitter twitter files to be exact kept. can i share something with you? absolutely. look what i just got a little while ago. this is uh uh, you know, tv uh knows that we've been talking about this. he and i started up a conversation he's getting like i said earlier, really, i mean, attacked a sale this. yeah. on the m. s. n b c, the media and, and so here's what he just wrote to me today. so why don't we publish a politician? it was in color, right? yeah, they say all of a sudden they say, i'm a republican and i'm not, i'm a political independent. i have a long history of criticizing both party. it's my belief among other things,

based on what i've seen in the twitter files. this is matt thought you'd be texting me this morning. he says that the democrats are far more dangerous and more organized on this speech. issue than republicans, but that doesn't make me a republican. you'll note that i'm not being allowed to make that case on the air. he's right. what made is on you some of that, it'd be with his on that's on attack. basically came into the interview going after i'm tired, even said what's up select, this is going to be like a root canal. he was wrong. but when listen to what you just said, here's one of the best. i think one of the finest reporters that we have in the united states, and that's how you'd be nominal. a phenomenal journal. yes, real journalist detail do. and they're attacking it is the weirdest thing in the world. he gets information to present information. this is what your government is doing on. so what? so for me to make you have intelligence services, working with social media behind the scenes in a way that you don't know anything about and i'm exposing, isn't it like how have you exposed this barrier exposed to her taking sides of the government? been so that's what sort of government pretty much

a bad thing is you shouldn't expose this particular and make sure things ridiculous for me, which goes back to how we started the interview. what i said, i love leaks. yeah. and i can't believe a journalist or angry when people link information that there's, that's what you were supposed to though. apparently they don't look at trutland broken people's brains. honest. right? right. it's the most bizarre thing. what else i seymour hersh was with me here where you're sitting right now recently and he said the same thing. yeah. well instead of me it's just, they've been gone crazy. it's almost as if they looked at it as we need to protect by him in order to defend, to get something else or trump is very bizarre. here's the other thing. and again, matt thought you'd be responding to me this morning. he says, the idea that i work for mosque is infuriated, infuriating to afford to pronounce that. it's because english is my 2nd language. so yeah, i didn't hear his exact quote, but i clearly don't work from us. he rides rick as recent as events prove and which hassan in his it, if he had any on or in any ethics,

would be compelled to admit publicly now, i just very publicly stood up to a lawn on this exact question. so again, i could go on, but this is matt, ty, it'd be responding to the accusation that he's just, uh, you know, of carrying water for you on months and this is nonsense. i mean the guy was the let, the a mess. i was more so on the less, i mean, what do you this, i probably saw a part of and that's i left the i think any journal is worth it. solve has just as much left as he does, right? because we're supposed to go added on truth. it's not like i'm not here to represent the republican party run a democratic party, right? call general is, i guess this point is i am just giving it to you straight. when this is another thing where i'm taking sides on. yeah. so you may have the issue with the censorship thing and i think he's right. the democrats a more that, i mean that's like they will come out with a ministry of truth. and then they were shocked that the public flip out about the fact that you have the ministry of truth. and what was the point of the point was we're going to have this secondary body in order to get information to be. so for media networks, it gives them some level of coverage and they will that body,

the ministry of truth said that this was on free, so we're going to predict print it by way. meaning this stuff that they were doing behind the scenes, they were trying to bring it to the light of day using this edifice. but these guys were going to go along with, it's appalling and the fact that he's revealing it and people are shocked by this function. he actually went a step further. i don't know if you've heard, but just recently, uh, he left twitter. yeah. so if, if he really is uh, you know, uh uh, what's his name, the best buy boy. yeah. then why in the hell, what do you see? you wouldn't think he would be doing promos for twitter not leaving twitter. he has just resigned from twitter. and he says in his announcement that i've just read moments ago that he met tie e b is now going to dedicate all of his time to some stuff, right. which is coming up with its own twitter like platform, right, where people can have real conversations and not feel like they're controlled by the government at least for now, for i want to stop when it was going to be that way. it could have been that way. i mean, all of the social media companies could have been that way. and they,

i think that's the problem for the government is a certain information that inhibits their ability to do whatever they're doing from a purely ideological standpoint. and whether that's mainstream media, meaning just traditional media with it, afraid of whatever that is, they need a way to corral information in a way that doesn't damage their particular point of view. so carolling twitter or getting influence the social media companies as a way to do it, especially from a foreign policy snap. what do you think? you know, i'm kind of solutions guy. yeah. i would love to see um, you know, some sober minds come together on the left, on the right, in the government, outside of the government, and come up with a way to make me trust a twitter a gap, right? maybe even, you know, the new york times and yeah, maybe even i'm a suddenly senior or fox or c. and then again, yeah, it has that shit, they yelled. i think from the american public when you looked at that, how the public deals media. yes. i mean, maybe it's not impossible. i mean the issue is credibility. everything. spend what

for 5 years screaming that the pulling her a truck over the finish line, you will have problems with that is what we have them will investigate or scream it about. what does the manufacturing, all right, going to problems with that meaning one story after the next. next they just credit themselves and it seems always this credit in a certain direction for government. those are a bizarre at both sides. yeah. both, i mean, you know what you're going to get if you turn on fox news, your know exactly what you're going to get. and you know, you're gonna get ahead of that in mind is the devil and the pharma is the devil. right? right. and you know, and they may be, who knows, you know, but then when you're drawing them as soon as you find that, no, no, no, no, no, no mccardle is the down, right? and trump is the devil. and the fact of the matter is it's of heightened um you know, uh exaggerated conversation. yeah. that doesn't tell you new information. it just wants you to stay there. yeah. and they want to tell you what you already know about it. like doesn't, didn't work at all. i mean, usually it's very black and white. so it was like,

joe biden is the greatest president in my lifetime is really, really, you know, is it under cutting? um, we, i live in a way, or donald trump is completely innocent. of x, the way it's let me, let me interrupt you for a minute before we run out of time and talk about something where i think we, you know, you said a little while ago the ship of sail. yeah. here's where i think the ship has really sailed and may not be retrievable to, uh, the idea that they can use these must mathematic algorithms, right? to know exactly what they need to say to me and not say to me. so it's, it's, it's literally using technology and science to program my brain. right. and that is what is going on in our world today. that is, that scares the hell out of that is terrifying. you're basically taking what was a propaganda vague, a turn to get into almost like a sites in a weird way and using social media event. twitter does. yeah, of course, sort of the other way twitter falls found out that it's even worse than what we thought. well, yeah, that they sell it. of course, i mean,

look at facebook cambridge analytical in the way that facebook was operating or even the test the paperwork was running to see whether or not they can influence the move and the behaviors of people on their social media platform. don't use it when it gets to the point when the algorithms control it. that means the algorithms know exactly what you like. they know exactly what you don't like. yes, even though the nuances, the little some data points. he says i'm, we're going to attack that every single day. yeah. once we get to that point, the only thing that we can do to protect ourselves from twitter is to shut it down . but also i was a software engineer for years like a decade. and yeah, there's all sorts of information that we can glean from it and make models associated with how, let's say they engage a particular person who wants to particular thing, how to find out how much income this particular person had for me to have. you can come up with all sorts of database statistics, what they all time, right? right. well, they don't to apply the kind of apply because you have all of the information also for me to the point, you know, the point of, you know, their opinions even what, so what tomorrow, what chance do we have against that? which asked as my mother, my, my, my sister, my brother, a guy, my brother's a copy. what does that solve all day long? that's all he does right then he finally gets on to be with his kids. he doesn't

have time to do a 1000000 checks on this stuff. he's going to believe whatever they put on there because their, their, their, their preaching is story and what they think of the story. and they're probably right. and also people have the ability to tune in some very narrow flights of what they want to hear. so if i want to listen to the options, i can listen fox, and they can tell me how great i am all day. same thing with them as soon as you i, i don't see i wish i did. i don't see a solution. what i do, you know what i do say a great guess thing off next man up really, really enjoy the conversation and i think it's an important conversation that we need to have. oh, that's the real one. yeah. yeah. okay. well listen, uh before we go, i want to remind you of something. our mission, you know, simple really. um i wanna do silo the world with the show. we've got to stop living in these little boxes, right? to stop living boxes, truces everywhere. how much address are you looking for? you're getting right here. help to provide some direct impact

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