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climate change. august, today is a world renowned environment list attacks in nato nations, the new yorker called or demagogue. but who is risk to life, to educate the world about the malign power of late capitalism? she's the one who has 20 books, including a latest terra viva. my life and a bio diversity of movement and a journey from atomic sciences to feelings fights of natural seeds is chronicled in the new film, the seeds of under the shiva. the food is over. when you settled real weapons to control out. when you control the food, you control the site. but when you control the seat, you control, it's like industrial foaming is the single biggest destructive force on the planet to the water against the begins in the minds

of men. and i mean this, the one data sheet of us is one of the most prominent matters in the world. she's one of yours. interesting that destroys funding. that was one of the pioneers you started the global see movement. phoning intellectual property rights is an attempt at the gym and you can watch the seeds of on the machine now and one of the she, the movie dot com, but now the legendary veteran of w t. o. seattle. 1999 in calculus battle since dr. the she joins me from there. i don't in india, thank you so much of the for coming back on the show before i even get to the amazing documentary, i really think everyone should want you to understand more about you rather than

just talking to different conferences gives a different type of perspective i have to really begin because this here is the 38th anniversary of the bo paula, that disaster build is one of the largest, maybe the largest industrial disaster in history. why do you think it so emblematic of all your fights and struggles and work on uh on how capitalism manifest itself and its war in the book will be in the disaster. because the goal is by api, political bon genocide brings together the fact that development in the 3rd world. this is the introduction of talk 6 and boys of this. they should be posted in the seventy's from union call by call by the hand and in the future, forwarding a biko of a red liquid over a farm, applying his speed. and it literally became the, you know,

the base of the houses died because of pesticides conflict. and till that time they used to say the idea that the other alternatives to best decides is 2 or 3 fourths name a beautiful tree with bush as cold. as on the left, which is what it scientific name is, isaac director. and because i started on the date of the budget after know mobile bonds listed on to me because we have saved phones. and this is what was said g. then 10 years later, the name is batch and to then 5 to and 11 years, i felt that case against the us government and w. i base a company that is joined. she has the patent on pesticides, properties of me. so we have a couple of superstitious rerecord event and our knowledge was taken and boulevard was totally avoidable if the normal fonts and frankly gotcha. this was authorized

for thousands of years, had not been interrupted by the green revolution by talk 6 and chemicals. introducing the name of development. we want to get onto all those uh, themes, to an extent when it goes, as you know, union carbide. as was in a day there was an advocate settlement. i know the 600000 are in effect of india. why do you keep going on about it? if, if it's still so important, i suppose lauren anderson ran away and there's enough records about his escaping from india. second, that settlement brought about a $100.00 to each person, which was nothing. to cover the costs. definitely nothing to cover the loss of life . you talked about union call by having me lost my job, but doubts has been has burst with do font. and you phoned and now have a beautiful name today called tables. so you and miller recognize and connected to

doing income by new research, a showing a union carbide which pretends to have existed, india actually keeps existing to shuttle companies. so the amazing investigative journalist following up the policies and side b every 2nd and 3rd of december in go above the amante's against the continued crime, a guest moved on and the continued injustice. there was no justice delivered by call by to date. but we invite the chief executive of court, a variety representative from these newly changed named companies with relationships to the bobo disaster, which they denied. and of course, they deny any connex. it's the past they might, they might say. but um, what about, well, a geo political realignment because i did mentioned the indian supreme court. and i know that appears in the film in a very emotional moment in the film razor gotten through personally. but on the

supreme court level, they agreed to the settlement back then about bobo could things change again? could india know to act so much as a vassal of state to washington, which was a long suspected when it came to that settlement and start to exert some kind of self written power against us multi nationals given realignments between china and russia and all the rest of it the, the one's been going on this. yeah. as you know, even of the time when the supreme court is rudy, it was on the basis of a totally big for ya complain by the state. they represented all the victims as barrens. betcha. they was a veteran and they could represent all the victims, the victim send you one of the top 70 loads of people to die, of those cases. some of them still continue. so i do hope that a new jurisprudence of courage of compassion really much once again,

because often log into the land of dom handbook land of non violence in some fashion. and we should use every level of justice to bring compassion to the full. but is there any change can that'd be a change given the supreme court made that judgement years ago. it's already done isn't oh, but i'm you know, they all of these new situations which trigger, for example, all you know, i'm a big, ashton does well, maybe legal that just raise 16 today. the supreme court is here in that case, and asking the government show us the reason why you didn't give us the pool. that there was reason behind it. so you know, it takes one judge of conscience. it takes one new trigger that connects another tragedy to papa. and of course, these cases can come back. well, as i said, all subject and companies denial liability and relate to what you 1st said to me.

in this interview, the soils of india may have been destroyed by a union carbide back then. but according to you, this oil is being destroyed every single day across the global south. how exactly do you tie up? this incredible network of u. n. agencies will be going to make for, and the i'm asking you multinational corporations all these different interconnected elements. a somehow connected to that. so it's such a basic thing on life. one of the soil or you know, i was my head was all in quantum theory, atomic physics. that's what i was study and it was into the lines you need to pull the year of the whole book by disaster. but also the bureau of the punjab disaster . when pauses of people died in new orleans, that i was compelled to work for the united nations university to study what was the green revolution? where did it begin? why are we using chemicals?

why are we destroying the song? so i did the book file as the green revolution for the united nations university, and i found it all every time it goes up to the, the ancestors, all the chemicals of it does gemini, i, g 5 and the american partners. you know, while i was living forth between the nazis and the allies, the companies were working together to use for socio and finance to make chemical stand. it always broke the road. the finance and the fossil fuels, germany brought the chemical expertise and that expertise to go into the aggregate mclean street, which i call the boys in contact because the names change so frequently it's impossible to keep up with their names. but one thing that has stayed to out from the thirty's to now is the manufacture boys. and they claim that it is necessary to good food. why? of the soul as across the time? because the process of making nitrogen personalizes to bloody fossil

fuels at high temperature to fix that mistake, nitrogen is the same process that need explosives. when you apply on your nitrate to the solely, you already have to the saw it or living organisms. assorted di, sewing is living, it's fungi, back to the age of 12 is what creates the facility and creates light in the side. this talk substance stops to kill life. so it, so it doesn't on the one hand, but it's so inefficient. only 10 percent is used by plants, 90 percent runs of as pollution, water of dead zones and the ocean with even more seriously during the climate discussions. the silence on life is upside. hides the issue of not should personalizes and contribution to the climate disaster. one kilogram of nitrogen personalized. so use this to you does of diesel. it emits carbon dioxide plus nitrous oxide,

which is $300.00 times more damage to the time and then carbon dioxide. and they have time to change that makes it worse and the side, those, the vicious cycle of desire to pick ation of the interesting to you might have such a bad time. sure that the same crop, calculated chemically use this 10 times more water than the crops contribution. don't panicky, so now i'm just not the scare settlement on the, on the kind of want to these was it is well just trying. i've been job has been absolutely designated, and the red rate industrialized countries, the licks i disappeared and jim is disappearing. so all the multiple types of this, the face today, the green revolution, industrial, agriculture based on fossil fuels and fossil fuel. some of those is, are the root of the shaver. i'll stop you there. more from the world renowned environmental this after this break the

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call the the european agenda is dave about the to go the a change of the date of per section of the security in europe. but now they can see the are the security on the basis of the confrontation that was not to date, plastic phones, the main idea out the west of the counselors to until 20 years ago. the welcome back to the grand, i'm still here with that the globalization pioneer. the sheet. of course john list will cover what happened in bun job is merely ethnic strife. and that's a conflict of point very well made in the field. obviously, the rockefellers, a foundation would say, yeah, that was long ago, the nazi links to these companies, historically, whether it be that or ford, for instance, you know, during the,

these links the endurable that we should ignore them at these are the company's sponsored angle, the climate conferences, they us once during the green revolution, this one's doing everything. and in fact, when it comes to what you said about fertilizer, of course the, the greatest uh, uh, freelance ro, capitalist, uh, bill gates, uh, the founder of a pen to get an contract to microsoft. he said in stark contrast to what you're saying, i, i've never been shy about my passion for for otherwise. it's a magical innovation that is responsible for saving millions of lives from hunger and lifting millions more at the poverty by boosting agricultural productivity. you're not saying he has something to do with the silence on nitrous oxide i. he has a lot to do with the science and microsoft saying, well, this book, dealing with atlantic catastrophe, is standing in front of the 1st like a 5 d. c. i love for july so and i'm happy and then i know someone

who can be made copy of my uria boss of for july's obviously doesn't know the life of the song. he doesn't know how promise code to the living. so i to grow more for the multiple attempts, so i'd facility the moyer for production and the modem. you've just, you know, food. so the size on the personalizes is quite clearly driven by, on the one hand, the fertilizer industry itself. and during this period where the price is happening, we personalize the price is a charge up. what is the 4 or 5 companies that make money? those companies then is the be in the funds, the asset management finds the black drops the man does mr. game directly as a boss. now brookside, the, you know, the alliance of the green revolution in africa was a join to lines of rockefeller and, and mr. gates. so it just the visa started links on the past, 2nd,

in my books on the emphasis for you of didn't take reductionism, you know, it was real casela which find that all the research on eugenics on finding the molecule was of determinism. in life. and that is what shape the reduction is biology that they gave us. the deduction is genetic engineering. they haven't bought out of this issue. most impulse and boeing just before the glass broke summit rockefeller with new york stock exchange now. so they will now go creating assets that you ask the companies that they will not own nature as a financial, as this is going on in the cost of climate is going on in the club of identity is going on in every full and social security call we are witnessing the find naturalization of nature, and through the financial aid station,

a new extracted us, which creates magic. i've seen the really economy the most of the time the saw is dying, the climate just the stabilize. now we will, but on wall street and the kind of collapse we created in 2008 would be nothing. we will not manufacture a full tubs and trillion dollar economy, which we will control in a big to just week. so stop the game. continuing it just the spills chain, the 5 legitimacy with the logic of to 10 to 10 control over life is what guides every aspect of growth fellow dates and the billing at club. but you being saying that they have a malign influence. of course, there is an entire class and entirely clause involving the alliance for the green revolution. and so many others who disagree. i have to say that given there, uh, these are lead. so obviously they can afford organic in western countries, organic food,

or it's any labeled organic food to get away from the devices and pesticides. the very rich is can. so how does the, how does it affect us inside, as if we don't need to get like food because there's one mention of it in the film very briefly. what, what is the micro biome and what all these different companies will these agencies, what, what do they, what do they mean for actually what's going on inside us? they obviously deny any wrongdoing and saying all that they are doing is basically part of that green revolution which started decades ago in fed, uh, 1000000000 people that would otherwise have stuff to death with visual, so effective. they wouldn't be a 1000000000 people hungry today. and the funny a honda was sporadic, it was needing for example, to the british colonialism, extracting super subclasses, 45 trillion from india. and in the process you create

a 105. and then this will only because the structure just boom including the 5. but how the was our agriculture produces who cannot eat the food big grow because the great commodities at high cost, there's lots of boy. so they're just silly. everything they grew just to be back. yesterday's. that the issue of how this this goes from, of how we have meet the pink of food begins with treating. and we got you as an external input system just to put left to look at it goes in. it is treated as production separate from totally separate from my hip. and then i hope it's purely the big problem using on diseases when you manufacture. so take the fact that the buyer, which knowledge bought what central says lied for seat gifts cancer and the w h o

has said, like we'll see, does it cost you much? that's bad. that is bad. your up now of to medical cases up for certain periods or the band is slowly this due to be taking it and they have been ottoman. they haven't banded 40, but the same company then brings you a bunch of discounts that drug. that's a fine bias house in india to try and strike down the laws that prevent this time to for not be but what size is showing and what people knew, you know, people could use hold for these. i mention i am a though. i'm shovels the food is that medicine, food is my medicine. now. new science and new research showing us the biodiversity of the sewing micro biome street, the launch the fi to chemicals and richness, then beats out got to micro biome which is a 100 trillion fellow beings with enough know only 10 percent of us live streaming

audio class is the got to micro biome, and the got to micro biome is so sensitive. all of those microbes new noon, just different food. so we have to each diversity. they have sensors that can test the top 6. they can test uniformity, which is another issue. this new faithfully based on g m a. so yeah, which has moved to display into everything. but by the time that monitor and it so that it's an attack and we get challenges being all kinds of problems. so they've got to michael mind as opposed to then we must tend to be take care of it and we get only take care of it by taking care of the 1st outside in the sun and then the hops again and again in the film. as you progress in your journey to where you are now, you question uh a things and connections into connections. but why do you think that the doctors are routinely a nature of countries treating at ever more allergies? so they say on the clustering,

these links necessarily 0, actually the mall, dispensable doctors, the more informed doctors are actually making these names. i know the 3 kinds of specialist who given the clinics in cities and started organic, want to say i would treat my patients by growing good food and nurturing but got to my for bye. and of course, most of the people in the, in, i don't go to the health sector because they're not providing health. if they will provide, you know, they be thinking of food. they're basically part of the industrial medical complex . they're just running the 10000000 up with the medical representative because they look at these drugs and it's a machine to sell medicines and drugs look fairly cheap withdrawal from the date to bring them to you should he also did to our body and basically try to criminalize every system of testing that has existed for ever. india's i revise more than

5000 years olds, and every attempt is made to rubbish it, but to which they would say to which they would say, life expectancy has increased up to the green revolution. the fact that counts as a more prevalent is merely because people are living longer and that allergies are somehow diseases of affluence, you know, you know what's written about in the press. and i know in the film you talk about lobbied, john, who has them to an extent what what, how the case of punjab it's. ok. yeah. one job the, what the hell these people really hard working to different job is a focus of suicides because that and kansas because of pesticides is a cancer clean. that leaves but job and it's not because okay, my life really, pregnancy is high, then it was under the british. no, no, it's not. that's a figure on people. young children of boeing and discounts of trained children not getting cancer. it is not just the old people, i mean, you know,

why do i take up in the field shows of many steps which i took on the challenge and addressed it to things create outreaching me on necessary home to the up and on this revise and speaking with being mobile, i was the wireless to be both been job was about viruses to people. and boy, this for the up and they i ask the question, why do we do it this way? why response and i'm going to the struck just and then of course i can't live with the why lives. and then i just as a kid i must find been on bonded funk. so my journey has just been a deeper and deeper and deeper journey. and on buttons, deeper and deeper journey to project by diversity on every step. i was looking for the positive cause of different things, but the much behind every disaster, the much so the connections of the muslims. res, facing the islands against client advisors because by this these species extension, you know, of course in 6 will disappear if insecticides unleashed by the most you clause

will disappear if you want to be glad to say bench to feel everything green as long sandra used to say in the convention eating, go everything green. green is the solution to live on. uh, a chemical design to just build degree is already go cycle. as i know the film shows how your assistant change your life. and albert einstein changed and changed your life. i said, said private capitalist inevitably, control the main sources of information. it's almost impossible for individual citizens to, to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of political rights. do you think that it may be very different from country to country, from continent to come to the information the war is being lost? the amount of lobby journalism i was surprised to hear you. i suppose maybe maybe your friends would not be surprised to hear that you were on the personal attack. i

know in the, in the film it shows your life was threatened any way, but you're on the bus to attack from magazines like to new york or whatever. do you think what you're saying can be transmitted in media publications, in massively profitable markets in western europe, in the united states? well, you know, for me what matt does is that it's transmitted. and you know, i can say this much just yesterday, a young does from newsletter relieves the book. and when she was off, what inspired you to this book? and she says, funding that she was writing on the green evolution book. sure. a young people over the place, they didn't get it from social media, actually books, and they could ruth search. so there's a king group of concerns group of citizens. well, very a week and i was looking every way they can to find the answers to the multiple prices because the name of the heavy machinery and it's so repetition utilize can

even predict what will be said. because of the food they're discussing is premium was in germany, and now buyers in germany should see all these they on the beach to attack and attack and attacks. so they don't come down. and to me, you know, so i did signs and cosigns means to know the to just to you like to know it's knowledge. that's my fashion. knowledge is my fashion. and just because 5 men page, the money michael specters and the month line is like trashy pieces. you know, i'm going to give up my passion seeking on says on how to protect life and i will go to that the shape of it. thank you. and that's it for the show. remember, you can watch the seeds of under this, even though and wellness even movie. don't come movie back next week with another brand new episode. but until then you can still keep in touch by all social media or if it's not the sense that in your country,

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