the cnn still the toner board. we go and see it goes a little shows in today by our intrepid staff. not me. oh, it's all about all the way to go. alley. for clarifying working people are not a special interest. tired of part, us and hacks. i start with that and i want to see that only to dovetail into the dichotomy of what twitter was compared to what twitter has become. is a corner of the latest revelations that a national controversy known as the twitter files installment of the twitter files has been released this time dealing. how do you detailing how several government agencies interacted with the platform? and that's how you'd be saying, quote, the file show the f b i acting as dorman, to a vast program of social media surveillance and censorship and compensation agencies across the federal government from the state department to the panic onto the c. i a 300000000 people, use twitter worldwide,

and many considered in the hub for communication for news, for entertainment. however, these days it's taking a bit of a breathing, specifically because of the twitter files. so what are the twitter files that you may have heard about? okay, it is a massive data leak of quitters internal documents revealed by a hacker group that's called the impact team. these documents stay with me. they give us an inside look at the stuff about twitter that we never knew. how do we algorithms really work? their policies, the procedures, their biases, the link included more than $1700.00 files. it really is a, it's like a peak right into our twitter operates behind the scenes. so, for example, what do they do with your data? when you get on twitter, what do they do with you?

well, one of the things they say in this report is a twitter monitors direct messages and then shares their users location you. if you're in there putting in a direct message with 3rd party advertisers so much for your privacy, right? that's how they make money. at the expense of your privacy, that's what a file is also reveals that twitter promoted users that had a lot of followers even if what they had to say was neither relevant nor engaging. said the matter, as long as you get a lot of followers you, they're going to put you up. somebody who's a genius who has something to say, that's important. they're not. so what is it? it's more of a popularity contest, right? that's part of what the twitter files is apparently revealing. what else? well, twitter, or try to tackle hate speech. good. but then comes the question of what is hate? who's the hater? who gets to the side with us?

basically, documents of raise concerns about twitter is commitment to free speech data protection and it's algorithmic biases. but maybe the real question is the, the, the one that we have to ask ourselves, why would we think this is almost primordial right? why? why do we think that are publicly traded company? that is there only to make money? would really give a quote about fairness or balance or even truth for that matter. that's kind of about what they're there to do. by the way, the twitter files are not a one shot deal. it's a series of reports that are released by journal. this map tie a be a cover or a series of events that twitter chose to moderate. among the stories the twitter are actively suppressed or controlled the 100 by the laptop controversy, for example, the donald trump cancellation from twitter, the january 6th storming of the capital. there's also an installment the twitter

files that deals with how some users are shadow band. and yet another on how the u . s. military st. com to use as twitter, to run online, influence campaigns in other countries. and joining us now to talk about this is demari thomas, he's a video host. his show is called fault lines. i've been on a couple of times as a matter of fact and. busy actually being here, i'm glad to be here. this is important. it is important. yeah. and also, and by the way, just i want to go on the record with you as saying that i really, really like leaks. yeah. you know, i don't understand how we're living in a time when the people who criticize leaks the most. our journalists, super weird. we kind of where we should live for leaks was in charlie's right. i mean the information, how do you know what your government is doing, what various elements of society is doing without knowing what's going on behind

the scenes? this is the julia massage thing. right? exactly. i keep seeing these stories where the amazon b c's of the world and the new york times of the world and the cnn's of the world with the fox news of the world. all of them think the, the corporate media are angry when they see a report that gives citizens new information. they didn't know about their government. right. i may take the side of the government. it's something weird. you would think that media would be more inclined to, you know, we want this information, we want to know what goes on behind the scenes. we want to know how to sausages basically made. and it was very weird. i mean, even with this on stuff, they covered the stuff and then somewhere along the way, it was like this guy for leasing information about the state secrets and all of that stuff. how do you know what your government is doing? if you can see behind the st. exactly. so let's get to the twitter files. i know we, we kind of came in through the back door over there today. but, but if it's another case of somebody doing breakthrough reporting yes. where we have an opportunity to see as you say, how the sausage is really made,

right. what twitter really does that we didn't know about. yes. and what we've learned is that they have, if, if nothing else a very, what was the relationship with our government and maybe even part of our internal community? that is to put it mildly. i mean, a lot of people have suspicions about twitter of social media and everything that's going on behind the scenes, especially with the reaction with us. but i mean if you notice everybody was an uproar, it's like, well wait a minute, this is just the, so for media company, why all these people freaking out? and you know, with the release of the, to developmental ab schellenberg, or i'm barry wice. all it makes it very clear that yeah, they were freaking out because that was the incestuous relationship i think was where do you pointed to that? basically you ended up with a situation where these guys were having meetings with intel on information that you can disclose information to keep people shuttle ban content. or i was one of the pioneers of fuel usage of twitter, i believe. and twitter, i thought twitter was going to help us democratize our society. instead, it's now being partial about corporations by government. and i think what this

story showed is that the government has access to twitter and can shop things down where the rest of us can't right. now they would probably argue what we just suggested. but you know, if the government is telling you, hey, we don't particularly like this information with this information, that's what this information is going on by the reference. well, of course it's putting the pressure on the people to do one thing or the other. it's kind of like mainstream, either like radio or tv or any other medium you get, you need to control how information is being processed to the public itself. reading, we need to dictate what even if we can't necessarily control the entirely, we need to be at least crowded in certain areas to prevent it from going to places . we don't necessarily want people to find out. so somebody in the government can shut down information before it gets to me or even after it's out there. um, as they've done. yeah. and it's not free flow of information by definition, by definition. right. i mean, look at this point. so now i understand, by the way, if it's something that is, you know, uh, you know, state secrets, uh, you know,

the code to the nuclear bomb, even that something like that, i would say, okay, you know, national security and stuff, real national security. it's definitely not about not information about we found that, that our government is planning to, to bob and somebody. no, no, i wanna know. yeah, i wanna know if you're gonna buy mexico for 2nd floor or whoever the hell you're gonna buy. well, the old who classification would they think they would call national security. that isn't necessarily national security that's. that's why i think we need to realize in this country that our social media is become a comments like normally somebody would go up to dfcs last spring on a podium with some to that effect way beyond that point we. busy at the point where, if you mean something to say what is you to facebook? so any of the social media is the way that people accommodate information for one and explain it in another case. and so the same way that you may have influence on television or influence on radio and this point you need to have this kind of influence on social media itself because that's where people are getting the main part of this away from a lot of definitely a lot of the story that i read that was revealed by these folks who hacked the information from twitter. and i know the word hack me. so i might argue with

sensitive apparently, apparently mister musk right. cooperated with that eventually and just look, here's the information i want you to have you hit them up and you just okay. yeah, exactly. yeah. yeah so, so that's still good journalism. it's not like somebody handed them something. um, i guess one of the big arguments was the cold it uh, the way they treated the convent story. right. uh, what, what is your take on? so one of the sales rep um, reality institute has some to that effect, but basically what they ended up with was the government was trying to keep information on certain information on cobit going. that particular route. there was a huge amount of push back on vaccines mess all of that stuff. and so people were going after or let's say certain organizations were go out the door to say, hey, we don't like this particular information. we don't like that information, didn't matter what it was true, but it isn't, didn't, didn't like, let's say the direction of the information. you know, is one of those like for the sake of mankind, the safety of the world. exactly. you can't report that because it's going to make

people then think, yeah, that they shouldn't be vaccinated and etc, etc. by the way even it was approved. so they would say here real vaccine effects will side effects sale of course, even like as a medical professionals that have met the vaccine, it had certain effects, but overall it was better, etc. well, in their case, it was like it, we should have it in schools that we don't, we don't want that information out because people are going to use this information in order to take it in a particular right to go and get some of the, let's say measures that the government was using to try to deal with global. i think one of the things, and by the way, i think the whole coven thing just got away from us as a society. and it got to the point where cove. it became a screaming match rather than a conversation. and what a shame because once it gets to that point, no one's going to listen and everyone's going to be accusing the other side and the, and that's actually. so the problem, a lot of problems i see with the twitter files, the quoted one is the least that makes me go, oh yeah,

they were because that thing had no chance of work. well, it gets credibility. that's kind of the problem, right? if i, when he comes out and says, yeah, we shouldn't mess. going to be getting a bit later on. okay. yeah, we should use mask. well, he was saying that because he didn't necessarily want to deal with people go in and buying mask up in the medical professionals that have them, however, got credibility or if it comes out initially. yeah, this is, there's no way this is a lovely. and then later on you find out, okay, that was fun clarity about one way the other about which one? it was. look, coleman. jamal coleman was politicized too soon and too much. and i think if we had as a society at the beginning said, we've got a problem, let's get together and try and fix it. but we didn't try and fix it. we tried to fix it to meet our and whether we were a democrat or republican. and i think once that the pony left the bar and it was gone and you weren't going to get them back. i'll tell you what does bother me though you disagree. but it did become politicized. i mean, you can think of what trump was and off this couple sill trying to do the vaccine democrats and around it was like, well, i don't know, i don't know,

i trust it. but of course, let me go by and get said he wants everybody's of right. so yeah, what's the level of what's politicized? i think my thing is we have that number of people die that fast. just like there's, i wouldn't be the best buy, i want you not to move jamal, you've got that phrase because when we come back, the story is taken on a life of its own value. since we've been reporting on twitter, in fact, the people who wrote the twitter files have come under attack message board so much so that there are now people in the media going after people that like match i e, b. so mr. ty ebby, while we're on the air has been texting me. oh, and i'm going to share when we come back, what matt is saying. so i want you to react to match comments, stay there. we're going to come back by the way i have broadcast. we're i as a journalist as a latino, as an entrepreneur, i tell my story. i share with you what i've learned my successes, my screw ups, a lot of those. it's called the research because podcasts,

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the soap. welcome back. i'm rick sanchez. it seems to me that more more of what we read, what we are even allowed to have access to is controlled, probably more than it ever has been. right. and here's what i mean. you say it's not just for twitter. when you google a story, the number of sources that you're allowed to read to get insight or context is limited to a collection of filter new sites. for example, you will get the cable carriers, you'll get the whatever, see, and i don't want you to hear from the us tv networks, some top newspapers. and maybe maybe i'll get a sprinkling of some independent news or some. busy or, and papers, or outlets like the guardian and maybe the bbc, which is really not that much different from cnn. so if you really want a different perspective,

one that is not filtered or controlled by bigger entities. good luck. good luck. so that means a controlled information. so. busy is not just a twitter problem and it's kind of a everywhere problem. so we're back with jamal thomas and he's talking uh twitter twitter files to be exact can, can i share something with you? absolutely. look what i just got a little while ago. this is uh uh you know, mac, how you be uh knows that we've been talking about this. he and i started up a conversation and he's getting like i said earlier, really, i mean attacked a sale this. yeah. on the m s. nbc, the media and, and so here's what he just wrote to me today. so by the way, it's all the difference. paul told me he was in colorado. right? yeah. they say all of a sudden they say, i'm a republican and i'm not, i'm a political independent. i have a long history of criticizing both party. it's my belief, among other things,

based on what i've seen in the twitter files. this is matt thought you'd be texting me this morning. he says that the democrats are far more dangerous and more organized on this speech issue than republicans. but that doesn't make me a republican. you'll note that i'm not being allowed to make that case on the air he's right. made is on you. some of that, it'd be with us on that's on attack. basically came into the interview, going after them to even sit on such spect isn't going to be like a root canal. he was wrong. but when listen to what you just said, here's one of the best. i think one of the finest reporters that we have in the united states, and that's how you'd be nominal. a phenomenal german. yes, real journalist detail do. and they're attacking it is the weirdest thing in the world. he gets information to present information. this is what your government is doing on so what? so for me to make you have intelligence services, working with social media behind the scenes in a way that you don't know anything about and i'm exposing, isn't it like how have you exposed us that you're exposed to her taking sides of the government? been so that sort of like what sort of government pretty much

a bad thing is you shouldn't expose this particular information was seems ridiculous to me, which goes back to how we started the interview. what i said, i love leaks. yeah. and i can't believe a journalist or angry when people leak information that there's, that's what you were supposed to go. apparently they don't look at the treatment broken. people's brains, honest by right. it's the most bizarre thing. what else i seymour hersh was with me here where you're sitting right now recently and he said the same thing. yeah. well, you know, so the may is just, they've been gone crazy. it's almost as if they looked at it as the we need to protect by him in order to defend against something else or trump is very bizarre. here's the other thing. and again, matt thought you'd be responding to me this morning. he says, the idea that i work for mosque is infuriated, infuriating to afford to pronounce that. it's because english is my 2nd language though. yeah, i didn't hear his exact quote, but i clearly don't work from us. he rides rick as recent as events prove and which hassan in his it, if he had any on or,

and any ethics would be compelled to admit publicly now, i just very publicly stood up to a lawn on this exact question. so again, i could go on, but this is matt, ty, it'd be responding to the accusation that he's just, uh, you know, of carrying water metal. he was more so on the less, i mean, what do you say? probably so a part of and that's i left the, i think any journal is worth it. solve has just as much left as he does, right? because we're supposed to go added on truth. it's not like, i'm not here to represent the republican party run a democratic party, right? call journalism. i guess this point is i am just giving it to you straight with this is another thing that i'm taking sides on. yeah. so you may have the issue with the sense of shipping, and i think he's right, the democrats a more that, i mean, that's like they'll come out with a ministry of truth. and then they were shocked that the public freaked out about the fact that you haven't a ministry of truth and what was the point. but the point was, we're going to have this secondary body in order to get information to be. so for media networks, it gives them some level of coverage and say, well that body, the ministry of truth said that this was on for you. so we're going to predict

print it by way. meaning this stuff that they were doing behind the scenes, they were trying to bring it to the light of day using this edifice. but these guys were going to go along with, it's appalling and the fact that he's revealing it and people are shocked by this sancha. he actually went a step further. i don't know if you've heard word, but just uh, recently, uh, he left twitter. yeah. so if, if he really is uh, you know, uh uh what's his name the most that bite boy. yeah. then why in the hell would he see? you wouldn't think he wouldn't be doing promos for twitter. oh, not leaving twitter. he has just resigned from twitter and he says in his announcement that i've just read moments ago that he met tie e b is now going to dedicate all of his time to some stuff, right. which is coming up with its own twitter like platform, right, where people can have real conversations and not feel like they're controlled by the government at least for now. right. i want to stop when it was going to be that way. it could have been that way. i mean, all of the social media companies could have been that way. i mean, i think that's a problem for the government is

a certain information that inhibits their ability to do whatever they're doing from a purely audiological standpoint. and whether that's mainstream media of meaning, just traditional media, whether that's rated whatever that is, they need to weigh the corolla formation in a way that doesn't damage their particular point of view. so carolling twitter or getting influence any social media companies as a way to do it, especially from a foreign policy. is that what do you think? you know, i'm kind of a solutions guy. yeah. i would love to see um, you know, some sober minds come together on the left, on the right, in the government, outside of the government, and come up with a way to make me trust a twitter a gap, right? maybe even, you know, the new york times and yeah, maybe even i'm a suddenly senior or fox or c. and then again, yeah, it has that shift. sailed. i think from the american public, when you look at that, how the public deals media. yes. i mean, maybe it's not impossible. i mean the issue has credibility. everything's been what

for 5 years screaming that the boon heard trump over the finish line. you're going to problems with that is what we have them will investigate or scream it about. what does the manufacturing are going to problems with that meaning? one story after the next. next they just credit themselves and it seems always this credit in a certain direction for government. those very bizarre. both sides. yes. both. i mean, you know what you're going to get if you turn on fox news, your know exactly what you're going to get and you know what you're talking to everybody. martin is the devil and obama is the devil. right? right. and you know, and they may be, who knows, you know, but then when you turn them as soon as you find that, no, no, no, no, no, no, mcconnell is the down, right? and trump is the devil. and the fact of the matter is it's of heightened um you know, uh exaggerated conversation. yeah. that doesn't tell you new information. it just wants you to stay there. yeah. and they want to tell you what you already know about it. like doesn't, didn't work at all. i mean, usually it's very black and white. so we'd like joe biden is the greatest president in my lifetime is really, really, you know, is it under cutting?

i'm really been away, or donald trump is completely innocent of ex, away. it's let me, let me interrupt you for a minute before we run out of time and talk about something where i think we, you know, you said a little while ago the ship a sail. yeah. here's where i think the ship has really sailed and may not be retrievable. and uh, the idea that they can use these must mathematic algorithms, right? to know exactly what they need to say to me and not say to me. so it's, it's, it's literally using technology and science to program my brain. right. and that is what is going on in our world today. that is, that scares the hell out of that is terrifying. you're basically taking what was a propaganda vague, a turn to get into almost like a sites in a weird way and using social media event. winter does that? yeah, of course, the other way twitter files found out that it's even worse than what we thought. well yeah, that they sell it. of course, i mean look at facebook, cambridge analytical and the way the facebook was operating or even the test the

paperwork was running to see whether or not they can influence the move in the behaviors of people on their social media platforms don't use it when it gets to the point when the algorithms control it. that means the algorithms know exactly what you like. they know exactly what you don't like. yes, even though the nuances, the little some data points you said, so they're going to attack that every single day, except once we get to that point, the only thing that we can do to protect ourselves from twitter is to shut it down . but also i was a software engineer for years like a decade. and yeah, there's all sorts of information that we can glean from it and make models associated with how, let's say for engage a particular person who wants a particular thing. how to find out how much income this particular person had bought. maybe i have a couple, but also it's a database that has 6 what they all time. right? right. what they don't do upon the buying because you have all of the information also for me to the point, you know, that point to be, you know, their opinions even. what? so what jamal, what chance do we have against what she asked? as my mother, my, my, my sister, my brother, a guy, my brother's a copy, what does that solve all day long? that's all he does right then he finally gets home to be with his kids. he doesn't have time to do

a 1000000 checks on this stuff. he's going to believe whatever they put on there because their, their, their, their preaching is story and what they think of the story. and they're probably right. and also people have the ability to tune in some very narrow flights of what they want to hear. so if i want to listen to the options, i can listen fox and they can tell me how great i am all day. same thing with them as it is. yeah, i don't see. i wish i did. i don't see a solution, but i do, you know what i do say a great guess. thank off. thanks man, after really, really enjoy the conversation and i think it's an important conversation that we need to have audits. it's a real one. yeah. yeah. okay, well listen, uh before we go, i want to remind you of something. our mission, you know, simple really. um, i wanna do silo the world with the show. we've got to stop living in these little boxes, right? tools don't live in boxes, forces everywhere. how much address are we looking for you again, right here, help to provide some direct impact

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