simon and lack of this in the world. the 0, the she's a lot of years to the system that destroys funding. that was one of the pioneers who started the global see movement. owning intellectual property rights is a book that didn't come to him at the gym. and you can watch the seeds of the machine now and run the she the movie to come. but now the legendary veteran of w t. o. seattle. 1999 in calculus battle since dr. under the shiva joins me from there. i don't in india, thank you so much of the for coming back on the show. before i even get to the amazing documentary, i really think everyone should want you to understand more about you rather than just talking to different conferences gives a different type of perspective. i have to really begin because this here is the 38th, that of a 3 of the bo paula. that does us to build is one of the largest. so maybe the

largest industrial disaster in history. why do you think it so emblematic of all your fights? and struggles and work on uh on how capitalism manifest itself. and it's war in the book will be in google and disaster because the goal is by abi political bond. genocide brings together the fact that development in the 3rd world is the introduction of toxics and boys as they should be posted in the 7th. ready from union call by call by the hand and in the future, forming a big of a red liquid over farmer, applying his speed. and it literally became the, you know, the base of the houses die because the pesticides conflict and till that time, as they used to say the idea of the other or just the best,

the sites historically for us name, a beautiful tree with bush and gold as on the left, which is what it scientific name is, isaac director. and because i started on the date of the football disaster, no mobile bonds listed on to me because we have saved phones and digital with century. then 10 years later, the name is batch. and to then 5 to 11 years, i felt the case against the u. s. government and the large. ready company joins, he has the patent on pesticides, properties of me. so we have color superstitious, rerecord ignorant, and all knowledge was taken. and bobo was totally avoidable. it's the non wireless fonts. in fact, we got you. this was all thoughtful. thousands of us had not been interrupted by the green revolution. like talk 6 and chemicals. introduce in the name of development. we want to get on to all those the themes, to an extent when it was,

as you know, union carbide. as was in a bay, there was an advocate settlement. i know the 600000 are effected. some campaign is save. 120000 continue to suffer to this day may be 15. no one really knows how many died, but they were very clear. i know it's been taken over by dow chemical, dow jones, the 1980 full gas leak. and bobo was a terrible tragedy which understandably continues to evoke strong emotions even 20 years later. but up in the wake of the gas released union carbide corporation. and then jim, in warren edison, what diligently to provide aid to the victims and set up a process. all the claims arising out of the release was settled years ago at the expense of direction and approval of the supreme court of india. why do you keep going on about it? if, if it's still so important, i suppose the morning anderson grand a week and there's enough for records about is escaping from india. second,

that settlement brought about a $100.00 to each person which has nothing to cover the cost. definitely the nothing to cover the, the supply. you talked about union call by having the most my job, but doubts has been has most of the du pont and you phoned and all have a beautiful name today. quote a but i. so you and miller recognize and connected to union carbide, new research and showing how union carbide which pretends to have existed. india actually keeps existing to shuttle companies. so the amazing investigative journalist following up the policies and savvy every 2nd and 3rd of december in go above the marches against the continued crime, a guest moved on and the continued injustice. there was no justice delivered by call by to date. but we invite the chief executive of court, a variety representative from these newly changed named companies with

relationships to the bobo disaster, which they denied. and of course, they denied any connex. it's the past they might, they might say. but um, what about, well, a geo political realignment, because i did mentioned the indian supreme court and i know that a b as in the film in a very emotional moment in the film razor gone to personally. but on the supreme court level, they agreed to the settlement back then about bobo could things change again? could india know to act so much as a vassal state to washington, which was a long suspected when it came to that settlement and start to exert some kind of sovereign power against us multi nationals given realignments between china and russia and all the rest of it to the what's been going on this? yeah. as you know, even of the time when the supreme court is rudy,

it was on the basis of a totally big for ya complain by the state. they represented all the victims as barrens. betcha. the bay was a veteran. and they could represent all the victims, the victim said, your top 75 out of people to die of those cases. some of them still continue. so i do hope that a new jurisprudence of courage of compassion when image once again, because often log into the land them handbook land of non violence in some fashion . and we should use every level of justice to bring compassion to the full. but is there any change can that'd be a change given the supreme court made that judgement years ago. it's already done business. oh with the you know, they all of these new situations which to the for example, all you know, i'm a big, ashton does well. maybe legal, that's a straight 16 today. the supreme court is here in that case in austin. but

government show us the reason why you didn't give us the pool that there was reason behind it. so you know, it takes one judge of conscience. it takes one new trigger that connects another tragedy to papa. and of course, these cases can come back. well, as i said, all subsequent companies, denial liability and relate to what you 1st said to be in this interview. the soils of india may have been destroyed by a union carbide back then. but according to you, this oil is being destroyed every single day across the global south. how exactly do you tie up? this incredible network of u. n. agencies will be going to make for, and the i'm asking you multinational corporations, all these different interconnected elements, are somehow connected to that. so such a basic thing on life. one of the soil as well, you know,

i was my head was all in quantum theory, atomic physics. that's what i was studying. and it was into the 1980 for the year of the whole book by disaster but also the year of the punjab disaster. when pauses of people died in new widens that i was compelled to work to the united nations university to study what was the green revolution? where did it begin? why are we using chemicals? why are we destroying the song? so i did the book while as the green revolution for the united nations university, and i found it all every chemicals of to be the ancestors, all the chemicals. oh, it does gemini, i g 5 and i'm the american partners. you know, while i was living forth between the nazis and the allies, the companies were working together to use for socio and finance to make chemical stand. the noise broke the rule of the finance and the false appeals. germany brought the chemical expertise and that expertise to go into the chemical industry

recycle the boys in contact because the names change so frequently it's impossible to keep up with their names. but one thing that has stayed to out from the thirty's to now is the manufacture, boise, and they claim that it is necessary to good food. why? of the soul as across the time? because the process of making nitrogen fertilizers to bonnie fossil fuels at high temperature to fix that mistake, nitrogen is the same process that made explosives. when you apply on your nitrate to the solely, you're already up to the source or living organisms. assorted di, sewing is living, it's fungi, back to you guys. a 12 is what creates the facility and create light in the side. this toxic substance stops to feel like the saw it. so it does up on the one hand, but it's so inefficient. only 10 percent is used by plans. 90 percent runs of as

pollution, want to dead zones in the ocean with even more seriously during the climate discussions, the silence on life is offsite. hides the issue of not should personalizes and contribution to the climate disaster. one kilogram of nitrogen personalized. so use this to me, just the diesel, it mixed carbon dioxide plus nitrous oxide, which is $300.00 times more damaging to the time and then carbon dioxide. and they have time to change that makes it close at the side, those the vicious cycle all deserved vacation of the interesting a minor such a bedtime showed that the same crop it had to be to typically use this 10 times more water than the crops contribution don't panicky, so now i'm just not the scare settlement on the left on the planet walters. was that as well? just trying. i've been job has been absolutely designated. and new bed rate industrialized we touch it is the licks i disappeared and jim is disappearing. so

all the multiple types is this, the face today, the green revolution, industrial, agriculture based on fossil fuels and fossil fuel chemicals is, are the root of the shaver. i'll stop you there. more from the world renowned environmental this after this break, the the, the,

[000:00:00;00] the the welcome back to going out of the garden. i'm still here with that the globalization pioneer the sheet. of course john list will cover what happened in bun job as me of the ethnic strife. and that's a conflict of point very well made in the filament,

when you see the rockefellers, a foundation would say, yeah, that was long ago. the nazi links to these companies historically, whether it be that or ford, for instance, you know, during the, these links the endurable that we should ignore them at these are the companies sponsoring all the climate conferences. they us, once during the green revolution there, sponsoring everything. and in fact, when it comes to what you said about fertilizer, of course the, the greatest uh, uh, freelance real capitalist uh, bill gates, uh, the founder of the pentagon contract. uh microsoft. he said in stark contrast to what you're saying, i, i've never been shy about my passion for for otherwise. it's a magical innovation that is responsible for saving millions of lives from hunger and lifting millions more at the poverty by boosting agricultural productivity. i'm not saying he has something to do with the silence on nitrous oxide i. he has a lot to do with the science and microsoft saying, because in his book,

dealing with atlantic catastrophe is standing in front of a book. the 1st like the factory saying i love for july so and i'm happy of then i know someone who can be made copy of my you and also for july's obviously doesn't know the life of the soul. he doesn't know how promise code to the living. so i to grow more for the more for to so as the trilogy, the moya, for production and the more the nutrients you know, food. so the size on the personalizes is quite clearly driven by on the one hand, the fertilizer industry itself. and during this period where the price is happening, it's less, eliza price is a charge up. what is the 4 or 5 companies that make money? those companies then is the 1000000000 the funds, the asset management bonds, the black drops, the man does mr. gate directory. as a boss, millbrook center,

the, you know, the alliance with the green revolution in africa was a join to lines of broken villa and, and mr. gates. so it just, the visa started things on the past. second. and my books on the as history off didn't take reductionism, you know, it was real casela which find that old the research on eugenics on finding the money to was of determinism, in life. and that is what shape the reduction is biology that they gave us. the deduction is genetic engineering. they haven't bought out of this issue most important. boeing just before the glass full of summit, rockefeller with new york stock exchange. a no. so the one now the creating assets, not you assets companies, but they will not own nature as a financial,

as this is going on in the cost of climate is going on in the top of the city is going on in every phone and food security call we are witnessing the fine naturalization of nature, and through the financial aid station, a new extracted us, which creates magic by saying, the real economy, the lives of dine, the saw is dying because the stabilize. now we will, but on wall street and the kind of collapse we created in 2008 would be nothing. we will now manufacture a full housing, trillion dollar economy, which we will control in a big business week. so yeah, let's stop the game. continuing. it just the speed of chain, the 5, the gypsy, but the logic of to turn it in control over life is what guides, every aspect of growth fellow dates and the billing at club. but you being saying that the they have a malign influence. of course, there is an entire class and entirely clause involving the lines for the green

revolution. and so many of those who disagree, i have to say that given there are these a lead. so obviously they can afford organic in wisdom countries, organic food, or it's any labeled organic food. and to get away from the devices of pesticides, the very rich is can. so how does the, how does it affect us insight as if we don't teach organic food? because there's one mention of it in the film very briefly. what, what is the micro biome, and what are all these different companies? will these agencies, what it, what do they, what do they mean for actually what's going on inside us? they obviously deny any wrongdoing. and saying, all that they are doing is basically part of that green revolution which started decades ago in fed, uh, 1000000000 people that would otherwise have stuff to death when a visual so effective, they wouldn't be a 1000000000 people hungry to date. and the funny a honda was sporadic,

it was needing for example, to the british colonialism, extracting super sunglasses party by treaty and from india. and in the process you create a 105. and then this is all on because the structure of this plan including the 5, but how the was our agriculture produces who cannot eat the food big girl because the great commodities at high cost, there's lots of glory. so they're just silly. everything they grew just to be back . yes to these that the issue of how this is was from of how we a meet to think of food begins with treating agriculture as an external input system just to put left dealing with chemicals in it is treated as production separate from totally separate from us and then i hope it's purely the big problem

using on diseases when you manufacture. so take the fact that buyer, which knowledge bought what central says life of seat. yes, cancer and the w h o has a black procedures. akash image, that's bad, that is bad. your up now often many coal cases up for 2nd periods or this, the band is slowly this due to be taking it and they have been ottoman. they haven't banded 40, but the same company then brings you a bunch of discounts that drug. that's a fine bias house in india to try and strike down our laws that prevent this time to for not be but what size is showing and what people knew, you know, people could just hold for these. i mention i am a though. i'm not sure about the food is limited to the food is limited. so now new science and new research showing us that the biodiversity of the sewing micro biome

which treats the launch the vital chemicals and richness. the feats of got to micro biome which is a 100 trillion fellow beings with enough only 10 percent of us. the live streaming barge of us is the gotcha micro biome. and the good to micro biome is so sensitive . all those microbes, new unit, different food. so we have to each diversity, they have sensors that can test the top 6. they can test uniform with you, which is another issue, this new faithful based on g, m a. so yeah, which has moved with his bread into everything. but by the time that money to it hits all got it's an attack and we get tired of gees vehicle, all kinds of problems. so they've got to micro mind as opposed to then we must tend to the take care of it. and you can only take care of it by taking care of the photos outside in the sun and then the hops again and again in the film as you progress in your journey to where you are now, you question uh

a things and connections and interconnections. but why do you think that the doctors are routinely a nature countries treating at every more allergies? so they say on the clustering, these links necessarily, or 0, actually, the mall, dispensable doctors, the more informed doctors are actually making these names. i know these 3 kinds of specialist will give me the clinics in cities and started organic. want to say i would preach my patients by growing good food and nurturing but not to my for bye. and of course, most of the people in the, in, i don't call it the health sector because they not providing health if they will provide, you know, they be thinking of food. they're basically part of the industrial medical complex . they're just running the 10000000 of the medical representatives come, they located these drugs and it's

a machine to sell medicines and drugs. look for the she was real for low. did to bring that with you should she also did to our body and basically you tried to come to life every system of those day that has existed for eva. india's, i believe it is more than 5000 years old. and every attempt is made to rubbish it but to which they would say, but to which they would say, life expectancy has increased up to the green revolution. the fact that counts as a more prevalent is merely because people are living longer and that allergies are somehow diseases of affluence, you know, you know what's written about in the press. and i know in the film huge talk about lobbied journalism to an extent what what, how the case of punjab it's so yeah. when job the, what the hell these people really hard working to different job is a focus of suicides because of debt and kansas because of pesticides is against a claim that leads spend job and it's not because okay, but likely pregnancy is high then it was under the british? no, no, it's no that's

a pick up on people. young children of boeing and discounts of trained children not getting cancer. it is not just the old people. i mean, you know, why do i pick up the film shows many steps, which i took on the challenge and addressed it to things create outreaching me on necessary home to the up and on this revise and speaking and beings. bobo was the wireless to be both been job was it was wireless to people and volumes for the up. and they, i ask the question, why do we do it this way? why this funds? and i've went through the structures and then of course i can't live with the why lives and, and then i, this is a big i must find been on bonded funk. so my journey has just been a deeper and deeper and deeper journey, unknown buttons, deeper and deeper journey to project by diversity. on every step, i was looking for the points at the end of different things,

but being much behind every disaster the much. so the dimensions of the wireless re space and the balance against klein, it's landscape spite of us, these species extinction. you know, of course in 6 will disappear in sick decides unleashed. ringback 6, by the most you clause will disappear if you want to use life was a meant to fill everything green as long sandra used to say in the convention eating. so everything green green is the solution to live one up a kind of go design to just build the green is already go cycle. as i know the film shows how your assistant change your life. and albert einstein changed and changed your life. as i said, private capitalist inevitably control the main sources of information. it's almost impossible for individual citizens to, to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of political rights. do you think that they may be very different from country to country,

from continent to come to the, the information the war is being lost? the amount of lobby journalism i was surprised to hear you. i suppose maybe maybe your fans would not be surprised to hear that you were on the personal attack. i know in the, in the film it shows your life was threatened any way, but you're on the bus to attack from magazines like to new york or, or whatever. do you think what you're saying can be transmitted in media publications, in massively profitable markets in western europe, in the united states? well, you know, for me, what that does is that it's transmitted. and, you know, i can say this much just yesterday. ready a young just from new zealand released the book, and when she was off, what inspired you to this book? and she says the she was writings on the green evolution by shirley young people all over the place. they didn't get it from social media, actually books,

and they could do that. so there's a group that concerns group of citizens. well, very a week and are looking every way they can to find the answers for the month of the prices because the name of the heavy machinery, it's so rep which is utilizing even predict what will be said because of the food they're discussing is premium was in germany and now buyers in germany, they should see all these they on the beach to attack and attack and attacks. so they don't come down and just let me know. but i did signs because science means to know the, to just to, you know, to know it's knowledge. that's my fashion. knowledge is my fashion. and just because 5 men page, the money that might have specters and the month line is like trashy pieces. you know, i'm going to give up my passion for seeking answers on how to protect life, and i would go to that the she with thank you. and that's it for the show. remember, you can watch the seeds of under this,

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