the the parts of this piano cover us form a number of the tell in parliament, an editor of online portal mega chip, mr. cover us in one of your articles, you wrote about the quote, the dignity of interest in and the rides. and i think they're going to such an interesting worth. it's actually locked in in origin, which i'm sure is close to your heart and it means taking or accepting voice. do you think you're accepts its own worth separate from that of its american partners? and nowadays, let's general protection of the routing injustice can europe is the of being thoughtful that collective west it is that the width and i said it's a vision of the world that kind of seen the international community in that tiny for e met to of the western county sit, i mean the,

the western european counselors and some other down to like japan or korea. and this is something that is said, i focused to, i focused to, to watch the, the vision of other civilization that have a new quote. because we think that has a vision that to shape to themselves and the confirmation we didn't. well there me to the modern era, change it a lot to the china india in the future. all 3 guys did friends now in terms of the how would be think that that will be taught in this moment and that. so there is no primacy of the west out and speak to all the mon advocates. and i think we have a we need to learn a approach to the question in order to make all the parts

of the humanity can play equally. you've been talking about the dominance of the so called deep stay. there would be a, in europe, at least i do not prioritize immediate or economic interest of, of, of the tale nor other european peoples. but i think there, there has been some movement towards independence. for example, even you yourself have been a member of that movement. the 5 star movement, which came to power in 2018 on the platform of challenging of charity and challenging some of the precepts of neo liberalism, only to return to the same old policy is later on. i wonder if any meaningful authentic policy change is even possible in europe in this day and age through democratic procedures. because it seems that whenever people exercise their right to vote live by certain promises of politicians,

those promises on not honors later on. yeah. name and the french economies the see to see said that that's it. and you can and the change of the governments, you can change it. the policy has a visit to the idea that it is in the account, a call or call this what's the value and all the beaten by man as so the european union, the they, the side of the, for the people that they can observe. uh, they manage just then to release the protest or a single brass a but this protest, this cannot achieve with a change in the government the if nothing, the bodies united way. so it's quite a conservative but they won't do. the one is prevailing that in a europe and the study of the to change the date, the core file. what if you don't challenger the?

uh, the yes, romantic, or example the car in c d u is the sort of the changes that you said possible to over so. mm hm. now speak, can you about the, the, the monitors talk to you. i know you are in favor of inventing some new solutions and the you had spoken saber off of getting out of your without on the leasing turmoil. given the rather entrenched heat of both the tally and then the european economy. do you think these kind of a divorce from uh, from here without turmoil, is even possible. it is not a very easy to do something like these. even even now we're seeing that they've been in the nation and the world is going to they foster and the stinks, that's where i'm think about until a one year ago. now wire eh, in the we of the knows the new agenda. that's what the government's so it depends

on the the what's the decision on? so they just ask some country about losing power. if they decide that to the all the ships have a to see could the problem your own before the the tale and deep stayed for years has been associated with the anglo americans finance capital and a faction of central european industrial class, dominated by the drummond value chain, but i think it's pretty evident that that happened over the last, maybe year, a year or 2 that the americans have made a decision to throw the germans under the, under the bus. you know, they're trying to, you know, get old industrial capacity back to the united states and leave many european partners without access to cheap energy sources. that was kind of

a factor you see, that's going to have on both larger europe and a 2 in particular. the shift to between the, the western european economy and the, the russia left means the also the a rash. and that's the main shown that is something that to has, is that only a way of a store for you a base. they can just throw these ation. yeah. and all of them all during that, germany, italian and the franchise to stay as the we have known to do now. so there is a new balance in which it, there is that domino. so from the united states, for example, the energy supply chain, and this a very costly for the industry and some to somebody's a thinking and to create a new economy of war as a solution for the new shift to any of these is very dangerous because

a means war for here is the russians have spoken about europe from lives. 12 of the, of us talked with russia serving as this mass of land, a bridge between western europe and south east asia. but most course clearly now more concentrated on integrating into bigger your razor getting along with china, getting along with india, pakistan, even of ghana, son, you know, many other countries that inhabit the region. but this is a, an interesting dimension. do. do you think europe can exist without being integrated into a bigger you ration? do you think your of can be integrated into the bigger eraser and without changing its values for us? because within the region of areas in your region, organizations a totally different side of sets of values that from the ones that european politicians or your opinion leads profess. i to dig day the officer because

they are the bodies because the utah fan, the russia for example, that have a common ground with which they could easily understand themselves of saying that many aspects of culture music is the way of life and leaving it is not to a question of the ideological differences, even if someone is called the exasperated is aspect. and now, many economies, including european economies, are forecasting a pretty rapid decline of living standards within many european countries that traditionally have enjoyed putting good lives, including germany, including easily. and i want to ask you specifically about the germans because they like that or long and historically, when uh, this social structure got too much out of balance or, you know, they lost the usual dignity of the usual comforts. they responded in pretty

aggressive, militaristic, and sometimes in humane ways. i understand of history, never repeats itself. exactly, but do you think, um, how do you think your german neighbors may react to this new economic situation? economic an industrial situation that is brought about by the conflict in your brain, even if this history is not a mechanic and machinery. and there is something that could happen to have very dangerous needs in the losing the economic power of the germany. because for example, the middle class, these kind of being the backbone of modern and democracy in italy, in germany, in germany, in the facets. and that there was a balance that's good to make that the people at she did a lot to the new, the securities about their own lives in destroying the middle class to this training. all this backbone of democracy creates

a they the conditions for something that could me a quarter for a strong man and adapted besides sports, but it works for everyone. and the, this is not a question of being the classic of germany, that reaction with his weight. but the, the general economic price is good, the trade dare at program of this information. do you think that you're repeating the least? i understand that the, the, you know, the time and privilege and power is ultimately conditioned on, you know, the, the perception and the quality of life, of ordinary people in, in your, i think this is quite to a simple equation. the only way to achieve the, the, uh, the cost to insure the energy, you know, new economy, you know, new era over abundance is to have the, at the see show me in the oil and gas over russia and the,

all the things that's good to be broken by russia in or t l, for example, let's, let's not forget china as well because uh there are now you have conversations about how europe should build this relationship with china. whether it should be affected or dictated by the united states or not. yeah, we lost a may chance, excuse me, the last 2 years in the trading with the china. so we can see this in the war and the syria or the war in the green lights too. and all the stuff goes to the city today. most enrolled the michigan, so the new field corrode and china is a and then the bigger power that is becoming, be getting this a era that's could be even new to the end. it's certainly a day to, to buy and russia. and so it's very clever from the european

point of view. so we now, sir, this is the role of russia why we lot for printing with china for if i don't seem to fall were of times, well, a series of conclusion. the one has to have a pre to your broad scope of mind, and i thank you for exhibit thing is today. thank you very much for this conversation. thank you and thank you for watching hope to hear again. when was the parts the

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy that it will be successful, very create ticket time time to sit just reset to november 22nd 2022.