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a debt john list every 4 days with accusations of missed reporting, fake news, and we will propaganda by the modern day, so called mainstream media. is it any wonder that last year it was the deadliest? no one in the end with on wells? is that such a profound effect with our understanding of the nato, a nation propaganda model of journalism? then one of the most cited living scholars in the world? no, i'm chomsky in the past 24 hours. he is cool, so you can us authorities to release which he likes found. julian assange tortured according to the un by the birth issued in london, the father of all the linguist sticks and co author of manufacturing consent joints, you know, from tucson, arizona. thank you so much for visit chomsky for coming back on going underground router a quite a quite a long time and they won't even allow julia to sondra is being on this show. be able to watch our interviews with them on rumble to the funeral of his friend, vivian, westwood, the famous fashion designer. why given reports of his deteriorating health? uh uh,

they so intense the british and the americans on keeping him incarcerated julia's message emitted degree of crime. he exposed crimes of state which state power wants to be suppressed, that cannot be tolerated to attack on the power and dignity of the state authorities. so has been treated very poorly for years. he was actually locked into what's called an embassy, but it's actually a small apartment not allowed to do a shred by police, but any was put in a, a prison to this quarter, the harshest repression in american history. the wilson administration,

the bitter attacks on anyone who questioned the nobility of the participation in the 1st world war measure a tax on labor. and this is shown intellectual opinion to support of the oppression should and then nor much impact on american society, listed until the present latency is true. it's been used for essentially the purpose for over and over the most extreme was actually a rock obama of the card case is saying, just being charged on to the espionage, it could not be on the books and then a democratic society of but to the main crime is, is exposure materials that the state once suppressed,

you've been attacked uh, most of your life pay. uh, so it goes mainstream media, but do you think it's getting worse now? you might have to remind some people about what you and at the home and setting manufacturing consent to differentiate propaganda from, say, styling is sylvia at times. because the actually there's a viral video of a bbc reporter andrew moore. i think his name is and he says, do you, what are you talking about? no one tells me what to say, and you will, you might remember what you say to have back. do you have to change the propaganda model with julia massage in jail, with the banning of the literature, music, sports press in the, in the native nation landscape. whereas before, it was done in a slightly more well as you describe the most structured and more complex way

i think actually in many ways better now than it was before. one reason is that many journalists have simply live through the liberator. in effect of the activism of the 19 sixty's which share many barriers this after math, which continues, this is part of their formation, tends to make them more free and open. you look back to the say, 196. these are the ideas, questioning authority, barely a rouge of take the vietnam or the worst crime since the 2nd world war 2 years detroit organized in a position to it. i happened to live in boston, which is the most liberal city in the country. we couldn't have totally

demonstrations against the war because they would be violently broken off. a tried to have meetings in churches of churches where it was years before you could finally get some kind of protest against this or in this atrocity which by the time protest, right, really develop to almost destroyed 3 countries. but through that, there's been a change shown in the war currently raging in europe of the, you know, you look at bernie sanders advise them at the us diplomatic summit settlement would mean ukraine surrender every single person in the bite. and the d. n. c, the democrats voted to supply weapons to ukraine. the senate approved the resolution to support finan in sweden, in nato. i only rand paul and john harvey to have a g o. p 's and it just voted against a you have a the entire i mean, all 6 of the so called score,

the democrats all intent and they're all no demonstrations to stop the, the profits of raphael in general dynamics. boeing, lockheed martin, and also government. another difference between for so we should discuss the suppose isn't there, just to cation, but what different today from the 19 say 50 years ago is there is debate and discussion if it's over well mainly the other side of state power and official doctrine that it exist go back to the 1960, that barely even existed. there was no indication of it no more. for example, that was essentially no position to if for a long time, finally broke out. and we should be,

we should recognize that the civilizing effect of the activism most of the young people in those years. and since has had an impact, there is no ranges to be discussion of people like me, of course, can't get into the mainstream media, but we never could. that was impossible. and though at least there's alternative ways for voices as well. actually, or, well actually you your name as being mentioned in main stream media and it's being famed and i don't know whether you want to take legal action. you're a trench and critic of allowed to have put in. and yet, if i look on the internet, the big publications calling you a put in an apologist when you've spent the every week since february, the 24th. and we moved to as the russian c. it protect the people who've done best

use events criticizing for that. do we have food? why did they call you a boots and apologised? because a, if you deviate from official doctrine, you're condemned. is an apologist for the enemy, is the state you talked in the 1960 isabel is a trying to bring lives are in this war in vietnam. do it in your cold and apologised for her g mail. okay, that's just standard technique, vilification. you know, order answer or humans, you through motor people that's normal unexpected. but to today, if you look at the main stream establishment gerald foreign affairs major journal, you actually find the range of critical commentary. actually not all the different

from things i say will a duplex years. you didn't have that just marching in a period. furshly notice it. but of course, in se brittany, they banned c g t and the chinese channel from broad costing r t. a famously, why is it that you think russia thinks it's fine? i think it's like a lever of this week giving a press conference allowing west and reporters accreditation. whereas in the united states, they obviously don't ban media in the us because of the 1st amendment setting in europe. obviously there's mass binding of journalists and journalism. what's behind that? and that truly does depart from what from manufacturing consent, where they didn't want to ban anything. they just knew that the low selling outlets

would fail to engage the populace in, in decisions opinion, is it, 1st of all, let's go to uh, you look through the say is, take a more recent event, the erac or not that far back. anyone who dares to say that the record was the major crime of the century, which it certainly was, is bitterly denounced and condemned. if you look at the discussion in the main stream, you'll be hard put to find anyone who disagrees, couldn't reach the main stream. who will say the elementary truth in this, in disputable truth. that the rank was an example of what the nuremberg tribunal called the supreme international crime. a crime,

a direction which differs from other war crimes only in that. it includes all, was the evil that follows. so find somebody who says prison bush, donald rumsfeld, dick cheney were guilty of the crimes for which people were. i did not remember and said what you have is celebration of george bush, the great criminal who is able to do rec enough gunners to destroy the celebration of him as a lovely person to school, the goofy graham place with his grandchildren painted pictures just a delightful person, well, that's the radical it's for, it's quite striking that anyone who dares to compare your rank or was the

russian ization of ukraine is viciously denounced. harvard university even had a debate in which the debate was whether the rack or can be considered a humanitarian intervention. a debate? suppose in moscow university had a debate, whether the russian invasion can be called a humanitarian intervention. can you imagine the reaction in the west? it was the reaction in the west stood up and at or the close look at the openness of the american society there reason willing to question whether this military intervention was a humanitarian intervention. uh well thats manufacturer of consent. let me give an explicit example. recently, there were couple articles in the mainstream press saying there's no,

some skepticism arising about whizzer rusher was really responsible for the sabotage of the north stream. pray play, plunge promises the drum scouts stop you. the more from one of the world's greatest and most sites in public intellectuals off of this break, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with professor know i'm trying to escape american dissidents and co author of the pioneering book,

manufacturing consent. the political economy of the mass media. maybe they call you a, put in a biologist because you expressed doubts about a terror attack. that was one of the worst, is if climates and destroying gera tax given the amount of fossil fuels released. that's alone. this is what the sabotage means for energy resources for germany. you think that the mainstream media that said this must be the russians, could have gone it wrong. it means the least likely. the, the, the per a for state responsible for the services is rosure. it's, it's a pipeline that was of those and destroyed is largely owned by because we're all russian company. what possible purpose with rush it is in destroy.

it's in sabotaging its own major capital investment, which it counts on for supplying your it for us. one of the support, the stuff, the supply of grass goods, all it can do is turn off of the old didn't have to destroy each man. it's man the investment. so the least likely state of can be charged is russian. so of course, the western media immediately rushed on race to say, will russia's responsible, know they're raising some skepticism. that's called manufacturer of consent, shit to framework and debate within it. but it's the framework engine same. who's the likely culprit in the capability? well, just one state, united states obviously had the motive, in fact, was quite frank and open about saying that those were put not only opposing the

pipelines but saying that they'll be destroyed. the motive was not the secret, was perfectly public, obviously had the capability to interest at large naval movers in the region of right before the said that the major ship some equipment. so it took a bit literally in the mode is clearly nobody else said anything like that, the russians in the least likely cobra. so manufacturing consensus, let's have a lively debate to show who opened freely or but within the framework that excludes the assumption. but the possibility that the united states might have been involved with literally discuss to be with is least likely. cobra, it isn't, will. well, that's effective propaganda. your own g as in boy,

that's refutable. what do you do is set up the framework of discussion, which excludes totally excludes the of this most likely answer then debate or other things. during the case of the rec, you have a debate that harvard over whether was the recommendation was a humanitarian invasion. you don't have a debate over whether it was the a crime that kind of crime for which not so your current levels right now. remember, you don't want to open the question for discussion to discuss something ridiculous . was it a humanitarian intervention? when you carry out a shocking or attack against the rug, smash up the country, kill hundreds of thousands of people, of all kinds of torture and other trusts. and each, if i have just one of the worst crimes in the iraq war, was the battle for lou drew,

especially the 2nd battle us lose you. devastating destructive immersion tech, but as a moraine you should be gun was taking over the general hospital to more crime in itself than destroying much of the city doing? no, you know, shall many people because we ordered investigator on crimes. how is that? remember the united states? well, i'll tell you. the u. s. navy is no commissioning a new the so in honor of the marines who forwarded flew to school the followed you . and that's the way we deal with. one of the worst crimes doesn't get reported. of course, i should say the bible administration eventually denies involvement in the terror attacks on the north stream, as does the british administration of allegations the royal navy was involved in it . i mentioned that you were a critic of uh, that'd be

a page. and given that angela, michael says that the mens process was actually a delaying tactic to um ukraine. what would you have done differently? knowing that the politically within russia, vladimir putin was under pressure, given the thousands of people of the done bass being killed with nato, a weapons in, in eastern new grain. given that the means process was withdrawn for a number of years, it was adopted by the security council. what do you suppose to do after being told repeatedly that the the americans weren't going to go into your grand ukraine, wasn't going to join nato and actually it was, and they obviously we have the details of the crew. you, if you had one further negotiations you would have called for intermediaries with the french to this includes the story on the american will now says that it was

a delay for the original part of the evidence in the river. this report to claim the nothing at the time germany in france took it very seriously, were pressing for a modem of cream actually up and to couple of days before the invasion, federal loan interchange with coding. you can read the transcript, published in the french gross offering various ways to reinstitute something likely minsk agreement and prevent the invasion of purging rejected it at the end. the last conversation 4 days before the invasion. hey, simply reject the discussions with contempt. so sorry, i have to go ice skating or something like that. well, there were opportunities that was put in for

a vacation. you're quite right. lots of publication, publication doesn't justify aggression. aggression is a major crime. if you're, if you provoke me to attack you and then i have to ask you, i'm guilty. even if i was approved and for the people to defend their opinions decision as a, a mock of a new world order to avenge iraq. just one of the was in reason is that your government as being involved in has the global south come together. you currency is being talked about, new ways of talking about energy, perhaps even helping the climb. it's better than any comp, somebody's under the aegis of the united states. you don't buy that. you can believe in a global south with china or india,

lou loyal friend. and i'm brazil in russia altogether. and the depth depth of your up in effect, as well as a 0 major shift to the world or in the invasion of ukraine as a reaction to it is accelerated. this one effect of the invasion of ukraine was the, gives the united states that extraordinary gift put the united states in the gifted greatly real issues. it drove europe into the pocket of the united states. there's been a debate. so through the cold war, back to the 19 forward age as to whether you or should move in an independent direction, be what was sometimes called the 3rd 3rd force in international affairs was

pressed most vigorously. but charles, to go deliberate, are supposed to take gestures of calm and others, united states and stood and demanded what would be subordinate to the united states . this became a major issue with the collapse of the soviet union. garbage of proposed to common european home from lisbon, the state of the military alliances, no victors, no defeated, common efforts to move forward towards a more or less social democratic erasure. united states are strongly opposed, says that on the atlanta should report in just as inside of the united states, its highest wish over europe, at least temporarily,

is within, has abandoned search for independence. that is joining subordinating itself to the states to it's the same to which some would say they were already base is a gram stain in britain across gary over the united states for so so long. we're running a little bit of time for visitor on ski. i want to get to something really disturbing in what you've been writing recently. i thought you said and coming from the pioneer of generative grammar. i'm saying that's like loosely connected. you said that you man, that's what i mean given that megan mock level people now claims says she, she reads your work and i know you send a message to through the ways it was saying that you would please to prince harry's wife. read your what, what do you mean by a pathological, perhaps dedication to self destruction given?

we are talking obviously about things that involve them again and then i know the bulletin. if i don't make scientists, we'll be resetting the the clock next tuesday about how close, how long we have to live a little to be said, the doomsday clock in 1947, shortly after the bombing, the hands are set a certain distance from midnight midnight finished termination was the human species. uh, the 1st sitting was 7 minutes to midnight. it's us later over the years. during the trump administration, they abandon minutes move to seconds. so i said are a 100 seconds to midnight. january 24th. it will be said again, i presume the 2nd it will be said closer to midnight circle should be

the main concerns or increasing threat of nuclear war. the very severe and the growing threats of the destruction of the climate which is rapidly increasing. states are not doing what they know they must do to solve this core issues. the 3rd is the deterioration of an arena of rational, serious debate and delivery issues. with the collapse of democratic forces around the world. sounds at 1st is that doesn't belong with the 1st 2, but it does because it's only hope for dealing with the 1st 2 or 3 has gotten considerably worse during the past year. and unless there's a sharp reversal, we'll simply be heading for a pressure push, pulling over irreversible and not to distant future.

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