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class advised the trans atlantic slave trade as one of the greatest human rights abuses in the history of humanity. this is the biggest act of deep orientation of the people ever seen by mankind. the hello and welcome across stock for all things are considered on funeral about it. bringing the types inside russia has stepped up. it will be sent months. the recent drone to tack on the kremlin is the most notable, is this part of the long awaited ukrainian counter offensive? if so, what is the justice of this culture then said, is it to promote

a wider conflict the to discuss these issues and more enjoyed by my guess, george, send me while we in budapest, he's a pod cast, read the gamble, which can be bought on youtube and locals, and here in moscow across the dimitry, bob cheese, a political analyst, an editor, it interests me, internet and media projects are a gentleman, prospect girls and the fact that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciated. i, let's start out with george in budapest, you know, george w and i looked very carefully at the coverage of the drone attack on the kremlin, but not surprising the universe. so across the board wall, the wall rush, it did a to itself. okay. it's really quite interesting is that all false lives are committed by adversaries of the west, in a, in a other than that. it's a conspiracy theory. just think otherwise. i think there's something much more in

play here. toner, offensive, on what side, when it's gonna start may 9, you know, it, does this add up to anything to you at this point? go ahead george want. it's very hard to know, but you're absolutely right. be to false flag tags. oh, boy is what the us adversaries are engaged in the, you know, syria in and the russians whenever you know, whether it's north street. oh yeah. yeah. they destroyed their own gas pipelines. uh, you know, the yeah. do you know? yeah, yeah, this was obviously a, a russian operation and so that's inside it to explain why is if, if you say this about the united states, then you just, the crazy conspiracy is, is up. but in terms of the counter offensive, i mean, i think that will be a ukrainian down for offensive. i think it will start very shortly. i think this is a preliminary. so it's um, now in terms of what it's so of just gives, uh,

i mean, i think it's in just in order to keep live will go here. i mean, i, i don't think it's hands on whether it succeeds or succeed slightly or doesn't succeed as well. the money is going to keep flowing in, i mean, that's the, the us government they. so that's a bipartisan thing. they're just going to keep everything everything to ukraine. so if it's, if it's the succeeds that hey, we must give them all the bells we have to give them more to give them all because otherwise in wins. so either way they get more. so, i mean, i think that's the, that's the, the end game behind this, a comprehensive, you know, team a, you know, all of this, particularly you, we cover media very, very closely. you do all the hard work for the rest of our topped up. well, give us your thoughts as a russian about this drone attack on the kremlin because from my standpoint, being president of moscow is quite humiliating. to be honest, let's say the truth. go ahead. what would you see me though, of course it's

a so while the west and but a do some say the pressure did so. i mean my favorite is to do 3 t and you know, a green but a decent from germany. a full weiss, john seller, is you know, a full knowledge stuff was in the late sixties early in the seventy's. and only she said that the cold peace wouldn't be resolved all wedding to find inside the power at the right us. so i can just imagine, you know, above the rest of the need is low into the road in order to destroy the above the rest of the, the police suddenly, you know, see the striking dollars right over the store. i don't think i don't think was it was a full swear that that because the great and that suggest uh, it was a publication by russians. so there are options that we saw. we would have agreed that something terrible doesn't cover their stone a. let's do all right. and

a response that they be against the graeme and i'm not going to have that in the official announcement about the $36.00. so $8.00 later. because what's the square? thank you and how to present the, the people and the if, if it had been the publication, even the old, the media would be ominous. you know, in the next few hours say we must do something, know what it would make a speech or nothing happened. so he did it, wasn't it there, and russia really, we don't know well, because revenge is the, uh, the service cool. just the fresh say right. uh, but uh, you know, the new idea or full square that, that you know, that you see the, all the media in government to do that to states in the u. k. i mean this very need to say that falsely. i got, that's very typical. people can say, a conspiracy theorist, you know, didn't they shut down the, you know,

to some of the, them that say that they spread, you know, the conspiracy theorist of all the full slide it back in about a he the, you know, so, i mean, he sees the 100 by the laptop. okay, is it part of the wasted media in the west folks talking about russia? it's solely descends to the level of free media conspiracy theorists, you know, whether our feasible, i forgot the cables, you busy right? to destroy the song by one, by the fact that the gravity of, you know, this is also up. so these people should sense of themselves in georgia. you know, if you, you, you and i have come across this phrase as part of putting this playbook. the rest and play stuff but must be really big. it covers all of reality. does a lot more seriously, george. um, you know, i think we can all say we're more or less the same age on this program. and there was something gold, rambling all the g. remember in the day,

okay. it's going to got most things wrong. it just, it is weird. it's head. why would people talking about russia basically have no idea anything about the country because funding ups of soviet studies ended the day the soviet union came to an end. so you basically have a group of blind mice talking about something. they have no idea what they're talking about. yeah. that, but as i say they right, they the fact the people to whom they go in order to get expertise on russia have no expertise as people like julia. you all fit, uh, you know, these dyslexia stuff. people who are just simply paid to be the problem. oh yeah, they have a problem. exactly. i mean, you know, but somebody like julie, okay. who was blown and last year, i mean, her job is to be always uh, filled with hatred for russia. whatever russia does, she's on hand to tell him what a horrible b will terrible country is. and i know that's it's music to the is of, of the,

the american, the media big. it is a very interesting, i mean, exactly as deem a said, if it were false a flag attack, the russians that in themselves the bone were, you know, they would, they would be immediately on to launch the, uh, you know, whatever it was that they were planning to do in the 1st place and the fact that they didn't, should have been evidence of this evidence that he was the whole. so i get that. and yep, a story is continued over magazines, then you know, there's a numeral, they don't kind of interchangeable magazines, a website still around. but the days of the day is that this is a full swag attack. the very basis of it was on the a tool. and so that's, that's, that's the way they to what they are they present a rush it, you know, team of the, again, looking at the main stream coverage you have, which is just a, just put that a to say the least, you know, ukraine wouldn't do. so just like, oh we, we, hip, we've had assess the nations of the ongoing, we have had by means with that drone attacks. it's, this is have been

a very consistent of policy and big because of the, i think it is. it's obvious that the, the west particularly invited states just giving all the logistical intelligence helps to the ukrainians to commit these acts on russian soil here. a. so, i mean, again, speaking is a russian here. what is the reaction? because it is, the tempo is coming up and we're getting it more and more lost in here. and having particularly died duty now, which is a non combatant. ok if you can. you know, i mean, that dreadful assassination, we have that military blogger in, in st. petersburg, um, what is, what is the level of frustration here and dealing with this? well, i think some of the thoughts, you know, the famous rush morris on. oh cool is i think the best because these carnival people who call and also the good syria may may not be dentist. she says

that basically these campaign or artist that's on the 3rd floor is above the counter offensive. and i agree if your wife told a story, you know, these tribes that low deadlocks, these price, the railroads, they strike people, you know, uh, also well known people said ever just like the famous right, those that have to live in, uh, you know, dfcs as far exploded as bravo died. she miraculously stayed the wife, but was badly injured. and the, it's interesting to quote what the western media wrote about the lincoln, when she was free to go to just, you know, the need to solve the medium. well, did you just think about it just like about his uh, pretty assessing the, the chair and one of the mall and the be all, she has always be a joy to get what she does all was the way she was, that they didn't span in any way, you know, they just, even though she was, i knew for personally she was a very nice young that is absolutely. i mean that there are different views on the

range of a what is to be great, but the rest of the body to be it is. so the sense a mattress, a very good point to mean it's in fact with pregnant both it's russian. so l to the control of k of here. and so it's, it is a very low the western back us. um we have now this uh, congressional resolution that's working its way through um congress that the minds that the us support ukraine. everything that he can do in order to restore the ukraine to is 1991 voters. so now the us government will effectively be committed to ukraine being and it's like an idea on board has an effect or the rest of the us government is providing a blank check to ukraine to go full time is, you know, and his name is ad. i mean, that's an absolutely insane military bank ship, but that's not what the us government is committed to. so in a way,

so once it has to do this, because that, that's now the official us position. i will do that. but this is, you know, you have to get brian mailbox and basically the americans are determined to keep us logo and then not interested in any of these thoughts. any piece of the go see ation about george sold out. so we'll talk about these thoughts in the 2nd half of the program general. i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion. and so we only stay with our team, the, [000:00:00;00]

the gosh, there's a high quality of life to my destination is having the necessary conditions, the most part you can restore it most in terms of the number of hours available in a week to contact and being pretty sure, which is, which is why i would say to be conscious of your existence. what about take is across and why so existence or it would show you all the adults and it means one thing, but it was not going to cut them. we've, you purchased it mean to know that in some ways that the, if you're still exploring the, telling us you need something else that i'm just as though without it the, you are essentially a mundane person and shy. pronounce that as well. some of the

of the ultimate across software. all things are considered. i'm peter, although this is the home addition to remind you, we're discussing some real minutes. the ok is go back to the me here in most of the george brought up the 1st part of the program at the very end about this congressional or resolution basically of a codified it's bound binding. but i mean, it is rhetorically, very powerful, and it does influence policy to guarantee the sovereignty of ukrainian borders of 1991. is there a backdoor to to, to nato? i mean, basically that it sounds like, you know, that's what you would given me. so l y under the article bind, so they're just doing an extra on the side and going around nato because they know members of the european members of nature would never do that. they would be at least be divisions within the alliance. so this has got to blanket in and sullivan

and, and, and between new and doing a runaround. go ahead. well, i think lisa graham is also office of these are the that the instagram kind of that would be based molar 80. go up to it, right? so the problem with the west is that really confused, which just recently went to see the almost calculating dish. oh, the main street, i mean, the, the official a, all the ukrainian called or offensive is way to people why progressive? that usually is that you bring to speak at the locations proper, positional fools. right? well, that's exactly what i told you. no, i speak what a so that's exactly where that comes from point a semester. this seems like it's, you know, that you kind of called the right spot for the mazda service. so i give them a bunch. and then you know, the registry,

steve and these photos here to the site you use, the process of kind of a back was east of a shade, county ac, the builder wall in the sense of the flow of the sports. she was wrong in the 17th century. always. i mean, you live, that is the see, the west in general. it's not the fashionable book of all the beast, the way bullock talks about. right. but somehow the west adopted the bush position . they know that the exactly the point is but the position of the point is now for this. so the real nice additional sense i would, i would broaden it out. i would say a lot of the eastern european emigrate community after the 2nd world war. this is yeah, i think that it's kind of a combination george, you know, you're living in in hungry right now. i mean, you know, good reason not to like russians, but the home gary in government, it has taken much more nuanced positions. it kind of bucks, history. go ahead. george. right. the different position based us. um,

i'll think of it that by victor or by the starting work go home, get this thing. but oregon understands that this is not 1956. i mean, there are many younger is it still when a wrapped themselves up in 1956, much are poland, always wrapping itself in 1939. but somebody and people live or by and say, look, soviet union is not russia. this isn't about russia seeking to exert itself on the non russian people. this is it for him. this is just a, a conflict between bravo slavic people's. i mean that, that's it, but it has nothing to do with us. and that's a, that's of a going to be a sophisticated position, but it's worse than your, of the post. let me and then just listening to what, or because this is always we ask dan, this is a long going debate. the george and i have had on our, our podcasts, the gag. well, you know, russia is always reacting. it is been reacting since the start of the complex. is

that something that's a pretty, been arguing be being made now in russia? because again, going back to this drone attack that's, you know, getting ready for the big 3 day parade, you know, have the, you know, the, i can guy i saw and cnn, or something like that. you know, the camera was just miraculously, you there, know those camera was there for the parade. okay. they're getting ready for the great. so, i mean, they, they, it, what is the thrust of public opinion here is that people getting tired of reacting or, you know, just believing in the plan, go ahead. what were your executive right of all the camera? i mean the, they seeing that there, the little bit states, the red square is always few. you know, because it is a huge, very important square, some bought all kinds of width instead of that, oh, i got beat up all the ask you the oddest, you know, you know, they exist this take worse than the engine off in the french, psychiatric, these are the freedom far more than the rest of this. i know he's in 1st grade as

far as a bunch of i'm anyway. uh, what i want to say is yes. uh there will be a founder fits. it's all right. who will be? i don't think even though it was, it will all depend on the situation in general when people say, oh, what is, what is, what is platform? i mean, things changed when you have a kid to come flat age and you know, the, even so the was change depending on the situation. right. and what i can say is that i agree with george and always he says that basically at this point is people don't understand. so what is the language of strategy? i mean, by all his actions for a show that she never did never was to pressure either showing it with the service in the, in the follows, you know, showing them many times, you know, she can wait. what little gestures and in general, i'm sorry, but this is typical for us of what is it, you know,

there were 2 approaches you the west, you know, really brock will want to, uh, you know, get you to close out through move points and then what was the position, the other best employees are just like, just stay where we are and that's, you know, wait until the boat down. and when a brown supported see what i mean. a lot of people on the risk complete the other, the influx over the, you know, german, a russian unable, you know, that jacob, closer to each other. it was much more than one of the reg as pressure. you know, it was the biggest, the, for the job at the concerts that see the in the, me, they just the same thing. east. you have chinese approach, which was from me that you have japanese a problem which was just, you know, no peace treated, but we've done cool. what do you return us the q row? let's try that. what does that mean? you know, we have nice relations based on developing. the pattern is what are these so and what it says beam 50 years ago, 60 years ago, it's the same. no rush,

it won't because is the 6 of the pressure well doing face because you would solve this. so uh indeed the, i think this, this product, if it shows anything, it show us that the banker is salma who says on these, the aims wants. and some of the things that doesn't bull on the pressure the that side. but so, you know, they did, that you can talk to rochard from a position of strength. and the don't, it simply is not what you mean to be an example. and she stood when it was so no sex except you know, george, the, the problem is the way the west is framed is conflict and ukraine. is it, it's a purity test. it's a moral as it was ational choice and all that. but then that is a complete and dead and use for the reasons that deem it just the numerated. i mean, you can see if you can talk, you can, and that okay, it only for school ended and that's a part that's

a dreadful position to be in for. particularly the soldiers in the conflict and the civilian population in ukraine. and then the secondary elements of all of these sanctions that are impact in the global economy. that's exactly right. i mean, the west has framed is as good versus evil. it's always hippa, it's always a style, and it's always the matter. you know, if we don't prevail, then evil prevails. i mean that's, that's the way they are. we have to fight them over here. exact ways over the fulton is that kind of a combination of people are in style and it'd be in a depends. it's an amazing how are they big frame that. but the interesting thing is that when you have somebody move my chrome, my chronos expensive, they fix the fix, the view that, well, if we have an offensive the bi ukraine, margaret was successful, then we can have peace thoughts. and i think he probably doesn't want to have a piece or, but it's going to be swept aside because by the americas, the americans, you know, in public say, yes, yes, we will, we, we, you know, we, we, one piece, but they have no interest of the old in peace, so they,

they have them use this as a we have a comprehensive and then we move on further and further. they, they want, they offer nothing to rush. i mean, it's like, you know what, you know, what, what your offer is like in the father to nothing they, they, they simply want this to go on and on. and essentially, you know, those like my chrome or even sergeant shows so who. so how think that, well, maybe we do go get, get some way down the road and then we can have a big, based on friends or whatever. they are delusional. there's, there is no way that there's going to be anything by them. this home is going to be several of by false is the only way it can be settled in. but more importantly, george, the mccomb and, and sergeant shields. they're not decision makers anymore. they're not seen as decision makers. they're actually laughed at now. their company or their tragic comics, big yours, these 2 most important countries in europe neutered themselves and handed over the

baton to the loonies in warsaw and into demon jump in. is that true? unfortunately, the situation is better dangerous. i mean that if you, which you are being you and yet, and the rest of these move towards the rush i gets, you'll center in the world says the overboard the view. some sort of the see ways agent, and sometimes is binary based people. so by the police change the box, the, you know, the world is do at least, you know, in the one size of the game, it's a bad we have the baby and a any. why cool? suggests the mice he is on the side of evil, 0. this is the guy related to the sample, and i, i don't know what can say the most, what's gonna be bad. a huge baltic may be just the total, the total say, well that's great and comprehensive, which is very possible. because right now,

the rapidly running out of time here, but i've said from the beginning of this complex, i don't know what you brain people, what you brain will. what will look like will be like, after all this is done, but that's not the concern of cubes. western battery shell, and that's all the time we have. i want to thank my, my guessing, budapest one here in moscow. and i think our viewers for watching us here at r t cx. some, remember the rest of the, the,

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the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to was a part in this new foreign policy concept signed into law the spring. russia for the 1st time officially defined itself as a distinct country civilization, but its own set of values and its own articulated vision of the world and the