an intense rising, pres, gallons and talents. these have since become known as the bronze knight drives me to bring us into people across the, throughout the world. groans of people have the end of the war in new york. it is 5 years in morrison and marched into colon, years full of suffering and death, and sacrifice. now the war against germany as was a moment in history, that will never be forgotten. a victory that came nothing moment too soon across us and the soviet union. the price for freedom turned the red with the blood of

$27000000.00 soviet soldiers and civilians. on the other side of the world, more than half a 1000000 soldiers from africa, missed the same fate. sacrificing their lives to fight the spread of notes of them and were captured by the germans by field marshal romano. non december 1941. he was the, the price dean, libya, and in fact it was one of those with kemp justifies a force as often as i mean, well, lots teneo and lots of them never came back to young boys are 18 years old. would have been unimaginable for the catastrophe for people in africa to imagine that the nazis could have won the world does it would have extended systemic racism around the world and, and very hopes of african people's fault for having an equal opportunity to close

tom discipline. described hello and welcome to this week's african. now, so way we look at how and we, vic, one's fault with associates during the great patriarchy rule. this week we come to you from west pox in between janice, but we 630 soldiers from south africa. button east africa involved with india, greece, poland, and the former yugoslavia. a very behind me, the most african campaign spend 3 years from 219142 may 1943 and include a contains for him in libyan and egyptian visits. and america area engineers. yeah . if we just its climax at la maine in egypt, when which is common with forces under the command of lieutenant general fear not one government was inflicted a decisive defeat on general owen, almost as a cold and forced to swim into tennis. yet this prevented the northeast from advancing into africa full. the soldiers who survived many would suffer from

a lifetime of a nice maze. it's especially if that grace is the most recent vixen to be buried in johannesburg. vixen shape, a move tom experiences with his children, grandchildren. we thank you so much for your time. maybe if you can just start by telling us what were you doing during the sick and both? well, during the 2nd world war i wanted to become a pilot. but unfortunately, i had problem with this one. i had, i was filed a test and i had to do something over the little i have, i was in the army, so this i just followed it and we went up through the paper for the independent was under the royal air force base. and we, we try and pilots proof of pilots. well, i'll tell you, a lot of them never came back to young boys are 18 years old. we treasure is to take them to become pilots. some of the of us in labs,

a lot came back. but it was really, it was very upsetting, it wasn't the easy task. it tool and just how important was the contribution of african fights is both black and white to defeat often autism during the 2nd world war. you know, one thing when you were in the army, there was no such thing as black and white. you were in the army. you were so just together. we will kid one blood i'm to is to say destroying autism. and maybe tell us, was there any cooperation, old co ordination between the soviet armies and the african armies? well, good. we were for the same will they will 5 year from big country and we will find to use from, from africa. and just how important was it that both sides for to, during that time, let's say for example, if the soviet war and africa hadn't won what the will still be over. this is very difficult to answer the question like lips to the,

the survey that's going to germany. you got into got into a, into germany and we, we met the and that was it and do thing that to be solve you. it's working together with the african armies, the contributed to the end of the 2nd world war. closer we did. we fought the war and we ended the war. and the reason we wait one, the peace and just lost the really what's do you think victory? they means for you. and what do you feel about what the soviets did during the time of victory day means a lot to me for the simple reason what the nazis just to everybody. i mean, they killed so many people. they destroyed them, put them in concentration, comes, killed them, and the, the doctor is always happy that the thing was over and read the story. the african

soldiers also fulton, the east african campaign to the western desert and up the length of easily. but many were taken prisoner of war. as was kenneth phillips father, he joined the army and he joined the unit called the t h a which was of tons fall force. so tillery, that was formed in 19 o 4. in the 191939, he saw what was happening in europe. the 1941. he was in the battle of in the west and visit with the british army. and the reason for the food army and they were captured to brook. but before to procure to main vessels, the best love city was a and being the battle of to brook and were captured by the germans by field marshal romo. non december 1941. and then they were taken to gemini to

prison of wilkins, the prisoner of war camp, which was called stand like 8 c. so gun, yes. done. that gives a word for prison of what comes for non commissioned officers. so that is non commissioned officers and private offices when 2 different prisoners in the prison of wilkins. they didn't have a holiday, but they weren't that badly treated compared to concentration camps, which were all over germany. you know, you would get some people who come back from prison of all comes that wouldn't talk about it. my father love to talk about it and be locked to help people because you saw what happened to him. and he had respectful everybody, thousands died, millions died, and in his unit a lot of people died. he just wanted everyone to be respected on it and remembered when he came back just that every car joins an organization called the mux m o t h

memorable or the often hits. and that was for any veteran who was it any war? i think old war veterans have not been on it and remember correctly. just as an example, i saw the movie born on the 4th of july of all american veterans coming back from viet nam. they weren't looked off the. they never had the media call. they may have, they had food, any of it had housing, and these are the people that saved the country. thousands was sent to a foreign country. the same is al people in the 19th, thirty's and forty's, when the certificate army was fighting with the british overseas. in the border was contin. sue's way, all these guys i personally field have them got the recognition that they just a fact often ignored is the contribution of black african soldiers to the 2nd world

war. more than a 1000000 served in colonial armies, enlisted by pushing phones in belgium, some served in africa or europe, as, as for them, the actual problems in the middle east was far afield as india may him off and the pacific islands, many were wounded or killed. the services have been really acknowledged by the governments of the former colonizers in south africa, the well known 61 to family was among them. we are coming to add to the heroes. a current in avalon symmetry is the way to johanna spec. next to me is the symmetry or rather the grave sides of frank. um, so why the one of the fighters and the heroes of so that forget, in fact, of the globe because the frank did fight doing the world war 2. and this one of those he wrote was that we continue to remember. and today we decided to take the stay and to visit his family to get a sense of those memories and those beautiful times that they spin to give that

frank the while it was and admired soldier who for to gains many in world war 2 and continued his fight for freedom and his contribution to the successful defeat of the apache government is somebody remembers him as the ultimate hero and fights have erie, pennsylvania or the 2nd world. all wes, part of that native contingent native call. and that was billed by very some of the, again, i me then they didn't allow africans to be such as per se, so it'd be recruited if it gets to be stretch, had that us drive us maybe course and paid to jobs like that. and so why they had involved in 1940 and, and before fought in this particular case for the foreman, very state. he liked order. everything that he does had to be precise.

you don't make mistakes with him. and he was dismayed. would say, i don't have a feeling that industry pick up, you're put into classes due to what you say. i don't think through ever he's, he's so nice thing in peace because of what he sees happening at this moment. when he fought for this country. when he allowed teeth for the trinity of this country to court and fight with anybody's friends. so friday i knew about him in 1975. when he had send, he say, thought and a thought had him long to come in good for the son who was standing a be to be still silent. and i was a commander already there of m k and a see fun. it took us supplied was one of those that i used to come inside and outside the contract to recruit for m k t was say, the pride in

a libya. and in fact, it was one of those were captured by the forces of misleading. so after the 2nd world war, so while it came back and he was one of those who were not recognized as pure soul just and we'd given the bicycle if you had been working at quote it late, it is born. but the join is big concept. it sets build houses here in to be and that's why this part of dubious so which is called the muscle, it with the soldiers as we're living. and he kept his comrades together. i'm told they used to much up and down the streets when ever, vic today came every year. and that, that, that i think influenced the young people in this area to join em key when he does pose a work to do so. we don't talk enough about what fate that right like

for instance, i think my, my view to, to little, i called teeth. the 1st of all that ship is this mandy that sang, and i didn't know how many lives the last day. we need to commemorate that every single year. we don't need a public holiday or anything, but it should be something that's published. we should find the families of the soldiers and into the even at least see families. it'd be not the interest to show that we appreciate the struggle, you know, and it wasn't even our struggle necessarily. but just to say, hey, so this is your sacrifice, and we appreciate that we appreciate the fact that you will never get to meet your grandparents or your great grandparents. but this is how the remember them. so i think you would want to be remember by how democratic governments all solve. i think i sense because here we talking about that people who had a credit in the neighboring pages protector is this way. i remember the trying to the end by sitting down people where they did and they never really good benefits. so. so while it to his dying time was the live boost benefits beat the quote to

what the white so just were having they were given pieces of land and they were lute up with a kind of so what tech come us to tell them that the code should i would venture, they were linked up with the color coded coordinate just they were linked up with the bank so that set them to build up properties and businesses. and he was saying, why is it that the government of south africa with this big expanse of land is little given this maybe a 2 bedroom pieces of land. we're not talking about anybody owning $3000.00 heck test 2000 heck, just we took him about entering the heck test just so that they can have a lively will. in that case, you remove this whole program of how are you taking my children to school? how are you taking my children to have because you are creating a sustainable livelihood for the transfer? unfortunately, it's not happening. now, do you forget the name of ethic and soldiers in the public history?

awful to was not an accident. in fact, it was an outcome actively sought by the british government. joining us now to unpack that in greater detail is expert at lawyer, professor andre thomas house. thank you so much for your time for face. so now maybe we can just start by telling us what to do. contribution of african regions was in world war 2 as well. in terms of the box, 1000000 african soldiers fault in world war 2, on the side of the allied forces against the exit forces, which are from a debt by germany, them in south africa, it was in july 1940. and because of the lack of folding chairs, so white for them to us for young smotts, well, efforts alongside the british was a 1940 that a modern european african soldiers initiative sausage and the recruiter at the end of the day about 80000 soldiers that forts in east africa,

in north africa, and in some smaller episodes in europe. of those uh, most, regrettably about 2 and a half 1000 lost their lives. and why do you think african benjamin scott's involved in this war to begin with? well, let us remember that in 1940, there were no independent countries in africa. the entire continental us up divided into colonial territories and an african peoples didn't have a site that didn't have a choice that didn't have a political representation. and they were mostly recruited um to make up for like all of like volunteers that what operating welcomes, but there was a lot of racial lipstick, prejudiced against them around mostly use him in mimeo rolls to a restaurant spot to assist in preparing motor vehicles areas between us to be cooks. so segregation, especially the racism,

obviously continued throughout the time of world war 2. it, it less, but i guess you have a, you said legacy that the, the african soldiers that came back with flawless or not. and the white soldiers like soldiers install that if you can already got so generous. rewards and compensation like a government sponsored house of black soldiers normally got a bicycle, a and many black assets and soldiers for 2 brave be in the war. but many remained unaware. still a fault is suffering. why do you think that is the case? well, a few 100 measurements were awarded to to african soldiers and those soldiers showed great bravery. what i think is most important for us when we think of this episode in history, is that the pots, a patient of these 80000, like africans, like south africans, contributed greatly to their, their conscience,

to their realization that racism had no, no foundation had no basis in, in science that the white soldiers next to them was suffering just as much as they were dying just as miserably with just as much pain. and that the pain of a white person is exactly the same as the pain of a black person. and if it really results it off to the wall in the fifty's to a new black consciousness to people saying what we all equal and, and we fort, equally to defend that use like democracy values like individual freedoms, human rights, alongside white, sol, just and now we've come back and why should these freedoms do use the book to use? these are very precious principles, must apply to us. so yes, the pots, the patient of black, south african soldiers and world war 2 contributed to the and suing liberation

world. from the 1950s been in south africa and baptist, really and unintended, but the most important consequence of this contribution. and how much is the victory of soviet union against the nazi germany? i'm celebrated in africa and how important is it to africa? well, for 1st year and i for intellectuals in africa, but, but most people with an interest in history and what is happening around them. it became very quickly clear that the german nazi ideology was just a systemic exaltation of basic racism. because the nazi ideology is grounded on the premises theory that a sudden estimate group of defendants of a certain ethnic makeup would be superior and would have a natural right to, to govern engine slave others. the most horrible and extreme form of this was the

declaration at the beginning that the geneva conventions many times and warfare should not apply to russian people because they could not be considered fully human . at this extreme form of racism, of costs in, in, in africa, contributed very, very greatly to the sense of, of injustice and to the need to, to, of a come colonialism meant to overcome and states the will. rich community costs of africa, including forming italian colonies, somalia, today was it instead of appreciate the historical victory of the soviet union and the importance of remembering it during the world war restaurant it, most of its citizens. meanwhile, russia and it's a, the congress managed to defeat german forces. so the russian shows celebrate the victory getting sort of window, it makes complete sense for the government of russia to celebrate to this historic

day, especially because of the war. and i think germany drew his world war 2 of the city, literally they had, it is unfortunately, that their world war 2 happened season. dobbs, the lives of millions of people. it is great on for i seems to be happy and to celebrate that i think she over to him any by the way it's set to build a monument on entering rushes victory in the world war 2. and the african me zimm currently being constructed right here behind me in the capital pod audit. and if it is documented on paper and if it last as long as that paper is lost. but if you can actually have something that, um, hold on just paper something around which people can actually stand and have a conversation. something that will have aspects of it. something that is 3 dimensional. have aspects of it that people can look at talks and,

and re not rates a very important milestones in the development of our country in the, in the evolution of our history. that option a gives it a sense of permanence that will allow it to be edged in our brains and, and mocked in, in, you know, psyche in such a way that we won't be able to forget in the place of those who are assistive assistant has to be where we are, will forever be remembered, and will always be there for us to, to, to, to, to recognize. well, that brings us to the end of this week shows. we pay tribute to the men and women who sacrificed their lives on the battlefield. and the millions of civilians lost the loved ones. next week, weeks full of the persecution of christianity on the african continent. and the efforts being taken by communities to save it. until then for me in the team here at africa now,

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keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube, the services for the question, did you say steven twist, which is the the mr. chavez and the problem, the soldier monument was erected in 1947 in the estonian capital by the soviets authorities. originally, belgium found a burial site of troops, remains. it's a memorials of the soldiers who gave their lives in world war 2 will say risk at the department service, the william for the for really transition in 2007, the associated government decided to relocate the monument from the city center or for the year on that, i've got wanted to buy me to a,

to really the frustrated to move divided the population is stony, is large of russian speaking community strongly opposed. it. an intense rising broke out in town. and these have since become the, as the problems and i drive people across the username and the the words that are very, very precarious moments in human history. i see for sure. so using that goes away, me is up. let's just say it was a 2 story you've got a,

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