to the url, denazi's theory of racial superiority, finish style, 4 years of creating an ssl all the place and 14 concentration comes. so the full prisoner of war labor comes 10 prisons really well, you know, thing to do is go level. she's going to be in your opinion, so i'm assuming you need even the, the chest really to get all that i could have looked into. i'm assuming people's gonna sit in approximately 25000 people, went through the occupied of go to finish camps according to official figures. these move stuff suddenly level if the shift did utility and i give you an idea, i'm not sure it's just the size of the stuff. so young congress that i mean you would find in disease forced labor to which you have by the word. and so for me as well as giving up on the lot that it also need you to do that, that it's a deep, it almost human off with those who put in his name, push these things up, the give you what feeling that do it because he does it to those thousands of test

a massive crimes in the impunity of criminals. now when you look on here, you know, wanted to do this because 90 and the did i tell you? yeah, for the good i see it are released upon me. they decided to do it, you got to do, please don't duplicate the potatoes being yet that was put in the middle of the, of the, throughout the world, the bronze of people hail the end of the war in new york. it is 5 years and more since it burn marks into years of suffering and death and sacrifice. now the war against germany is a moment in history that will never be forgotten. a victory that came nothing moment too soon across you with in the soviet union. the points for freedom turned

the red with the blood of 27000000 soviet soldiers and civilians. on the other side of the world, more than half a 1000000 soldiers from africa make the same fate sacrificing their lives to fight the spread of notes of them. that were captured by the germans by field marshal romo. non december 1941. he was in detroit in libya and in fact it was one of those with kemp justified to force himself in this . i mean, well, i'll tell you, a lot of them never came back to young boys. 18 years old would have been unimaginable for the catastrophe for people in africa to imagine that the nazis could have wonder, what does it would have extended systemic racism around the world. and, and what i finally hope so if i freaked and people fault for having an equal

opportunity to speak to tom, hello, and welcome to this week's african. now, so the way we look at who, how and wait victims fault with associates during the great patriarchy rule. this week, we come to you from west pox in between. johannes, but we 630 soldiers from south africa. button, east africa, some bob with india, greece, po and, and the former yugoslavia a very behind me the most african campaign spend 3 years from 219142 may 1943 and included contains folks in the libyan and egyptian visits. and america area engineers. yeah. if we just its climax, its ella main in egypt when, which is common with forces under the command of lieutenant general there not one comment was infected, a decisive defeat on general owen, almost as a cold and forced to swims into tennis. yet this prevented the northeast from advancing into africa full. the soldiers who survived many would suffer from

a lifetime of nice mace. this especially that great is the most recent visit to the band in johannesburg. vixon shape a move time experiences with his children, grandchildren. when you thank you so much for your time, maybe if you can just start by telling us what were you doing during the sick and both? well, during the 2nd world war i wanted to become a pilot. but unfortunately, i had problem with this one. i had, i thought i would follow the test and i had to do something over the little i have, i was in the army, so this i just followed it and we went up there repeatedly. i put in the thing i was on the royal air force base and we we try and pilots proof of pilots. well, lot tell you a lot of them never came back to young boys are 18 years old. we treasure is to take them to become pilots. some of the survived luck came back,

but it was really, it was very upsetting. it wasn't the easy task, a tool. and just how important was the contribution of african fights as both black and white to defeat often autism during the 2nd world war. you know, one thing when you're in the army, there was no such thing as black and white. you were in the army. you were so just together. we will kid 11 i'm to is to destroy and autism. and maybe tell us, was there any cooperation, old co ordination between the soviet armies and the african army? well good. we both were for the same will they will 5 year from the country. and we will find to use from, from africa. and just the how important was that to both sides for to during that time, let's say for example, if the soviet warn and africa hadn't won what the will still be over. this is very

difficult to answer the question like lips to the b service. did you, did you have any, you got into you got into, into the germany and we, we met the and that's what is it and do thing that to be solve you. it's working together with the african armies of contributed to the end of the 2nd world. war closer we did, we fought the war and we ended the war. and the reason we wait one, the peace and just lost the really what do you think the victory they means for you? and what do you feel about what the soviets did during the time of victory day means a lot to me for the simple reason what the nazis just to everybody. i mean they killed so many people. they destroyed them, put them in concentration, comes, killed them, and the, or that there was always happy that the thing was over and read the story of the

african soldiers also fault in the east african campaign to the western visit, and up the men so easily. but many were taken prisoner of war. as was kenneth phillips father, he joined the army and he joined the unit called the t h a which was a trans fall force. so tillery, that was formed in 19 o 4. in the 191939, he saw what was happening in europe. the 1941. he was in the battle of in the west and visit with the british army. and it was a pretty easy food army. and they were captured to brook. but before to broke through 2 main vessels, the best loved city was a and being the battle of to brook. and were captured by the germans by field marshal romo. non december 1941,

and then they were taken to germany to prison of wilkins, the prison of boot camp, which was called style like h c. so gun, yes. done. that gives it word for prison of what comes for non commissioned officers. so that is non commissioned officers and private offices when 2 different prisoners in the prison of wilkins. they didn't have a holiday, but they weren't that badly treated compared to concentration camps, which were all over germany. you know, you would get some people who come back from prison of all comes that wouldn't talk about it. my father love to talk about it and be locked to help people because you saw what happened to him. and he had respectful everybody, thousands died, millions died, and in his unit a lot of people died. he just wanted everyone to be respected on it and remembered when he came back just that every car joins an organization called the mux m o t h

memorable or the often hex. and that was for any veteran was any war. i think old war veterans have not been on it and remember correctly. just as an example, i saw the movie born on the 4th of july of all american veterans coming back from viet nam. they weren't looked off the. they never had the media cov, any of the had food, any of it had housing, and these are the people that saved the country. thousands was sent to a foreign country the same as al people in the 19 thirty's and forty's when the so they can only was fighting with the purchase overseas in the border was contin sue's way. all these guys, i personally field haven't got the recognition that they just a fact often ignored is the contribution of black african soldiers to the 2nd world

war. more than a 1000000 served in colonial armies, enlisted by person phones and belgium. some served in africa or europe of this fault in the actual problems in the middle east was far afield as india may in law and the pacific islands. many were wounded or killed. the services have been really acknowledged by the governments of the phone, the colonizers in south africa, the well known 61 to family, was among the we are coming to you at the heroes. a current in avalon symmetry is so weird to hand us back. next to me is the symmetry or rather the grave sites are frank um, so while the one of the fighters and the heroes of south africa in fact, of the globe because the frank did 5 doing the world war 2 and is one of those. he wrote was that we continue to remember and today with decided to take the stay and to visit his family to get a sense of those memories and those beautiful times that they spin together.

frank's the while it was and admired sole joe who for to gains many world war 2 and continued his fight for freedom and his contribution to the successful defeat of the apache government. his family remembers him as the ultimate hero and fight in pennsylvania or the 2nd world, all was part of that native contingent native call. and that was billed by the some of the can me then they didn't allow africans to be sort of just perfect. so it'd be recruited for guess to be, so that's how that us drive us maybe costs and paid to jobs like that. and so why they had involved in 1940 a and and before fault in this particular case for that was the, for me very strict. he liked order. everything that he does had to be precise. you don't make mistakes with him. and he was dismayed. who

would say, i don't have a feeling in this for me to pick up your books and the classes due to what to say. i don't think whatever he said, i think in peace because of what he sees happening at this moment. when he fought for this country, when he allowed teeth for them to leave this country to court and fight with anybody's feelings or friday, i knew about him in 1975. when he had send, he say, thought and a thought heading law to come in. good for the son who was standing a be still silent and i was a commander already there of m k and a see fun. it took a supply and was wondering if it was that i used to come inside and outside the

country to recruit for m k. p was say, the pride in a libya. and in fact, it was one of those with kemp jet by the forces of misleading. so after the 2nd world war. so while it came back and he was one of those who were not recognized as pure storage us and we'd given the bicycle. if you had been waking and quote it late, it is born. but the johannesburg concept, it sets build houses here in dooley. and that's where this part of to be so which is called the muscle where the soldiers as we're living and he kept his comrades together. i'm chose, they used to much up and down the streets when ever the today came every year. and that, that, that i think influenced the young people in this area to join em key when he does positive work to do so. he does talk enough about what fate that right.

like for instance, i think my, my view to to it or i could keep the 1st of all that ship is this mandy that sang. and i didn't know how many lives the last big we need to commemorate that every single year. we don't need a public holiday or anything, but it should be something that's published. we should find the families of the soldiers and into the even at least she families, it'd be not the interest to show that. we appreciate the struggle, you know, and it wasn't even our struggles necessary. but just to say, hey, it is a 0 sacrifice. and we appreciate that. we appreciate the fact that you will never get to meet your grandparents or you agree with grandparents. but this is how they mean by them. so i think you would want to be, remember by how democratic governments all solve some type sense. because here we talking about the people who had accrued it in the neighboring pages, protect doretha sweat, and remember the china then by sitting down people radically did. and they never really good benefits. so, so while it to his day and time was being lived,

boost benefits be through quote, to what the white so just were having they were given pieces of land and the with you up with a canal. so what, how come as to tell them that the codes that i would venture as they were linked up with the color coded cartridges? they were linked up with the bank so that assisted them to build up corporate, these and businesses. and he was saying, why is it that the government of south africa with this big expanse of land, easily given this media, 2 bedrooms, pieces of land. we're not talking about anybody owning 3000 heck test 2000 had just we talking about entering to have tests just so that they can have a lively work. in that case, you remove this whole program off. how are you taking my children to school? how are you taking my children to have because you are creating a sustainable livelihood for the transfer? unfortunately, it's not happening now before gets the most african soldiers in the public history

a whole to was not an accident. in fact, it was an outcome actively sought by the british government. joining us now to unpack that in greater detail, as expert as lawyer profess the andre thomas house. thank you so much for your time for faces in world war 2. while in total about 1000000 africans, saul just fulton world war 2 on the side of the allied forces against the texas forces, which from india by germany to and in south africa, it was in july 1940. and because of the lack of folding chairs, so white folding chairs for young smotts, well efforts alongside the british was a 1940 that a modern european african soldiers initiative sausage and the recruiter at the end of the day about 80000 soldiers that fought in east africa in north africa and in some smaller episodes in europe. all those

uh, most, regrettably, about 2 and a half 1000 lost their lives. and why do you think applicant benjamin's got involved in this war to begin with? well, let us remember that in 1940, there were no independent countries in africa. the, the entire continental us up divided into colonial territories. and an african peoples didn't have a site that didn't have a choice that didn't have a political representation. and they were mostly recruited um to make up for lack of of like volunteers that what operating welcomes there was a lot of racial istic prejudiced against them around most of the use in, in mimeo rolls to a restaurant spot to assist in preparing motor vehicles areas between us to be cooks. so segregation, especially the racism obviously continued throughout the time of world war 2. it,

it left the biggest. yep. and you said legacy that the, the african soldiers that came back ref, fall us on the white soldiers, white soldiers in south africa, normandy, got generous rewards and compensation like a government sponsored house of black soldiers. normally got a bicycle, a and many black assets and soldiers for 2 brave b in the war, but many remained unaware. still a fault is suffering. why do you think that is the case? well, a few 100 megawatts, where a water to, to african soldiers, and those soldiers showed great bravery. what i think is most important for us when we think of this episode in history, is that the pots, a patient of these a few thousands like africans, like south africans, contributed greatly to their, their conscience, to their realization that racism had no,

no foundation had no basis in science, that the white soldiers next to them by suffering just as much as they were dying just as miserably with just as much pain. and that the pain of a white person is exactly the same as the pain of a black person. and if it really results it off to the wall in the fifty's to a new black consciousness to people saying we all equal and, and we fault equally to defend that use like democracy, values like individual freedoms, human rights, alongside white solve this. and now we've come back and why should these freedoms do use the book to use? these are very precious principles, must apply to us. so yes, the pots, suppression of black, south african soldiers and world war 2 contributed to the and suing liberation world. from the 1950s being in south africa and baptist, really and unintended,

but the most important consequence of this contribution. and how much is the victory of soviet union against the nazi germany? i'm celebrated in africa and how important is it to africa? well, for 1st year and i for intellectuals and i freaked out much, but most people with an interest in history and what's happening around them. and it became very quickly clear that the german nazi ideology was just a systemic exaltation of basic racism. because a nazi ideology is grounded on the premises theory that a sucking estimate group defendants of a certain ethnic makeup would be superior and would have a natural right to, to govern, enter in slave others. the most horrible and extreme form of this was the declaration at the beginning of the invasion of the soviet union by the german army. the

declaration by at all the 5th line of decree, that the geneva conventions many 10 wolfish should not apply to russian people because they could not be considered fully human. at this extreme form of racism, of course, in africa contributed very, very greatly to the sense of, of injustice and to the need to to overcome colonialism meant to overcome and stay for the war which committed costs of africa including former tehan, calling the somalia. today was it instead of appreciate the historical victory of the soviet union and the importance of remembering it during the world war restaurant announcement of citizens. meanwhile, russia and it's a, the congress managed to defeat the german forces. so the russian shows celebrate the victory getting sort of freedom. it makes complete sense for the government of

russia to celebrate to this historic day, especially because of the war that gaines, germany, to his world war 2 of the see literally nay. it is unfortunate that there was war to happen. i season gulps the lives of millions of people. it is great on for i seems to be happy. and to celebrate that think she over today many by the way it's set to build a monument on entering rushes victory in the world war 2. and the african me zimm, currently being constructed right here behind me in the capital pod audit. and if it is ducking into on paper and if it last as long as that paper is lost. but if you can actually have something that um, hold on just paper something around which people can actually stand and have a conversation. something that will have aspects of it, somebody that is 3 dimensional, have aspects of it that people can look at,

talks and, and re not rates a very important milestones in the development of our country in the, in the evolution of our history. um then that option, it gives it a sense of permanence that will allow it to be edged in our brains and, and mocked in, in, you know, psyche in such a way that we won't be able to forget in the place of those who are assistive assisted us to be where we are, will forever be remembered and will always be there for us to, to, to, to, to recognize. well that brings us to the end of this week showed we pay tribute to the men and women who sacrificed their lives on the battlefield. and the millions of civilians lost. they loved ones. next week, weeks full of the persecution of christianity on the african continent. and the efforts being taken by communities to save it until in for me, in the team here of an african. now goodbye. i wish that franklin

d roosevelt had left to see this day. the general eisenhower informs me that the forces of germany have surrendered to the united nation. the flags of freedom lie all over europe. the russian states never had started as one of the most sense community best. most all sense of the consumer must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union,

the kremlin mission, the state on the russians cruising and split the ortiz full neck. even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services. for what question did you say steve and twist, which is the question is, is there a high quality of life to my destination is having the necessary conditions. i'm going to put a new condition diagnosed in terms of the number of hours available in a week to contact can being reach us by change, which is why i would say to be conscious of your existence. what about take is to try to send a voice or existence. they would put, it shows you all the adults and it means one thing or what's not going to cut them

. we've, you purchased it. mean to know that some way. so if the, if you're still exploring the, telling us and it is something you just a moment, just as though without the, you are essentially a mundane person and shy, pronounce that as well. some of the, of the words instead of a very, very precarious moment in human history, which i see for as a flash. so using a prospect was the way me click to lease is up. let's just use facebook. was it still? you could stay and if you have to fly, i'm going to use the custodial green and love story union wasn't mentioning, correct. like show me it's got save you and screwing up with changed since then. yeah. usually with our pharmacist, religion towards the sea,

chest face with no credit to work. you get this 3rd right. i deal with she has rita this time and you cry, genocide of civilians, militarization of society and an ultra nationalist state policy. decades may say history is repeating itself on let's not forget to a 2 years ago. the soviet union defeated non system at the cost of an enormous number of casualties. is the reason why the soviet plus $27000000.00 and the u. s. was 310000 and combat. the brits about the same number. the soviets were doing most of the fighting. and most of the time, if you k in france has signed an agreement with the soviet union, they could have stopped the

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attorney, if you miss the shower and the bone, the soldier monument was erected in 1947 in the estonian capital by the associates authorities, originally bells above the burial site of troops, remains its memorials of the soldiers who gave their lives in world war 2. what's the risk of the informing service? the william forgive for really transitional in, in 2007. the associated government decided to relocate the monument from the city center for one year on the caps printed by me to a to the sooner frustrated to move divided. the population is stony, is large of russian speaking communities, strongly opposed. it's an intense rising growth, college and talent. these have since become the, as the problems and i drive people across

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