the fives of central asian stands for levels and armenia. the poles in their flowers in front of the term of the unknown soldier side by side with booking. this is the image of victory the year, and this across the global south that is not submitted to council culture. people will notice a while a number of countries attempt to edit the history of the 2nd world war. some citizens are starkly defending the past. one polish amount has both a monument to owner, those repeatedly fought against the nazi regime. we spoke to the creator who say is that after warsaw failed in diplomatic efforts, it's not trying to create a new the most the show find still the monument, because i decided to honor the memory of the soldiers who fought against passions of i did it despite the politics of the country, i installed it on my property, so no one can legally harass me. i have a negative attitude towards the panel and russian and soviet symbols and the demolition of monuments in europe. i don't know how somebody can treat it

differently, who also does these things in order to erase the memory and to defeat rusher on the battlefield. they do this because they diplomacy doesn't work, boots in the parade, wanted to remind the old people about this terrible bull and who actually defeated fascism before we go, i want to bring you to central asia and must've explosion rocked. the fuel definitely is becca stone. last night, the ancient silk road city of summer count proof of the result by the blast and flames rising high to the sky. as you can see, according to reports, one person was injured authority say the incident occurred with a trust for a gas was being made from a storage facility to a tanker truck. the fire has not been put out, its investigators are on the scene looking into a violation 600 workforce talking again in moments, catch peter and guess discussing why victory day is more than just

a national holiday for russians. unlike pick tree all day, pride and warms, come free is increasingly being seen as an extremist view in the west. the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered on peter lavelle. on may, 9th, all of russia commemorates victory over fascism in europe and 1945 memories of heroism and unspeakable suffering had been passed down from generation to generation. the west has attempted to rewrite this history. russians will never

accept their sacrifices were in vain. the cross talking victory over fascism. i'm joined by my guess erin, good in philadelphia. he's a political scientist, a story, and an author of american exception, empire in the deep state in providence we have let him in goldstein, steve's the chair of the department as well. vic studies at brown university and here in moscow we have sonya event, then ended. she is an independent journalist. alright, cross up role is that effect? that means you can tell me anytime you want. and i always appreciate a lot of really sock with to speak with you because you and i've talked about this before, over the years about revisionism. so i want to ask you a personal question. your you were born in the soviet union, you were brought up in the soviet union. and you clearly remember of celebrating commemorating victory day on, on may 9th it to you. what is your memory, tell you what was that? was there ever a disparaging comment about the, the,

the western allies and their participation in the war? because i have never heard that in the quarter century. i've lived here with this. the, the russian federation has always acknowledged the role that western allies play. obviously they focus more on their contribution, but the west doesn't want to. we acknowledge the suffering, but the soviet union experience during that group. her risk complex. vladimir, it is. yeah. you know, growing up in the rise, of course it was a holiday, very beef color. they, they all, you know, it was ready, you know, may was face to face def time for us, or may was, you know, day off, you know, age and i in the night of may well, great days. so console celebrate. you know, everyone was celebrate here. that's why it was one of those probably days. i remember i have friends for what you said, and it's been like that is, you know, the, the, the system and yet, you know, you right, would forget to call them on the 9th of may and to congratulate them. they wouldn't

be offended because they, you know, they, they went a little more, they knew what it was, and they remember that it was like a very important, so i saw him. how does that, you know, many cultures, maybe you know, through the regions, cavities, cavities over the membrane. and that's what sort of a rush that did, and of cause. it's really kind of a just drive the gene a gift. if not, they even get a not to say offensive to see what was going on and the rest that has been going on for a while. yeah. they're just starting to kind of to present the russians as incompetent . you know, a bunch of people who didn't know what they were doing one live by, by jumping onto the guns and died in their office. and somehow kind of just to do all of that to diminish it. of course, people who, when some of the war french americans are jo mazda, they remember, they know, but it was back on sort as if what to brain was the younger generated historian, who was in germany, should they, well,

i some young germ or use that word here is that i'm euro and they are claiming that they use the term is you actually do more or started as from that time actually already before we can see that you are, is there any? yeah, they tried to do is, is here it isn't, this is what we see all the time and it's getting worse by the day. like a today is along the line. yes. you using back? yes. nip and yeah, it's, it's, it's crazy. of course, uh, in her outfits with a yellow and blue iphones and naming them now it was the last piece also claiming that you guys know, and i see some verses of it, not a match season, but the rest is and again, those of us who is this receipt told so yesterday, very funny videos i told him. so i mean you're is rewriting research history. not only this they are denying, actually the last part of your rental rates is by the soviet union to read on the

directions. and actually, i think a lot of people in germany who are also a member rates, the name of may and the whole debate going on there. and i think in some places they can show the slack and the member made a bunch of course you praise complaints again, but this is really heavy terminology is going on and it is what i hear it is. it's increasingly, yeah, it's pricing. actually i can see comparisons between now and 19339739425 because russell colea is very, very terrible in europe. and this is when they between did use in the 2nd world war or the opposite. yeah, absolutely. right and, and, and then what i call his lo, uh, basically a liberal authoritarianism, the liberal fascism even is appropriate. i think now a lot of mir, it put this into context here because, you know, we're having this revisionism going on. it's really quite extraordinary. and uh,

the, the, the nazi soviet packed of 1939 it is for trade in the media is in alliance, but i mean, it wasn't in alliance. okay. i'm just picking one of hundreds of possible examples here, but they're always conflating that to here. and you know what, it does, vladimir it, let's fascism off the hook is. that's what it's doing. it's actually rehabilitating and slowly but surely. vladimir, yeah, it's, you know, this, this idea of what we will as is very obnoxious. you know, we, we should start a and b, a pool and try to prevent the best we can, you know, what not just was they didn't for, you know, re sees and destruction already one who, who they didn't like were home with. they declared it. oh, you know what they're meant? that's what do we have to find out? of course, you know, if you're not happy with the way it started and what was intriguing people because those are and find that it's a different issue. but to draw the equivalence between the countries, it's excellent that i'm acceptable because basically, you know, 1st of all,

if we ended up being, you know, elyse inland, the united states, the roster they were allies, they were fighting please. so generally gated, you will be sort of targets in concrete groups of people, slabs, jewish gypsies, homosexual, is your name and they would destroy them. so these would, would have to fight for and just try to somehow i gave the whole thing and bring the little is an in mind you the what does is absolutely unacceptable included in this particular, you know, it was not a non sort of a non war agreement they decided not to take a job. it doesn't mean that the l eyes, so i'm just confused as easy as well. if it's the same time, you know it was it bridges, government whole model. there's a lot of game on the, with jeff, jeff jeffery bob to germany and agreed, you know, and with mooney agreement and it was all done by your bins. right. and worked with the same think we can, you know, give you all want to have the same argument. you can say that it was made possible

campus, at least on both sides of the wall, is that we will not don't, that's as if a going to arguing with, you know, the area. and what is the point of rewriting this history? well what, why do they want to a race rush? the soviet more experience as well the fundamental geo political issue for the, for the, at the anglo. so, you know, the land is, this is to make sure that germany and russia are not united the, it was a, you know, russian raw materials and manpower and in german industry. and so this is why you had them, i mean this goes back to world war one and the few years of, of, of, of berlin baghdad railway, a lot of in, is blowing up the north stream or setting up the military industrial complex. and in the early 19 fifties, because of a dollar flow part problems they really wanted to corps and t internet have had to go to a harder break. i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break,

we'll continue our discussion on victory over fascism, 78 years ago. unsafe with our team the the welcome back. across stock were all things are considered i'm peter was about

to remind you of we're discussing victory over fascism. 78 years ago. the okay, let's go back to sonya here in, in moscow, sonya might my father find in the 2nd world war. he was it you, j when i and open our and he very rarely talked about it be because it was this. so her risk was, it was what he saw what he experienced. but he still was interested in the history of the conflict and we watch together was quite young at the time, but we watched the world war and it was a documentary series about the 2nd world war of the entire war around the world. and it was a british documentary, and it's one of the great what sonya, you probably can find it any more. okay. because it's been the soviet experience during the war that is verboten now. sorry for the german. go ahead in moscow here . sonya. yeah, you remember that's true, i mean me, myself,

i'm from the netherlands and we are always and celebrate the innovation of baptism overseas. don't made sort of last week somehow and all the sort of made estimate and rooms of all the data to follow. and what the prime minister is on the melons do. in fact, it's to lensky to be all this evening. but supposedly we come and arrange all the people who are fighting for us on the phone. and there was one, the very special person in the middle, and she's called how these up. she wasn't coming there so they will not remember her being wiped out. and this guy, they savanski was standing at the statue somehow enough to don't like them. and then they said, oh yeah, we have to commemorate all the best people in ukraine. this is what they do in your and i love those things. what you said on youtube, like in the world on what i wanted to and you can not find it anymore. and there's a lot of things now going on and what does we buy thing history. so they,

they now focus on these days when, you know, they commemorate the 2nd world war to and focus on ukraine. and this is, i mean there's so many people. dashboard is in russia and also in europe like my grandfather to. he was hiring for the germans. i mean, he lived in the them, that was a very heavy bombardment, a n a as to what you had to work in germany. and he was hiding out in the people so and they, they, they don't come memorize the whole day. they rewrite everything and, and i was a very interesting thing was sent about germany in germany. the industry is something else was in germany. the industry is down at 80 percent ready. so i mean, as this is, oh, i, you probably, you know, it is all the great reset and the worst country you have, and this is, is the netherlands and just germany, of course, of the substance. the 2nd, the 1st world war they have to weigh each germany sort of the enemy. so when you

think about this old together, then a, yeah, it's clear to want to wipe out the calibration of the 2nd world war about who we knew about russia. so actually we are in the heavy bands and stays at the moment and especially euro is facing these. well, it's funny i, i'm, i'm a full support or a backer of your farm, or as you know, the great, the greatest farmers on the planet. they want to that this is a and it's, it's totally insane. the best farmers are in the world. okay. but we're going back to our topic here. i mean, denying that the, the, the rightful victory of the soviet union, 78 years ago is part of a process, a big, big, nothing possibly good can come out of russia. but, you know, and that's why you don't talk about beating the nazis. okay. because obviously, i think the, even the, let me liberals, we're not going to stand up for them at least openly. but so there's need, there's virtue in victory over that, that i,

the ology and that heretic regime here. because at the end of the day, you know, an air and looks like he's pretty good with the numbers here in italy, by the time, by the time of the normandy landing, the outcome of the war in europe was obvious to everyone. vladimir. yeah, i think was, was aaron also mentioned it is absolutely correct. that correct is like the way of talking about if you with the, we are, you know, other call agenda of cold war and the, a global that was more or less a box, you know, frightful their hearts and minds. we were beans, you know, let's remember the dried up to the war friends and easily and all the other countries were elizabeth, if they have a very prominent horman use parties. and i, i'm, besides some got absolutely this kid. so there was an absolutely amazing campaign with ellis. i'm, i don't mind the channel affiliated ca due to the order of trying to convince you, repeat that. that's all they decided that the russians make not things,

but usually that's inconceivable. i think great achievements. nobody wants, would you deny? great americans? you too much. but they begin to broom load. great american objects literally armstrong, you know, snags on board only when they got scaled the rest of the weather. they wouldn't allow. it comes into play in mississippi, but then they, they replaced him to the lakes. impaired is just impressed that you were abused. they are a very good and the restaurant. i just brutal but bad. and this thing continues and it'd be getting really important. i think nowadays, because there's a new thread on the google horizon is china in china, it's against, somehow we knew were women. so it's again, an attempt to control europeans to prove that. don't go to russia, don't go to the oldest corman is a b r as bio pro for, for a product, which is 5 times more expensive. destroyer economy do your own thing. so it's continues on for just got the nation of the cold war. and they, they view the war,

the war against matches is somehow pushed in the spring in the direction the rest them propaganda was to go, you know, area and, you know, the western audiences don't understand because they're grossly under informed about history and, and contemporary politics. but i'll give you the is the take for a mosque out. so let's look at the countries that are aligned begins with sanctions, you know, trying to, uh, um i, uh, we can russia as much as possible as a secretary of defense said so, but if you're in moscow, you know what it looks like. it looks like this grand coalition. oh, the same coalition that was against the soviet union. it's remarkably similar. okay . except for the west is farmed stronger because the united states is in the big is involved from the beginning, not in 1939 to 4, but 41. so, but you know, the, it's that because of its lack of understanding or willingly, willingly, not understanding history you, what do you can see how the other guy,

the other state and that your opponent, your adversary can see the world. but that's what people see here. aaron, right, i mean the reason that the germans and the japanese and italians went with this fascist system is because they're a stablish amount of capital as the oligarchs felt that they were threatened. and that the only way to survive was to just start murdering all the opponents of the capitalist oligarchy. and so they formed this packed, and they called it the anti common turn packed. and that's the real name for the axes. and so they define themselves by opposition to capitalism. i mean, sorry, opposition to communism. and then after the war, the us basically picks up a, absorbs all the worst dogs and murders and terrorists among the japanese and italian, fascist, and the nazis, and uses them to murder on behalf of the us empire afterward. so the you can say the us took over management, the global capitalism, that's obvious. but you can also say they basically absorb global fascism and are

now still to this day murdering. it's the opponents of us capitalism. you know, sonya, one of the things i find most odious and disgusting, is that demonizing russia or trying to erase russia. but they, what was fought against and destroyed thankfully in 1945 is reared its ugly head with western support in kev. okay. and, and, you know, it happened, it's happened so many times since the complex started where you have an as off patch here. and it been there a picture there and everyone kind of stumbled oh, it doesn't really mean anything. it means a lot. it means a whole lot. ok initially so is an attempt by the west to whitewash history because what was bought against and destroyed is very real and it's not being fought against now. it's actually being supported with tens of billions of dollars. sonya yeah, that's right. and i, myself, i was in the house of 263 when it was just liberated in the district,

submitted the information. and you can see all of them and is often lapses and assigns my income. and the thing was there. so i, so you have the could see everywhere, you know, and the evidence of this, and there really, you true match these new nancy. so whenever you want to call it and the western media and full edition, i think before other special military ration started, they already knew because they had some articles. and i think it was a bbc or other in newspapers, mtv stations. they already said, yes, ukraine has a problem because there are new announcements and they have and i reported also in 20162017. and it was in odessa to commend the ration of the union house. oh yes, it isn't. and i saw the actual regiment there will be sent to the asshole so that they weren't harassing all the russian people or even b as

a journalist who was working on the street. interesting, no, you know, sheltering things and already i told the priest then to go their ropes when they were finished with dyslexia or loaning and harassing people. so i think the west is denying them, but they know that they are supporting new and access. lovely and syria, their support is dodge access, so they didn't know it and you know, they just weren't watching all the things. i don't know. maybe you know, they change the know different. this is what all right. oh yeah. yeah. yeah. that's what i remember. yeah. a lot of me right, um, zalinski was interviewed by some western outlet and he was confronted by, you know, you, you, you have this, you know, nazi, neo nazi problem. and he, you know, what his answer was. they are who they are. that's the best he could come up with. with the last 50 seconds. go to you bought america ahead. yeah, they get him up with this guy. they've told him to share but sure. but that's great . him is advanced, gives you. this is like, therefore there's no not to, you know,

they direct monuments or ukraine. doyle is like a magical r 8 in germany. you cannot do that. this was the way c. you've agreed to go in the western europe. you cannot do it, but it rains. you because of all around the country they, are, they change the streets in the name of these flags. and you know, why? because unfortunately, that's the only bethel you find bundled right in the brain, is also a nationally and that's what they do in the risk of donors. so that's, that's what that's from verizon perspective, from normal perspective, from ends a war perspective, it looks actually absolutely. unbelievable. i mean it, you know, i, i'm surprised if not enough juice processing it, but that's a different story i guess. but you know, if you, if you can whitewash history and erase it, then you can, you can praise these people at no cost. that's why we need to remember. all right, that's all the time we have a one, a thing, my guess in providence, philadelphia and, and here in moscow. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here are the see next time,

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we support the russians. and that way, less than destroy each other. there was that kind of extensive in, in the west at this time, the redrawing of european board to assist the gun, britain and the united states. but then, just to the plan to attack the usaa saw, survive, russia had to be sacrifice the like condition. service mesa, ford from us has done a lot with some with this capital and michel noah's hold. nobody knows the cold war, the guns, the show seemed wrong. just don't safe house because the application and engagement equals the trail.

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