it's on the issue, and we know that the us and other countries have been deceiving us for many years. and if they've deceived us in one thing, why can't they deceive us? and another americans either have this evidence or they don't. and if they are all such questions in society, they must provide it. there is not just the satisfaction of curiosity with preparing emission to the moon. and i would like, of course, to learn something about the experience of all phone the partners how they managed to do it many years ago. and now it turns out that there is no one to ask a nothing to load. so you only steve, as puts is main emphasis in the space they on the military component where the dream is to launch weapons into space, which is basically prohibited by international law. but still they do it. and we have a lot of questions about verifying space plate. what does it do? being in the space for months maybe is already a kerry of nuclear weapons. and we're preparing to repel a blow from us. while it's likely that the boy will come from space. therefore,

it's generally advantageous for americans to create supposedly civilian projects on the commercial guys. but in fact they old and go on to the patronage of the price to go on. therefore, it is generally advantageous for americans create supposedly civilian projects and a commercial guys in new york. but in fact, they old and go under the patronage of the public on. as for example, it happened with the style and condition of implemented by the space ex company, which now works the on forces. it'd be crate. therefore, the us even when investing in cycle private civilian projects thinks about national defense and aggression every time on the list. as of now, the most important direction of development for us, which we need to investigate, is satellite construction because satellites and not only about tv, radio and the internet with a not joined country. it's obvious that fiber, optic wise, cannot be scattered over 3 quarters of us nights territory. whole. this needs to be covered with a space cap. and for these, the satellites must be presented in

a sufficient amount is also about navigation communication and the monitoring of the us. therefore, they should be a lot of satellites along with a mathematical data processing system. we have it, but it needs to be improved and developed and with a jewel purpose because it's difficult to name, administrator would not need it. and of course we need to do this for other countries as well. and when you put in a car, i just about wrapping up this, i was like ro, acosta from moscow. thanks so much for joining us here on the off the international and your news continues any time you feel like it online. the

hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered and peter lavelle on may. 9th, all of russia commemorates victory over fascism in europe and 1945 memories of heroism and unspeakable suffering. i've been passed down from generation to generation. the west has attempted to rewrite this history. russians will never accept their sacrifices were in vain. the cross talking victory over bashes. i'm, i'm joined by my guess. erin, good in philadelphia is a political scientist, a story and an author of american exception, empire in the deep state in providence we have a lot of move. goldstein is the chair of the department of slavic studies at brown university and here in moscow we have sonya event, then ended. she is an independent journalist. alright, crossroads and the fact that means you can tell me any time you want. and i always

appreciate why don't we always talk with to speak with you because you and i have talked about this before over the years about revisionism. so i want to ask you a personal question. your you were born in the soviet union, you were brought up in the soviet union. and you clearly remember of celebrating commemorating victory day on, on may 9th, in to you. what is your memory tell you what was that? was there ever a disparaging comment about the, the, the western allies and their participation in the war? because i have never heard that in the quarter century. i've lived here with this. the, the russian federation has always acknowledge the role that western allies play. obviously they focus more on their contribution, but the west doesn't want to a it acknowledge the suffering that the soviet union experience during that group horrific, complex. vladimir, it is. yeah. you know, growing up in the us, of course it was a holiday, very beef color. they, they all, you know, it was ready, you know, may was face to face this time for us or may was, you know,

they all, you know, a and i, in the night of may well, great days. so proud to a celebration. everyone of us, of the brain here, that's why it was one of those. probably these i remember i have friends for was decent and then like it is, you know, they, they assist them. and yet, you know, if i would forget to call them on the 9th of may and to congratulate them, they wouldn't be offended because they, you know, they, they went a little more, they knew what it was. and they remember that it was like a very important, so i saw them. how does that, you know, many cultures may need, you know, through the agents cavities, cavities over the membrane. and that's what sort of a rush that did. and of course, it's really kind of a just dry jane a give or even not even get a lot to say offensive to see what was going on. and the rest that has been going on for a while. yeah. they're just starting to kind of, to present the russians as incompetent. you know, a bunch of people who didn't know what they were doing, one live by,

by jumping under the guns and died. and they're all of a sudden, and somehow kind of just a to, to do all of that to diminish it. of course, people who, when some of the war french americans are jo mazda, they remember, they know, but it was more concerned as efforts to brain was the younger generation. i remember i had a friend, according to a historian who was in germany, and he wasn't just celebrating and it's something that was like, people say the bother didn't get a bill. and he said they, well, i some young germans making fun of russians and some good, you know, green, i'm looking old gentleman say, what the hell you're talking about? you know that it was his use? well, this way, way. what destroyed so he would just say to a lady with his own eyes in germany, which was born like 25 years ago. we can imagine how bad it is now. well, aaron is, is got, it is very, very bad because over the years and is particularly since 2014 with the illegal change of power. and ukraine is a, is a, there's,

there's presentations that ukraine differentiated, i'd say, determining which of course it didn't, it wasn't, it was an independent country at the time. but it's almost at every single level. there's this attempt to diminish the soviet war effort, which is it's, it's, it's, it boggles the mind losing 27000000 people in your own country. and the west is it treats it as if it was an after thought i do. i'm saving private ryan, that the war was oliver. go ahead. aaron rides the soviets. losses in the war are the number that i've been, that i've seen more off. it is 26600000 with rounds up to 27000000. and the losses for the us are, are 400000 with the 200000 e in each theater pacific and european more or less. so that means that the us, if you round the soviets up to 27000000, that's 840-0000 rounding error,

which is how much the us law. so the us rounding error, the rounding error error for the soviets, really is the loss of the us in the war which isn't to diminish how awful it would have been to be, you know, fighting in okinawa or on the day. but it's to say that the sacrifices of the soviets made in world war 2 are on equaled and in human history, to feed naziism. and this is probably something that this really service will be bitter about in, in retrospect of the residence today. because the effect of that were our world war 2 and the enormous soviet sacrifices was really to hands the us empire over at global capitalism in the former colonial empires. or soon to be former and the empires and the globe and the global south. this paved the way for the us to become a global juggernaut unrivalled in human history. i think the power that the us had after world war 2, they basically absorbed the access into their own global capital system. you know,

sonya, one of the things, you know, i, in the way i presented this program introduced this program is again very different than the narrative that you'll find in the west that was victory over fascism over and id all a g. okay. now what you'll get if it's remembered in the west victory over germany, okay? over the germans. ok, but it was an ideological struggle and, and, and for many people and it's very offensive and i'm glad that why them or use that word here. is it many and russian feel today that they're fighting the same ideological f o all over again? sonya yeah, that's right, because a, i'm a so i'm from euro and they are claiming this, you know, it's a socialism and that system. but they use it. the german all the time, but actually it's not system and processing that, that's what we know. and also there's something to we is going on. and now you wrote because already in 2019 the,

you foster resolution saying that actually the war or started that through the mental and most of the agreement that the war started also by russia. so, i mean, and then they are, they were 2 totally 10 states that was russia and it was germany yesterday. exactly how good cool is. so as from this time of actually already, before we can see that your is there, me. yeah, they try to do is, is eunice, and this is what we see all the time. and it's getting worse by the day. like, uh, today is the last you using mac. yes. yep. yeah, it's, it's, it's crazy. of course, in her outfits with a yellow and blue cross and naming that now it was the last piece also claiming that you guys know, and i see some verses of it's not a match season, but the rest is in my game, those of us who is this was he told so yesterday the very funny video i saw him. so i mean, euro is re writing and research history. not only this, they are denying,

actually the last part of your liberal rates is by the soviet union, the red army russians. and actually they are leaving a lot of people in germany who are also a member raised the name of may and the date going on there. and i think in some places they can show the slack and the member made a bunch of course, the praise complaints again, but this is really heavy terminology is going on and it is what i hear it is. it's increasingly, yeah, it's pricing. actually i can see comparisons between the no and 19339739045 because russel colea is very, very terrible in europe. and this is when they did when did use in the 2nd world war or the opposite. yeah, absolutely. right. and then what i call his lo uh, basically a liberal authoritarianism, the liberal fascism even is appropriate. i think now of why don't mirror it,

put this into context here because you know what we're having this revision is i'm going on. it's really quite extraordinary. but uh, the, the, the nazi soviet pact of 1939 it is portrayed in the media. is that an alliance? but i mean, it wasn't in alliance. okay. i'm just picking one of hundreds of possible examples here, but they're always conflating the 2 here. and you know what, it does, vladimir it, let's fascism off the hook is. that's what it's doing. it's actually rehabilitating and slowly but surely vladimir it. yeah, it's what, you know, this, this idea of what we will and this is very obnoxious. you know, we, we should start a and b, a pool and try to prevent the best we can, you know, what not just was they didn't for, you know, or re, sees and destruction already one who, who they didn't lie over at home or they declared it oh, you know what that meant? that's what do we have to find out? of course, you know, if you're not happy with the way it started and what was it,

the region people associate and find that it's a different issue. but to draw the equivalence between countries is insightful and acceptable because basically, you know, 1st of all, if we ended up being, you know, allies, england, the united states, the roster, they were allies that were fighting please. so generally gated you will be sort of targets in concrete groups of people, slabs, jewish, gypsies, how much extra was your name and they would destroy them. so these would, would have to fight for and just try to somehow i gave the whole thing and bring the equivalence. and in my do the, what else is absolutely unacceptable including this particular, you know, it was not a, not sort of a non war agreement. they decided not to take a job, it doesn't mean that the l eyes, so i'm just confused as easy as well. if it's the same time, you know it was it, bridges, government whole model. there's a lot of game on the with a jeff,

jeff jeffery, providence of germany. and they agreed on with mooney agreement that was all done by your bins. right. and worked with the same think we can, you know, give you all want to have the same argument. you can say that it was made possible get, but at least on both sides of the wall is that we will then don't. that's as if a going to are your great, you know, the air and what is the point of rewriting this history? well, what, why do they want to a race rush? the soviet more experience as well. the fundamental geo political issue for the, for the, at the anglo. so, you know, the land is, this is to make sure that germany and russia are not united the, it was a, you know, russian raw materials and manpower and in german industry. and so this is why you had them, i mean this goes back to world war one and the fears of a, of a berlin baghdad railway. a lot of the end is blowing up the north stream or setting up the military industrial complex. and in the early 19 fifties because of

a dollar flow part problems, i really wanted to corn theater and i had that note i had to go to a harder break. i have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on victory over batches and 78 years ago unsafe with our team the

the the welcome back across stock where all things are considered. i'm peter available to remind you we're discussing victory over fascism. 78 years ago. the okay, let's go back to sonya here in, in moscow, sonya might my father find in the 2nd world war. he was an e with g one in okinawa, and he very rarely talked about it be because it was this, so her risk was it was what he saw what he experience. but he still was

interested in the history of the conflict and we watched together was quite young at the time. but we watched the world war and it was a documentary series about the 2nd world war of the entire war around the world. and it was a british documentary, and it's one of the greatest documentary is ever made. but you know what? sonya, you probably can find it any more. okay. because it's basically slowly but surely being deleted from the 8th or okay, you. every single episode was on youtube 10 years ago. now you can find maybe one or 2. okay. and you know why is because it gave a balanced view of the soviet experience during the war. that is for both now. sorry for the german. go ahead in moscow here. sonya yeah, yeah. the that's true. i mean me, myself, i'm from the middle of and we always and celebrate the integration of massive some of the system made sort of last week somehow and all the sort of made estimate an

average of all the data to follow. and what the prime minister on the minimum is due, in fact, it's to lensky to be on this evening. but supposedly we can memorize all the people who were fighting for us on the phone. and there was one, the very special person in the middle, and she's called how these, how she wasn't coming there. so they will not remember her being wiped out. and this guy knew semanski wisdom. and the statue somehow announced the don't let them . and then they said, oh yeah, we have to commemorate all the best people in ukraine. this is what they do in your and a lot of things. once you set on youtube, like in the world or more, i watched it too. and you cannot find it anymore. and then there's a lot of things now going the money channel as a let's see a going to promote great american all next on board. only when they got scared the rest of what did they want? allow lu, i'm going to play in mississippi, but then they, they replaced him to play impaired is just impressed that you refused. they had

a very good in the restaurant. i just brutal but bad and this thing continues. it'd be getting a very important, i think, nowadays, because there's a new thread on the google horizon is china and china against somehow we knew were women. so it's again, an attempt to control your beings to prove that. don't go to russia, don't go to the oldest corman is a be a bio bro for proof of product, which is 5 times more expensive destroyer kind of me do your own thing. so i was going to news on voyages, continuation of the cold war. and they, they revealed war, the war against matches is somehow pushed in the spring in the direction the rest them propaganda was to go, you know, area and, you know, the western audiences don't understand because they're grossly under informed about history and, and contemporary politics. but i'll give you the, the take from us go. so let's look at the countries that are aligned begins with sanctions, you know, trying to, uh, um i, uh, we can russia as much as possible as

a secretary of defense said so, but if you're in moscow, you know what it looks like. it looks like this grand coalition. oh, the same coalition that was against the soviet union. it's remarkably similar. okay . except for the west as far stronger because the united states isn't the big is involved from the beginning, not in 1939 to part by 41. so, but you know, the, it's that because of his lack of understanding or willingly, willingly, not understanding history. you weren't doing, you can see how the other guy, the other state means that your opponent, your adversary can see the world. but that's what people see here aaron. right. i mean, the reason that the germans and the japanese and italians went with this fascist system is because they're a stablish ment of capital as the oligarchs felt that they were threatened. and that the only way to survive was to just start murdering all the opponents of the

capitalist oligarchy. and so they formed as packed, and they called it the anti common turn pack. that's the real name for the axes. and so they defined themselves by opposition to capitalism. i mean, sorry, opposition to communism. and then after the war, the us basically picks up a absorbs all the worst bugs and murders and terrorists among the japanese and italian, fascist, and the nazis, and uses them to murder on behalf of the us empire afterward. so the you could say the us took over management, the global capitalism. that's obvious. but you can also say they basically absorb the global fascism and are now still to this day murdering. it's a, the opponents of us capitalism. you know, it's sonya, one of the things i find most odious and disgusting, is that demonizing russia or trying to erase russia. but they, what was fought against and destroyed thankfully, and 1945 is reared its ugly head with western support in kev. okay. and, and,

and you know, it happened, it's happened so many times since the complex started where you have an as off patch here. and it been there a picture there and everyone kind of stumbled oh, it doesn't really mean anything. it means a lot. it means a whole lot. ok initially. so is an attempt by the west to whitewash history because what was bought against him destroyed is very real and it's not being fought against now is actually being supported with tens of billions of dollars. sonya yeah, that's right. and i, myself, i was in the house of students x 3 when it was just blue races in the special military operation. and you can see all the relatives offer lapses and assigns my income. and the thing was there. so, and i, so you have the good, see if you, where you know, and the evidence of this and they are really true nowadays new analyses. so whatever you want to call it, and the western media and full edition,

i think before other such a military operation started, they already knew because they had some articles. and i think it was a bbc or other a newspapers, mtv stations. they already said yes, um, yeah, ukraine has a problem because there are new notices and they have and i look forward to the also in 20162017. that there was in odessa to come in the ration of the union house . and then, and i saw the regiment there will be sent to the asshole so that they weren't harassing all the russian people or even b as a journalist was working on the street to interesting know, you know, sheltering things and already i sold a priest, then 2 of their ropes when they were finished with dyslexia alone, me and harassing people. so i think the west is denying them, but they know that they are supporting new and access. lovely and syria, this important that access. so they the knowledge and you know,

they just was watching all the things i don't know. maybe you know, they change the know different. this is what all right. oh yeah, yeah. yeah. that's i remember. yeah. a lot of me right. um, zalinski was interviewed by some western outlet and he was confronted by, you know, you, you, you have this, you know, nazi, neo nazi problem. and he, you know, what his answer was. they are who they are. that's the best he could come up with. with the last 50 seconds. go to you bought america ahead. yeah, they came up with this guy. they've told him to ship ship. oh, that's great me. there's a landscape that you have is like, there for, there is no, not to, you know, they direct monuments or ukraine. doyle, there's like a magical r 8 in germany. you cannot do that. this was the way c. you have agreed to go in the western europe, you cannot do it, but it raises you because all around the country, they are, they change the streets in the name of these flags. and you know why? because unfortunately, that's the only, but the unifying battle cry in the brain is also a nationally,

and that's what they do in the west condones. so that's, that's what that's from verizon perspective, from normal perspective, from ends a war perspective, it looks actually absolutely unbelievable. the minute you know, i, i'm surprised that not enough juice processing it, but that's a different story. i can ask, but you know, if you, if you can whitewash history and erase it, then you can, you can praise these people at no cost. that's why we need to remember. all right, that's all the time we have a want to thank my guest in providence, philadelphia, and m c, or in moscow. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. are the see you next time. remember costa, the,

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