tv Interview RT May 11, 2023 5:30am-5:58am EDT
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the, the so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation, let it be an arms race and it is on all sides. very dramatic. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very create ticket of time time to sit down and talk the
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the welcome to our 2 exclusive interview. i'm a so so again, today joined by about so there are now 2 because who's a member of parliament from c h, b, and chief foreign policy advisor to one of the prominent president candidates of to key and research a market a shuttle hello and welcome to the show. thank you very much. let's get into topic as one of the most senior former diplomats in the position alliance. i want to talk about what's turkish foreign policy will look like. they're a coach that all the administration in a recent interview. you criticized to keeps cutting foreign policy for being based
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on leadership diplomacy. and you said that this would be corrected with institution building. can you expand the statement? what did you mean actually to thank you very much for this question. first of all, i think it is important to underline that and doing b a k b government for the last 20 is institutionalization, has been serious and neglected. not only in foreign policy, but in whole levels and you know, aspects and for ministry, as far as the implementation of foreign policy is concerned, has been an unfortunate the sidelines. and that is what i mean a when i say that different policy, they will be institution of us, institutionalization of foreign policy means the mutual fund. it says to be the, again, become a very important the dynamic and elements for the, for them policy formulation and making. and certainly as far as the phone and policy implementation is concerned. when it was that our problems say you upgrade
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the levels that came from the ministry and then going to the other levels a but to get into a keep the government, unfortunately at the other level of raj, that all of your also established very with and cordial relations with patients and presidents function from both sides. we'd be of course the detach the very last moment and it will be the topic of the cake. talking about the foreign policy. of course, syria is at the top of the agenda of both for 2 q and russia. so it came out of color, start all the winds. how much can to countries policy towards syria and this military operation, and i'm not in syria change. is it possible that the turkish troops could be completely withdrawn? you know that according to the official figures, we have around 4000000 syrians who are under temporary protection status in turkey . and region that's referred to them as it effigies. because according to the
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geneva convention of 1951, you know that turkey has a geographical reservation. and that's the reason why it's very difficult for us to refer to the syrians in our country as they are coming from the east 5 at the geography. and they can that they need to do as a refugee's. but those syrians, of course, uh i, and one of the main reasons why a, the have to establish immediately after the directions direct dialogue with them asks this battle is important between on could and the mosque was because uh, can i push that over has time and again, several times mentioned that a v will allow the syrians to go back to the country and this will happen on the if there is a battle between on to the end the month. because of course, there are certain steps which have to be covered at 1st, the dialogue has the stats and then in the thirty's business, people expect it to make a serious investments and see uh because uh,
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a request section and rehabilitation in the city instead of 30 is necessary, the country has been devastated because of the civil war. and then of course of these investments, we also create the sustainability conditions for the city as we chose to return to the countries. as far as education eh, possibilities for the children that concern, job opportunities that concerns health facilities at present. so from this point of view, this sustainability is very important. there's also another aspect, the turkey cannot afford this all by itself. that's the reason why we are expecting a very serious international solidarity and that burden shank, particularly a expectedly to come from a european union and united nations, the united nations development program u. n. d p. and all these will help us to allow the syrians to go back to the country and they choose to do so and find out the issue that i want to mention here
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is, is certainly, and during the dialogue with a damascus, we also have to be assured that those see us who go back to the country do not be for us, it gets and this is all if that's the most, if we have a dialogue between on to then damascus. i think it is also important to underline here that there are certain mechanisms which allow the 2 countries a to develop fluid joined to combat against terrorism. i'm referring to the identify typical of 1998, which has been revised in 2011 and i think president clinton has the as several. okay, on several occasions. mentioned the importance of the protocol between turkey and syria. and if a turkey and syria a can come to an understanding to establish border security, and even though the key does not receive anymore, terrorist threats from the syrian territory. and then of course it. so it'd be
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perhaps possible to talk about the, a role of the 30 sheet forces on the cd and 30. but this may only become after degree assurance that the key would get from the city and government that there wouldn't be any danger emanating from syria against turkey's interests. there is now a political discourse uh, interesting, especially in the position syrians do to earn home. and i'm sick too much because the state, oh, it has the different speeches. he said we will send them back maximum within 2 years. so what is your portion of moving this? i mean, will the syrians moving into k have their own genesis if they want to go or stay into care? or you will have a strict policy of sending them because this is what the president candidates custodial to say is. it is great, quite clear that the the need it if i can use that chemical ish that has mentioned
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that they will be going back in, you know, that's of 2 years. and now of course, there are certain, uh, syrians who have a quiet, took your citizenship and as a around so, so a 100000 children who are born in turkey and a, those who, who are having to touch your citizenship. and they who have been integrated into the turkish, let's say you're going to make a living key. and so, so you're going to make structures and they choose to remain in turkey because they have acquired that, okay, citizenship and referring to those who have not required to it or just citizenship, but those who haven't collect, okay, citizenship, i, i only about so if you 100000, something like that. that's what the hear from the official is sources. or that's the reason why i am referring to that is c, as in general, take him, i could have settled a has issued numerous calls for to k you around or rec, and syria actually to come together. how can this be achieved,
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provided that those countries interest, diverge greatly on serial number of issues. thank you for asking this question, because it will give me a fortune to, to, to explain what we mean. it, this project is a, in generally referred to as the me, the least, the punishment corporation, a organization which has insurance. we refer to as medical or interrogation as they ought to do. but it should be, it should be lead to should be that they, which is, will be in the acronyms. now a, all these 4 countries are actually being seriously affected because of 2 important phenomena. which i prevailing key now, geography. and the 1st is international terrorism. and the 2nd one is migration. so these 2 phenomena are very much it intelligent, is a destination country, a particularly for migrants. they are coming from afghanistan. rock and syria is
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source countries because so many serious have left their country the rockies also do you do can see. but the app also can be also considered as that transition country and turkey is a destination country. so all these for countries being effective because of to say not to important phenomena, geography, what the helps need to get together and a find a come on platform where they can talk these issues. and that's the reason why a vi proposing this project, the project, the data to as medical. and if these 4 countries get together and establish a kind of an come with understanding about how to address these issues. i think it will be a basis for the cooperation in the middle east in general. certainly this project does not exclude other partners or other countries in the region, whether it is not excluding. there's not even using the laughter side. there's a, i know that that has so many international raptors or international organizations
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who have also an important role to play in that kind of project. so this is a project that the probably going to put into action immediately after the elections. and the view will certainly reach out to eat on the rock and syria and explaining how we can and develop this project that i refer to as the me, the lease. but there's been corporation organization and need to question how, what uh victor of uh, searching with custodial effect, if he wins the relations between the 2 key and the rest on a to is on current expected to ease its position. that own sweetens potential accession to nato mash is simply it's a 3 or if a question the every don't have any if you know mind. so the believe that on the 14th of may, can my police though is going to win the elections. a heading said does i think a of course to key does not make any distinction between the east and west and
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turkeys fully a bond of and is in compliance with the commitments that it has taken so far. uh, one of those commitments is, of course, uh, the membership in nature typically has been a member of nato, and this is 1952. so it is more than 70 is already. and this is a very important identity of turkey. but the, let me also remind you that a, during the cold water, for example, in spite of the fact that turkey a was a member of nato took, he had very good the nation service. this is the former soviet union. so turkeys for them. policy in a balanced approach does not make any distinction between a, it's a west and allies and its eastern neighbors. in fact, for school geographies are complimentary. a with one another. and 2 key from this point of view has a very important there's, so it gives you a geography. and this location gives the key the advantage at the vehicle distance
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to all these actors around itself. but there's not going to be any change it, you know, relations to be trasha after the elections. and there's not going to be change here in relations with nato, and to, i'm sure, or the new government and present the colors that are louisville. be a very keen to maintain this balanced for them policy. a con, that's it. okay. in india, right in front of us as part of the swedish member shift tonight to his consent, you know that last year that was it. it's a lot to remember. and when we 1st signed in methods, and it took us complaining because of the behavior of finland as reason and, and it's a reaction to it gives the action was used to attitudes of these 2 countries to peek a terrorism at some progress has been made and the few months has become a member of nato, and that took a sugar and nationalism to approve that. and i think sweden also made some progress
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at the beginning of this year. they changed the constitution. and this i think with the 1st of june this year in new low feel would be put into implementation and on met against terrorism. so all these actually showed that the sweden is also willing to make some progress as to ease the difficulties between speed and the enter key and to respect to the sensitivities of turkey. so he to me a, up to the new parliament after the elections. and if the new find them on the need to new the few that to so we didn't, has made enough progress. and so during the day, we'll look at it from a more positive points or fee to stick with the shuttle also calls for a roommate before the relations with a western countries can trickier combine refreshment with the west while uh, seeing for him on his core principles the coping samples of the piece for them
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policy is peace and a good neighbor relations with our neighbors and the non intervention into the domestic affairs of other countries. and it became a very important, honest broker or a facilitators in resolving conflicts. now, all these a basic parameters and main principles, so they will remain and that they will become the main parameters of therapy for them policy. so there is no contradiction to the end to it is possible, of course, to expend a, the, for them policy implementation of turkey based on these principles. and i think this is going to be probably the main change because the current government unfortunately has neglected some of these principles. what do i mean like that? a, for example, a money into invention into domestic affairs of neighboring countries has not been applied during the, during the a b a k b who are in the last 20 years. that has been a deviation from this principle of the
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a to just for him. policy and other deviation has also counted him as far as impartiality is concerned. because it took us that to, to take sides in the regional conflicts. and, and because it is something that he has inherited from other to others, as has always said that we should not be intervening to the domestic affairs of our neighbors in the middle east. and so whenever there's a conflict, you shouldn't take sides and came on to a conflict in factors. these 2 principles have been neglected and serious to violate, to the under the people. this is going to change and it's going to put into practice again and said that they'll be the main basic approach of the focus for them posts after the elections. can you refer to the specific examples of what you were saying, like, don't inter intervention to domestic affairs? do you mean syria and taking sides issue? do you mean those are vision and i mean, you know, as, i mean, i mean is nothing. the question here,
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i think the most to 2nd example of course could be syria. and because it is obvious that they are right from the outset, a, b, a keep you going on a 2 sides and the, you know, a position itself against a damascus against the us at the administration. i think that it appeared and it was perceived as a very serious innovation to be domestic effects. would egypt be one of your examples also? i don't think so because the key has not intervened into the dimension day affairs . but often what has happened in 2013, and at present more see it was in a way and dismissed from his position by him either to be a cool, eh, then there was the reaction of the government. eh, that was not an intermission into domestic affairs, but it was a position which in a way, a interrupted diplomatic relations between turkey and egypt for so many years. and
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i'm sure many people, and many political scientists admit that this interruption entered, downgrading gulf. the relations between egypt and the key, from it message, a level to shadow. this area alone has cost a turkey a lot, particularly in the eastern mediterranean and what's dense, real tricky hold regarding the cranium crisis during his administration and you as a form published adviser, do think that a real on could be able to make a big breakthrough in the mediation process, i think the, the new government after the elections, the continued to 80. okay. if you, if you, and at each and media in atlanta has, and others as of perhaps a new and of course, so a lasting piece has to be brought to the black sea bass and, and to northern neighbors. at all these, of course we will be a our for premier tivitz after the election. is there any of course of our tool during the foreign ministry?
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no, i didn't say anything key about that's it. but all these issues going to be suddenly decided after the elections. are you one of the candidates to be in the foreign jeep? i have not heard this a domestic policy question. you want to turn back to fund them into a system from the presidential one. if you can do it, what would that mean for this domestic public politics? i mean, what would be the benefits change in 2017, after the here that they're on the, from the parliamentary system into the presidential system has a created a very serious or sit back in terms of separation of powers in terms of the flow. because under the system that the current, the a implementing a, the executable authority is dominating and eaters, and on newport in power over the legislative and the judiciary. and this is
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contradictory to a democratic understanding of separation of powers. this has to change and that is the reason why the 6 parties and the nation and lions have come forward with the idea of the sinks in parliament. the democracy thinks in the, in the sense that it is not going to be as such as, go onto it to not be a turn to the back of the a deal to put them into the system. it will be simply a new kind of an understanding reach for, and hence the functioning of the separation of powers and read through and hence the role of the parliament a but the view of colors and ben as the approach between the a 3 and 4 and the thirty's, the executive, legislative and musician. now suddenly a, once this test formation takes place, drove off literally a premier in the country. a all kinds of full fundamental and basic rights and freedoms will of course be enjoyed. and they will not be in all new ports and they donation over the legislative body and or did you additionally,
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this is very important that i think it is important for the demo to see and democratization of the country. people are very much as binding to achieve that kind of a democratic took. actually, a part of government refers to the class of the prime minister and the president interest us history, which caused a very big economy prices for 2 to you at the beginning of in the beginning of to thousands of do you have any hesitation that the same unfortunate experience for to cute can be repeated. i don't think so because there will be certain employment safety mechanisms which will be interviews with this thinking, the problem into the system. and for example, one second example is as far as the annual budget to the control and the budget or accounting is concerned, it will be a special committee. it is truly established and it is the intention of dimensional
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lines to assign someone from the position a to the c h a person position of that or me. so this is actually a create can give a democratic understanding and the many new mechanisms will be introduced to ensure the a small functioning of the legislative. and that is the approach between the legislative and executive as some past examples of course, are the in history. but the, then that's a going to happen and there they can only be understood as individual examples, which can not be considered as a kind of a, a permanent if it's typically repeating possibilities. yeah, that was my final question on the southern non chevy coast. thank you very much for your participation. i thank you very much. and the form i diplomat to i started with my credit is in moscow more than 40 years ago in the soviet union. and the, i have a good feelings about russia,
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