to this, the americans manage to suppress the gorilla as only 14 year dependence on that a lot of the, i don't know if in washington, i mean we've been hearing this about how for months and months, the whether we need more drugs, we need more tags that don't have lower expectations and then to top it all off. well, we're well actually thinking more about the next defensive. not this one. i mean, what is going on, or is this just a psych up go ahead on right. as well as any serious military thoughts in operational planning, the cold delays are required for us to do again. you are in washing possibly as a radio, right? yeah, yeah. i've got a bunch of washington to see, love, beautiful work space and where they rom this company, basically it spend my wall and a lot of them, they planning everything is pointed towards in the home and so long. all of

these be off, basically your brain and the whatever is left of the armed forces. so to bring the hostages own vision trial bullet. this in doing that is page, specifically for the democratic national committee against those people who are of the party want to create a lab for whatever else we are want they want to be aware and staying for and so that they have to have some find all their foreign policy success because the ben robles pick up the store where we are across the warm a, got the meetings and the new the offensive to show that you see, you know, wait, drop off my answer. well, this good novels down a doing a deputy political generosity, best one on the stand for modern combined um for, for ease those people lost all their wars. the train of development and united states in the last 2030 years. was it been bought normal? it was insane. and when i looked at this as a lot the house, it's b r b,

you have strong cargo. look for a while mattresses and the strategic the price on the words for you know, while the sold, the armed forces of your plan will fail themselves and there's the fact that's it. okay. i know i want to get to rush is offensive a little bit later here. let me go to alexandra in lisbon. i mean, this is the way i read it and i've, i've, i've been watching on the is a videos is pod cast and, you know, i think it's a lot of p r. i think it's also fundraising. there's a never enough never. and that we need more money, we need more days, we need more of that. okay. and user issues, everybody turns a blind eye, which i think europe is going to truly regret that one day. but alexander, i mean, the, the way it's phrased here is that to retain last territory maintenance very vague here and, and then, and then what do you agree we gain some loss territory and then what, okay, and this isn't, this is a, a politics without any kind of goal. okay and, and that's what makes me realize it say in the beginning talking to andre,

this is like a psych off operation. i mean, it doesn't seem very, we'll the what, what is we? it was a lot of people are dying and that's very, very tragic for all concerned. go ahead, alexander. indeed, but the main problem regarding this so called account, the real fast source is the scope of the expression that come through oppressive beauty. so in order to the derby how, what extent you to be perpetrated or not like here? so we don't know yes, easy this the fast you will be for student, but the ranges, you know, what be no way that they don't cover the entire front line. some blocks are only a few barks, and actually what we are looking presently is that the recent in ukraine into movements environments, as well as different questions conducted by the risk and forces in so as a whole j areas. actually they reveal the analysis of the real fast you may have

already begun. in fact, if we look of the more recent news we see that it seems to yesterday, ukrainian is were trying and still trying to bring the defensive lines into southern valuable part to more indenting to head the west. you've got the legs and also the, the volume steve was forcing and taking some, pressing you, brittany, and seems to box the we have to wait. if you bring in forces, you'll be able to hold the positions here. and actually in case they can, is they will try to take advantage of this success or not, in order to last the other guns or a text from the place. especially if we go through this direction was previously pointed out, but you're getting pretty gorging as likely for the basic bi, ringing through. yes, at the same time today we heard that there was the teen don't, was about to provide a long range me science for your brain. and there might be able to cover the entirety of the 3rd 3 multimedia. so now the main question i believe that we must

make is, are they going to better start the counselor and they're in the entirety of the front line, or they can go see this itself, the president, texting the most as an adult, the fantasies. and they don't want to commit themselves we, you know, some, it's all very ambitious goal. they're likely to say, now what's on that? i think that, you know, one of the things that the media has done in framing this conflict. the never should have happened in the 1st place is about territory. it's not really about territory. it's about destroying the military capacity of ukraine slash nato, because it is a nato war against russia. and so i think that, you know, all this hype about taking this pound or this regional, i think it's, it's a purple, it's, i think it's a waste of time. because the, if we go back to the original goals, the militarization indeed knox vacation. but the not vacation issue is getting rid of the resilience k regime. and that will happen when there's

a complaint military collapse. andre, the wheel mail the brand new march. there's federal legal for last year and again asked if you will get back somebody will they do away. they don't have very large floor to mon, any meaningful offensive when again, all the spam there is a very profound difference between the app, the faster and the something we show versus this is a good objective in there. if any longer scale the thing butler factors, memory need to let someone know that you know, and how we approach our objectives and engage that any me courses. they don't have required scores, maximum dig in home for all practical successes, which won't be long. that's the 1st line of defense dr. office to realize that brands by russian ministry, a little depressed by russian armed forces. so and i will really see that basically

they don't sell floors, they don't have the gas wash ever get anything which big school from the find old there on, on the street, you know, within the range is being shut down and these are almost, you know, they know how to do all the normal, how the lab, the more am i looking for your rate each year. they all have the bands. they don't care for all 400 south all the armoire which will for some kind of watch what a collection of science is there. you don't need the pieces. and when you look at this are, yeah, the only thing they have, what is where the only one original direction. so the appraisal direction is being b are the same as because i thought it was you with the axis. so the speed. yeah, they might throw a lot of bodies, you know, a lot of dental warner, and i'm sure it's already this case. there's nothing on there in the great picture . what you're going to be on stage, the fives of the whole. certainly there. yeah,

they might get into a yeah. oh yeah, al examiner that took to this point right here. you, you mentioned these long range missiles here. 11 of the interesting things and said, all these missile systems that they do or are bought to do, you know, the high tech and all of that there's, there's the, i, i've talked to military people in the, they're not as good as a claim and they were always designed to fight in the middle east against, you know, you know, go hurt or so. okay. not against a, a peer power militarily. and i think again and get, this is a lot of posturing on the side of the west. easy. then you know, a, a, be a blank check approach here. i mean, there take saying this because they have no other alternative. they've actually back themselves into a corner. alexander, yes, indeed, the excellent goes to entering to this present situation. and it's also the import, the dentist scouts are offensive if duties, there'll be any real fast seats with a strong impact on the at least on you bring inside this may have for the future of

cable, sort of these as well. you have also a huge impact to the west as a whole, so it is highly respectable damage. the western boise co representatives, actually they are not and feeling any kind of plans, maybe because they don't have any concrete plans. they have expectations. they haven't been feeling. they have been feeling awful, a lot of money and a lot of weapons. so this is kind of a account that will be delayed just last summer if you remember. so actually what we know is that western leaders, they know exactly, they have to bring in forces. they are not as well prepare as they wanted them to be. it is highly unlikely that we think we've been provided is not enough to be successful in any job opportunity. but guess risk is meant by next week. but also because this time the rush is i'm not willing to draw and to leave the directory

that each other from the control like it on the property, like the indian to fast. so cute rarely been to the west, the spacing in the process. they have to choose, we must increase, we have to try all kinds of different, really better solutions, even if we were, we could try this. so these long range missiles, however, if it's successful, perfect, we will try to explain the solution. however, if it doesn't, because it doesn't bring any kind of success, well then we need to stop looking at the solutions or find a way to leave you premiums alone on this topic because we don't have any more capacity to keep feeding these kind of effort. wow. like land or the outside or at some point at some point i think we're pretty close to it. manpower and ukraine is being exhausted. i mean, what trucks are they going to have? ok, i mean, this isn't, you know, you can, you know, the us can print all the money and wants, okay. and your opinion of all,

let's jump to the old hardware. it wants for free and getting rid of it, but you can replace man, that's the issue here gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break and ask you about your break. we'll continue our discussion on counter offensive state without the stone, if you're not already know that'd be due to the missed the shower and the bone. the soldier monument was erected in 1947 in the estonian capital by the soviets authorities, origin. any bells have found the burial site of troops remains its memorials of the soldiers who gave their lives in world war 2 will say risk at the department service give william forgive for really confused. in 2007, the stony and government decided to relocate the monument from the city center. i've got the apartment to appear. we're in the center of frustrating to move

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the welcome back across stock, where all things are considered on peter level to remind you we're discussing counter offensive the ok now we're joined by gilbert caro in saint petersburg. he's an independent political analyst and author of memoirs that makes pat manager in moscow during the 1991. welcome to the program, gilbert, i'm glad you made it. if it's already the 2nd half. but if you're always welcome on this program, gillard are the 1st part of the program we're talking about the real or unreal counter offensive. but everybody's talking about been talking about for months and kind of your expectations or enthusiasm. if i can use that term on this program. so what about what russia is going to do? because gilbert, you're in st. petersburg, i'm here in moscow and let's be honest, you know, this frustration, you know, this thing keeps going on. and we know the day we,

we know possibly possibly with these pentagon lakes, i don't put a whole lot of stock into them, but we can throw that into the mix. what about rushes, offensive go gilbert? and i think the issue isn't very closely as our to see about the calendar offensive, or coming from the counter eventually without the credit is then without taking into consideration the items you were discussing. just before the end of the of the point is what happened today. you know, sometimes the delivery of these coast missiles by going to the main force that is a gauge and the mr center is planning the same, excuse me, destructive role as a sensor. of course, johnson johnson b shocks in march, 2022 and sooner is in

the in the, the counter stage as you cream, any way to see for the 2nd because imposes on rush new conditions and games changing conditions. but i mean, i think the rest of us will have to reconsider why don't they already were put into place to put into place measures to introduces modern, strapped, heavier equipment and more modern equipment to may have used previously. in this campaign, the introduction of missiles was constructed also is a different story. and i don't quite agree with the us to express them separately for the limited options of western certain players or for the strategies to buy a link for the 1st section. missiles which makes the through russian designs that

attacks so much. so try me in any way or another major city in the more remote area . i think that will change and tire the nature of this or it has the well direction to 3. yeah, the gaping in mind with gilbert does and then let me go. go back to andre in washington state. here we go. obviously is to widen the conflict. i mean, i think there's a lensky gang. i mean, we're going to go down. everybody has to go down, width is okay. unfortunately, there are lunatics in washington that may be interested in that the proposition here because of their dismissal hatred and brush it is not about geo politics. if it were this, they never would have started go ahead on the right. a. yeah, there is knowledge of how they give over here a job. duration will give you more in this by racial can come on world war 3 on the board. there's way one, but what have issued us from what they're showing as the funds are,

which was the federal going to be, are in the are russian there to do, or what are sure you're in the house of? well, you were my mother and i was letting you know it's you, next time bill singer sewing down the question with us in terms of their a escalation which of course, armed forces in washington and london sig, i mean, and again, there it will decide is this pollution problem and uh, i found people like to disagree with our gilbert, but this is not a game changer again. so what this is spectrum, and that is why they do a discount each user planning and download thomas in there are actually generals back. so it is expected, it was full list expected again, that's all the money was and i can say all is simple thing. ok. yeah. victor, you certainly be able to form a version of ross and the secretary of this you, what is it gospel cheese on black. i was just saying if you give them their 100 that you want me to arrange them a longer nice house, we need their home wonder,

you know the corners. yeah, that's what we're gonna strap on. so and i guess for a while down and is that right is bigger, are comes down that there will be a leak or any with me. so i wish printed rates that yeah, they might just call the car and it's going to be a whole which they against their will stop. oh, i would say around there, you may in the, uh, you know, have some issues with their number of defaults. and this is not in the like the say those words, because this is where it's kind of implied and evil, or united kingdom for its efforts to stay around one united states. we'll lock. com, d, be ross while god. right. all right, are you close the on this? yeah, this is down. know results pretty at least successful there. okay, uh, alexander in, in lisbon day. i don't know if you saw it. i hope you did is that spelled and bird had a interview with the washington post

a few days ago was one of the stupidest things i've ever read in my life. i mean, never being asked a hard question. anyways, he said, you know, a nato's involvement and you've created since 2014. i thought they weren't, they knew crate. i thought they wanted to call belligerent. i mean, this was this asinine. i mean, this man is just being a mental cripple. but, and he made it very clear, and i think he's a, obviously he is a cut out for washington to some degree london. but you know, what you pay will become a member of nato. well, then that means this conflict will end on the battlefield. okay? because that is something that, from the very, very beginning, rush has made some good, clear will not happen here. so this, the, it's really interesting how, you know, we, you have a neighbor was a general secretary, which is willing to do pro ukraine under the bus because it, with that kind of mentality, there will be no credit ukraine left. go ahead, alexander. yeah, well actually system, but it was just confirming all the,

not only the ideas, but also the perception, the such a good word he was performing. you're absolutely right. he was a performer. i'm sorry. is it a rough go ahead? it was under the only him, but also if you remember a limb actual as early as 10, so on all of them actually me to the time to, to, to reach an agreement for the mist agreements was just to be done. so this wasn't the decision taken only on the moment. it was previously bland that they wanted to achieve these kind of goals and to be present the new grant. they wanted. origin change the new grant in order to bring. finally, you're probably not going to be in union for one where they knew that they were not any longer be able, that there wouldn't be any issue available any longer to get away from the union. but they also wanted to do going to be go dependence. all didn't, they don't, so actually these using no surprise sheet, they all have been performing for all smuggling since 2014,

but it started basically previously if we take to at the register all the, the, the hearings, all jeffrey, the former us ambassador, do it to you, right we, we can see that even looking to finance or team she already has me is all this. so it's not a surprise only for, for people here in the west that are still trying to support the idea that actually this conflict only start to be during february 2022. well, let me tell you, it has and it has started way before that time. and also waiting for the are on my back. so slowly this is a huge problem because they have to find a way in order to bring in some kind of bellows. howard, you're so that's the reason why i see that's actually he admitted. so think that we all already knew, well, you're fine. you know what else into gilbert, you know, what else? he admitted he didn't say it directly, but it is obviously his words speak for themselves. is that, you know,

with the unique house involvement and ukraine since 2014. so i guess i'm sorry, i guess it wasn't an unprovoked attack because using his own words, he not notifies the claim of an unprovoked attack gilbert. yes, i agree with your slides a really just a bit or so basically marks this in cautiousness in actually contradictory goal. while i'm sending out now for for several years that they had to and that this was ok. however, i have concerns is administered on what the results and this is the cost of the action of london. i don't see how russia can move civil. ready back to 270 kilometers in a short period of time. when discussions over the last several months have shown that it could take months. it's not years before the start of force

level and you bring those back premiums to the so the british tax has come to us and is the things that, as i say, it was on the particularly on the grant. i think service of the from center resource. i agree. i agree on that. i speak the speak to that. okay. i mean, it's one thing there. how do be having a conflict in ukraine itself? and i mean, is it major cities in crime, me or attack that that, that to use gilbert's words forces hand, what do you think on that on i will or didn't disclose any kind of those standards here. see of us the whole is on the dash. possibly. it's called the it's out. victoria, really the flow flight will be gone. shall be

u 8. news. you have this shoppers, you a nice just to read something last week. i believe there are a lot of apple device boats are almost balls with try to you on land, sharper space equals. so she wants to use prime the living with the shop, the, the, your near, the practical college of felicia here. will they get a little bit more complex started or she has been will? absolutely. but this is august the crime you know, just being at basketball stuff. okay. yeah, alex and everybody can go to you before we're going to wrap up here the last 30 seconds here. and neither side is going to give up. that's the problem, is that at 30 seconds my friend go ahead. he's a likely to have any kind of agreement when we have this, such as the 1st and to such a head. and there is separating both parties. no, no, none of them are willing and available to see and to do queens offer any kind of

point. and because there isn't one single point where the parties can get closer, i believe that's the only solution is to one of the parties to answer that with the huge defeats on the wrong. or there you go. all right, gentlemen, fascinating discussion. tragic guns fortunately, but that's where we are. i want to take my guess in washington state lisben and in st. petersburg. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our team. so you next time. remember, cross cycles, the,

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