the the . 2 2 1 of the weapons that private companies use against whistle blowers is the court's. knowing that whistle blowers can't possibly pay attorneys to defend them over the long term companies will file lawsuit after lawsuit motion after motion to where the whistle blower down and in many cases cause bankruptcy. the whistleblower often times will then just give up. there just isn't any more money, but sometimes the courts see through that strategy. sometimes the good guys really do when i'm john kerry ok. welcome to the whistle blowers the jonathan taylor spent 9 years as an attorney for s b m. off shore,

a dutch multi national oil company as b m off shore. also had a us subsidiary called s b m, off shore usa. during the course of his employment with s b m off shore, taylor became aware of evidence of bribes being offered to government officials in return for lucrative contracts. this is a crime pretty much everywhere in the world. in the united states, it's a violation of something called before and corrupt practices act. that's a serious crime. in the end, s b m offshore agreed to pay a $240000000.00 settlement and dutch authorities for violating the bribery laws. and in addition, as bmw offshore usa paid an additional $238000000.00 for the same crime. as bmw offshore usa also pleaded guilty as a company to criminal charges associated with the bribery. that's a story with a happy ending, right. not so fast. in july 2020 taylor and his family were on holiday in croatia when he was arrested by croatian authorities on what's called an interpol

read notice. although the warrant was withdrawn, taylor was not allowed to leave croatia. his family returned home, but he ended up stranded and croatia for a year just in case the government of monaco, which had filed the charges in the 1st place, changed its mind and decided to seek his extradition in the end again after a year. he was finally allowed to return to the u. k. and the pro ration judge closed the case against him. as happens with many whistle blowers, taylor rather than being lauded and honored, has had his life turned upside down. his career is in ruins. his personal life is in tatters and he was forcibly separated from his family despite the fact that he was never charged with a crime. and still, 2 years later, he is being pursued by the government of monica. we are very happy to be joined by jonathan taylor. jonathan, thank you so much for joining us. we're happy to have you,

jonathan. it's unusual that a case of whistle blower. retaliation is so clear, cut usually wasn't blowing as complicated and messy, not so with this case. you saw illegality, and you reported it, your company and its subsidiary admitted their guilt and paid a huge penalty. the story should have ended right there. what happened next? and how did monica go get involved? so it's, it's about what happens upon discovering the cost, right? corrupt pulse of, of s b m, and it's at reporting. it was helpings on coming up as much as possible because, and i think disclosing to the also to use as little as possible. this became evidence of a question and young. and i started feeding your thirty's with the full story sussing with the us securities and experience commission like graduating into about

$56.00 of prosecute this this is actual was and i started these spins obviously fell, attempts to minimize the level of disclosure out formats i became every member, well, if you will. um. oh no. today the company is being fines. about $847000000.00 us dollars spent over 6 different prosecute since the game had it had this way. and the fine would have been considerably less that obviously being presents of a 2 full ceos and counseling. but it was my involvement in blowing the whistle, which was issue quite successful as far as the winter blade is concerned. but something not in terms of why private life. um, uh, the uh, the full unfolded. um espn um was

a, uh, a golden, a suite for monica. it was a blue chip company. but monica, once it opens the head closer in monica, the relationship between the company and monica was close. uh, monica is on the size, spams or related products. then the on extracts and business functioning platforms on it stands. um they going for a missions to get the space and espn representatives clicks. i was even open to price at the parentheses and so full espn 2 i'm sofa. um i also have being the product biggest private sector in toya in monica. monica was not happy with me. i'm curious to know to who came to your defense. what was

the reaction of the british government, for example, the british government over the past 20 years certainly has been on the wrong side of national security was the blowing. but on these financial matters, we've actually been pretty good where they helpful to you. so the, the british government got involved relatively lights on light sites, information to the service for office in mountain. and they do use that to that benefits in various prosecutions. when i saw supporting i was on the the next edition proceedings stuck in pressure, their initial response, public response was what connection was said between taylor being a whistle blower and his being arrested on the inside of co written notice in the prospect. in july 2020. what was the relationship? ultimately, there was an emergency question in the house of parliament and the house of commons

on the following day, the house of lords. and that's the defense was constantly repeated. however, such as the trust parties support for my case and the fact of the government needed to intervene within the week. the governance line had changed to one of kevin price, a need to treat taylor as a result of that. it's really difficult to ascertain what help they want to me. they probably said they wouldn't get involved in legal proceedings in a 3rd party country, which of course, it does what it wants to. i don't know what went on behind prize tools when various governmental officials came to craig shot at notes. what's extent my case discussed is certain people on the outside. certainly fortunately i'm on a pill i was allowed, helps protects report station types of pay. 15000 years and fell at my possible

openness, the homeless cases. but ultimately my international law outside of the cabinet determines and that's the red light. this has never been issued in this way to display them. in some hope it's monaco should never have allowed never. that's just another thing, despite the bible and the code to issue that night is and it was withdrawn on the 17th of december. my french lawyer, william bordeaux, requested well named was already in the way in the meantime was speaking with the investigation judge and mama to about my son on saturday coming out to see if it was all fixed. i was now choose to go out towards the end of december 2020. however, the much the public prosecutor had to withdraw all the request for my expedition in fresh otherwise chrisy will pounds. so keep hold of me. unfortunately, the prosecutor didn't do that and i was so i had to stay out the same price if it

was still another 7 months i had to prosecute to allows me to travel so long. okay, to see the investigation judge um i was almost certain things i'm still remains. i went to investigative my nice and i'd still be working in the law. so it's pretty much the science as a vendor of revenge. you know, i repeat experience the biggest private sector employed in one of the ties between states and the company a very long and is very tight. and i was on the wrong hands of a persecution by the states of america. what role do you think s p m offshore had with all of this? i can't believe that a prosecutor would just decide on his own volition to target a whistleblower who had come forward to report on an illegality and the legalities that was successfully prosecuted. the prosecutor in monaco must have been put up to it. can you speculate on that? was the company behind it?

perhaps a government might have been behind it. i was one of the, the 1st people to make your thoughts. he's aware in brazil, the prosecution for so as to the corruption at patrick process, the national gods company of opposite over espn funding bribes to some executives. and as the results of my information, what was that as of ration cos i began and it turns out that the experience bribes and menses they what that was if you aspect and then a whole lot of visiting firms and comp tells paying bribes and it was an mention of the international companies. ultimately, this led to shoes protests at one point. they were a 50 protest and 50 visit against cities east protest of at least 1000000 people. and ultimately sold to the doubtful of the,

of the presidents juma roost. she was in the past, minnesota energy, and the for the chairperson of pension, press m a c c, looks i the saw the incompetence for this guy on the watch. so let's proceed by some us. perhaps nothing about what was going on with with nothing or do you know the else to that? in addition, i should add, the espn, russo found to be paying the work is spotty. that was the president's policy. and the $1300.00 for the 2010 presidential campaign in support of children who systems the 1st campaign. so what we're looking at bear is, you know, the corruption was now on the mining democracy and what is the 4th largest democracy in the world? so you know about the bribes and i go to the tv people below the poverty line, my types of traps. so i'm asking millions where that money should really be invested in the infrastructure of schools, roads,

and hospitals. let's say essentially the expense of, of the fix of corruption. so perhaps i house to the east, the beginning of the end of june, the recess. he was ultimately of costing pete's a time was as presence of brazil. the further information i found out since i left the spam is the, the towns and see who did i need just come on board about about a month before these revelation surface, he was found to have him sign off on a private just being well reports. it was just like a $35000000.00 to go to accept subtracts, including the van, had someone go, let's see, and go to the muscle on the gas company. some improvement? well the since a he went on to the vice president of the country. so the soonest, i think, $5000000.00. so i have managed to mess information,

something which i didn't even realize i had that's i was able to divulge a 2021. the thoughts of h is mind is often the espn. but the overall message is, you know, i had the kitchen sink, started to be yes, i was very successful, visual buying, but i have to suffer in obviously it says, hey, simply play somebody in the world who puts the supplies the wells is since the notes ready for us, there is no way of that. i should have suffered what's i've had to suffer for bringing chief to the faith of islam, of corruption. that's injustice. i have paid and i know it's past due penalty. my life has been changed. well, katy forever. i was on

a very happy family hold of a on the 19th of july. i'm now as i say, i'm divorced, i'm jobless. and the last 2 years, my in laws that should never have happened. i'm hoping that low make is the well, uh listen to my town and it's not something i looked today. it was something to attain the opponent a realize that's robust laws needs to be passed for the protection of a. so perhaps i'd like to thank our guest whistleblower jonathan taylor and thanks to our viewers for joining us today, i'd like to leave you with the words of psychologist dr. jennifer frasier, who said, quote, speaking up is one of the most difficult that's a person can carry out. it requires immense courage and sacrifice and quote, she's right. it does be courageous. be like jonathan taylor. i'm john kerry aku. and you've been watching the whistle blowers, we'll see you next time. 2 2 2 2 2 2 the. 2

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