the main street because i'm probably going to make you comfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again, you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the way inside the the welcome to our to exclusive interview with me as so. so i am doing fine, mr. give chance. i collect the heads up for an affairs commission on the turkish parliament, also member of parliament from assemble of park to thank you very much for your time. thank you. let's get into our conversation. looking back at 20 years of age of type are due on empower, has to keep being transformed. has trick here actually found herself a place in the new world order. oh, 1st of all, of course it has been more than 20 years since i've party and our president has

been ruling the country. i don't prefer to say empower me, but as the government and the ruling party and as prime minister, i'm president. and of course to kit has transformed herself from the early 2 thousands until now, where we are now is 22 and 3. so there has been a change, of course, in world politics. and it's a tricky always had a place in the global order, but the reason to a lot, months and last 20 years have seen a change in the world order on the world politics international relations. that's a reality is 20 years ago. today there is a shifting a lot of things and to regarding that, of course, the shift of world politics also cars to, to, to adopt herself within the world system and the world order. and that sense, of course, church, it has a place. uh today i believe that we have put forward and bored about

a very strong place of end with politics and diplomacy, and general and international relations. if there was a, there would be a change. we will, of course, adapt to it. but the reality is that's 2, which is a at the table in all negotiations and all international decision making processes, especially in the region. and in that sense that we have found a place. and we have established funds with a stablished place in the world or to mr. coach, according to the latest polls, the majority of the church people see the country's native partner, the united states as a potential enemy. to what extent do you agree with this opinion? and what is your typical and chick is relations with it's nato allies. of course, nato is a defense of lights based on, on an agreement, as has been signed more than 56 years ago. it's actually entered 70 years now. um and church it has been a part for, for of nathan for a long time. it's been more than half a century. and in the defensive lines,

of course, we're talking about countries that come together. every country has different views on certain things. but there's a general sense of, of being together regarding certain issues. now, of course, funding the funding time of nature was during the cold war. it has a different backdrop than it has today. we have seen a shift in nato's roles from being a safe keeper to wizard. so you could say engaging in certain areas of defense and security alliances. but there is always a perception. it's not only untrue to me, we have to, we have to be very frank and open about this. there's always a certain reservation towards united states politics in the world. i was born and raised in germany and i know that in german politics there's also a reservation towards international relations and the the attachment of, of the us or, or their point of view. just at the turn of the century before we became the

government into care, there was a strong rift between germany and, and the united states. will there need to realize as well, there's also the for deep differences between fronts in the us on certain issues. so yes, there is from time to time differences regarding certain issues and, and the view for it on these issues or how we should deal with this in depart, public perception to public view. of course, if you look at it, the united states has in are you an easily inc, still some things that are hurting to just do a particular position and also security. namely the p k, k n y, p g and p y g. a partnership with the terrace organization that us is, is putting forward. they're saying it's, it's not a terrorist organization wipers. you people are the, we're seeing it isn't their own. actually at the us intelligence is saying that the same people who are running the p k k are also at the head of the p y, p g and p y d. so these are the differences. also regional issues and security

issues. there has been a long time debates going on in church, in regarding military coups in the past that we had and the animals and of the united states. now, of course, these ideas or these thoughts are not being helped by the fact that after certain years we found outs or find out that us has been active in interfering and international internal relations of different countries. so these speculations and ideas of course, are being fuel in that sense. so it's, it's on the us to work on the perception of the people to the united states. but generally see, we have differences with are the different nato allies. but we see the alliance as an important the lights, and we are part of this, and we are actually the 2nd, the 2nd largest army of nato. and also we are one of the 5 countries, the 1st 5 countries, the contribution to the budget of nature. and so in that sense, we're taking very seriously what the need to align stands for. however, like i said, there are different point of views,

different approaches to certain issues and to we are not deviating from those. so in a sense, we could samuel also steering nato in the, in the correct direction that we believe it is and should be on certain topics. there was a certain amount of distrust regarding us, u. s. foreign policy. just recently the interviews or the views that present bite and during his election campaign a few years ago i gave regarding to to democracy. democracy unfolds eccles landscape on helping these of course, these, these kinds of wrong attitudes and wrong attributions. do not uh, diminish, in the sense the, the, this trust of the people towards us foreign policy, but fuel them. so it's, it's not on us. it's the us part that they have to be clearing out. but yes, we could say there was a, there's a strong resentment regarding some of the actions that you guys, us taking in international politics. if you're saying that you're trying hard

actually to have good relations with the nato allies at the same time rush century to your cooperation has been growing ever since with despite the rest of the green conflict and the best western sanctions on moscow, pistons are due on visits, summits of the bricks, group of countries and other eastern political unions actually is turkey, pivoting towards alliances with eastern powers. now, international politics is an area where and you have your own country's 1st points and certain points and your own countries in people's interest of heart . this is a reality of international politics. so we are part of nato. we are part of a lot of this alliance. we are also part. we are negotiating country to become a member of to, for you opinion, a full member of your opinion. the reality is that we are not shifting. but like i said, in the beginning of the world, the system is shifting in certain areas. we are not looking at a world war 2 polls like i said in the cold war and there's delays or lines in the

shop. now, this is not the world that we're living in today so that there are certain areas where you have to act sometimes alone, where you have to act with lies and where you have to act with different countries or neighboring countries together. in that sense, we're taking the interest of the turkish nation to touch people at heart. but we also trying to fulfill our duties towards our allies and alliances. now there is different sensor issues, the membership of finland and sweden to natal. now freelance has been able to become a need to remember what the support of to to you. however see is reading is not at this point because reading is not fulfilling. it has not fulfilled yet. the obligations or the promises that were given in metric last year. and that's the reason. and so in this sense, there are differences, but it doesn't mean these questions were asked to us in the future in the past, as well as to which is shifting towards this, or that when, for example,

in other european union country or nature ally and certain relations with different relations with russia or for example, the eastern countries, china, uh, or india for that sense or japan. and then there's always that nobody's talking about a shift in the countries politics. but if took is acting in the interest of her own country. and when people then everybody's trying so well as here is to just shifting, we're not shifting very clear. the 1st engagement that we have on the 1st you to that we have is towards the people i talked to as our country. and in that sense, we're trying to, when we're doing this, we're trying to protect our interests, but we also working too good from the countries. sometimes we have differences in china, for example, a lot of european union countries have very deep economy correlations with china. and also the us and, and in that sense, with india, a lot of european union countries or need to allies have

a very long ranging wide ranging evolution ship with india as. so why is to choose having these relations are we asked? or if they are shifting or not, we shouldn't be asking them, are you shift? i think it's because you are a very strong country within they don't. we are, we are a country, like i said, we have the 2nd 2nd largest army military force. and our borders, of course, are next to very, it's unfortunate. it's hot spots in the world right now. i mean, we have ordering syria reporting, iraq. i truly see we are bordering washer and deep. right? and then these are right now hot spots where there is a big problem. i think situation going on. i mean the war in ukraine and also the, the civil, the stable situation of syria and iraq. and of course we have you around to the east, which is also not the very, very easy neighbor in the sense that there's always also not only around what the,

what is your on doing and being our neighbor. of course, we have a different relationship. we have a closer relationship with, with the run. and sometimes we are also uh, getting some attention regarding our relations with you. um, but the reality is there on neighbor we have most economical ties. we have social ties and we have a shit and border which way. sure. so uh, we cannot be behaving. is this as if we are on an ocean away? this is reality of life. and so, yeah, i mean, the position of turkey is also in a sense where we can into influence positive outcomes in trouble regions which we are, which we're trying to do to this also get into the politics. mr. college polarization is a term used very often within 2 kit and abroad. actually do agree that to turn out the elections turn out will be a crucial factor into q because of how intensely polarized the country has become recently. well, if you look into other countries political landscape,

you will see that a lot of countries in the world right now we could be characterized that as being polarized us, for example, the democrats and republicans out there. if you're following their statements and their tv programs and their, their realities, and you can see that the us is, is the pull the rice right now. in germany. there's also polarization. and if you want to label it in that way in front, right now, people are writing in the streets because of a certain decisions that president mccord has taken regarding the pension funds and the pension. this is age and it's only, it's only coming done. now there's about, there's also a very strong result. any political route it pulls equal situation that you have in the country are going to an election. will of course bring about a bit more tension within the country. but i would not say that that we are deeply polarized. but if you ask me about the election participation determination of the church, people have

a very high to and also records in the past. so we are very and i would say, responsible in the sense of going to the ballad books since elections have been held into a chair after the after the fifty's. since multiparty, the rule is introduced into cat people have been going to, going to hold a lot. and we are actually one of the countries that has the highest turnover in any which also if you go back and deposit compared to other european countries or the us, or any country that has the democratic for the elections. so the journals will of course be a factor in the result of dealing. sure. but it's not because we are seeing that the country is polarized in the sense, or that there's a difference, a difference of opinion. it's just that the turkish people do like to go to vote and to take their voice and make their voice heard an election because they believe that when they go to the election and votes, they will also have a say in the countries future. so in that sense,

we're taking democracy at heart as you just mentioned, the voters living abroad. i also know that recently you criticize german and not allowing a living to set both access to every state, but saying that the old church borders in the country should go to the embassies or to come. so it's why do you think germany made such a decision? unfortunately, when we asked about a expansion of molding stations, if you will, the boxes in germany and of course the, the turkish states, representation as being the embassies, the general consulates, and the other concerts were allowed, but the extra undoubted book. so christ was not granted by the federal government. we have to make a distinction here because germany is a country which is a federal government, which is a federal state system. and the states have decisions making power is about there on certain areas. now,

no city or federal states has said no, but the federal government, regardless of, of this factor has said they're not going to allow the extra ballot boxes that will be open. one of them being in my birth city, i don't want to be sounding like a conspiracy if there is, i don't believe in conspiracy theories, but the reality of the analysis that i can make is that this was a politically motivated decision. uh, not to grunt extra ballot boxes. first let's have the election, which i know will be a very, very good election kind of in the, in the end. but after that we will sit down and talk with our german friends why they've taken this decision. yeah, let's also talk about um for an intervention issue, which underlined by a different chief move, whichever shall. uh, what is your take on the latest economist cover with the title, the most important election on to and to in history. which was adorned with the tax . save democracy and our don moscow will come from the economist. of course, it's

a very it political because the economist is representing the is there presented in the country or they're publishing in the country is u. k, which has introduced the world to the world camry general. so we know that unfortunately on democratic interventions and the okay have happened in the past. so i think they're trying to put forward a different picture in the world in different directions and, and trying to x and to put the picture there that and saying that we're not alone. it's not only happening to the u. k. now, um, it's unfortunate that they're trying to put this in a sense where they believe they can have a decision making a power or decision making the influence on the search people. this is not the case, and they will be quite shocked after the people go to the ballad boxes. but this is not only happening the okay, not only economist, unfortunately, we've seen this in front. we've also seen it in germany. and so there's always this

interesting attitude, where is the, where are they saying we're doing this by the free press? we're doing this for democracy, but they don't like it when it happens to them. if we go and say something to, for example, our diaspora, which is living outside of to, to and if they're asking us what she would do or this, we give them an opinion it's, it's up to the people to decide what they're going to do. but if they ask me an opinion, i will give them an opinion. uh so they're seeing anything that we're seeing or doing as election to variance, but they are doing it outright and very openly. and then there's a belief doing it as democracy. this is not democracy, this is plain outs, interference in solving countries, decision making process. we're trying to integrate. um, so i believe all people will give them the appropriate answer on the 14th. but of course, in the sense of international diplomacy, there's all of the things that we have, we can say and are saying, but there are also some things that we are waiting to see and do after the election

right now we are in election campaign. and so we're taking, it's a bit easy in the sense that we don't want to increase any, any weight tensions. but we see the realities, we know what they're trying to do. and uh, after the election we will sit down and have a very open discussion. and i don't think it is in any countries or any publications, rights, or they don't have any kind of a justification for what they're doing. now i know them which evasion is a hatred towards prism that one and the, the i sent you that they want to see present ad one gone. if you look at, in that sense, there's a, there's also a political idea or philosophy representation in church here that has come together and they will only image to this thing and openly. and they only image to say well and to achieve that, present ad one is another like the president. now if you are acting in the same way,

then i have the rights to ask the question, are you working together? so let's go back to check interest of relations with an in case question, in case the searching like glitch that rule that is elected into the presidential office. how could be the relationship between russian truth you effective, could we expect equal relations with russia? if crush started on the wind, slowly my vehicle is that all of mr. calisto is not going to be a president. so i don't see the relevance of even giving the default of what he will do or will not do in the, in the political sense. but if he wants to know how he sees it to the kid, i'll show relations or international relations, he will have to ask him. i cannot speak on his behalf. and you'll notice interview, you have stated that your kids natal countries to content and talks with both sporting parties in ukraine realtor to continue to play this role. and is there any chance the country will extend the green deal if you want to call the shuttle take

silver? so this is not to come with custodial, but this is about, you know, the state policy. and that's a political part of policy. maybe you will have an answer for this is this i can analyze for you in the political sense and political and wonderful to go view. like i said, i don't believe that the, the opposition parties audio position book, or in that sense mr. coach the it will be like a president. however, if you ask me if we have a, how we are going to look at the situation, it's clear we are in the position where we're saying, there was a war in the ukraine. and this is an unprovoked attack by russia to would you crate? i'm not going to go into details about how we are living since more than a year, no and degree. and we have very clear stands on it. and i'll present has made it very clear that he wants to see association of, of violence very soon and very quickly. but also there's realities on the ground.

for example, greens, you, this is something that as an add on personally, what's uh, working together with president fulton and other international organizations has brought about. and we're taking it very seriously that it's that the green and the food that is produced in the ukraine is being shipped and transport it to the world because people are in need of, of, of this food. so this is different chapters that we looked at have to look into about, like i said, i don't know what mr. philly started was planning to do. and what were, what their, what his parties planning to do, or what their cole parties in the alliance are going to do. because i've seen that also they contradict each other different foreign policy experts or foreign policy representatives within different parties in the party, in the c, h, b, and, and their lines right now with the h t p. there's a lot of different views on what they can do will do or would do. so. i don't know

how they will look at it, but our stand is clear. ok, some people in true to express their fears that if mister ad on those as the elections, he will refuse to hand over power. what is your take on this while the people who are saying this or trying to portray a picture in this, that they don't know the president's didn't know his track record, didn't know how he has been constantly since more than 40 years been active in democratic political environment and how he has been elected after election off the election and took into office. and he is, we are very clear on this. we are here in the democratic sense. we have always said as our party and the president has always said that the people decided to buy the books, the turkish states government is decided by the people at the both books. it's not decided in any laboratory or by a notary cause or interference from outside the turkish people besides the ballad books. and we believe that on the 14th they will re elect our president. and so a,

i think there is no need to look into and, unsubstantiated the ideas if you will, or allegations and towards the present in the sense that we are very clear under the democratic process in turkey. and we are always working. we have always worked in 20 years to increase the democratic participation of the people. and so i think i've track record speaks for itself. i would ask you, who do you think would been to presidential election, but you already said that you believe that the president at dawn will win again. but why do you think so? well, if, if you look into what the political opponents of a prison ad on a party, so our particular points are pushing forward and bringing the people's attention. i don't believe that the people will support this because i believe it's not in the interest of to, to i don't believe it's in the interest of the people. and i don't believe that

they will be able to persuade the people to support them. now of course, they are made out of $78.00 different political parties and trip presentations of students in particular views. so the, there is a big $78.00 block or one side and, and there is a party and m h p, together with also different smaller parties against a big wire, 80 of, of different particular presentations them, but the starting point of the opposition or mr. clarissa was campaign, is that he is running for office as president, and that he will have 7 deputy presidents. now if you go into the street and ask a shopkeeper or somebody who isn't in business, how do you expect to uh, if you have a company, how do you run your company? would you have 7 different co owners or general managers?

everybody will say to you will look, this is not how you run a business. this isn't the business side that we're talking about running the government of the country. so i don't believe that the people will, we will accept in any way that one, president, 7 deputy presidents will have to sit down, make a decision for some people. takes this as a meeting in a common sense. meeting in a common sense is bring your ideas together. you will not be there's, there's ideas as political philosophy. and then there's the realities of running a government who cannot sit down and have $78.00 heads of one issue. so you can have a cabinet where there is one head of the cabins. president prime minister. you have a discussions with your, with your ministers as the government. ok, then you take a decision, but you cannot have 7 heads. this that the difference here is that they have 7 to 8 heading figures. this is the hard part of it, not. i mean, they have made

a declaration. when they made it came together and decided to run as one alliance with different party heads. and everybody's saying something else, they cannot even agree on the fact. if the p k, k is a terrorist organization or not. i mean just recently, one of the candidates, unfortunately, who we see deviating from his past. he was administered in a, in our cabinets as well uh, i served with him also and cabinets. but he mentioned the federal tourist organization in a very different sense. they're saying it's, it's some kind of slip up in the tongue, but i don't believe it is because you can slip up once, but both white twice. so in the back of their head, there's a different massachusetts and also on the p k. k. terrace organization. which we're seeing very plainly, there is a member of the federal lines or a supportive member of the lines, which is not able to say that the p k. k is

a test organization. and they're talking about the security of our people. how they wants to bring about the security. how are you going to protect your people? if you cannot even agree on a terrorist organization that is unfortunately responsible for one of 40000 pets, of your own citizens. the, the take a fresh look around his life kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions

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