a i'm action or a tendency and welcome back to a brand new season of going under grantsville, broadcasting all around the world from dubai in the u. a. today, while britain gives away billions of dollars and weapons divide russia, it hosts the grand finale of the politic recharge univision. so in columbus on behalf of ukraine, such as the full spectrum cultural and the military unity in europe. again, small sco, joining me from any military post west point in new york is us soldier and veteran who has advised ukraine's armed forces commander in chief generals illusion. he done right. c one is purple. hot in the rock was now president of the american university, which is in ukraine. then thanks so much for coming on the show. so i mean, in your capacity as a landscape commander in chief of ukraine, is it? well, how is your life change since 24th february 2022. uh yes, great question. uh, do you know, obviously the, uh, the war guy was attracting for the whole world and uh, and changed a lot of lives, some lives forever. some are no longer with us unfortunately,

so many victims. um for me uh, i became involved with the uh, the crane war after i took in some refugees in miami and uh, and they were in training refugees and i thought that would be the end of it. but it turns out one of them, new presidents, zalinski and generals lose me, and they saw my west point materials all about my house. i live, i live alone in motors. the generals originally like because i mean, he was in the us papers for getting a $1000000.00 from a microsoft, um air gregory step. and that's what, what does he like as well. i mean, that's a great story because, you know, immediately when he received inheritance of a $1000000.00, he gave a 100 percent of it to the ukraine armed forces. so he took 0 dollars, so he's kind of, he's, he's a committed, humble servant, brake sense of humor, very western. he's a, you know, he's broken away from the old soviet style command and control is a great leader. and he has developed his leaders and subordinates to care about

human life, to, to be much more humane than the old russian soviet style. and then i think the history will judge about he and presents a lensky with the right to people at the right time. you know, is always key leading the international effort in the political effort to get the, the kind of, to the world to rally around your train. and then generals lose need to focus only on winning the worst. i mean, did he know about the fair leadership institute? did you a part of where i think he was speaking to be from which talks about the the sort of cross dimensional leadership styles and the courses. but yeah we, we just corporate as well as ministry. yeah. when i was introduced to his staff, you know, they've added me to see who i was and, and what when background was on the, on the west point, the former airborne ranger qualified officer and served in a rack. and, and yeah, my partners and i started a company 13 years ago today actually in the salt their leadership at west point.

and our goal was to teach military leadership principles and learning to corporate executives. and so my background was very well suited to go advise ukrainian military when i say advise mostly what they needed was for me to help translate things back and forth between the us. since there was no us embassy at the time, and there was no us boots on the ground store and there was a big gap between the 2 armies. and so i kind of fill that gap to you mentioned, no american soldiers there, but i'm sure you're aware of as the so called us mainstream media already covering the pendulum in leaks which suggested that there are indeed us forces on the ground . do you think they'll be part of any counter offensive and when is the counter offensive happening? i don't believe there's a u. s. troops on the ground. i think all those leaks were rubbish. and i've seen certain parts of the leaks that i know are a rubber. so i think the, whatever those leaks were with the investigating them that there's a subject of its own over the age of huge instigation into the me. when is that not

true? why investigate? oh, no, a, i mean i won't get into operational security things, but you know, the enemy takes partial information that they gain through clandestine and services . and then they rehash it and they put in a lot of the things they want to uh, you know, people the things so you can take it to true side of stolen information, add a lie to it. and suddenly everybody believes that all 3 are true. it's just a basic conclusion, miles from britain's about the 15 k special forces and new did off in the us about the 14 us special forces. you can never confirm or deny, otherwise you'd be caught in this thing where you're just denying. and then by and by not denying it, you're confirming it so you never die or confirm any of that stuff. so any minutes there were 14 special forces. i mean 14 people couldn't do much, but i never run across the team of a low. did copy handling well john, cut me in the state department in the white house. have they been handling these leaks? well, because they said, you know, the report is very,

which are not the hardest reporters in the world. they were going, well, it is just a little nonsense and if it's or, or as you suggest, tough troubadour, intermediary entail. why do announce loudly that there's going to be a multi agency investigation cause that suggest some thing is true and these tend to get leaks. oh, i think if, if you know, if, if they believed there was some information lead to, doesn't have to be all of it. so that the, it's not a binary thing. you don't have to say all of the information. sure all of it is false is because that's how the enemy operates. they take partial information, and so i, i know much of that is false that i've read time. so, but i am not going to confirm which i know and which i don't, but i do know that they can't go through and say, yeah, that one's true. that was false. yeah, it was true. so it's really obviously an operation that another or an agency was involved with, in my opinion, my humble opinion, but just because of the 21 year old. oh, i wouldn't even speculate. i mean, it's a very sophisticated so there's only a handful, but who, who wins out of this?

you're not going to tell me where the general solution he was irritated by his i know, was irritated by the fact that there was all these stories from seymour hersh about the embezzle embezzling of us public money. from. did you see any, when you were in ukraine? the us public money valuable being wasted on mercedes cars and the like. you know, i mean, most of the things i was working with were, were a weapon, systems and hard products, and they're treated like national assets like nobody's going to take of javelin and sell it on the open market like these things are treated every single soldier, every commander trees these like gold they, they know that their lives on their nations existence depend on it. so you know, any, any. and that came through like a usa id that was funding to keep the government running or something. i would have no visibility to that. my, my, my work was mostly with the military. that's how much i was a black lock of weapons training. i was thinking just luxury, cars and lifestyles of those people in the capital as opposed to the front line, ordinary men and women on the front line fighting rush, you know,

i can't tell you that. you know, um i think president zalinski has implemented some very good policies and, and that to load of people while he's done that. but he's also changed the law as like the, the anti corruption task force used to not have any teeth. so they could suspect somebody that they could actually take it to a charge or take it to a court. now they have teeth. and so these are, these are fundamental changes in the laws that allow your process to work effectively. because let's face it, there's corruption in dc, but you need to have a good, could you just real system to be able to go after those corruption and corruption? i mean, i've been to pay a street, you know, we had and the moment they had in the mood side group, which was fighting for ukraine on the, on the show. and i think it's, it's dissolved now. i don't know whether you came across them, whether they were any help. i mean, they were cool. and mozart obviously as a echo of wagner, he did. did you come across the i never came across my person. i did correspond

with them a little bit here and there. um and i think he's really stand up amazing guy. did they you know, they had some issue with corruption within their organization. he denied and on a garage not and he is. yeah, there was something going on there. so i think when i would correct, i don't believe they were fighting their out. you know, rescuing innocent ukrainian civilians are caught in the fire and so they were, they were doing some amazing work. i'd say from a humanitarian standpoint, they weren't like the wagner group, which the mercenary group that actually is doing fighting for the russian. so very big difference between what andy put together and what, what the wagner been doing. and yeah, you know it's, it's the atrocities and things i brought in the group are doing on top of that. just the is a, it makes that a comparison the only the only reason they're compared is because he named it the opposite of uh, the wagner group. and so people compare them, but they're entirely different missions and people. and uh and, and yeah, i think they did good work. but they disbanded due to internal issues. the same one meyer and the melbourne of the mozart group and, and seeing the very different type of goshen who last i had was he was insulting

the russian government actually about lack of ammunition, but milburn said that the ukrainians are in violation of a convention. and that he looked at this closely, there's a, a, he said there was an educational aspect that ukrainian soldiers were engaged in room and violations of international agreements, killing welsh as well. just do it surrender video with them. if you did, you come across anything like that. now i haven't seen anything like that. and, you know, i've seen the opposite. i mean, i think you're, you're russian soldiers that are becoming p o w. as they're being treated fairly and they're they, they get sent home and the prisoner changes in their fat and they're very healthy as opposed to the may associated ukrainians that come back having suffered torture and all kinds of things. so, you know, in a giant world that's coming from mil been so when you respect saying the grain, the way that our, i mean i every violated and that's like asking, it's like i is going to football player at after a game. you know what they experienced alignment with the quarterback,

a very different experience. so he may have seen things that i didn't, that doesn't mean i'm not going to challenge them. i'm just saying, i think the random military, my experience has behaved incredibly, professionally, incredibly professionally against a heinous, horrible, or the russians that are raping, torturing, breaking children, stealing, i mean, institutionalized, stealing of children across all of ukraine. you know, this is really 5th century horrible stuff, but you know, if you have a soldier or 2, i don't know how many man andy seems i've seen do something wrong. and the frame is that i would think they would be charged and taking up the they obviously that i all of that from the denials and all the different sides. when is this account or offensive that i know you've been appearing on occasionally on the big networks in the united states about when is it going to happen? and you, in west point right now must attack that there is a certain where he is only part of the nature of nation taxpayers funding. this was the american spending so much so much money. a wild infrastructure collapses at

home. what does the ukraine need? and when is a calendar offensive beginning? you know, from the, when it begins, obviously that's classified and i don't have any classified information on the exact date. but i think you'll see that uh, you know, back move. the 72nd russian brigade has largely been destroyed and a large part of bucking mood has been taken back. which, you know, you can say that's a tactical offensive, or it's part of the major counter offensive. i think time will tell was that part of the main effort, but you know, you don't attack in the spring that was foolish for the russians to try to attack in the spring. you can't, you can't attack armored vehicles through mud. so as the ground hardens with the sun, it becomes more passable for armed vehicles, so they can fire maneuver. so i think the more we get towards the summer, the more likely the attack will come in a counter offensive or multiple counter offensive as that's what happened last august and september and car keys and chairs on the russians. of course, say that they have a mazda plan, you know, of it right at the beginning here was all about, not taking the capital,

it was about stopping supplies, etc, etc. how is your a rock the, how is there any other plan was taken? definitely was captured, keeping within a week there making restaurant reservations. russian officers ranking restaurant reservation for the next weekend, and they denied they denied that they did. how is your experience in iraq and to create your comments? officer, us army for the 2nd infantry division. how is that helped you understand the battle in ukraine? because arguably, one could say the americans last in iraq is lost in every will. vietnam ask and is there on wherever i would? how is it definitely disagree with that or definitely disagree with that we, we won the war by 2010. we had 0 casualties in the whole year in interact, we have won the war. we decided to give it up politically. it's very different, very different way to look at things done. right. so i'll stop you. the law from the us veteran who has advised ukraine's own forces commander in chief generals, others need after this break the

the what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy foundation, let it be an arms race and it is on a fence. very dramatic. the only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very critical of time. time to sit down and talk the welcome back to going on the guy, and i'm still here with them right? the bottom of special adviser to you, cranes, and forces commander in chief generals industry. do you think shocking or shocking,

or style tactics by the russians? if they bonds key of the capital, just as the americans destroyed baghdad, the health ministry, the education ministry, do you think that's webpage is making his mistake? he needs to go in and just compet boom, the capital of ukraine, just as the americans did back that i would challenge almost every word of that sentence question. so now you know the americans a, we liberated a rack and we tried to keep casualties to a minimum we, we never attacked civilian targets intentionally. very different russians only attacks the billing targets for the most part and key. they're not attacking anything military and key because there really is nothing military. so when you send 25 cruise missiles on may, 9th, uh for every b victory in europe, day at keys of which raytheon shut down 23 of 25. so the 3rd air defenses are getting much, much better, but they're attacking ball civilian targets. it's entirely different. do us didn't attack, especially, i mean, maybe one or 2 accidental aaron bombs,

which you have in any u. s. did not attack civilian facilities in afghanistan and iraq. or so they never, it's actually really. so is it intentionally knowing those tens of millions killed wounded or displaced by us, pulling it down on tens of millions, direct tens of millions channels. really good ones as well. that's the just to get some way off. ford for those wars. now the united nations with sensor displacement thing is i'm, you just mentioned that actually in january and there is a propaganda war about the civilian killing. of course, what did you make if you were to the report of 38 killed or wounded by us applied? i'm was, i guess, a divider, a civilian hospital in east and ukraine in january are the ukrainians actually targeting civilian infrastructure because they know zelinski is signed into law banning journalist from the front line. why would you do that? you know, there's a, there's $1300.00 registered a journalist within ukraine. so journalism has been promoted and supported and i know this because of the former chief, a strategic communications,

a friend of mine. so them registered and they have allowed. now when you're about to go on a counter offensive and you don't put a bunch of people out there with satellite phones that can all radio back to uh, you know, x y z station and in different places, you're probably going to counter function within your, your kids that lives are at risk, but now they've, they've done a phenomenal job overall, i think in a, in, in helping to try to communicate to the world. exactly what is happening in real time. the russians. i mean, it's all complete this information. i mean, you can see the stuff being circulated by the russians. i mean, they're pretty good at it. that's what actually their biggest strength is this information misinformation. so this is a strong because uh, i think most people in nato countries would say that the russians of the bad guys here, as knowing their assess for, i mean, they've been, obviously there's a 1st amendment in the united states with in europe in the and britain they've band or t television and so on. and they've been able to, man, all news coming from russia is it was in the united states. is there

a growing constituency or adapting the war? aims of, uh, washington and uh you great. i mean, i did, she just said it was the best. so the russian, well, it's showing that it's assessable, the lucky and hearing some of your questions. so they, they, they are very successful in making people think that some of the things they put out are correct. and they do it very effectively because they, you know, they're, they're led by occasion, be current, like you spent his career with the k g b. so, you know, they're, they're government is more focused on that type of thing that he grew up learning as a soviet package, the officer. so they're very good at, at it now. you can only hide the truth so long when it's so heinous, the things they're doing, you know, when they're, when they're saying they're liberating russian speakers. well, everybody in your brain spoke russian because the russians occupied it under the soviet union. so that's a good excuse to take back all of the soviet union including laterally or speakers before the soviet union in the land mass of where you. great. yeah, yeah. as long as you've said, the russian military reflects russian society. you think it's a bankrupt culture,

morally bankrupt, and the intention is to kill women, children, elderly. what do you make of the banning of russian literature in? well, presumably in the over here all the american university and you grant. well, the 1st thing i'd say is, um you challenge that there were russian speakers and ukraine prior to that one of the soviet union controlled ukraine, you know, basically for the last nearly a 100 years. so of course that they were forced, they forced pressure upon them, they made everybody learn it in school. they, they taught them all their propaganda based non truth. so you know that they were not telling the truth, trying to trying to institutionalize this. but if you look back, if you want to look back on history, i mean the, the history of the ukraine is much older than the history of about moscow. the russians, early as russians, a grand big 3 general secretaries of the communist party. where, you know, i'm just after you know, what do you feel is the president of the american university and ukraine when dusty epsky books are being destroyed down the street as well? i'm always a supporter. free true isn't as free speech that,

that the truth will make it free and that, you know, we will not band free speech on campus whatsoever. i mean people, if they have opposing views, they should voice them and, and the best ideas are accepted. so, you know, we'll, we'll be running the university if you feel personally knowing that tall story is being burnt or destroyed down the street from the fact that you're, the person that told me that i did not know that size was covered under where it's covered in us maybe, you know, i haven't seen that. and i also question when something's covered like that, a question, what does that mean? like, what's the government banding it or with who, who did it and when and why? so i was not aware of that. what i have seen is things like to have implemented laws because the russians have used the excuse that they are, they invaded to liberate russian speakers. they have said that vendors cannot speak russian, they almost speak ukrainian. so they're, they're basically trying to say, look, we are ukraine, you can't allow food and to keep coming in reading, you know, every 70 years because he,

because people are speaking russian. so they are forced on the ukraine to be the panes see language, which i actually agree with on the same way. that's like spanish in texas, isn't it? because obviously those who don't those who don't phase where was invading us. if metro is invading us with an armed force, which some question whether or not, but if they weren't meeting us with our funding or coming in the, i mean, i think, i think that the democratic united states government would have to consider all actions. but i do not, we, i against the us constitution. i'm sorry. what were you able to to do then to be? i don't think any supreme court would allow that, but hopefully you don't have an extra central freight. we also don't have an ex essential threat. that's a, that's a mass of armored force that's invading, trying to raise kill, pillage would destroy the culture. it's not just the military award to military, political, economic, and religious war. so if you don't think that the russian orthodox church is heavily involved, mostly with spies, so you agree with the best, the fusion of the russian orthodox churches leaders as the alleged by those who

support romance can don't yet console him. i didn't say that i didn't say agree with persecution. i agree that everybody should be investigated, that there's lots of people that you have to investigate in a situation like this, where you have an active kinetic operation. but you also have guerrilla warfare from both sides. so you have to investigate people, and that's what you do. the fundamental military question is, we're coming out of time when people are pushed into a corner. as a military man, i think you'll know what people do. most of humanity voted, refused to vote, to condemn russia at the united nations general assembly when the events of uh february last year happened. and why are you so convinced that if the counter offensive and successful, no tactical nuclear or technical conventional but high powered me. so will not be aimed at the capital of ukraine,

or even suppliers of the weapons, countries that supplied weapons to i mean, the north stream, obviously, pipeline explosion. the news about that's in russia are all the time. why you so convinced that these countries will be fine, or even united states interests small, why be remedying base in germany is safe? i'm not, i think rushes out of control. i think there's a chance they couldn't use tackle new. i think there's a chance they couldn't melt down this operator and then show a plan. i think the world has to agree that we can't be held hostage by that with a particular on our, if they did that. so the separate who just like southern russian, which he doesn't really care about. so he only cares about st. petersburg and moscow. so a little bit initially the fall out in the southern part of russia is not gonna bother to. he's been known to kill his own people. it kills his own people all the time. so that's really because i'm not only at home because i'm abroad because these are, these are always, he would do that. but so you're saying that it is a possibility that your advice to the commander in chief of ukrainian forces,

which presumably included the need for counter offensive could destroy the because you just countenance the idea of a new field. now you've just taken, you've just taken 4 different, giant leaps of faith, polluted using a tassel. new is up to him. the question is, what does the, what does the west do when he becomes an aggressor and takes over a neighbor, enraged pillage loose takes the jewelry. that the reason why china and russia going to attack the united states when they legally invades the rock. because in the united states has nuclear weapons, this is the idea of a deterrent. but what now the one, your advising to generalization is in phase the invasion of a rack. nobody, nobody ever expected us to take the ground and hold it for our own purposes. that's what rush is doing here. that's an aggressor, nation or a liberate or nation. everybody knew we're going in, we're not going to stay there. and we did. we won the war and we didn't stay there . we kind of taken all the oil. we didn't, we, we never take, we never take the resources of the countries that we help liberate whether it's

from so, as i mean, most of the world give me would probably make the difference on that, whether it be libya, syria or afghanistan or whatever. why no peace talks? why is drunk could be saying he's against peace towards the chinese plan for peace talks, negotiations destroyed negotiation. you're, he invaded the same dictate, or was there in 2014, when he invaded the same guys here in 2022, all the land he took in 20142022 needs to be retrieved back and needs to be liberated by ukraine. so until he's gone, there's no, there's no discussion. you don't negotiate with a madman. who is an aggressor with a mutual weapons threatening to use them? you just say we will be on the, on the battlefield. and we will give it over to you just said we will do you think ukraine would immediately lose if it wasn't for the or if you're in union britain in the united states, i mean, ukraine's of achieve i think it should have been never reward here because we know i just asked the question, that's not the same right. it would never been an invasion. had we had,

we lived up to our obligation onto the 1994 budapest record, which guaranteed the safety and exchange for the unusual weapons. the crane gave up there until the weapons, which were their defense against russia. they gave them up because we said we would defend them. we didn't in 2014 now and 2000. you prefer ukraine to have nuclear weapons. now, no, your dear, you know, i would prefer we had sine. well, you believe nuclear weapons are determined, but do k weapons onto the chair and because you just expressed the voice of the what is needed now is to continually i'm ukraine to fight russia. now you're jumping from your subject to subject so quickly, we can focus on one of them. i mean, if you actually look at alpha, nobel as believe cell for nobel, the nobel peace prize, he believed in deterrence. and he hoped that sometimes the 1800s, the whole sunday that would be weapons that we saw a stream that both sides would not actually attack each other. and that's actually what has happened in the cold war. now you had neutral, assured destruction when, when you crane had nuclear weapons in the us, his efforts to get non proliferation to reduce the number of countries. we gave

a guarantee along with britain in russia that ukraine would say free. we didn't live up to it. and we signed the 1994 budapest of course we sure to put an international force along the border just like we have in the d. m. z and korea. you put an international force. their rush is not going to attack it. they didn't have to join nato, the minutes google. it was arguably what russian believed. and of course, angular michael the form of john. so i said that was just for nato to um, to continually kill people and don't, but how many ukrainians have been killed? estimates in between 857002300000 ukrainians dead at would this will still be going on. if they do a step down, i mean savanski or i, if nato sap army zalinski, the $38000000.00 people would be occupied and terrorized and the country of ukraine would cease to exist and they would be occupied and me and 24 troop torture chambers. and terror soon alone, you know this an occupying force that would have been raped, intelligent college and alluding yes. if nato didn't supply. yes, you can. what

a phone of absolutely, that's a military fact. nobody disputes that the only way that you're going to keep going is the brave ukrainian soldiers trained by the west. and only the findings are fighting and dying, and they're dying, not just for your grant. they're dying from above or they're dying for poland. they're dying for sweden and finland. they are dying because the russian aggressor is on the move again and nobody's safe. and they all realize are, and you have some amazing leadership, like the present poland. these are leaders that are stepping up and realize that they're protecting their people. they're protecting their nation by arming your brain and fighting the russians in the country. they just invaded and they can't stop till the invader is gone. that the aggressor with nuclear weapons is gone, and that comes with it. some really tough, bad versus worse decisions. these are not easy things when you try to put it in a binary, binary or argument it's, it's almost impossible. are you? the reality is, this more is a lot like the more on pollutants fault. he was the invader in 2014. he was involved in 2022. he needs to go from office. hopefully the russian people will get

rid of them will tell you he's very popular and many people believe that people are dying because there are no peace negotiations, but then right, i don't know any, but i don't know anybody that's educated about the subject. i believe that that's, that's ridiculous, you're going to do. you're going to actually stop the fighting to give up the land that they just invaded and stole that, but just encourage us to come back for more than rise. thank you. thank you. and that's it for the show we back on monday with the pigeon power adults or the professor richard sack with for a different view on how the warranty ukraine is going until then, you can keep in touch my role as social media, if it's not sensors in your country and had to channel going under warranty? the on rumble. don't come to watch. new and old episodes of going undergrad. see him on the the

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