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fixtures designed to simplify will confuse really one say better wills, and is it just as a chosen few. fractured images presented is 1st. can you see through their illusion going underground? can the welcome to our, to exclusive interview with me so so i am joined by mister occupants outside collection the hotel for an affairs commission on the turkish parliament. also member of parliament from assemble of park to thank you very much for your time. thank you. let's get into our conversation. looking back at 20 years of age of type are due on and power has to keep being transformed has trick here actually found herself a place in the new world order. well, 1st of all,

of course it has been more than 20 years since our party and our president has been ruling the country. i don't prefer to say empower me, but as the government and the ruling party, and that's probably going to send president. and of course, to, to it has strengths prompt herself from the early 2, thousands until now, where we are now is $22.00 and $3.00. so there has been a change, of course, in politics and to, to get, always had a place and the global order. but the reason to a lot, months and last 20 years have seen a change in the world older or in the world politics international relations. that's a reality is 20 years ago. today there's a shift and a lot of things. and regarding that, of course, the shift of world politics also cars to kid to adopt herself within the world system and the world order. and that sense, of course, church it has a place uh today i believe that we have put forward and board of all the very

strong place of and with politics and diplomacy and the general and international relations. if there was a, there would be a change. we will of course, adapt to it, but the reality is that's 2, which is at the table in all negotiations and all international decision making processes, especially in the region. and in that sense that we have found a place and we have a stablished found with a stablished place in the willow of the circle. it's according to the latest post, the majority of church people see the countries natal partner, the united states as a potential enemy. to what extent do you agree with this opinion? and what is your take on chick is relations what it's nato allies. now of course, naturally is a defense of lights based on, on an agreement, as has been signed more than 5060 years ago. and it's actually entered 70 as no entrance. it has been a part for, for of may to, for

a long time. it's been more than half a century in the defense alliance. of course, we're talking about countries that come together. every country has different views on certain things. but there's a general sense of, of being together regarding certain issues. now of course, funding the funding time of nature was during the cold war. it has a different backdrop than it has today. we have seen a shift in nato's roles from being a safe keeper that was there. so you could say engaging in certain areas of defense and security alliances, but there is always a perception. it's not only to to, i mean we have to, we have to be very frank and open about this. there's always a certain reservation towards united states politics in the world. i was born and raised in germany and i know that in german politics there's also a reservation towards international relations. and the the attachment of, of the us or,

or their point of view. just at the turn of the century before we became the government into care, there was a strong risk between germany and, and united states will there need to elijah as well. there's also a deep, deep differences between fronts in the us on certain issues. so yes, there is from time to time differences regarding certain issues and, and the view for us on these issues or how we should deal with these in depart public versus it's in the public view. of course, if you look at it, the united states has in our view and easily and still some things that are hurting to just geopolitical position. and allstate security. namely the p, k, k n y, p g and p y d. a partnership with the terrace organization that us is, is putting forward. they're saying it's, it's not a test organization wipers. you and people id we're seeing it isn't their own. actually at the us intelligence is saying that the same people who are running the p k k are also at the head of the p y,

p g and p y d. so these are the differences. also regional issues and security issues that has been a long time a debate going on into a kid regarding those recalls and the cost that we had and the animals in the united states. and of course, these ideas, or these thoughts are not being helped by the fact that after certain years we find out or find out that us has been active in interfering and international internal relations of different countries. so these speculations and ideas of course, are being fuel in that sense. so it's, it's on the us to work on the perception of the people to that in the united states . but generally see, we have differences without the different nato allies. but we see the lines as an important the lines, and we are part of this, and we are actually such as the 2nd largest army of nato. and also we are one of the 5 countries, the 1st 5 countries, the contribution to the budget of nature. so in that sense, we're taking very seriously what the need to align stands for. however, like i said, there are different point of views,

different approaches to certain issues and to we are not deviating from those. so in a sense, we could say we are also steering nato in the, in the correct direction that we believe it is and should be on certain topics. there is a certain amount of distrust regarding us, u. s. foreign policy. just recently, the interviews or the views that present bind during his election campaign a few years ago i gave regarding to just democracy democracy in particular, the landscape on helping these of course, these, these kinds of wrong attitudes in wrong attributions do not uh, diminish in the sense the, the, this rest of the people to watch us foreign policy, but fuel them. so it's, it's not on us. it's the us part that they have to be clearing out. but yes, we could say there was a, there's a strong resentment regarding some of the actions that you guys, us taking in international politics. or if you're saying that you're trying hard

actually to have good relations with the nato allies at the same time rush century to a corporation has been growing ever since. so despite the rest of the green conflict and the best western sanctions on moscow, pistons are due on visits, summits of the bricks, group of countries and other eastern political unions actually is turkey, pivoting towards alliances with eastern powers. now, international politics is an area where and you have your own country's 1st points in certain points and your own countries and people's interest at heart . this is the reality of international politics. so we are part of nato. we are part of a lot of this alliance. we are also part. we are negotiating country to become a member of to you opinion and full member of the opinion. the reality is that we are not shifting, but like i said in the beginning of the world, the system is shifting in certain areas. we're not looking at

a world war 2 polls. like i said in the cold war, there's, do they show a lines in the shop? now, this is not the world that we're living in today so that there are certain areas where you have to act sometimes alone, where you have to act with allies and very have to act with different countries or neighboring countries together. in that sense, we're taking the interest of the turkish nation to touch people at heart. but we also trying to fulfill our duties towards our allies in alliances. now, there is a difference in certain issues the membership of finland and sweden to nature. freelance has been able to become a natural member with the support of 2 to you. however. see is reading is not at this point because reading is not fulfilling. it has not fulfilled yet. the obligations or the promises that were given in metric last year. and that's the reason, and so in this sense, there are differences, but it doesn't mean these questions were asked to us in the future and in the past as well as to which is shifting towards this one. that's when, for example,

another european union country or nature ally, has certain relations with different relations with, with russia or for example, the eastern countries, china, uh, or india for that sense or japan. and then there's always that nobody's talking about a shift in the countries politics, but if took is acting in the interest of our own country and our own people, then everybody's trying so well as here is to achieve shifting, we're not shifting very clear. the 1st engagement that we have on the 1st you to that we have is towards our people and talked to as our country. and in that sense we're trying to, when we're doing this, we're trying to protect our interests. but we also working too good from the countries. sometimes we have differences. china, for example, a lot of european union countries have very deep economy cause relations with china and also the us. and in that sense, for it with india,

a lot of european union countries or need to allies have a very long ranging wide ranging relationship with india as. so why is to choose having these relations are we asked? or if they are shifting or not, we shouldn't be asking them, are you shifting? i think it's because you are a very strong country within they don't. we are, we are a country, like i said, we have the 2nd 2nd largest army military force. and our borders, of course, are next to very, it's unfortunate. it's hot spots in the world right now. i mean, we're boarding syria reporting iraq. that's where the sea we are bordering, washer and deep. right? and then these are right now hot spots where there's a big, problematic situation going on. i mean, the war in ukraine and also the, the civil, the stable situation of syria and iraq. and of course we have, you run to the east, which is also not the very, very easy neighbor in the sense that there's always also not only around what the,

what does the run doing and being our neighbor. of course, we have a different relationship. we have a closer relationship with where they run and sometimes we are also getting some attention regarding our relations with your own. but the reality is there a neighbor, we have most economical ties. we have social ties and we have a shit and border which way. sure, so we can not be behaving as if, as if we are on an ocean away. this is reality of life. and so, yeah, i mean, the position of to which is also in a sense where we can into influence positive outcomes in trouble regions which we are, which we're trying to do. this also get into the politics, mr. college polarization is a term used very often within to get and abroad actually do agree that to turn out the elections turn out will be a crucial factor in trick here, because of how intensely polarized the country has become recently. well, if you look into other countries political landscape, you will see that

a lot of countries in the world right now we could be characterized as being polarized us, for example, the democrats and republicans out there. if you're following their statements and their tv programs and their, their realities, and you can see that the us is, is the people arrest right now in germany, there's also polarization. and if you want to label it and that way in front, right now, people are writing in the streets because for a certain decisions that president mccord has taken regarding the pension funds and the pension. this is age and it's only, it's only coming down now there is a but there's also a very strong result. any political route it pulls that goal situation that you have in the country are going to an election. well, of course bring about a bit more tension within the country, but i would not say that that we are deeply polarized. but if you ask me about the election participation determination of the church, people have

a very high to and also records in the past. so we are very and i would say responsible in the sense of going to the about books since elections have been held into a chair after the after the fifty's. since multi potty a rule is introduced into cat people have been going to going to hold a lot. and we are actually one of the countries that has the highest turn out in any which also should go back into pos compared to other european countries, or the us, or any country that has the democratic or the elections. so the journals will of course be a factor in the result of the election, but it's not because we are seeing that the country is polarized, in a sense. now that there is a difference, the difference of opinion. it's just that the turkish people do like to go to vote and to take their voice and make their voice heard in an election because they believe that when they go to the election and votes, they will also have

a say in the countries future. so in that sense, we're taking democracy at heart. you just mentioned the voters living and brought. i also know that recently you criticize german and not allowing a loving to set both access to every state. but saying that the old church borders in the country should go to the embassies or to come. so it's why do you think germany made such a decision? unfortunately, when we asked about a expansion of molding stations, if you will, the boxes are in germany, and of course the turkish states representation as being the embassies, the general consulates, and the other concerts were allowed, but the extra and valid book. so christ was not granted by the federal government. now we have to make a distinction here because germany is a country which is a federal government, which is a federal state system. and the states have decisions making power is about their own a certain areas. now,

no city or federal states has said no, but the federal government, regardless of, of this factor has said they're not going to allow the extra ballot boxes to be one of them being in my birth city. i don't want to be sounding like a conspiracy. if there is, i don't believe in conspiracy theories, but the reality of the analysis that i can make is that this was a politically motivated decision, not to grunt extra balance boxes. first, let's have the election, which i know will be a very, very good election kind of in the, in the end. but after that we will sit down and talk with all german friends why they've taken this decision. yeah, let's also talk about um for an intervention issue, which underlined by a different chief move, whichever show a little. uh, what is your take on the latest economist cover with the title, the most important election on twin twin history. which was adorned with the tax

save democracy and are doing must go, well, come in from the economist. of course, it's very hypocritical because the economist is representing a is represented in the country or they're publishing in a country the u. k. which has introduced the world to the world camera general. so we know that unfortunately on democratic interventions and the okay have happened in the past. so i think they're trying to put forward a different picture in the world in different directions and trying to x and to put the picture there that and saying that we are not alone. it's not only happening to the u. k. now. um, it's unfortunate that they're trying to put this in a sense where they believe they can have a decision making a power or decision making an influence on the search people. this is not the case, and they will be quite shocked after the people go to the ballot boxes. but this is not only happening in the u. k, not on the economist. unfortunately, we've seen isn't friends,

we've also seen it in germany. and so there's always this interesting attitude worse, where this thing we're doing just by the free press we doing this for democracy, but they don't like it when it happens to them. if they go and say something to, for example, our diaspora, which is living outside of georgia. and if they're asking us what she would do or this, we give them an opinion it's, it's up to the people to decide what they're going to do. but if they ask me an opinion, i will give them nothing. uh so they're seeing anything that we're seeing or doing as election to variance, but they are doing it outright and very openly. and then there's a labeling it is democracy. this will have democracy. this is plain outs, interference in the southern countries decision making process. we're trying to integrate. um, so i believe all people will give them the appropriate answer on the 14th. but of course, in the sense of international diplomacy, there's all of the things that we have. we can say and are seeing, but there are also some things that we are waiting to see and do after the election

right now we are in an action company. and so we're taking, it's a bit easy in the sense that we don't want to increase any, any weight tensions. but we see the realities, we know what they're trying to do. and to off to the election, we will sit down and have a very open discussion and i don't think it is in any countries or any publications, rights, or they don't have any kind of a of the justification for what they are doing. now i know them which evasion is hatred towards present ad one and the, the attitude that they want to see present ad one gone. if you look at, in that sense, there's a, there's also a political idea or philosophy representation in church here that has come together and they will need image to this thing and openly. and they only image to say, well and to achieve that present ad one is another elected president. now if you're

acting in the same way, then i have the rights to ask the question, are you working together? so let's go back to check interest of relations with an in case question, in case research and my clip several, the is elected into the presidential office. how could be the relationship between russian true to effect is could we expect equal relations with russia if crush started on the wind slowly my vehicle is federal. mr. kitley certainly is not going to be a president, so i don't see the relevance of even giving the default of what he will do or will not do in the, in the political sense. but if he wants to know how he sees it to do it, i'll show relations or international relations. you will have to ask him. i cannot speak on his behalf. and you'll notice interview, you have stated that turkey has made all countries to content and talks with both sporting parties in ukraine realtor to you continued to play this role and is there any chance the country will extend the green deal if you want to kind of start all

takes over, so this is another kenworth calisto, but this is about, you know, the state policy and that's a political part of policy. maybe you will have an answer for this is this i can analyze for you in the political sense and political it wonderful to go. you. like i said, i don't believe that the, the opposition parties or the opposition block, or in that sense, mr. coach, that will, it will be like president. however, if you ask me if we have a, how we are going to look at the situation, it's clear we are in a position where we're saying, there was a war in the ukraine. and this is an unprovoked attack by russia to would you crate? um, i'm not going to go into details about how we are living since more than a year. no. and decree and we have very clear stands on it. and i'll present has made it very clear that he wants to see, as i say sion of,

of violence very soon and very quickly. but also there's reality is on the ground, for example, the greens you, this is something that as an add on personally, what's uh, working together with president fulton and other international organizations has brought about. and we're taking it very seriously that it's that the brain and the food that is produced in the ukraine is being shipped and transported to the world because people are in need of, of, of this food. so this is different chapters that we looked at have to look into about, like i said, i don't know what mr to we started was planning to do um or what their, what his parties planning to do or what their uh cool parties in the alliance are going to do because i've seen that also they contradict each other different for them policy experts or for them pulled c representatives within different parties in the party and the c h, b, and the airlines right now with the age to be there's a lot of different views on what they can do will do or would do so. i don't know

how they will look at it, but its own stand is clear. ok, some people ensure to express their fears that if mister ad dollars has the elections, he will refuse to hand over power. what is your take on this while the people who are saying this or trying to portray a picture in this, that they don't know the president's didn't know his track record, didn't know how he has been constantly since more than 40 years been active in democratic political environment and how he has been elected to after election of the election and to into office. and he is, and we are very clear on this. we are here in the democratic sense. we have always said as our party and the president has always said that the people decided to buy the books, the turkish states government is decided by the people that develop books. it's not decided even any laboratory or by military coups or interferes from outside the turkish people besides the ballad books. and we believe that on the 14th they will

re elect our president. and so a, i think there is no needs to look into. and unsubstantiated the ideas if you will, or allegations and towards the present in this sense. and we are very clear on do the democratic process and trick here. and we are always working. we have always worked since one year, so increased the democratic participation of the people. and so i think i've track record speaks for itself. i would ask you, who do you think would win to presidential election? but you already said that you believe that the president add on will win again. but why do you think so? well, if, if you look into what's the political opponents of a prison ad on an up party. so our particular point of putting forward and bringing to the people's attention, i don't believe that the people will support this because i believe it's not in the interest of to, to i don't believe it's in the interest of the people. and i don't believe that

they will be able to persuade the people to support them. now, of course they are made out of $78.00 different political parties and trip isn't stations of to in full, to go with us. uh so the, there is a big $78.00 block on one side, and then there is like 40 and the image p together with also different smaller parties against a big, wide variety of, of different baltic litter presentations. them but the starting point of the opposition or mystic elisa was campaign is that's as he is running for office as president, and that he will have 7 deputy presents. now if you go into the street and ask a shopkeeper or somebody who is in, in business, how do you expect to uh, if you have a company, how do you run your company? would you have 7 different co owners or uh,

general managers. everybody will say to you will look, this is not how you run a business. this isn't the business side that we're talking about running the government of a country. so i don't believe that the people will, will accept in any way that one, president, 7 deputy presidents will have to sit down, make a decision for some people. takes this as a meeting and a common sense meeting in a common sense as being your ideas together. you will not be there's, there's ideas, as opposed to good philosophy. and then there's the realities of running a government who cannot sit down and have $78.00 heads, one issue. you can have a cabinet where there's one head of the cabins, president prime minister. you have a discussions with your, with your ministers as the government. ok, then you take a decision, but you cannot have 7 heads. this the different series that they have 7 to 8

heading fingers. this is the hard part of it. none. i mean, they have made the declaration. when they made it came together and decided to run as one alliance with different party heads. and everybody's saying something else. they cannot even agree on the fact. if the p k, k is a terrorist organization or not. i mean just recently, one of the candidates, unfortunately, who we see deviating from his past. he was administered in a, in our cabinets as well. uh, i searched with him also and cabinets. but he mentioned it's the federal tourist organization in a very different sense. they're saying it's, it's some kind of slip up into tongue, but i don't believe it is because you can slip up once, but vote like twice. so in the back of their head there was a different attitude. and also on the p k. k. terrace organization, which we're seeing very plainly. um, there is a member of the federal lines or a supportive member of the, of the lines,

which is not able to say that the p k. k is the test organization. and they're talking about the security of our people, how the wants to bring about the security, or how are you going to protect your people? if you cannot even agree on a tourist organization that is unfortunately responsible for 140000 pets of your own citizens. the, the color of the screen of the must be why, but just need to be with key at the washington state. the rules of the computer

system on assume that you or 2 of us to professionally prep the list of over the age because they used the the accused trump of being engaged varies for and corrupting scams. and now it's coming out that the bite and family was taking money from almost anybody around the world to line their pockets by them, you know, the, by the democratic use trump of various sexual misconduct. there's all kinds of allegations circulating, bite and concerning that. and concerning far worse misconduct. so i think what you see is a lot of construction through project and what they accuse trump of is what they themselves are giving you the

the, the, the city of will gone, has the, again been shell by ukrainian forces following fridays to missile attacks, which left 6 children injured, not in the fall, the western colleagues has told on you crazy respect, really just freedoms. as the crack down on the orthodox church continues in ukraine versus ambassador to the un demands, the security council looked into what he calls a breach of human rights to the turkish president, dismissal claims of russian meddling in the upcoming elections, accusing the was to being responsible for the real interference,