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the weapons divided russia. it hoss the grand finale of the politic recharge your vision song. columbus on behalf of ukraine, such as the full spectrum, cultural and the military unity in your up, against most co. joining me from a military post west point in new york is a us soldier and veteran who has advised ukraine's armed forces commander in chief generals illusion a den, right? see one is purple. hot in the rock was now president of the american university, which is in ukraine. then thanks so much for coming on the show. so i mean, in your capacity as a landscape commander in chief of ukraine, is it? well, how is your life change since 24th february 2022. yes, great question. uh, do you know, obviously the, uh, the war but i was attracting for the whole world and uh, and, and changed a lot of lives. some lives forever. some are no longer with us unfortunately, so many victims. um for me uh, i became involved with the uh, the ukraine more after i took in some refugees in miami and uh and they were you
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creating refugees and i thought that would be the end of it. but it turns out one of the new president, zalinski and generals lose me, and they saw my west point materials all about my house. i live, i live alone in models, a general solution the like because, i mean, he was in the us papers for getting a $1000000.00 from a microsoft hair gregory step. and that's what, what does he like? well, i mean, that's a great story because, you know, immediately when he received inheritance of a $1000000.00, he gave a 100 percent of it to the ukraine armed forces. so he took 0 dollars, so he's kind of, he's, he's a committed, humble servant, breaks sense of humor, very western. he's a, you know, he's broken away from the old soviet style command and control is a great leader. and he has developed his leaders and subordinates to care about human life, to, to be much more humane than the old russian soviet style. and then i think history will judge about he and president zalinski with the right to people at the right
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time, you know, is always key leading the international effort in the political effort to get the, the there kind of to the world to rally around your train and then generals lose need to focus only on winning the worst. i mean, did he know about the fair leadership institute? did you a part of where i think it was speaking to be from which talks about the sort of cross dimensional leadership styles and the courses that yeah we, we just corporate as well as ministry. yeah. when i was able to say his staff, you know, they've added me to see who i was and, and what when background was on the, on the west point farmer airborne ranger qualified officer and served in the rack. and, and yeah, my partners and i started a company 13 years ago today actually in the solve their leadership at west point. and our goal was to teach military leadership principles and learning to corporate executives. and so my background was very well suited to go advise ukrainian
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military when i say advise mostly, but they needed was for me to help translate things back and forth between the us. since there was no us embassy at the time, and there was no us boots on the ground still aren't. there was a big gap between the 2 armies. and so i kind of fill that gap to you mentioned, no american soldiers there, but i'm sure you're aware of as the so called us mainstream media already covering the pendulum and leaks which suggested that there are indeed us forces on the ground. do you think they'll be part of any counter offensive and when is the counter offensive happening? i don't believe there's a u. s. troops on the ground. i think all those leaks were rubbish. and i've seen certain parts of the leaks that i know are a rubber. so i think the, whatever those leaks were, why they investigating them that does the subject of its own over the age and huge instigation into the me. when is that not true? why investigate? oh no, a. i mean i won't get into operational security things, but you know, the enemy takes partial information that they gain through clear invest time
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services. and then they rehash it and they put it in a lot of the things they want to uh, you know, people, the things that you can take it to true side of stolen information, add a lie to it. and suddenly everybody believes that all 3 are true. just basic and major miles from britain is about the 15 k special forces and new to the, from the us about the 14 us special forces you, you can never confirm or deny, otherwise you'd be caught in this thing where you're just denying. and then by and by not denying it, you're confirming it so you never die or confirm any of that stuff. so any minutes there were 14 special forces. i mean, 14 people couldn't do much, but i never run across scheme of a low did cubby handling well. john cubby and the state department in the white house. have they been handling these leaks? well, because they said, you know, the report is very, which is not the hottest reporters in the world. they were going well, it is just a little nonsense. and if it's or, or as you suggest, tough troubadour, intermediary entail. why do announce loudly that there's going to be
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a multi agency investigation cause that suggest some thing is true and these tend to get leaks. oh, i think if you know, if, if they believed there was some information lead to, doesn't have to be all of it. so that the, it's not a binary thing. you don't have to say all of the information is true or all of it is false, is because that's how the enemy operates. they take partial information, and so i, i know much of that is false that i've read. i'm so, but i am not going to confirm which i know and which i don't, but i do know that they can't go through and say, yeah, that one's true. that was false. yeah, it was true. so it's really obviously an operation that another or an agency was involved with, in my opinion, my humble opinion, but just because of the 21 year. busy oh, i wouldn't even speculate. i mean it's a very sophisticated so there's only a handful, but who, who wins out of this? you're not going to tell me where the general solution he was irritated by his. i know i was irritated by the fact that there was all these stories from seymour hersh about the and best embezzling of us public money from. did you see any,
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when you were in ukraine? the u. s. public money valuable being wasted on mercedes cars and the like. you know, i mean, most of the things i was working with were, were weapon systems and hard products. and they're treated like national assets, like nobody's going to take and javelin and sell it on the open market like these things are treated every single soldier. every commander trees these like gold. they, they know that their lives on their nations and existence depend on it. so, you know, any, any, and that came through like a usa id that was funding to keep the government running or somebody, i would have no visibility to that. my, my, my work was mostly with the military. that's how much on the black market weapons training. i was thinking just luxury, cars and lifestyles of those people in the capital as opposed to the front line, ordinary men and women on the front line fighting rush. you know, i can tell you that, you know, um, i think presidents lensky has implemented some very good policies and, and that's a load of people while he's done that. but he's also change the law as like the,
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the inside corruption task force used to not have any teeth. so they can suspect somebody that they could actually take it to a charge or take it to a court. now they have teeth. and so these are, these are fundamental changes in the laws that allow your process to work effectively because let's face it, there's corruption in dc, but you need to have a good, good g gestural system to be able to go after those corruption and corruption. i mean, i'd been to pay a street, you know, we had and the moment they had in the mood side group, which was fighting for ukraine on the, on the show. and i think it's, it's dissolved now. i don't know whether you came across them, whether they were or any help. i mean, they were cool. mozart obviously as a echo of wagner, he did. did you come across the i never came across my person. i did correspond with them a little bit here and there. um and i think he's a really stand up. amazing guy. did they you know, they had some issue of corruption within their organization. he denied and on a garage not and he is. yeah,
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there was something going on there. so i think when i would correct, i don't believe they were fighting their out. you know, rescuing innocent ukrainian civilians are caught in the fire and so they were, they were doing some amazing work. i'd say from a humanitarian standpoint, they weren't like the wagner group, which the mercenary group that actually is doing fighting for the russians. so very big difference between what and put together and what, what the wagner been doing. and yeah, you know it's, it's the atrocities and things i brought in a group of doing on top of that, just the, is of it makes that the comparison, the only the only reason there compared is because he named it the opposite of the wagner group. and so people compare them, but they are entirely different emissions and people and, and, and yeah, i think they did good work. but they disbanded due to internal issues. the saying why myer andy milburn of the mozart grew and saying the very different type of goshen who lost they had was he was insulting the russian government actually about lack of ammunition, but milburn said that the ukrainians are in violation of a convention. and that he looked at this closely, there's a, a,
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he said there was an educational aspect that ukrainian soldiers were engaged in. violations of international agreements, killing welsh as well, just do it surrendered video with them. if you did, you come across anything like that. now haven't seen anything like that, and, you know, i've seen the opposite. i mean, i think you're, you're russian soldiers that are becoming peer w, as they're being treated fairly. and they're, they, they get sent home and the prisoner changes in their fat and they're very healthy as opposed to the may associated ukrainians that come back having suffered torture and all kinds of things. so, you know, in a giant world that's coming from mil been so when you respect saying that you create the limit or, i mean i every violated and that's like asking like a kind of football player out after a game. you know what they experienced alignment with the quarterback, a very different experience. so he may have seen things that i didn't, that doesn't mean i'm not going to challenge them. i'm just saying, i think that you are in the military. my experience has behaved incredibly, professionally, incredibly professionally against a heinous,
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horrible hoard of russians that are raping, torturing, braving children, stealing, i mean institutionalized, stealing of children across all of ukraine. you know, this is really 5th century horrible stuff. but you know, if you have a folder or 2, i don't know how many man andy seems of, seem do something wrong. and the frame is that i would think they would be charged and taken up the they obviously didn't. i all of that from the denials on all the different sides. when is this the counter offensive that i know you've been appearing on occasionally on the big networks in the united states about when is it going to happen? and you, in west point right now must attack that there is a certain wariness, only part of the nature of nation taxpayers funding. this was the american spending so much so much money. while infrastructure collapse is at home. what does the ukraine need and when is it calendar offensive beginning? or, you know, from the, when it begins, obviously that's classified and i don't have any classified information on the
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exact date. but i think you'll see that uh, you know, back move, the 72nd russian brigade has largely been destroyed and a large part of bucking mood has been taken back. which, you know, you can say that's a tactical offensive, or it's part of the major counter offensive. i think time will tell was that part of the main effort. but you know, you don't attack in the spring that was foolish for the russians to try to attack the spring. you can't, you can't attack armored vehicles through mud. so as the ground hardens with the sun, it becomes more passable for armed vehicles, so they can fire maneuver. so i think the more we get towards the summer, the more likely the attack will come in a counter offensive or multiple counter offensive. so that's what happened last august and september and car key even curse on the russians of course, say that they have a must apply, you know, of the right at the beginning here was all about not taking the capital. it was about stopping supplies, etc, etc. how is your iraq the how is the only other when it was taken? definitely was captured, keeping within a week, they were making restaurant reservations. russian officers ranking restaurant
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reservation for the next weekend, and they denied they denied that they did. how is your experience in iraq in to create your comments, officer, us army for the 2nd infantry division. how is that helped you understand the battle in you? great, because all you believe one could say the americans lost in iraq is lost in every will. viet thomas can, is there on wherever i would. how is it? definitely disagree with that or definitely disagree with that we, we won the war by 2010. we had 0 casualties in the whole year in interact, we have won the war. we decided to give it up politically. it's very different, very different way to look at things done. right. so i'll stop you there. more from the us veteran who was advised ukraine's own forces commander in chief generals, allusion is often his brian the acceptance. and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new show
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are guilty of the the welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with them right, the bottom of special adviser to cranes and forces commander in chief generals industry. do you think shocking or shocking or style tactics by the russians? if they bonds key of the capital, just as the americans destroyed baghdad of health ministry, the education ministry, do you think that's where food is making his mistake? he needs to go in and just comp at boom, the capital of ukraine, just as the americans did back that i would challenge almost every word of that sentence question. so um now, yeah, the americans, uh, we liberated a rack and we tried to keep casualties to a minimum we, we never attacked civilian targets intentionally. very different russians only
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attack civilian targets for the most part. and keith are not attacking anything military and key because there really is nothing military. so when you send 25 cruise missiles on may, 9th, for the b victory in europe, day at keys of which raytheon shut down 23 of 25. so the 3rd air defenses are getting much, much better, but they're attacking all civilian targets. it's entirely different. the us didn't attack, especially, i mean, maybe one or 2 accidental aaron bombs, which you have in any u. s. did not attack civilian facilities in, in afghanistan and iraq. you know, they, they never, it's actually like, so is it intentionally knowing those tens of millions killed, wounded or displaced by us, pulling it down on tens of millions, direct tens of millions channels. really good ones. that's why as well that's statistic is way, way off, ford for those wars. now the united nations with sensor displacement thing is i'm, you just mentioned that actually in january and there is a propaganda war about the civilian killing. of course, what did you make if you were to the report a 38 killed or wounded by us apply time was, i guess a divider,
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a civilian hospital in east and ukraine in january are the ukrainians actually targeting civilian infrastructure because they knew zelinski assigned into law banning journalist from the front line. why would you do that? you know, there's a, there's $1300.00 registered a journalist within ukraine. so journalism has been promoted and supported. i know this because the former chief of strategic communications as a friend of mine. so they, i'm registered and they have allowed. now when you're about to go on a counter offensive and you, you don't put a bunch of people out there with satellite phones that can all radio back to, uh, you know, x, y, z station and indifferent. but you're probably going to count or function within your, your kids or lives or at rest. i know they've, they've done a phenomenal job overall. i think, uh, in a, in, in helping to try to communicate to the world exactly what is happening in real time. the russians, i mean, it's all complete this information. i mean, you can see the stuff being circulated by the russians. i mean, they're pretty good at it. that's what the actually the biggest, right, is this information, this information. so this is a strong because uh,
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i think most people in these are countries would say that the russians are the bad guys here as no email accessible. i mean, they've been, obviously there's a 1st amendment in the united states within europe, in the and britain, they've bound r t television and so on. and they've been able to, man, all news coming from russia is it was in the united states. is there a growing constituency or adapting the war? aims of, uh, washington, and the great, i mean, i did, she just said it was the best. so, the russian, well, it's because they are showing that it's assessable, the lucky and hearing some of your questions. so they, they, they are very successful in making people think that some of the things they put out are correct and they do it very effectively because they, you know, they're, they're led by occasionally current, like you spent his career with the k g, b. so, you know, their, their government is more focused on that type of thing that he grew up learning as a soviet package, the officer. so they're very good at, at it now. you can only hide the truth so long when it's so heinous,
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the things they're doing, you know, when they're, when they're saying they're liberating russian speakers. well, everybody in ukraine spoke russian because the russians occupied it under the soviet union. so that's a good excuse to take back all of the soviet union including laterally or the speakers before the soviet union in the land mass of where you're great. yeah, yeah. as long as you've said, the russian military reflects russian society. you think it's a bankrupt culture, morally bankrupt, and the intention is to kill women, children, elderly. what do you make of the banning of russian literature in? well, presumably in the overall of the american university and new grand. well, the 1st thing i'd say is, um you challenge that there were russian speakers in ukraine prior to that one of the soviet union controlled ukraine, you know, basically for the last nearly a 100 years. so of course that they were forced, they forced pressure upon that they made everybody learn in school. they, they taught them all their propaganda based non truth. so you know that they were not telling the truth, trying to trying to institutionalize this. but if you look back, it's, you want to look back on history. i mean, the,
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the history of your grand is much older than the history of about moscow. the russians or me as russians, a grand big 3 general secretaries of the communist party. where you create no, i'm just after you know, what do you feel is the president of the american university and ukraine when dusty epsky books are being destroyed down the street as well? i'm always a supporter of free truth and as free speech that, that the truth will make it free and that, you know, we will not band free speech on campus whatsoever. i mean people, if they have opposing views, they should voice them and, and the best ideas are accepted. so you know, what will be running the university. you know, personally, knowing that tall story is being burnt or destroyed down the street from the fact that you're the person that told me that i did not know that this was covered under where it's covered in us. maybe, you know, i haven't seen that. and i also question when something's covered like that, a question, what does that mean? like, what's the government banning it or what?
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who, who did it and when and why? so i was not aware of that. what i have seen is things like to have implemented some laws because the russians have used the excuse that they are, they invaded to liberate russian speakers. they have said that vendors cannot speak russian, they're almost speak ukrainian. so they're the basically trying to say, look, we are ukraine, you can't allow food and to keep coming in reading, you know, every 70 years because he, because people are speaking russian. so they are forced on ukraine to be the same language, which i actually agree with on. i say what, that's like spanish in texas, isn't it? because obviously those we don't have those who don't phase where was invading us. a metro is invading us with an armed force which some question whether or not, but if they weren't beating us with our funding for coming in, we have going here. and i mean, i think, i think that the democratic united states government would have to consider all actions, but i do not, we, i against the us constitution. i'm sorry to have the you able to, to do the innovative. i don't think any supreme court would allow that,
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but hopefully we also don't have an extra central, right. we also don't have an a central trap. that's it. that's a mass of armored force that's invading trying to rate kill, pillage were destroyed the culture. it's not just the military worth of military, political, economic, and religious war. so if you don't think that the russian orthodox churches heavily involved mostly with spies, so you agree with investigation and the russian orthodox churches leaders as the alleged by those who support romance can don't yet console him. i didn't say that i didn't say, agree with persecution. i agree that everybody should be investigated, that there's lots of people that you have to investigate in a situation like this, where you have an active kinetic operation. but you also have guerrilla warfare from both sides. so you have to investigate people and that's what you do. is you the fundamental military? the question is, we're coming out of time when people are pushed into a corner. as a military man, i think you'll know what people do. most of humanity voted,
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refused to vote, to condemn russia at the united nations general assembly when the events of uh february last year happened. and why you so convinced that if the counter offensive a successful, no tactical nuclear or tactical conventional but high powered miss will not be aimed at the capital of ukraine or even suppliers of the weapons countries but supplied weapons to i mean, the north stream, obviously, pipeline explosion, the news about that's in russia are all the time. why you so convinced that these countries will be fine, or even united states interests more widely remedying based in germany is safe. i'm not, i think rushes out of control. i think there's a chance they can use tax on their cars. think there's a chance they couldn't melt down this operator and then show a fine. i think the world has to agree that we can't be held hostage by that would
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have to run out if they did that. so this temporary, so just like southern russian, which he doesn't really care about. so he only cares less st. petersburg and moscow . so a little bit, initially the fall out in the southern part of russia is not gonna bother food. he's been known to kill his own people. he kills his own people all the time. so that's really because i'm not only at home because i'm abroad because these are, these are obviously he would do that. but so you're saying that it is a possibility that your advice to the commander in chief of ukrainian forces, which presumably included the need for counter offensive could destroy the because you just countenance the idea of a new theory. now you've just taken, you've just taken 4 different giant leaps of faith, booted using a title. new is up to him. the question is, what does the, what does the west do when he becomes an aggressor and takes over a neighbor and rates to pillage lose takes the job or that the reason why china and russia going to attack the united states when they legally invaded iraq. because in the united states has nuclear weapons, this is the idea of
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a deterrent. but what know the, what your advising to generals are basically and based invasion of a rack. nobody, nobody ever expected us to take the ground and hold it for our own purposes. that's what it rushes doing here, that's an aggressor nation or a liberate or nation, or a new we're going in. we're not going to stay there. and we did. we won the war and we didn't stay there. we could've taken all the oil, we didn't, we, we never take, we never take the resources of the countries that we help liberate whether it's francois, i think, most of the world give me would probably make the difference on that, whether it be libya, syria or afghanistan or whatever, why no peace towards why is drunk could be saying he's against peace towards the chinese plan for peace talks, negotiations destroyed, you know, negotiation you're, he invaded he, the same dictator was there in 2014, when he invaded the same guys here in 2022, all the land he took in 20142022 needs to be retrieved back and needs to be liberated by ukraine. so until he's gone, there's no, there's no discussion, you know, negotiate with a mad man who is an aggressor with
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a mutual weapons threatening to use them. you just say we will be you on the, on the battlefield. and we will give it to you just said we will do you think ukraine would immediately lose if it wasn't for the or if you in union britain in the united states, i mean, you kind of a thief. i think it should have been never reward here because we know i just asked the question, that's not the same right? it would never been an invasion, had we had, we lived up to our obligation onto the 1994 budapest records, which guarantee the safety and exchange for the unusual weapons. ukraine gave up the rest of the weapons, which were their defense against russia. they gave him up because we said we would defend them. we didn't in 2014. now in 2000, you prefer ukraine to have nuclear weapons. now, no, your dear, you know, i would prefer we had signed. what do you believe? nuclear weapons are determined, but you can weapons onto the chair and because you're just expressed the voice of the what is needed now is to continually i'm ukraine to fight russia. now you're
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jumping from your subject to subject so quickly. we can focus on one of them. i mean, if you actually look at alpha, nobel is believe cell for nobel, the nobel peace prize, he believed in deterrence. and he hoped that sometimes the $1800.00, the whole sunday that will be weapons that we start to stream, that both sides would not actually attack each other. and that's actually what has happened in the cold war. now you had mutual assured destruction when, when ukraine had nuclear weapons in the us, his efforts to get non proliferation, to reduce the number of countries. we gave a guarantee along with britain in russia that ukraine would say free. we didn't live up to it and we signed the 1994 budapest. of course we sure to put an international force along the border just like we have in the d. m. z, and korea. you put an international force. their rush is not going to attack it. they didn't have to join nato, the minutes google. it was arguably what russian believe didn't. of course, angular michael if on the chancellor said that was just for nato to um, to continually kill people and don't. that's how many ukrainians have been killed. estimates in between 857002300000 ukrainians dead at would this will still be
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going on. if they do a step down, i mean savanski or i, if nato stopped army zalinski, the $38000000.00 people would be occupied and terrorized and the country of ukraine would cease to exist and they would be occupied and me in $24.00 trip torture chambers. and terror soon alone, you know, there's an occupying force that would've been raping killers in college and looting . yes. if nato didn't supply, yes, you can. what a phone of absolutely. that's a military fact. nobody disputes that the only way that you're going to keep going is the brave ukrainian soldiers trained by the west. and only the trainings are fighting and dying, and they're dying, not just for your crane. they're dying from above or they're dying for poland. they're dying for sweden and finland. they are dying because the russian aggressor is on the move again and nobody's safe. and they all realize it. and you have some amazing leadership, like the present poland. these are leaders that are stepping up and they realized that they're protecting their people. they're protecting their nation by arming your brain and fighting the russians in the country. they just invaded and they
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can't stop till the invader is gone. that the aggressor with nuclear weapons is gone, and that comes with it. some really tough, bad versus worse decisions. these are not easy things when you try to put it in a binary, binary or argument it's, it's almost impossible. are you? the reality is, this war is a little active, more on pollutants fault. he was the invader in 2014. he was in today or 2022. he needs to go from office. hopefully the russian people will get rid of them. well, the use is very popular, many people believe that the people are dying because there are no peace negotiations, but then right, i don't know any, but i don't know anybody that's educated about the subject i believe. so that's, that's ridiculous. you're going to do. you're going to actually stop the fighting to give up the land that they just invaded and stole that, but just encourage us to come back for more sunrise. thank you. thank you. and that's it for the show we back on monday with the pigeon paradox. older professor richard sack with for different view on how the warranty ukraine is going until then you can keep in touch my role as social media. if it's on sensors in your
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