eh, but as the government and the ruling party and as prime minister and president, and of course to kit has transformed himself from the early 2 thousands until now. where we are now is $22.00 and $3.00. so there has been a change, of course, in world politics and to, to get, always had a place in the global order, but the reason to allotments and last 20 years have seen a change in the world older or in the world politics international relations. that's where reality is 20 years ago. today there's a shifting a lot of things. and to regarding that, of course, the shift of world politics also cars to, to, to adopt herself within the world system and the world order. and that sense, of course, church it has a place to date. i believe that we have put forward and bored about a very strong place of and with politics and diplomacy, and general and international relations. if there was a, there would be a change,

we will, of course, adapt to it. but the reality is that's 2, which is at the table in all negotiations and all international decision making processes, especially in the region. and in that sense that we have found a place and we have established fund with a stablished place in the willow of mr. coach. according to the latest polls, the majority of the church people see the country has made a partner, the united states as a potential enemy. to what extent do you agree with this opinion? and what is your take on chick is relations with it's nato allies. of course nature, what is the defense of lights based on, on an agreement as has been signed more than 5060 years ago. it's actually entered 70 is now an entrance. it has been a part for, for overnight to, for a long time. it's been more than half a century in the defense alliance. of course, we're talking about countries that come to the other that every country has

different views on certain things. but there is a general sense of, of being together regarding certain issues. now of course, funding the funding time of nature was during the cold war. it has a different backdrop than it has today. we have seen a shift in nato's roles from being a safe keeper to was there. so you could say engaging in certain areas of defense and security alliances, but there is always a perception. it's not only to, to me, we have to, we have to be very frank and open about this. there's always a certain reservation towards united states politics in the world. i was born and raised in germany and i know that in german politics there's also a reservation towards international relations. and the the attachment of, of the us or, or their point of view adjusted the turn of the century before we became the government into care. there was a strong risk between germany and, and the united states. will there need to realize as well. there's also the deep

differences between fronts in the us on certain issues. so yes, there is from time to time differences regarding certain issues and, and the view for us on these issues or how we should deal with these in depart public perception to public view. of course, if you look at it, the united states has in our view and easily inc, still some things that are hurting to just do a particular position. and also it security. namely the p k, k n y, p g and p y d partnership with the terrace organization that us is, is putting forward. they're saying it's, it's not a terrorist organization wipers. you, if you are the, we're seeing it isn't their own. actually at the us intelligence is saying that the same people who are running the p k k are also at the head of the p y, p g and p y d. so these are the differences. also regional issues and security issues. there has been a long time, a debate going on into a kid regarding notate goes into cost that we ed and dean roland of the united

states. now, of course, these ideas or these thoughts are not being helped by the fact that after certain years we found outs or find out that us has been active in interfering and international internal relations of different countries. so these speculations and ideas of course, are being fuel in that sense. so it's, it's on the us to work on the perception of the people regarding united states. but generally see, we have differences with are the different nato allies. but we see the lines as an important the lines, and we are part of this, and we are actually the 2nd, the 2nd largest army of nato. and also we are one of the 5 countries, the 1st 5 countries, the contribution to the budget of nato. and so in that sense, we're taking very seriously what the need to align stands for. however, like i said, there are different point of views, different approaches to certain issues and to we are not deviating from those. so in a sense, we could samuel also steering nato in the,

in the correct direction that we believe it is and should be on certain topics. there is a certain amount of distrust regarding us, u. s. foreign policy. just recently the interviews or the views that present by and during his election campaign a few years ago, i gave regarding to a just democracy democracy in particular, the landscape on helping these of course, these, these kinds of wrong attitudes in wrong attributions do not uh, diminish in the sense the, the, this trust of the people to watch us for them policy, but fuel them. so it's, it's not on us. it's the us part that they have to be clearing out. but yes, we could say there was a, there's a strong resentment regarding some of the actions that you guys, us taking in international politics. so if you're saying that you're trying hard actually to have good relations with the nato allies at the same time rush century to a corporation has been growing resistance. so despite the rest of the green conflict

and the best western sanctions on moscow, pistons are due on visited segments of the bricks. group of countries and other eastern political unions actually is turkey, pivoting towards alliances with eastern powers. now, international politics is an area where and you have your own country's 1st points and certain points in your own countries and people's interest at heart . this is the reality of international politics. so we are part of nato. we are part of a lot of this alliance. we are also parts. we are negotiating country to become a member of to, for you opinion and full member of your opinion. the reality is that we are not shifting. but like i said, in the beginning of the world, the system is shifting in certain areas. we are not looking at a world war 2 polls. like i said, in the cold war, there's delays all lines in the shop. now, this is not the world that we're living in today so that there are certain areas

where you have to act sometimes alone, where you have to act with lies and where you have to act with different countries or neighboring countries together. in that sense, we're taking the interest of the turkish nation to touch people at heart. but we also trying to fulfill our duties towards our allies and alliances. now there is a difference in certain issues the membership of finland and sweden to nature. freelance has been able to become a natural member with the support of to to you. however see is reading is not at this point because reading is not fulfilling. it has not fulfilled yet. the obligations or the promises that were given in metric last year. and that's the reason, and so in this sense, there are differences, but it doesn't mean these questions were asked to us in the future and in the past as well as to which is shifting towards this one. that's when, for example, another european union country or nature ally and certain relations are different relations with, with russia or for example, the eastern countries, china,

what india for that sense or japan. and then there's always that nobody's talking about a shift in the countries politics, but if took is acting in the interest of her own country. and when people then everybody's trying so well as here is 22 shifting, we're not shifting very clear. the 1st engagement that we have in the 1st year to that we have is towards the people i talked to as our country. and in that sense we're trying to when we're doing this, we're trying to protect our interests. but we also working too good from the countries. sometimes we have differences. china, for example, a lot of european union countries have very deep economy cause relations with china and also the us. and in that sense, with india, a lot of european union countries or need to allies have a very long ranging wide ranging relationship with india. uh so why is to

choose having these relations are we asked, or if they're shifting or not, we shouldn't be asking them, are you shift? i think just because you are a very strong country within they don't, we are, we are a country, like i said we, we have the 2nd, 2nd largest army and military force. and our borders, of course, are next to very, as unfortunates hotspots in the world. right. now mean we're boarding syria reporting iraq. actually see, we are bordering washer and deep. right? and then these are right now hot spots where there is a big problem. i think situation going on, i mean the war in ukraine and also the, the civil disabled situation of syria and iraq. and of course we have you around to the east, which is also not the very, very easy neighbor in the sense that there's always also not only around what the, what does the run doing and being our neighbor. of course, we have a different relationship. we have a closer relationship with, with the run. and sometimes we are also uh,

getting some attention regarding our relations with you. um, but the reality is there are neighbor, we have both economical ties. we have social ties and we have a shit and border which way. sure. so uh, we cannot be behaving as if, as if we are on an ocean away. this is reality of life. and so, yeah, i mean the position of to k is also in the sense where we can into influence positive outcomes in trouble regions which we have, which we're trying to do. this also get into the politics, mr. college polarization is a term used very often within to get and abroad. actually do agree that to turn out the elections turn out will be a crucial factor in trickier because of how intensely polarized the country has become recently. well, if you look into other countries political landscape, you will see that a lot of countries in the world right now we're could be characterized as being polarized us, for example,

the democrats and republicans out there. if you're following their statements and their tv programs and their, their realities, and you can see that the us is, is the people arrest right now in germany. there's also positions and if you want to label it in that way in front of right now, people are writing in the streets because for a certain decisions that president mccord has taken regarding the pension funds in the pension. this is age and it's only, it's only coming done now there's a but there's also a very strong result. any political route it pulls that go situation that you have in the country are going to an election. will of course bring about a bit more tension within the country, but i would not say that that we are deeply pull arise. but if you ask me about the election participation determination of the church, people have a very high to and also records in the past. so we are very and i would say, responsible in the sense of going to the ballad books since elections have been

held into a chair after the after the fifty's, since multi potty, a rule is introduced into get people had been going to, going to hold a lot, and we are actually one of the countries that has the highest turnover in any which also should go back and deposit compared to other european countries or the us or in the country that has the democratic elections. so the journals will of course be a factor in the result of the election, but it's not because we are seeing that the country is polarized in the sense, or that there is a difference. the difference in opinion. it's just that the turkish people do like to go to vote and to take their voice and make their voice heard in an election, because they believed that when they go to the election and votes, they will also have a say in the countries future. so in that sense, we're taking democracy at heart as you just mentioned, the voters living abroad. i also know that recently you criticize german and not

allowing a living to set both access to every state, but saying that the old church borders in the country should go to the embassies or to come. so it's why do you think germany made such a decision? unfortunately, when we asked about a expansion of molding stations, if you will, the boxes in germany. and then of course, the turkish states representation as being the embassies, the general consulates, and the other concerts were allowed. but the extra and valid books hillcrest was not granted by the federal government. now we have to make a distinction here because germany is a country which is a federal government, which is the federal state system. and the states have decisions making power is about their own a certain areas. now, no city or federal states has said no, but the federal government,

regardless of, of this factor has said they're not going to allow the extra balance boxes to be open. one of them being in my birth city, i don't want to be sounding like a conspiracy if there is, i don't believe in conspiracy theories, but the reality of the analysis that i can make is that this was a politically motivated decision and not to grunt extra balance boxes, 1st let's have the election, which i know will be a very, very good election kind of a in, in the, in the end. but after that we will sit down and talk with our german friends why they have taken this decision. yeah, let's also talk about um for an intervention issue rich underlined by a different chief, maybe each of a show a little. uh, what is your take on the latest economist cover with the title, the most important election on twin twin history, which was adorned with the tax save democracy and are doing must go, well, come from the economist. of course, it's a very critical because the economist is it a presenting uh,

is it presented in the country or near publishing in the country. do you k, which has introduced the world to the world camry general? so we know that unfortunately on democratic interventions and the okay have happened in the past. so i think they're trying to put forward a different picture in the world in different directions and, and trying to x and to put the picture there that and saying that we're not alone. it's not only happening to the u. k. now, um, it's unfortunate that they're trying to put this in a sense where they believe they can have a decision making a power or decision making the influence on the search people. this is not the case, and they will be quite shocked after the people go to the ballad boxes. but this is not only happening, the okay, not on the economist. unfortunately, we've seen this in front. we have also seen it in germany. and so there's always this interesting attitude, where is the, where are they saying we are doing this by the free press. we're doing this for

democracy, but they don't like it when it happens to them. if they go and say something to, for example, our diaspora, which is living outside of georgia. and if they're asking us what she would do or this, we give them an opinion it's, it's up to the people to decide what they're going to do. but if they ask me an opinion, i will give them an opinion. uh so they're seeing anything that we're seeing or doing as election to variance, but they are doing it outright and very openly. and then there's a labeling it is democracy. this will have democracy. this is plain outs, interference in the solver and countries, the decision making process. we're trying to integrate. um, so i believe all people will give them the appropriate answer on the 14th. but of course, in the sense of international diplomacy. and there's all of the things that we have, we can say and are seeing. but there are also some things that we are waiting to see and do after the election right now. we are in election campaign. and as. ready we are taking, it's a bit easy in the sense that we don't want to increase any,

any weight tensions. but we see the realities, we know what they're trying to do. and to after the election, we will sit down and have a very open discussion. and i don't think it is in any countries or any publications, rights, or they don't have any kind of a justification for what they're doing. now i know them which evasion is a hatred towards present, that one and the attitude that they want to see present add one, go on. if you look at, in that sense, there's a, there's also a political idea or philosophy representation in church here that has come together and they will need image to this thing and openly. and they only image to say, well and to achieve that, present ad one is another like the president. now if you're acting in the same way, then i have the rights to ask the question, are you working together? so let's go back to check interest of relations with an in case question,

in case research and mark glitched, a role that is elected into the presidential office. how could be the relationship between russian true to effect as could we expect equal relations with russia? if crush started on the wind slowly, my vehicle is that all of mr. calisto is not going to be a president. so i don't see the relevance of even giving the default of what he will do or will not do in the individual sense. but if he wants to know how he sees it to do it, i'll show relations or international relations. you will have to ask him, i cannot speak on his behalf, and you'll notice interview, you have stated that your kids, nato countries, to continue talks with both boring parties in ukraine realtor to you continued to play this role and is there any chance the country will extend the green deal if you want to kind of start all take silver. so this is not the kenworth calisto, but this is about, you know, the state policy and that's a political part of policy. maybe you will have an answer for this is this i can

analyze for you in the political sense and political it wonderful to go. you. like i said, i don't believe that the, the position the parties are the opposition block. or in that sense, mr. coach, that will, it will be like president. however, if you ask me if we have a, how we are going to look at the situation, it's clear we are in a position where we're saying, there was a war in the ukraine. and this is an unprovoked attack by russia to would you crate? um, i'm not going to go into details about how we are living since more than a year. now when decree and we have very clear stands on it and i'll present has made it very clear that he wants to see a citation of, of violence very soon and very quickly. but also there's realities on the ground. for example, greens, you, this is something that as an add on personally, what's uh,

working together with president putin on other international organizations has brought about. and we're taking it very seriously that it's that the brain and the food that is produced in the ukraine is being shipped and transported to the world because people are in need of, of, of this food. so this is different chapters that we looked at have to look into about, like i said, i don't know what mr. so we started was planning to do um, or what their, what his parties planning to do or what their coal parties in the alliance are going to do. because i've seen that also, they contradict each other different for them policy experts or for them hold see representatives within different parties in the party in the c, h, b and, and they are aligned to right now with the edge to be there's a lot of different views on what they can do will do or would do. so. i don't know how they will look at it, but it's our standard square. ok, some people ensure to express their fears that if mister and dollars has to

elections, people refused to hand over power. what is your take on this? well, the people who are saying this or trying to portray a picture in this, that they don't know the president's didn't know his track record, didn't know how he has been constantly since more than 40 years. been active in democratic political environment and how he has been elected after election of the election and to into office. and he has and we are very clear on this. we are here in the democratic sense. we have always said as our party and the president has always said that the people decided to buy the books, the turkish states government is decided by the people at the both books. it's not decided in any laboratory or by a notary cause or interference from outside the turkish people besides the ballad books. and we believe that on the 14th they will re elect our president. and so a, i think there is no need to look into and,

unsubstantiated the ideas if you will, or allegations and towards the present in the sense. and we are very clear under the democratic process in churches. and we are always working. we have always worked since one year, so increased the democratic participation of the people. and so i think i've track record speaks for itself. i want to ask you, who do you think would win to presidential election? but you already said that you believe that the president at dawn will win again. but why do you think so? well, if, if you look into what the political opponents of a prison add on and our party. so our particular points are pushing forward and bringing the people's attention. i don't believe that the people will support this because i believe it's not in the interest of to, to i don't believe it's in the interest of the people. and i don't believe that they will be able to persuade the people to support them. now, of course, they are made out of $78.00 different political parties and trip isn't stations of

students in particular views. so the, there is a big $78.00 block on one side, and then there is like 40 and the image p together with also different smaller parties against a big, wide variety of, of different particular presentations. them. but the starting point of the opposition. yeah. or mr. can we so it was campaign is that's as he is running for office as president, and that he will have 7 deputy presents. now if you go into the street and ask a shopkeeper or somebody who is in, in business, how do you expect to uh, if you have a company, how do you run your company? would you have 7 different co owners or uh, general managers. everybody will say to you will look, this is not how you run a business. this isn't the business side that we're talking about running the

government of a country. so i don't believe that the people will, will accept in any way that one, president, 7 deputy presidents will have to sit down, make a decision for some people. takes this as a meeting and a common sense meeting. and a common sense is bring your ideas together. you will not be there's, there's ideas, as opposed to good philosophy. and then there's the realities of running a government. you cannot sit down and have 78 heads of one issue. you can have a cabinet where there's one head of the cabins, president prime minister. you have a discussions with your, with your ministers as the government. ok, then you take a decision, but you cannot have 7 heads. this that the difference here is that they have 7 to 8 heading figures. this is the hard part of it. none. i mean, they have made the declaration. when they made it came together and decided to run

as one airlines with different party heads. and everybody's saying something else, they cannot even agree on the fact. if the p k, k is a terrorist organization or not. i mean just recently, one of the candidates, unfortunately, who we see deviating from the gbi to move on to protect the system. really being able to do that just stick with a lift or flip that came over to them. i need deals says that you train school, so that's good news. i used to move on when they finished over for a couple year and you can assume that somebody's full blown feel free to shoot the truck is necessary to take a picture of the day. so if it's

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