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behalf of ukraine, such as the full spectrum, cultural and the military unity in your up against most co. joining me from any military post. west point in new york is a us soldier and veteran who has advised ukraine's forces commander in chief generals illusion. he done rice who won his purple heart in the iraq war, is now president of the american university, which is in ukraine. then. thanks so much for coming on the show. so i mean in your capacity as a landscape commander in chief of ukraine, is it? well, how is your life change since 24th february 2022. yes. great question. uh, do you know, obviously the uh, the war guy was attracting for the whole world and uh, and changed a lot of lives, some lives forever. some are no longer with us unfortunately, so many victims. um for me uh, i became involved with the uh, the ukraine more after i took in some refugees in miami and uh and they were you training refugees and i thought that would be the end of it. but it turns out one
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of them, new president, zalinski and generals lose me, and they saw my west point materials all about my house. i live, i live alone, and most of the generals originally like because, i mean, he was in the us papers getting a $1000000.00 from a microsoft hair. gregory step. and that's what, what is he like? well, i mean, that's a great story because, you know, immediately when he received inheritance of a $1000000.00, he gave a 100 percent of it to the ukraine armed forces. so he took 0 dollars, so he's kind of, he's, he's a committed, humble servant, great sense of humor, very western. he's a, you know, he broken away from the old soviet style command and control is a great leader. and he has developed his leaders and subordinates to care about human life, to, to be much more humane than the old russian soviet style. and, you know, i think history will judge about he and presidents lensky with the right to people at the right time, you know,
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is always key leading the international effort and the political effort to get the, the, the kind of the, the world to rally around the train and then generals lose need to focus only on winning the worst. i mean, did he know about the fair leadership institute? did you a part of where i think you're speaking to be from which talks about the sort of cross dimensional leadership styles and the courses, but yeah we, we just corporate as well as ministry. yeah. when i was introduced to his staff, you know, they've added me to see who i was and, and what when background was on the, on the west point, the former airborne ranger qualified officer and served in a rack. and uh and yeah, my partners and i started a company 13 years ago today actually and uh, taught their leadership at west point. and our goal was to teach military leadership principles and learning to corporate executives. and so my background was very well suited to go advise ukrainian military when i say advise mostly what
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they needed was for me to help translate things back and forth between the us. since there was no us embassy at the time, and there was no us boots on the ground store and there was a big gap between the 2 armies. and so i kind of fill that gap and you mentioned the american soldiers there, but i'm sure you're aware of as the so called us mainstream media already covering the pendulum in leaks which suggested that there are indeed us forces on the ground . do you think they'll be bottom in the counter offensive and when is the counter offensive happening? i don't believe there's a u. s. troops on the ground. i think all those leaks were rubbish. and i've seen certain parts of the leaks that i know are a rubber. so i think the whatever those leaks where with the investigating them that there's a subject of a soul over the age of huge instigation internally when is that not true? white investigate? oh no a, i mean i won't get into operational security things, but you know, the enemy takes partial information that they gain through clear invest time services. and then they rehash it and they put in
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a lot of the things they want. you know, people, the things that you can take it to true side of stolen information, ad allied to it. and suddenly everybody believes that all 3 are true. it's just a basic conclusion, miles from britain's about the 15 k special forces and new to the from the us about the 14 us special forces you, you can never confirm or deny, otherwise you'd be caught in this thing where you're just denying. and then by and by not denying it, you're confirming it so you never die or confirm any of that stuff. so any minutes there were 14 special forces. i mean 14 people couldn't do much, but i've never run across scheme of a low. did car be handling well john cubby and the state department in the white house? have they been handling these leaks? well, because they said, you know, the report is very, which is not the hottest reporters in the world. they were going, well, it is just all nonsense and if it's or, or as you suggest tough druids or intermediary entail. why do announce loudly that there's going to be
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a multi agency investigation cause that suggest some thing is true in these. i think it leaks. oh, i think if, if you know, if, if they believed there was some information, lee doesn't have to be all of it. so the, the, it's not a binary thing. you don't have to say all of the information is true or all of it is false, is because that's how the enemy operates. they take partial information, and so i, i know much of that is false, that i've read it. i'm so, but i am not going to confirm which i know and which i don't, but i do know that they can't go through and say, yeah, that one's true. that was false. yeah, that was true. so it's really a, obviously an operation that another or an agency was involved with, in my opinion, my humble opinion, but just because of the 21 year. busy oh, i wouldn't even speculate. i mean it's a very sophisticated so there's only a handful, but who, who wins out of this? you're not going to tell me where the general solution he was irritated by his. i know i was irritated by the fact that there was all these stories from seymour hersh about the embezzle embezzling of us public money. from. did you see any,
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when you were in ukraine, the us public money valuable being wasted on mercedes cars and the like. you know, i mean, most of the things i was working with were, were a weapon, systems and hard products, and they're treated like national assets like nobody's going to take of javelin and sell it on the open market like these things are treated every single soldier, every commander trees these like gold they, they know that their lives on their nations existence depend on it. so you know, any, any a that came through like a usa id that was funding to keep the government running or something. i would have no visibility to that. my, my, my work was mostly what the military, that's what much of the black market weapons training. i was thinking just luxury cars and live styles of those people in the capital as opposed to the front line. ordinary men and women on the front line fighting rush, you know, i can't tell you that, you know, um i think president zalinski has implemented some very good policies and, and back to load of people a while he's done that, but he's also changed the law as like the,
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the anti corruption task force used to not have any teeth. so they can suspect somebody that they can actually take it to a charge or take it to a court. now they have teeth. and so these are, these are fundamental changes in the laws that allow your process to work effectively. because let's face it, there's corruption in dc, but you need to have as for option and corruption. i mean, i've been to provide, you know, if you have a folder in the end taken up by, are they all from the denials on all the different events and that i know you've been appearing on occasionally on the big networks in the united states about when is it going to happen and you in west point right now must attack that as that and where it is only part of the nature of nation taxpayers funding. this was the american spending so much so much money, while infrastructure collapse is at home. what does the ukraine need and when is it calendar offensive beginning? or, you know, from a when it begins, obviously that's classified and i don't have any classified information on the exact date. but i think you'll see that uh, you know,
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bach move the 72nd russian brigade has largely been destroyed and a large part of bucking mood has been taken back. which, you know, you can say that's a tactical offensive, or it's part of the major counter offensive. i think time will tell was that part of the main effort. but you know, you don't attack in the spring that was foolish for the russians to try to attack in the spring. you can't, you can't attack armored vehicles through mud. so as the ground hardens with the sun, it becomes more passable for armed vehicles, so they can fire maneuver. so i think the more we get towards the summer, the more likely the attack will come in a counter offensive or multiple counter offensive. so that's what happened last august and september and car key even curse on the russians of course, say that they have a must apply, you know, the right at the beginning here was all about not taking the capital, it was about something, supplies, etc, etc. how is your iraq, the how is the only other thing i was thinking? definitely was captured, keeping within a week, they were making restaurant reservations. russian officers ranking restaurant reservation for next weekend. slam they denied. they denied that they did. how is
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your experience in iraq integrates you were? comments, officer, us army, 42nd infantry division. how is that helped you understand the battle in you? great, because arguably, one could say the americans last in iraq is lost in every will. vietnam, ask amazon wherever i would. how is it? definitely disagree with that or definitely disagree with that we, we won the war by 2010. we had 0 casualties in the whole year in interact, we have won the war. we decided to give it up politically, very different, very different way to look at things done. right. so i'll stop you. there. more from the us veteran whose advise ukraine's armed forces commander in chief generals and others need often his break the the,
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[000:00:00;00] the so what he's got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy, even foundation, let it be an arms race is on all sides. very dramatic. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful. very good. i think it was time time to sit down and talk the welcome back to going on the right. i'm still here with them right. the bottom of special adviser to cranes on forces commander in chief generals industry,
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or using shocking or shocking or style tactics by the russians. if they bonds key of the capital, just as the americans destroyed baghdad, the health ministry, the education ministry, do you think that's webpage is making his mistake? he needs to go in and just compet boom, the capital of ukraine, just as the americans did back that i would challenge almost every word of that sentence question. so now, yeah, the americans a, we liberated a rack and we tried to keep casualties to a minimum we, we never attacked civilian targets intentionally. very different russians only attack civilian targets for the most part and key. they're not attacking anything military and key because there really is nothing military. so when you send $25.00 cruise missiles on may, 9th, the for the be victory in europe day at keys of which raytheon shut down $23.00 of $25.00. so the air defenses are getting much, much better, but they're attacking all civilian targets. it's entirely different. the us didn't attack, especially, i mean, maybe one or 2 accidental eric bombs,
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which you have in any u. s. do not attack civilian facilities in, in afghanistan and iraq. no, they never, it's actually really. so is it intentionally know, are you doing the 10s of millions killed wounded or displaced by u. s. point? i don't have tens of millions direct tens of millions feels very good once. that's where that's the just to get some way off for it, for those words. now the united nations with sensory displacement thing is i'm, you just mentioned that actually in january and there is a propaganda war about the civilian killing. of course, what did you make you did the report a 38 killed a wounded by us applied i'm was, i guess, a divider, a civilian hospital in east and ukraine in january are the ukrainians actually targeting civilian infrastructure because they know zelinski assigned into law banning journalist from the front line, why would you do that? as you know, there's a, there's, there's 1300 registered a journalist within ukraine. so journalism has been promoted and supported. i know this because the former chief of strategic communications,
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a friend of mine. so they, i'm registered and they have allowed. now when you're about to go on a counter offensive and you, you don't put a bunch of people out there with satellite phones that can all radio back to, uh, you know, x, y, z station and indifferent. but you're probably going to count or function within your, your kids or lives are at risk. so i know they've, they've done a phenomenal job overall. i think uh, in a, in, in helping to try to communicate to the world exactly what is happening in real time. the russians. i mean, it's all complete this information. i mean, you can see the stuff being circulated by the russians. i mean, they're pretty good at it. that's what the actually the biggest strength is this information, this information. so this is a strength, because uh, i think most people in nato countries would say that the russians of the bad guys here as no email accessible. i mean, they've been, obviously there's a 1st amendment in the united states within your ebony and britain, they've banned r t television and so on. and they've been able to, man, all news coming from russia is it was in the united states. is there a growing constituency or adapting the war?
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aims of, uh, washington, and you great. i mean, i did, she just said it was the best. so, the russian, well, it's showing that it's assessable, the lucky and hearing some of your questions. so they, they, they are very successful in making people think that some of the things they put out are correct and they do it very effectively because they, you know, they're, they're led by a k, g, b, colonel. like you spent his career in the k g b, so you know, their, their government is more focused on that type of thing that he grew up learning as a soviet cage the officer. so they're very good at, at it. now. you can only hide the truth so long when it's so heinous, the things they're doing, you know, when they're, when they're saying they're liberating russian speakers. well, everybody in ukraine spoke russian because the russians occupied it under the soviet union. so that's a good excuse to take back all of the soviet union, including black hulu or speakers before the soviet union in the land mass of where you. great. yeah, yeah. as long as you said, the russian military reflects russian society. you think it's a bankrupt culture, morally bankrupt, and the intention is to kill women, children,
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elderly. what do you make of the banning of russian literature in? well, presumably in the overall of the american university and your grand well, the 1st thing i'd say is you challenge that there were russian speakers and ukraine prior to that, one of the soviet union controlled ukraine. you know, basically for the last nearly a 100 years. so of course that they were forced, they force pressure upon them, they made everybody learn it in school. they, they taught them all their propaganda based non truth. so you know that they were not telling the truth, trying to kind of institutionalized this. but if you look back, if you want to look back on history, i mean the, the history of the ukraine is much older than history ever. but most of the russians are really, as russians a grand, big 3 general secretaries of the communist party. where, you know, i'm just up to, you know, what do you feel is the president of the american university and ukraine when dusty epsky books are being destroyed down the street as well? i'm always a supporter of free truth in this free speech that,
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that the truth will make it free and that, you know, we will not band free speech on campus whatsoever. i mean people, if they have opposing views, they should voice them and, and the best ideas are accepted. so, you know, we'll be running the university. don't feel personally knowing that told story as being burnt or destroyed down the street from the fact that you're the person i told you that i did not know that it is covered under where it's covered in us. maybe, you know, i haven't seen that. and i also question when something's covered like that, a question, what does that mean? like, what's the government banning it or what? who, who did it and when and why? so i was not aware of that. what i have seen is things like to have implemented some laws because the russians have used the excuse that they are, they invaded to liberate russian speakers. they have said that vendors cannot speak russian, they're almost speak ukrainian. so they're basically trying to say, look, we are ukraine, you can't allow food and to keep coming in reading, you know, every 70 years because he,
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because people are speaking russian. so they are forced on ukraine to be the panes state language, which i actually agree with on the same way. that's like spanish in texas, isn't it? because obviously those we don't have. those who don't favor was invading us, mexico's invading us with an armed force, which some question whether or not. but if they weren't meeting us with our funding for coming in, we have going here. and i mean, i think, i think that the democratic united states government would have to consider all actions, but i did valid, we, i against the us constitution. i'm sorry to have what were you able to do then to be i don't think any supreme court would allow that, but hopefully we also don't have an extra central, right. we also don't have an a central threat. that's a, that's a massive armored force that's invading, trying to raise, killed village were destroyed the culture. it's not just the military worth of military, political, economic, and religious war. so if you don't think that the russian orthodox churches heavily involved mostly with spies, so you agree with investigation and the russian orthodox churches leaders as the
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alleged by those who support real hands can don't yet. console him. i didn't say that i didn't say, agree with persecution. i agree that everybody should be investigated, that there's lots of people that you have to investigate in a situation like this, where you have an active kinetic operation. but you also have guerrilla warfare from both sides. so you have to investigate people and that's what you do instead of the fundamental military question isn't coming out of time. when people are pushed into a corner. as a military man, i think you'll know what people do most if humanity voted uh, refused to vote, to condemn russia at the united nations general assembly when the events of uh february last year happened. and why you so convinced that if the counter offensive a successful, no tactical nuclear or technical conventional but high powered miss
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a will not be aimed at the capital of ukraine or even suppliers of the weapons countries but supplied weapons to i mean the north stream, obviously pipeline explosion, the news about that's in russia are all the time. why you so convinced that these countries will be fine, or even united states interests more widely remedying based in germany is safe. i'm not, i think rushes out of control. i think there's a chance they couldn't use tackle new cars, think there's a chance they couldn't melt down this operator and then show a plan. i think the world has to agree that we can't be held hostage by that with a particular on our if they did that. so this temporary, so just like southern russian which he doesn't really care about. so he only cares about saint petersburg and moscow, so not only at home because and abroad is the same dictator. was there in 2040 junior to you just simply lose if it wasn't for the army and union britain in the united states. i mean, you kind of a thief or i think it should have been never reward here because we know i just asked the question that's no,
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we don't drives and right. it would never been an invasion. had we had, we lived up to our obligation onto the 1994 budapest record, which guaranteed the safety and exchange for the unusual weapons. ukraine gave up the rest of the weapons, which were their defense against russia. they gave him up because we said we would defend them. we didn't in 2014 now and 2000, you prefer ukraine to have nuclear weapons. now? no, your dear, you know, i would prefer we had sign. well, you believe nuclear weapons are determined, but nuclear weapons onto the chair and because you just express the voice of the what is needed now is to continually i'm ukraine to fight russia. now you're jumping from your subject to subject so quickly. we can focus on one of them. i mean, if you actually look at alpha, nobel is believe cell for nobel, the nobel peace prize, he believed in deterrence. and he hoped that sometimes the 1800s, the whole sunday that will be weapons that we so stream that both sides would not actually attack each other. and that's actually what has happened in the cold war. now you had mutual assured destruction when, when you crane had nuclear weapons in the us,
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his efforts to get non proliferation to reduce the number of countries. we gave a guarantee along with britain in russia that ukraine would stay free. we didn't live up to it and we signed the 1994, budapest. of course we sure to put an international force along the border just like we have in the dmc and korea, you put an international force. their rush is not going to attack it. they didn't have to join nato, solomon's google, it was arguably what russian believed and of course, angrily michael diploma. john smith said that was just for nato to um, to continually kill people and don't. that's how many ukrainians have been killed. estimates in between 857002300000 ukrainians dead at would this will still be going on. if they do a step down, i mean savanski or i, if nato stopped army zalinski, the $38000000.00 people would be occupied and terrorized and the country of ukraine would cease to exist and they would be occupied and me in $24.00 trip torture chambers in person alone, you know,
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there's an occupying force that would've been raping killers in college and looting . yes. if nato didn't supply, yes, ukraine would have following up. absolutely. that's a military fact. nobody disputes that the only way that you're going to keep going is the brave ukrainian soldiers trained by the west and only the ukrainians are fighting and dying. and they're dying. not just for your crane. they're dying for him, although brother, dying for poland, they're dying for sweden and finland. they are dying because the russian aggressor is on the move again and nobody's safe. and they all realize it. and you have some amazing leadership like the present poland. these are leaders that are stepping up and realize that they're protecting their people. they're protecting their nation by arming your brain and fighting the russians in the country. they just invaded. and they can't stop till the invader is gone. that the aggressor with nuclear weapons is gone, and that comes with it. some really tough, bad versus worse decisions. these are not easy things when you try to put it in a binary, binary or argument it's, it's almost impossible. are you? the reality is this for is a lot like the more on pollutants,
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paul. he was the invader in 2014. he was in today or 2022. he needs to go from office. hopefully the russian people will get rid of them. well, the use is very popular, many people believe that people are dying because there are no peace negotiations, but then right, i don't know any, but i don't know anybody that's educated about the subject. i believe that that's, that's ridiculous. you're going to do. you're going to actually stop the fighting to give up the land that they just invaded and stole that, but just encourage us to come back for more than rise. thank you. thank you. and that's it for the show will be back on monday with the pigeon power adults or the professor richard sack with for different view on how to warn you. crane is going until then you can keep in touch my role as social media, if it's not sensors in your country and had to channel going on, the ground tv on rumbles, don't come to watch new and old episodes of going undergrad. so human the, the,
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