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. 2 2 1 of the weapons that private companies use against whistle blowers is the court's knowing that whistle blowers can't possibly pay attorneys to defend them over the long term companies will file lawsuit after lawsuit motion after motion to where the whistle blower down and in many cases cause bankruptcy, the whistle blower often times will then just give up. there just isn't any more money. but sometimes the courts see through that strategy. sometimes the good guys really do when i'm john kerry ok. welcome to the whistle blowers the . 2 jonathan taylor spent 9 years as an attorney for s b m, off shore, a dutch multi national oil company, s b m, off shore, also had the us subsidiary called s b m,

off shore usa. during the course of his employment with s b. m off shore taylor became aware of evidence of bribes being offered to government officials in return for lucrative contracts. this is a crime pretty much everywhere in the world. in the united states. it's a violation of something called before and corrupt practices act. that's a serious crime. in the end s b m offshore agreed to pay a $240000000.00 settlement and dutch authorities for violating the bribery laws. and in addition, as bmw offshore usa paid an additional $238000000.00 for the same crime. as bmw offshore usa also pleaded guilty as a company to criminal charges associated with the bribery. that's a story with a happy ending, right. not so fast. in july 2020 taylor and his family were on holiday in croatia when he was arrested by croatian authorities on what's called an interpol read notice. although the warrant was withdrawn,

taylor was not allowed to leave croatia. his family returned home, but he ended up stranded in croatia for a year just in case the government of monaco, which had filed the charges in the 1st place, changed its mind and decided to seek his extradition in the end again after a year. he was finally allowed to return to the u. k. and the pro ration judge closed the case against him. as happens with many whistle blowers, taylor rather than being lauded and honored, has had his life turned upside down. his career is in ruins. his personal life is in tatters and he was forcibly separated from his family despite the fact that he was never charged with a crime. and still, 2 years later, he is being pursued by the government of monica. we are very happy to be joined by jonathan taylor. jonathan, thank you so much for joining us. we're happy to have you, jonathan. it's unusual that a case of whistle blower. retaliation is so clear, cut usually wasn't blowing as complicated and messy,

not so with this case. you saw illegality, and you reported it, your company and its subsidiary admitted their guilt and paid a huge penalty. the story should have ended right there. what happened next? and how did monica go get involved? so it's, it's about what happens upon discovering the cost, very corrupt positive. i'm s b m and it's out reporting and it was help and it's um, coming up as much as it possibly cuz disclosing to the all thoughts ease as little as possible. this became evidence of a quite 7 young and i started feeding your forty's with the full story sussing with the us securities and exchange commission, like graduating into about 5 to 6 of prosecute has this is that so it was done.

i started these spins, obviously fell, attempts to minimize the level of disclosure out formats i became every member. well, if you will, um go to know dates for companies being fined. about $847000000.00 us dollars spent over 6 different prosecute since the game had it had this way. and the fine would have been considerably less that obviously being presents of a 2 pharmacy who's in counseling. but it was my involvement in glowing with so which was issue quite successful as far as a winter blade is concerned, but something not in terms of like private life. um uh the uh, the full on folders um espn um was a, uh, a golden

a lease for monica. it's was a blue shift company. but monica once it opens to head closer. and monica, the relationship between the company and monica. it was quite a monitor is the size spams oil release its products in the old extracts and business function platforms on it stands. and they get one free emissions to get the states and espn representatives clicks. i was even open to trash at the parentheses. and 2nd full espn to am sofa. um i also have being the product biggest private sector in troy. yeah. in monica, monica was not happy with me. i'm curious to know to who came to your defense, what was the reaction of the british government, for example, the british government over the past 20 years certainly has been on the wrong side

of national security whistle blowing. but on these financial matters, they've actually been pretty good where they helpful to you. so the, the british government got involved relatively lights on light sides information to the service for office in mountain. and they use that to that benefits in various prosecutions. when i saw supporting i was on the the next edition proceedings stuck in croatia, the initial response public response was what connection was said between taylor being a whistle blower and his being arrested on the inside of co written notice in the prospect. in july 2020. what was the relationship? ultimately, there was an emergency question in the house of parliament and the house of commons and the following day, the house of lords. and that's the defense was constantly repeated.

however, such as the trust parties support for my case and the site to hook up and meet us when to be within the week. the government's line had changed to one of kevin price and need to treat taylor as a result of that. it's really difficult to ascertain what help they want to me. they probably said they wouldn't get involved in legal proceedings in a 3rd party country, which of course, it does what it wants to. i don't know what went on behind prize tools when various governmental officials came to christ and i don't know to what extent my case was discussed. i got nothing to demonstrate. it was so mild, so it would be on the face of it. the support from the government was was opposing additional. how are you able to deal psychologically with that year of uncertainty in croatia? you were separated from your family, you were unable to earn any money. you had the prospect of arresting deportation

hanging over your head. how did you get through it? so very fortunately, i have a really good support, right? but on the, on some we're supplying n g a is journalists, and some politicians it was led by, i'm often bright. so you probably have heard of them from the movie official secrets on the test. don't say he was um i'd like social jobs. so i was over in contact with him before my interest and he was introduced. it's in, he was an interesting story on from my experience before christ and he put together some key people. so it was very helpful and getting by in price that i had this support network because we were in regular common sense. the start was on a daily basis they, they made the wills of difference and got it and supports especially you went

through the press and, and call themselves with a. so it was, it was seeing people do the best for me and really trying, which is still confidence and hoping the best, the best offices that question were speaking with attorney and oil whistleblower jonathan taylor. we're going to take a short break and hear more about his experience state to. 2 2 2 2 2 2 the,

[000:00:00;00] the, the watson back to the whistle blowers, i'm john kerry onto we're speaking with british attorney and oil was a blower, jonathan taylor, about his experience after blowing the whistle on an international corporate bribery scandal. welcome back,

jonathan johnson. let's walk through your whistle blowing. you were an attorney with a major company, s b m off shore. how did you become aware of brunch? you realized what was happening. what about some tension with neg when she in equitorial guinea, it was payoff the presence saw amongst others. and so that lawyer rang up like the general counsel on the basis that he knew him having access for x on the other compliance issue a few years before. now the key to this was that my general counsel and the maturity of the council. they had no idea about the bribes, the people that knew with the management board of a salesman and to see people in the accounts. but certainly as a result of that cool, those certain people on the outside certainly became aware of what turned out to be a huge history of bribes, being paid by the company. you $250000000.00 in the fight is up to 2011. a lot,

a suitcase opened in the account since and we were based in molly and switched and suddenly gave us all this information about payments to agents. and i was provided with circle agency agreements on the which the bribes paid. and so soon was in possession of an awful lot of information. within days it became clear that the country wants to cover up as much of its history. it's, it's a golden history as possible and a front of the marginalize it to the material guinea bribe, which is relatively small amount compared to the price being paid in brazil. for example, when i go to, to say, i mean, they probably become aware of the fact that the, the company was trying to do the wrong thing i didn't was having to do with this. um, i mean, he wants to come way back side if you will assign those very well. the way i have

a new york times reports about the beaumont bribes and mixer trends and have a lower. is it very much involved in that? so my re, max was to get in touch with the securities and exchange commission through my us attorney. and i scratched a whole lot of documents information on it. they decided that it didn't have jurisdiction and suggested i go to the f b i minutes, that the justice ministry department of justice. so it was in that order that's events i'm forwarded. i'm ultimately, um, i do have some tools that was helping out the epi, i in washington. they came to see me helping. yes sir. so helping to visiting and prosecute to helping the task prosecute to helping us with both of these are a mess. this 847000000 in fines. i was only doing what i saw is the, the tricks, and you don't go to justice. voluntary as was the plan just to goes with the

o j. and the dutch prosecutor who seals. you just go there and just tell them a little bit of the story. you want to go to what, what you can you tell them the full story and that was my position. it was found to be untenable by the company's management. i'm like that for less of a company with a young family without the jump to go. as i said at the opening of the program, you did the right thing. you reported on illegality. the authorities took over, they found your allegations to be credible, and they prosecuted the case. that should have been the end of the story. so why were you pursued? what did the prosecutor in monaco think he was going to find and why forbid your departure from croatia? so let's take a step back. first of all, i was subject to a what we call a slap. a strategic lawsuit against public participation for defamation, of closing statements i've made,

which of course with true has been with trying to effectively destroy pm. so i've run out of money, won't be able to defend myself and shuts up. that's what they wants to do. so this is last i was doing my tool as well as soon as prosecute is they just want to tell you that the shot top. ultimately, they failed, i found an expense or, oh, i'll say vote, and that's from books law firm in, in the netherlands. and he followed the defense with a $123.00 exhibits and espn pool the case. but then a same time they were, they were, they were reporting made to the money, i guess prostitutes. so monica always remembers the place where i'm pretty much school the brides was born an executed. and i was not being reported to monica and full, attend since extortion, which was the test of what was the nonsense, but the mess a they, they, they still reports at me. and of course,

monica was very happy to take up the writings. they didn't and full me up until the 27th saying they lets the little the, the charges made in 2014. and then in 2018, the message was dismissed by the correctional course. and monica for multiple pages of the european convention on human rights. they were writing to me that language i didn't understand and that was huge gaps and time. it wasn't being conducted in a timely manner. however, it was allowed to like a phoenix in the ashes be born and the next i knew falls forward. so july 30th, 2020, finally holidays and stuff and looked down at the 1st knocked out. anyway, i was, i was arrested at dubrovnik at ports using the reason, given for my rest of the box that was checked on the, in simple red most is a paper was a bright green corruption, which is like the next thing i knew i was a cost race it for,

for $5.00 days, with 2 finest defenders and a, a drugs center. unfortunately, i'm on a pill i was allowed, helps protects reports every, every to twice every week. so the police station types of pay 15000 years and fell out my passports hopelessly. i'm hopeless cases but ultimately my international outside of the cabinet determines and that's the red light. this has never been issued in this way to display data. in some hope it's monaco should never have allowed never. that's just another thing to sway the bible into 2 issues at night just and it was withdrawn on the 17th of december. my french lawyer would in board all across the world and we're still going to do it. in the meantime was speaking with the investigation judge in mama to about my voluntarily coming out to see if it was all fixed was now to to get out towards the end of december 2020. however,

the much the public prosecutor had to withdraw all. so the request for my expedition in christian otherwise price or pounds to keep hold of me. unfortunately, the prosecutor didn't do that. and i, i was so i had to stay out saying for i should what was still another 7 months i have to prosecute. allows me to travel someone. okay, to see the investigation judge um i was almost certain things i'm still be married . so i went to investigative my nice and i'd still be working in the law. so it's pretty much the science of and that's a revenge. you know, i repeat, spirit was the biggest part of set to employ it in one of the ties between states and the company a very long and is very tight. and i was on the wrong hands of a persecution by the states. monica,

what role do you think s p m off shore had with all of this? i can't believe that a prosecutor would just decide on his own volition to target a whistleblower who had come forward to report on an illegality. any legalities that was successfully prosecuted. the prosecutor in monaco must have been put up to it. can you speculate on that? was the company behind it? perhaps a government might have been behind it. i was one of the, the 1st people to make your thoughts. he's aware that in brazil, the prosecution, brazil, as to the corruption at picture process, the national gods company of opposite over a spin funding bribes to some executives. and as the results of my information, what was that as of ration costs again and turns out that the espn is bribes events as they what that would save you aspect. and then a whole lot of a visit in firms and comp tells paying bribes,

and it was inmates and nobody's national companies. ultimately, this led to shoes protests at one point they were 50 protest and 50 visit in cities east protests, of at least 1000000 people and ultimately sold to the doubtful of the of the presidents joomla roost. she was in the pos, administer for energy, and the for the chairperson of pension for us. um and uh she, she looks uh, i the tot incompetence for the oh, this guy on the watch. oh, see, my son has perhaps nothing about what was going on with with nothing more than anything else to that. in addition, i should add the espn russo found to be paying the work is spotty. that was the peasants potty and the $1300.00 for the 2010 presidential campaign and support of children who systems the 1st campaign. so

what we're looking at bear is the corruption is now on the mining democracy. and what is the 4th largest democracy in the world? so nobody bribes and i go to the tv people below the poverty line where types of traps. so i'm asking millions where that money should really be invested in the infrastructure of schools, roads, and hospitals. but oh, site essentially the expense of, of, of the fix of corruption. so perhaps i house to the east, the beginning of the end of june, the recess. he was ultimately of costing peach a time as, as the presence of brazil, the further information i found out since i left this bmw is the, the towns and see who did. i need to just come on board about about a month before these revelation surface. he was found to have him sign off on

a private just being well reports. it was just the $35000000.00 to go and fits, attracts, including the van, has some of us the uh and go to most of them a gas company, some improvement. well, it has since a he went on to be vice president of the country. um, so the soonest, i think, $5000000.00. so i managed to mess information, something which i didn't even realize i had that's i was able to divulge a 2021. the folks of h is mind is off to the espn, but the overall message is, you know, i had the kitchen sink, so i wouldn't be, yes, i was very successful. was still buying, but i have to suffer in obviously it says, hey, simply play somebody in the world who puts the supplies the wells since

the notes ready for us. there is no way of it as i should have suffered with i've had to suffer for bringing chief to the faces of them, of corruption to justice. and i have paid and knows pesto penalty and my life has been changed. well, katy forever. i was on a very happy family holiday. on the 6th of july i am now, as i say, i'm divorced. i'm jobless. i'm not last year. my last that should never have happened. i'm hoping the low make is the well, uh listen to my town and it's not something i looked today. it was something that came upon me and realize that's robust laws needs to be passed for the protection