in the world order on the world politics international relations, that's a reality is 20 years ago. today there is a shift in a lot of things. and to regarding that, of course, the shift of world politics also cars to kid to adopt herself within the world system and the world order. and that sense, of course, church, it has a place to date. i believe that we have put forward and bored about a very strong place of and with politics and diplomacy, and general and international relations. if there was a, there would be a change. we will, of course, adapt to it. but the reality is that's 2, which is at the table in all negotiations and all international decision making processes, especially in the region. and in that sense that we have found a place and we have established funds with a stablished place in the willow of mr. coach, according to the latest polls, the majority of church people see the country has made a partner,

the united states as a potential enemy. to what extent do you agree with this opinion? and what is your take on chick is relations with it's nato allies. so of course nature, what is the defense of lights based on, on an agreement as has been signed more than 5060 years ago. it's actually entered 70 as no entrance. it has been a part for, for ultimate to, for a long time. it's been more than half a century in the defense alliance. of course, we're talking about countries that come together. every country has different views on certain things. but there's a general sense of, of being together regarding certain issues. now of course, funding the funding time was made, so it was during the cold war. it has a different backdrop than it has today. we have seen a shift in nato's roles from being a safe keeper to was there. so you could say engaging in certain areas of defense,

us and so security alliances. but there is always a perception. it's not only true to me, we have to, we have to be very frank and open about this. there's always a certain reservation towards united states politics in the world. i was born and raised in germany and i know that in german politics there's also a reservation towards international relations. and the the attachment of, of the us or, or their point of view. just at the turn of the century before we became the government into care, there was a strong risk between germany and, and united states. will there need to realize as well. there's also a belief that deep differences between fronts in the us on certain issues. so yes, there is from time to time differences regarding certain issues and, and the view for it on these issues or how we should deal with these in depart public perception to public view. of course, if you look at it, the united states has in our view and easily inc, still some things that are hurting to just do

a particular position. and also it security. namely, the p k, k n y, p g and p y d partnership with the terrace organization that us is, is putting forward. they're saying it's, it's not a terrorist organization. why pj and p while id, we're seeing it isn't their own. actually, the us intelligence is saying that the same people who are running the p k k are also at the head of the p y, p g and p y d. so these are the differences. also regional issues and security issues that has been a long time a debate is going on into acute regarding those recalls and the cost that we had and dean roles in the united states. now, of course, these ideas or these thoughts are not being helped by the fact that after certain years we find out or find out that us has been active in interfering and international internal relations of different countries. so these speculations and ideas of course, are being fuel in that sense. so it's, it's on the us to work on the perception of the people to that and you,

that the states. but generally see, we have differences with are the different nato allies. but we see the lines as an important the lines, and we are part of this, and we are actually the 2nd, the 2nd largest army of nato. and also we are one of the 5 countries, the 1st 5 countries, the contribution to the budget of nato. and so in that sense, we're taking very seriously what the need to align stands for. however, like i said, there are different point of views, different approaches to certain issues and to we are not deviating from those. so in a sense, we could samuel also steering nato in the, in the correct direction that we believe it is and should be on certain topics. there was a certain amount of distrust regarding us, u. s. foreign policy. just recently the interviews or the views that present by and during his election campaign. a few years ago, i gave regarding to a just democracy democracy in particular, the landscape on helping these of course,

these, these kinds of wrong i did. she was in wrong attributions. do not diminish in the sense the, the, this rest of the people to watch us for them, policy, but fuel them. so it's, it's not on us. it's the part that they have to be clearing out. but yes, we could say there is a, there's a strong resentment regarding some of the actions that you guys, us taking in international politics to as you're saying that you're trying hard actually to have good relations with the nato allies at the same time rush century, to a cooperation has been growing ever since with despite the rest of the green conflict and the best western sanctions on moscow, pistons are due on visits, summits of the bricks, group of countries, and other eastern political unions, actual eastern people, thing towards alliances with eastern powers. now, international politics is an area where and you have your own country's 1st points and certain points and your own countries in people's interest at heart

. this is a reality of international politics. so we are part of nato. we are part of a lot of this alliance. we are also part. we are negotiating country to become a member of the few opinion and full member of the opinion. the reality is that we are not shifting, but like i said in the beginning of the world system is shifting in certain areas. we are not looking at a world war 2 polls. like i said in the cold war, there's delays will lines into zillow shop. now, this is not the world that we're living in today so that there are certain areas where you have to act sometimes alone, where you have to act with lies and where you have to act with different countries or neighboring countries together. in that sense, we're taking the interest of the turkish nation to touch people at heart. but we also trying to fulfill our duties towards our allies and alliances. now there is a difference in certain issues the membership of finland and sweden to nature.

freelance has been able to become a natural member uh with the support of to to you. however see is reading is not at this point because reading is not fulfilling. it has not fulfilled yet. the obligations or the promises that were given in metric last year. and that's the reason. and so in this sense, there are differences, but it doesn't mean these questions were asked to us in the future and in the past, as well as to achieve shifting towards this one. that's when, for example, another european union country or need to ally and certain relations with different relations with, with russia or for example, the other eastern countries, china, uh, or india for that sense or japan. and then there's always that nobody's told me about a shift in the country's fullest expect, if to, to is acting in the china for example. a lot of european union countries have very deep economy cause relations with china. and also the us and, and in that sense, with india, a lot of european union countries or nato allies have

a very long ranging wide ranging relationship with india as so why if to j is having these relations are we also, if they are shifting or not we should be asking them, are you shifting? i think it's because you're a very strong country within they don't. we are, we are a country, like i said we, we have the 2nd 2nd largest army military force. and our borders, of course, are next to very, it's unfortunate, it's hot spots in the world right now. mean we're boarding syria reporting iraq. actually see, we are bordering washer and deep. right. and then these are right now hot spots where there's a big problem. i think situation going on, i mean the war in ukraine and also the, the civil disabled situation of syria and iraq. and of course we have, you run to the east, which is also not the very, very easy neighbor in the sense that there's always also not only around what the, what is your on doing and being our neighbor. of course, we have

a different relationship. we have a closer relationship with, with the run. and sometimes we are also getting some attention regarding our relations with the wrong. but the reality is there are neighbor, we have both economical ties. we have social ties, and we have a shift and border which way. sure, so we cannot be behaving as if, as if we are on an ocean away. this is reality of life. and so, yeah, i mean, the position of turkey is also in the sense where we can and to influence positive outcomes in trouble regions which we have, which we're trying to do to this also get into the politics. mr. college polarization is a term used very often within 2 here and abroad. actually do agree that to turn out the elections turn out, will be a commercial factory and trick here because of how intensely polarized the country has become recently. well, if you look into other countries political landscape, you will see that

a lot of countries in the world right now we could be characterized as being polarized us, for example, the democrats and republicans out there. if you're following their statements and their tv programs under their rallies, you can see that the us is, is the polarized right now. in germany, there's also polarization. and if you want to label isn't that way in front, right now. people are writing in the streets because of a certain decisions that president mccord has taken regarding the pension funds and the pension. this is age and it's really, it's only coming down now there's about, there's also a very strong result. any political route it pulls that goal situation that you have in the country are going to an election. will of course bring about a bit more tension within the country, but i would not say that that we are deeply polarized. but if you ask me about the election participation disorders nation of the church, people have a very high to and also a records in the past. so we are very and i would say,

responsible in the sense of going to the about books since elections has been held into a chair after the after the fifty's. since multiparty a rule is introduced into cat people have been going to going to hold a lot. and we are actually one of the countries that has the highest turnover in any which also if you go back and deposit compared to other european countries or the us, or any country that has the democratic or the elections. so the journals will of course be a factor in the result of dealing. sure. but it's not because we are seeing that the country is polarized in the sense. now that there's a difference, a difference of opinion. it's just that the turkish people do like to go to vote and to take their voice and make their voice heard in an election because they believe that when they go to the election and votes, they will also have a say in the countries future. so in that sense,

we're taking democracy at heart as you just mentioned, the voters living abroad. so i also know that recently you criticize german and not allowing a living to set both access to every state, but saying that the old church borders in the country should go to the embassies or to come. so it's why do you think germany made such a decision? unfortunately, when we asked about a expansion of molding stations, if you will, the boxes in germany. and of course, the turkish states, representation as being the embassies, the general consulates and other conflicts were allowed. but the extra and valid books hillcrest was not granted by the federal government. we have to make a distinction here because germany is a country which is a federal government, which is a federal state system. and the states have decisions making power is about their own. a certain areas now, no city or federal states has said no, but the federal government,

regardless of, of this factor has said they're not going to allow the extra balance boxes to be open. one of them being in my birth city, i don't want to be sounding like a conspiracy if there is, i don't believe in conspiracy theories, but the reality of the analysis that i can make is that this was a politically motivated decision, not to grunt, extra amount of boxes. first let's have the election, which i know will be a very, very good election kind of a in, in the, in the end. but after that we will sit down and talk with all german friends why they've taken this decision. yeah, let's also talk about um for an intervention issue, which underlined by the 4 in chief, maybe whichever show a little. uh, what is your take on the latest economist cover with the title, the most important election i was going to in history, which was adorned with the tax save democracy. and our don moscow will come from

the economist. of course, it's a very political because the economist is representing a is represented in the country or they're publishing in a country the u. k. which has introduced the world to the world camry general. so we know that unfortunately on democratic interventions and the okay have happened in the past. so i think they're trying to put forward a different picture in the world in different directions and trying to x and to put the picture there that and saying that we're not alone. it's not only happened to the u. k. now, um, it's unfortunate that they're trying to put this in a sense where they believe they can have a decision making a power or decision making the influence on the search people. this is not the case, and they will be quite shocked after the people go to the ballad boxes. but this is not only happening the okay, not only economist, unfortunately, we've seen this in front. we've also seen it in germany. and so there's always this

interesting attitude worse, where this thing we're doing just by the free press we doing this for democracy, but they don't like it when it happens to them. if they go and say something to, for example, our diaspora, which is living outside of georgia. and if they're asking us what she would do or this, we give them an opinion it's, it's up to the people to decide what they're going to do. but if they ask me an opinion, i will give them nothing. uh so they're seeing anything that we're seeing or doing as much interference, but they are doing it outright and very openly. and then there's a labeling it is democracy. this will not democracy, this is plain outs, interference in the solvent countries decision making process. we're trying to integrate. um, so i believe all people will give them the appropriate answer on the 14th. but of course, in the sense of international diplomacy, there's all of the things that we have, we can say and are saying, but there are also some things that we are waiting to see and do after the election

. right now we are in an auction company. um and what we're taking, it's a bit easy in the sense that we don't want to increase any anyway tensions. but we see the realities, we know what they're trying to do. and to after the election, we will sit down and have a very open discussion. and i don't think it is in any countries or any publications, rights, or they don't have any kind of a justification for what they're doing. now i know them which evasion is a hatred towards present, that one and the, the i sent you that they want to see present ad one gone. if you look at, in that sense, there's a, there's also a political idea or philosophy representation in church here that has come together and they will need image to this thing and openly. and they only image to say well and to achieve that, present ad one is only like the president. now if you're acting in the same way,

then i have the rights to ask the question, are you working together? ok, let's go back to check interest of relations with an in case question. in case the searching like glitch, several, the is elected into the presidential office. how could be the relationship between russian true to effect is could we expect equals relations with russia if crush started on the wind slowly my vehicle is that all of mr. calisto is not going to be a president. so i don't see the relevance of even giving default of what he will do or will not do in the individual sense. but if he wants to know how he sees it to the kid, i'll show relations or international relations, you will have to ask him. i cannot speak on his behalf, and you'll notice interview, you have stated that your kids, nato countries, to continue talks with both sporting parties in ukraine realtor to you continued to play this role and is there any chance the country will extend the greenville? if you want to call the shuttle take silver, so this is not the kenworth calisto,

but this is about united states policy. and that's a political part of policy. maybe you will have an answer for this is this i can analyze for you in the political sense and political and wonderful to go. you. like i said, i don't believe that the, the position parties or the opposition book, or in that sense, mr. coach that it will be like president. however, if you ask me if we have a, how we are going to look at the situation, it's clear we are in the position where we're saying there was a boy in the ukraine. and this is an unprovoked attack by russia to would you crate? i'm not going to go into details about how we are living since more than a year now and degree. and we have very clear stands on it. and i'll present has made it very clear that he wants to see association of, of violence very soon and very quickly. but also there's realities on the ground.

for example, greens, you, this is something that as an add on personally, what's uh, working together with president putin on other international organizations has brought about. and we're taking it very seriously that it's that the brain and the food that is produced in the ukraine is being shipped and transported to the world because people are in need of, of, of this food. so this is different chapters that we looked at have to look into about, like i said, i don't. busy what mr to we started was planning to do um, or what their, what his parties planning to do or what their coal parties in the alliance are going to do. because i've seen that also, they contradict each other different for them policy experts or for them policy representatives within different parties in the party and the c h, b, and the airlines right now with the edge to be there's a lot of different views on what they can do, will do or would do so. i don't know how they will look at it,

but our stand is clear. ok. some people ensure to express their fears that if mr. anton goes to elections, he will refuse to hand over power. what is your take on this while the people who are saying this or trying to portray a picture in this, that they don't know the president's didn't know his track record, didn't know how he has been constantly since more than 40 years been active in democratic political environment and how he has been elected to after election of the election and to into office. and he has and we are very clear on this. we are here in the democratic sense. we have always said as our party and the president has always said that the people decided to buy the books, the turkish states government is decided by the people at the both books. it's not decided even any laboratory or by military coups or interferes from outside the turkish people besides the ballad books. and we believe that on the 14th they will

re elect our president. and so a, i think there is no need to look into and, unsubstantiated the ideas if you will, or allegations and towards the present in the sense. and we are very clear under the democratic process intricate, and we are always working. we have always worked since one year, so increased the democratic participation of the people. and so i think i've track record speaks for itself. i would ask who, who do you think would win to presidential election? but you already said that you believe that the president at dawn will win again. but why do you think so? well, if, if you look into what's the political opponents of a prism to add on and our party. so our particular point of putting forwards and bringing that to the people's attention, i don't believe that the people will support this because i believe it's not in the interest of to, to i don't believe it's in the interest of the people. and i don't believe that

they will be able to persuade the people to support them. now, of course, they are made out of $78.00 different political parties and trip isn't stations of students in particular views. so the, there is a big $78.00 block or one side, and there is like 40 and the image p together with also a different, smaller parties against a big wire, 80 of, of different particular presentations them. but the starting point of the opposition or missing could we? so it was campaign is that's as he is running for office as president, and that he will have 7 deputy presents. now if you go into the street and ask a shopkeeper or somebody who isn't in business, how do you expect to uh, if you have a company, how do you run your company? would you have 7 different co owners or general managers?

everybody will say to you will look, this is not how you run a business. this isn't the business side that we're talking about running the government of a country. so i don't believe that the people will. we will accept in any way that one, president, 7 deputy presidents will have to sit down, make a decision for some people. takes this as a meeting and a common sense meeting in a common sense as being your ideas together. you will not be there's, there's ideas as political philosophy and then there's the realities of running a government. you cannot sit down and have 78 heads of one issue. so you can have a cabinets where there is one head of the cabins. president prime minister, you have a discussions with your, with your ministers as the government. ok, then you take a decision, but you cannot have 7 heads. this that the different series that they have 7 to 8 heading fingers. this is the hard part of it. none. i mean, they have made

a declaration when they made it came together and decided to run as one alliance with different party heads. and everybody's saying something else. they cannot even agree on the fact. if the p k, k is a terrorist organization or not. i mean just recently, one of the candidates, unfortunately, who we see deviating from his past. he was administered in a, in our cabinets as well. uh, i searched with him also and cabinets. but he mentioned the federal tourist organization in a very different sense. they're saying it's, it's some kind of slip up in the tongue, but i don't believe it is because you can slip up once, but both white twice. so in the back of their head there's a different method shoot. and also on the p k. k. terrace organization. which we're seeing very plainly and there is a member of the federal lines or a supportive number of to the lines, which is not able to say that the p k. k is a test organization. and they're talking about the security of our people. how the

wants to bring about the security, or how are you going to protect your people? if you cannot even agree on a terrorist organization that is unfortunately responsible for $140000.00 pets, of your own citizens. the, the, the other way not. right? it says the brother printer was up at the moment, this was something good just so basically of course we need the last name was needed read it was can when we used

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