smell, 1st of all, i'm curious. do you think of yourself as a lawyer who according to mark twain needs to know the law or a clever one who relies on his personal connections to help use cases and given the stays of the american justice system. which strategy do you think is most efficient? as a practical matter, i, the mark twain is right. if your client is a politically connected or privileged individual, if your client mo, almost all my clients are under dogs and outside are so consequent still federal judge to trump, in the way presided over the trial. and despite all of that, they still couldn't find him guilty of the main accusation against him. so i think trump's people will take that as the only victory they could get, but it shows how bad our legal system is. the district of columbia, jerry, polls have proven that in a range of cases. and now new yorks, jerry polls are proving the same thing. trying a person that trumps notoriety in the jurisdiction that has

a bunch of people that hate and makes no sense. i may call, but one of the jurors was a democrat, a registered democrat in new york city. that was a place that voted 90 percent against trump. that's not a place that could be impartial. it is, you know, the case was a crazy case. i see it was someone who had no witnesses to vouch for it. no independent evidence didn't come forward for decades later hated trump. every witness in our trial either hated trump or was paid by the plaintiff's lawyers. the whole case was paid for by a big tech guy who hates trump. so it's just the last there on steroids, which america is used to seeing in other parts of the world. they're not as a custom to sing it in america that mr. barnes, this is not the 1st the sexual scandal that trump has been associated with. our viewers may recall the electorate, golden showers in moscow described in now will be discredited and quickly forgotten . still dose here. that didn't seem to affect a trump the reputation, much as yeah,

these allegations keep are resurfacing. if they're politically motivated, as you have suggested before. why do you think trumps opponents keep pressing the same rusty lever when it's clearly doesn't deliver? because the american legal establishment political establishment, the political class as a whole, is used to the american public, accepting the results of judges and juries. so they figure if a judge says that if a jury says that, that will get americans to reject that person and accept whatever the judge and jury says, what's happened over the trump era is that americans have quit, trusting even our judges and entrusting even our jury just as they no longer trust our experts, they no longer trust our media. they no longer trust anybody in a position of authority because they keep lying to them and they catch them lying to them. especially when it comes the truck, they don't believe anything. they trump supporters, don't believe the accusations against them because they're, as you noted with russia, gates there been so many false accusations made against drop. yeah. what's interesting about the russian gate, i mean, uh, you know, the,

that's the case. so that those here, usually damage, not only the relationship between our 2 countries, but it's on the mind global politics a great deal. i mean, that's one of the reasons we are on the bring of a nuclear warner right now. but you know, our 2 countries, and yet i don't remember anyone being prosecuted or convicted for authorized falls codes, that content are contained in that oh indeed. in fact, the one lawyer who was prosecuted was given a sweetheart deal. he never served today in jail. his law license was reinstated a year later. i mean in this is someone who did lied to the highest well to one of the highest cords in the land. the forward intelligence surveillance activity court to allow mass mine to occur to allow a mass deception to occur. so it's our entire legal system has always had issues, but it's just coming to the bear and coming to the forefront as people witness it in live time. when it concerns trump. almost all the charges against trump are so

overly and openly and brazenly political and partisan that nobody trusts them. and even there's no better example that the fact they're scared to bring a case against trump, any jurisdiction that has conservatives. they only look at the district of columbia or the city of atlanta or the city of new york. so they won't look at bringing the case with trump tone jury pool because they know that trump's own variable won't accept it as being true. and it's because it's not true typically. now let's talk about the treatment of the other side. and one revelation the surface recent fee and the wall street journal is how many american power players continued to meet with convicted sex offender. and peter file, jeffrey, up soon after his conviction, including people like the courtesy i, a director william burns, who at that time was serving as deputy deputy secretary of state. and he had a meeting scheduled with asked him convicted sex offender in athens own private

mission. and the same goes for obama presidential advisor or for, you know, a college president. what does it say to you about the informal ways of power and the implants in america? as well as the post world war, 2 era, the american sort of deep state as it came to be known, are called, or people. some people called the national security establishment of the military industrial complex, really kind of entrenched its power across the media as a spectrum across the university spectrum across our corporate institutions across our global institutions. as robert kennedy junior just said, as we, he's running for president the attributes to the c i a and those act bad actors, the assassination of both his father and his uncle, president john kennedy. and part of all that goes back to always having honey traps having being involved in sex trafficking, operations being involved in various kind of elicit operations around the world, to blackmail and extort targeted individuals in jeffrey epstein. and not

coincidentally, it was connected to robert maxwell, the british publisher, who had connections to intelligence operations all around the globe. he came from an adult in school, the adult wearing 5 guys 1st break the adult in school, secretary of state anthony blake, and went to that same dalton school william bars. the attorney general former attorney general's father was the head master right before epstein was hired at the adult school. so you have a lead prep school tie and you go deeper. there's tides between boy gibbs father and epstein. so it's not a surprise. epstein was, i believe, the center piece of kind of a honey trap extortion operation, blackmail operation for intelligence agencies around the world. he had ties to robert miller use it. the reason why you get a sweet are deal is will most likely use a secret environment for the end of the aisle to robert molar. this goes back, robert miller has ties to other people that did that operation. similar to that, out of san francisco, the people can look up. so it's not a surprise,

it's just an under belly, american, and global institutional power. we don't often get to see and live terms. and i think that's just coming to do, i understand you correctly. my hearing you correctly that you believe that all these parties that epstein was involved in organizing, involving teenage girls or very young women. you believe that it was not only for the sexual gratification of, of their participants, but possibly a schema means for co opting for further control. oh no, no, no. the classic blackboard looks doors in ring that it's not about providing the list of services to an elite group of people who otherwise can't find the easily the access to those that at least elicit activity. but it's also to black bellnick stuart them i'm, it gives a coincidence. i think some of the efforts failed. i think like the effort to a, to get material on say it out. and durst was didn't ultimately work out because he didn't take the bait but nor i, nor do i think no chomsky who apparently met multiple times with him. i don't think

he took debate on any of that, but most likely because he was also involved in eugenics and involved in a lot of weird science that you know epstein. but i think the long term goal and objective in each one of these cases was to entrap it and snare these people in the world that could then be used against them. the, according to the various reports, there are lots of video cameras all over epstein island and presently we just don't know whatever happened to all of that material. but all of it has the finger forensic fingerprints of a black male operation involving western intelligence agency. now i don't know if it's accurate, but a rest on where that comes resort the morrow longer was absolutely a off limits for f f students parties. and if that, to that, i think that's the reason is a very interesting question about morality because it's one thing to, you know, pursue adult women, even as the extramarital affair i'm, it's quite a different matter to, you know, by the bodies of the average,

the souls of teenage girls. what do you think about that? oh yeah. so to early on, uh, epstein was reported as harassing some young women at moore awhile ago, so trump banned him from our logo. and you can find some old interviews where he kept his ending at epstein is issues there's, i think a vanity fair piece that was very favorable. epstein where trump keeps saying, well, he has a reputation for very young girls, worries trying to put out there what's going on. so the, i think so trump was they tried to connect trump to epstein. ultimately it was unsuccessful because cup is one of the few people that kept his distance from epstein over many years. once he found out what he was about. so the but if they reflects the sad nature of our intel system, but the trump has to be one of the highest integrity people on the planet. because to be in new york real estate hiking tight and all they can find on you is some affair. so this is um, no, just fascinating but i mean, it's totally,

it's hard to understand for somebody like like myself, how you know, the, the democrats, with the vaccine pat politic about, you know, all the crimes on all the more, oh, you know, character all of trans while, you know, seemingly knowing about things that are going on within the own camp, i mean, it's just, it's being the young comprehension. it's, i call a confession to your projections. so you look at all the crimes they accuse trump of, and it's pretty much what the bite and family has done so like they accuse trouble being engaged with various for incorruption scams. and now it's coming out that the biden family was taking money from almost anybody around the world to line their pockets by them, you know, the, by the democratic use trump of various sexual misconduct. there's all kinds of allegations circulating, bite and concerning that in concerning, far worse misconduct. and so i think what you see is a lot of confession through project and what they accuse trump of is what they themselves are guilty of. or perhaps even more as well. mr. barnes,

we have to take a short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments station. the what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation, let it be an arms race is on all sides. very dramatic, the only personally i'm going to resist, i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very unclear to get a time time to sit down and talk

the welcome back to was a part of this, robert barnes and the american constitutional lawyer. mr. barnes going back to the store mcdaniels case. you've been privy vocal that donald trump's indictment is

very weak on both legal and factual grounds. in fact, it doesn't even mention what federal law trump supposedly violated. um, yes, it was brought involved in a very forceful, very conspicuous way in the pre election years. so i assume people who are behind it. i'm really confident about what they're doing. how do you understand their rationale as a lawyer? i mean, i think the rationale is, is power is there is an appeal to power rather than appeal to principle. so the new york district attorney's office knows that his office has a lot of power. the new york judges tend to be very differential to the new york district attorney's office, and the new york appeals courts have been very hostile to trump individually. he's got a jury pool that pretty much dissipate, despises. trump voted against them, 90 to 10. as a, you know, about 80 percent of them have a very unfavorable view of trump. so i think that's what he's betting on. now, trump remove the case from state court to federal court. and he's asking united

states federal district court to take control over the case if that happens, that throws a big wrench into the state prosecutor. because all of a sudden it's a different jury polled different judicial, different appeals process and in all of its unparalleled and unprecedented american legal history. but they're willing to break all the norms to go after trump. do you think the justice or judicial, uh, branch is independent enough or invested enough in its independence said to go buy the book rather than political considerations because it's one thing, whatever they think about trump. uh they, they, they certainly must have some, you know, loyalty to that own profession and to the law as such that they should, but not often in the city in new york. and my experience. i mean, i represented a cooper, the so called central park karen in new york. and my experience with the system is that it's very political. in fact, new york is probably one of the most political jurisdictions in the country other than the district of columbia. they're probably the 2 most political jurisdictions

where you have a lot of jury's judges prosecutor's lawyers. too many that just don't care about the rule of law. they care about how it looks politically in the quarter public opinion. and so i think that's the risk trump faces. i don't think you didn't get a fair trial from a state court in manhattan. i think they should either remove it either the federal court should take the case or you should remove it to staten island, and then i think you could get a fair jury. i heard you say in another interview that even if a trump have page storm mcdaniels through his campaign coffers, that constitutionally protected under us law was the point of channeling money and this way then it is there it's, it's basically for saving yourself from political embarrassment. but you know, we do gag orders every day in america and settlements in a ride range of cases, entirely constitutional and legal. and then from a campaign perspective, you're allowed, if you're spending your own money, you're allowed to do whatever you want. and there's many people who believe it,

even if it, that the mere fact that it's an indirect benefit on the campaign is not enough to make it a campaign donation. this came up in the john edwards case. it would have been litigated up on the court of appeals, but they couldn't secure convictions in the john edwards case. in the john edwards case, you had a presidential candidate who somebody else was paying off his mistress. here you have trump paying off of the legs, mistress? well, that's entirely under the us constitution under the 1st amendment. no campaign lock and limit what you spend on your own behalf. and so that's why as a constitutionally protected right, to do whatever you want. that's why they're going through some procedural shenanigans to try to escape because to do some restrictions on their charges. mister barnes campaigns and nations and billings have been used by previous democratic administrations and they're pretty legs a fair way. it's no secret here in ross or the prior to this huge fallout between moscow and washington and number of russian banks and steve connected enterprises,

made contributions to the clinton foundation. i think that it was also raised as a concern. then the cables were released by we could, leaks. why do you think the this issue of campaign financing is only becoming an issue now? they're basically looking at hyper technical ways to go after them. and it is a case, a confession through projection because they look at the crimes they committed and try to accuse trump of them. and this is, that's a pattern going all the way back. because hillary clinics, you did commit this crime in 2016, she procured the so called russia gate dosa through lows, laundered as a kid that was not listed as a campaign expand so as low it was listed as a legal expense at the perkins co law firm and, and so that she could hide her fingerprints in it. that ended up in a federal court record because there was a separate ation of perjury installs affidavit submitted to a federal court saying that it was not a campaign part of the process. so that's an example of a real campaign crime. and instead of prosecuting hillary clinton,

they just accused trump of something gets us on a much smaller scale than what hillary clinton actually did right there in the city in new york. uh now uh, as has recently immersed brock obama also may have benefit from some very questionable donations uh which compared to um, elijah payoff to storm mcdaniels uh seems to be far more. well, uh from speaker is because uh, in the case of trump he's uh, accused of using his own money. but the indication for bottom of the talk is about some shade if i'm in finance here from god knows where do you think given a bomb as venerated status among the liberals? do you think that case will be given a go? and i don't think there's any chance of that other brock obama or hillary clinton will ever face the same degree of scrutiny or criminal prosecution that trump is done. the trump's true crime has been to be an independent disciplined voice on

american foreign policy. and that almost every president who is ever voice that the most prominent one being john kennedy, has faced the hardest consequences from sort of the deep state apparatus. all of trumps charges have that fingerprint on it. and there's no better example of that in the disparate treatment. brock obama committed real campaign crimes. they'll be no prosecution. hillary clinton committed real campaign crimes. they'll be no prosecution bite has been committing crime for 40 years. and as a whole family, they'll be no prosecution. spell speaking about vital assembly. uh you alluded to them before and it's well known in this part of the world of his song trading their, their dad is president. all of a sudden he's is his fatigue that they don't have an easy replacement if they were conscientious, they would embrace robert kennedy's campaign. but they despised robert galleries campaign, the democratic party establishment, much as they did his father. so consequently, they're stuck with this a corrupt idiot and the white house. now, mister barnes,

going back to your point that the democrats favor its way of operating his confession through projection. as a student of collective psychology, i think it's always been a that's way with the with americans. so you just like, projecting your shadow on to other nations or a group of people. but i think it was never as blonde and primitive as it is right now. there was a degree of sophistication and even elegance in the previous political scans. like, let's say, what are gave. why do you think it's becoming so cruel? it's the degradation of our lee, so that we've gone from kissinger types those moral compass. it was probably always broken, but at least was intellectually competent and capable. now we have the same lack of a moral, pompous but people whose intellect is severely damaged. is how many people are 34 generations of upper middle class privilege backgrounds. they grow up in safe space

as well as kids. they don't serve in the military, they don't serve in law enforcement. them little connection to those who do, they don't know the working class and the working populations of the country. and so they're, they're there, but they're a lot like the british colonial leads of the early 19th century, late the early 20th century, late 19th century where they're just decaying. that they're part of an apparatus that the just needs itself and is parasitic towards its own population. now finally, i know the view one, almost half a 1000000 of yours. after betting on trump to win the 2016 elections. are you placing any that's for 2024? 0 yeah, so the, i mean i, my bet would be on trump again. de santis will not be a meaningful challenger to them in the primaries. i think all these indictment and lost their efforts will only strengthen him constitutionally they can't prohibit him from being on the ballot. i think that there's a lot of the supporters that every time they see an attack on them, they see even more reason to support them. they're like, well,

we're clearly we're right. we're right that he's going to challenge the system or right is gonna be better. the 2nd time around or otherwise the whole system wouldn't be trying to take him out. i will allow that him to govern properly because uh, the last time she one here struggled great deal. that's going to be the most interesting aspect because it's a lot like 1968 where the, you know, if robert kennedy one, what was the system going to do, given that he planned on implementing the rest of his brothers agenda and going in a very dramatic direction, hopefully we don't see that outcome here, but the, the, but that's where kennedy's challenge to trump also, i mean, to abide and also present options there. kind of each other's so security of a sort, the better kennedy does, that helps trump and vice versa. and so i think the, uh, yeah, i don't know how the systems gonna react, that. i mean, the all efforts to take out trumpet failed. what happens if trump is the one that takes you now you're ation. what do they do next? if they're smart, they're looking at where they can go and there's no extradition. mr. barnes,

we have to leave it here. thank you very much for the fascinating conversation. thank you very much and thank you for watching hope to see her again. on the was a part of the the boss can do, i just need to get them with key at the washington state,

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