the sheet that was here from last year, it is our, the us international relations exercise to lie to 2 stories to justify just donation up to what we get, that's or so in total that's a rep on the hour and coming up nato's approach. so you frame seems full of contradictions. one of them being the alliance is claimed, they're not part of the conflict, will have them supported to have militarily, since 2014, dive into the discussion next on process. take both the, [000:00:00;00]

the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered. i'm peter live out . they chose approach towards you. credit is full of contradictions. we are told a win for russia is a defeat for the west. but ukraine is not a member of the military alliance were told, nato is not part of the complex, but it is been supporting kevin with hurley since 2014. nato says he wants russian

to be defeated. but it says nothing about piece, the price talking nato's illusions. i'm joined by my guess, carl and nixon in washington. he's a political analyst and weird thing. we have anthony webber x p as an independent political commentator. and in london we crossed to the income. my 10 day he is a visiting lecturer at the law school of the university of westminster or a gentleman comstock rolls. the fact that means he can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate, let's go to the ink and in london 1st here i'm, you know, i'm in my introduction. you know that, that the last sentence, i talk about the word piece. this is something that we were watching this conflict in ukraine. nato never wanting to do it. mentions of word piece doesn't want to strive for peace. it wants a defeat of one country, and that is russia here. that is a fundamental flaw of the strategy that nato has. nato doesn't think about security

. it doesn't think geo politically, it thinks ideologically in a neo liberal way. and this is why it's turned in such a into such a, a mess for the, for the continent and the consequences are far, far reaching. the military conflict in ukraine will come to an end one day with the implications and the implications of what nato is done will be with us for a very long time. go ahead and london as well. yes, i think uh, this has been printed in uh, my uh, writings and comments resolved on the matter. i think it's clear that it's a, you know, nate's always obviously at extension of us for employees and us foreign policy in the sense it's been infiltrated by those who profess the to be part of this neil, conservative ideology. i think it does not seem that's um the idea of uh, diplomacy comes into the vocabulary. i think they,

they perceive the world as being a way that all costs a rena. and that's, it's one in which people must be subdued. there's absolutely no room for discussion and that's why we have this of a flu charged decades long a policy of a full made saving culverts are those that was include made to that imposing the resume of sanctions on, on different nation states. and i think it's, that's very sad because it's, it provides a very unfortunate impediments in terms of etc, a mutual security and co existence pearl. and we get all the freedom of trade and to provide leg. yeah. it's, it's everything, garland, i mean, it was, it was codified in the mid seventies with the helsinki process, a be indivisibility of security. meaning everybody, you can, you can aggregate security towards yourself at the expense of another state. and so

that's where we have the term indivisibility of security, and they went along with it. it worked to death at the height of the cold war. that is, as we heard from our guest in london, you know, even considering that, considering the term diplomacy, negotiation means compromise. and compromise is a dirty word for these people. garland in washington. yes, because what we're looking at is a, a group of individuals who talk about a u. s. lead times. they mentioned it as the us led war uh, order. and other times they refer to it as the rules based international order. but it simply means usaa gemini, and the contradiction we have now is that the, the us empire has to talk to the world with a cover story of a, you know, a width of, of, of, of acting in the best interest of all of trying to maintain an order that's in the best interest of all. however, this a so called order has to be imposed on the world. you inc,

using course it means so with this order must be input votes on the, on the world. and it's, it's clear that by it's very nature, egress of and, and course of nature. and that's what going on right now. and the, the, the, the allies or baffles already, colonies of the us empire paying the price there being sacrifice. so they all through this world where they have their sacrificing, they are very good friends, the and, and, and their scan regard for ukrainians. that's what's really ironic about anthony what, what, what is very interesting as well as the nato says, constantly, and there was an interview with felton bern more with the washington post. a few days ago, natal doesn't want to escalate, but that's all they told does, is escalate, you know, at one point, you know, a certain kind of tanks were, were not allowed. now they're, they're now these long range missiles primarily come him in the u. k. in the us, almost always a most likely follow the u. k. 's lead here. they constantly escalate,

though they claim that they do not want to do that. again, the nato is are well in, in nature. go ahead and where they to, yes, i agree. or what do you say is there any thoughts and best way no successful for. ready pace in fact, right, right for a year ago, but i was johnson when drive it's a the crime. i've just drop us the uh, funding based stale for trading the crate. i'm not sure. i'm, since i'm hundreds of thousands of pounds or casualties. a baby many might be cold, the spring more like a uh of a whole. are you trying to cook because of the continued comforts and the supply of this heavy wiper rate is actually the assessor because to stop where we were told in the u. k. r. will these was we were giving a variety defense pop in 5 over the summer, the way the way from really waste our age,

killed and injured the civilians in the east and he cried. major cool! saw fight to to the composite prussia, i say what, what is it missing? it will lift the ac, is that the nice side countries are not actually in the best interests are, but my name is um united kingdom government, which i started this policy is innovating. ready the cry and comfort to die well has got absolutely no mandate from his tablet to to tell you that. so. ready to say and data speed, amazing time age strong to the but you should call them 8 on the debates about the u. k. government. so you're kind of russian policies and it's excessive. we were talking about disclosed mother tree age site

paul of well as a 5 by the but we don't know what the on disgraced saturdays, but we will see need to look at. so what is the damage to you? k farm policy by means of asian you crying because we seen the reducing fridge, which is issac king them is guessing in the well, because of this pa. ready say, and we've seen that, but it's forced russia to become more close to are totally destroyed under cause we have to look how it was. oh um. what have they adults in common with the crime because they were told by the defending sycold of all these all democratic values. but we, we know they've shut down opposition policies. i shot down opposition media and i've even shopped on the off of the church. well, i and anthony on top of it,

it looks like they're going to cancel the next round of elections in the country. okay. you know, western values here. yeah. a, let's go back to under the inca in, in london. i, you know, one of the things that prep products is me so much here is a, how is this really, in fact helping ukraine. you have millions and millions of people of fled the country. the country is g, d p is in a free fall, industrial capacity is almost 0 and they're, they're basically a welfare state or a, a client state of the west right now, i can see how this great effort to save you. crane is actually doing anything for the ukrainian people. and again, like i said already in this program, this conflict will in one day, but what will be left of the country? go ahead in london as well. most likely uh when craig is going to be uh, dispatched, but um, it's obviously clear of its uh, the interest of the ukrainian people. i know how to parts of finding out how that

how by the, the american, the lions. it's not so hell. a called by the ukranian at least themselves to plunder and pills. uh, uh, from the economy. that was the modus operandi. right. so i'm just right from the beginning. it's always had an issue with corruption. i certainly off the 2014 to the top, rather than the resolution of dignity. it wasn't true. they taught you had the, you know, the victory was always predictive. but the american, the, all of the counselors and the corporate power would infiltrate ukraine. to give you a shock treatments and exploit that culture. so we know, right, sorry, not with standing. the world that was happening in the dumbass. you have a situation where ukraine's been calling me has been totally, you know,

has been considered really degraded and salty pride. despite this suppose idea that you pre wants to become more open, more modern, more west. and it's actually this actually regrets the nice thing, this particular phase of the call because it is a phase, it then starts in february of 19 a. so 2022 it's. it's been an ongoing hybrid or weaver milli trees. i mention with an economic dime making sure that means informational, diamond, sure. and both, fortunately, each of these strands have no counts you crate out by really, so really affecting to intimidate russia, put in the minds to the dots. surely, of russia, you're not doing any favorites to that country. we're using a for that role. similarly, when he comes to a, the economics solving is all about beginning about plunder as one development of

both states. this new phase of a special village operation of the russian intervention as being the introduction of the likes of black rock and roll. but essentially only be the where we're going to go to our break gentlemen. but i think hunter biden was the, you know, he was a, he let the path you know, he created, he was a play trailblazer for all of this here. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on nato's illusions and stay with our to the russian states. never as one of the most sense key and the best most i'll send send up the consumer

must be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on the rush of funding and supports the r t spoke neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube. the said this was even twist, which is the a hi, i'm receptionist and i'm here to plan with you. whatever you do, do not watch my new show. seriously. why watch something that's so different whitelisted opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please,

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the the welcome back. the prospect for all things are considered on peter in the mail. to remind you, we're discussing nato is the illusions the ok. let's go back to garland and watch it and see if there's only if there's a silver lining in all of this. garland, this really dreadful situation is that nato has taken it upon itself to say this is ex, suspension. so it's to be or not to be. well, i'll take those odds. ok. i mean, if it's all in on ukraine, that's what going to make or break you, nato. i'll take that best. ok. and it, and they made this craving choice. we didn't have to do it okay. with ukraine is of no strategic value whatsoever to the european union at all. okay. but they made it that way. so game on garland as well,

what you but i just identified is that the, the, the, the security, the necessities and needs of the european union do not align with the us empire who are their political and you know, economic masters. so we have a contradiction between the leaders and those that are led. certainly to be quite frank, it's obvious that russia's security needs aligns quite well with the european security needs. they have a border, they have trade, etc. the united states looks at it from a geo political perspective. how does the maintain power over both europe and russia? so part of the dynamic guy here, unfortunately, to the european union a can't and won't address, is that part of what the us empire is doing is, is to putting, is to ensure that you are in a position where they can't challenge the us on the world. stage economically, and they can't push back either diplomatically or politically they have to do with

their told even though it's not in their best interest. and to me that's to be dynamic as, as is exposed by the north stream. it would seem bombing, yeah, yeah, which, you know, they, they, they couldn't find it in the united states. they can find pensioners with walkers and a wheelchair that were close to the capital on january 6th. but they don't know who blow up the north stream pipelines. i think that's kind of interesting here. anthony chang saying with it was something the garland had to say. what i think is really remarkable, that if you look at public opinion across the western world, this is this war in ukraine is an elite project. this is not a popular thing, i mean the media can, can, and parents and the powers that be all they want. but you know, they go to great lengths, the sensor, r t and other opposition and independent voices. it's not a popular face as an elite agenda and you can see it in germany. okay. you have, i don't need a better box. i don't care what my voters say,

this is an elite agenda. go ahead in where they. all right, well, um, unfortunately, uh right, sorry, resolves even represented serious i members and um, uh by a very interesting thing. probably not slide down the boss we, we have got a problem where debate is vegas shop down. and if we had any device or tool, uh it was very or, well, the argument small sir, i have uh, 4 nights i'd say to be involved in the crane. uh sorry. so it is a very sort of side situation. uh, the u. k prime industry just side, but he wants to be involved in the reconstruction of the ukraine, and that's a shaming and i will be something sold. are you trying to reconstruct all sort of time this card because it's already estimated that the cost of rebuilding a range of a certain number from $50000000000.00. and i have these all say, expect saying the guy talks about as we get involved right?

not, but because of course, the u. k. tax fast have software to i run the city because we would have all public sites that strikes result by now. it for money is being spent on putting people a raise more wage in the side. they have uh, spending money on move on growing in ukraine and we've had a huge affects like the rise of interest rates are all 4 percent since the government decided on the policies on your credit. ready russia, we've had a run just rising prices are of a 5. so energy costs which will continue to was a problem with these opinions publish. ready mentioned is they all thought said so if we actually had to write john, so is direct questions. the,

the opinions were big a lot of games, the u. k. they involved on and all the rest of the year thing countries. but the problem is, all of these countries are not actually in the interest of the citizens that might give assistance pool. so support this war effort. and some strange, this cannot continue at some stage of the citizens are going to say enough is enough. where where, where find out and uh while anthony i'm, i'm a little more i'm may of more pessimistic on that because we saw what they did with cove with that and in many ways that was a dry run. so what you can do to, to do the locking people down quite literally and then locking down to bait. let's go back to our guest in london. it's already been mentioned on this part of the i think it's very interesting and they talk about reconstruction and no negotiation and all that. well, i mean, they always forget the other side of the equation is rushes interest. and so,

since nato will, it will not recognize in russia has any security interest whatsoever. and it's been in europe and leaders have been challenged about this. what about russia? russia has no interest either during this conflict. then ukraine. well, that is a very, very dangerous thing. to say, because it gives the, the, the policy makers in the kremlin site, well, they weren't is going to do what weren't going to do, because there's nobody to talk to see. this whole approach is, is so a dangerous for, for a piece on the continent. and, and maybe whitening the war. but if you're not going to willing negotiating and get a talk, then the company is gonna end when russia says it's over. go ahead in london. yes, i think uh, it's already been reviewed. it says it's the, the european leaders of action and the interest of the people to this refusal by the us of the west not to recognize russia's interests more as

a so facia lead motivated, massive, but something that is more all in compasses that involves your swell right, um, it's very sad and unfortunate. i think the basis of a security architecture in europe was missed in the need. it altima softly and do not be onto logical cold war. but that's a kind of the more realistic temper that would be to recognize mutual, economic and security interests, and not to play this game. this power, this power came off trying to subjugate a power such as russia, which really is going to be assigned to this thing. and it's something that, but it is obviously a, it's ultimate conclusion, would be a doomsday scenario. one hopes that it may seem like this was something not a apparent and therefore rising

o realistic in the rising. but what really need is here to break the spend is about being a european leaders of a strong the fiber who can actually present the case as they did perform a time in history that they recognize rushes legitimate interest. whether it was a soviet stage or post soviet states that had multiple retreat. and there's nobody in the euro sceptic jeremy, for with that phrase. and that's a methodology originates from these nobody whose personal ties in that. that's that you need to guarantee every body's a security interest using was states against another is simply not the states, the states crow. it's actually very, very. yeah, well what, what is what has happened here is garland, what we heard from, i guess in london is spot on is that you have this with the nato expansion to the

east. it's is great, it's center of gravity has moved east as well. so you have countries like poland and you have the baltic republics. they're the ones that are tilting the scales more. we the old europe, you know, germany and france, you know, where they can get. this is where your p and security was anchored. there been sidelines of allowed themselves to be silent. i mean, i don't call them chance or shields. i call them sergeant schultz. i mean, this guy that you know, he would need to think of them with a great chancellor as jeremy's had since the 2nd world war. this guy is a dwarf. i mean it's, it's incredible to watch these people denigrate their own political stability and disregard and holding contempt that are electorate go ahead. garland, yes, and what they don't realize uh, also is that this affects the view of your from the world, the one of the rehab. so what africa, the mid least latin america, most of the world is gravitating towards the russian. this conflict is not just because of the history of colonialism from the,

from the european powers. that's certainly a factor. but as the, the, the world leaders look at the effect listed as of the european leaders today. and they look at their vassal inches towards um, towards the united states. they have no respect for them. they, they have, they have gained over spectrum around the world. and traditional societies we're respect is very important, particularly for leaders. yeah. look at these people and some of the cultural craziness that they're trying to influence to, to enforce. and they say, we just don't want any parts of this will go with a more traditional society that at least has some, has some for some respect for itself. and who means what it says and says what it means of like other other than the, the european, vast ways, but just double talkers and spend and say what they're told by the, by the administration. yeah, anthony. i mean, i'm glad this has brought up cars because it's a something that i've been watching very closely. and this is a says,

a societal conflict as a set of civilization. all the rest of it represents a civilization that is antithetical in the minds of the people in the west. and, and this is one of the reasons why they despise russia is a conservative place. go ahead, anthony. i think more more people in the united kingdom and west in europe, realizing bread so might be russia, has more bodies and chatting with people is the thoughts about that? and i told by the government, so to close, i sure is a democratic country, a kitchen country, which was a, uh like the united kingdom it sense of the face. uh so um i think of some sage height free people wake up and realize that the bank tied to a loss of propaganda. but we have to look at this reputation issue because the reputation of value to the america and the united kingdom went down not one

that was of great, but trial of 26000000 ice guns when they did the cycle deal with the projectile with the child and yet, but it pays to base or they could have got involved with the crying. now i have to jump in here gentlemen, we've run out of time. we've had a fascinating discussion. i want to thank my guest in washington where they and in london. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c a next time. and remember across the rules, the hi, i'm accepted and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new show

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