a is good approach is needs a lot of modification on the start, what we've got a bit minute left midland, do you think that the launch of the c i r system could provoke a block market boom to avoid government control? now i will use dr. dukes and eventually uh, you know, it'd be a great, uh, great set to stop this more by the time. because this a disconnect the piece from steam will buy it for us and they don't do any of the pricing of the story and will last 4 by 4 as well. so just to say that i said that the system isn't going to use language and most of the people of maybe in the summer would be the sun. somebody would be the in the. so if you have 10 to 40, then that i or 2 different kind of, then we're going to the board it. so there is no such show hardy's boldest event to approach the website and the last, the company and the this, this is the something which vehicle is needed. and i, i would support this to be implemented in the entire country because of the detection to the wife. one is also a very challenging thing. so there's

a lot of the people who go on the phones with j, b, i n, e, a number. so with this system, you're going to stop there by attempt dislike after that, and i was an android wall majority of the force which i started not an great even the to use our validator app is robust policy. you then, i, you, as far as these are the award c ios devices throughout this, do months, updates and they can get the cart. so it is a great thing. i need 3 different take. i found the bible and take them to the, to the market. i believe it's the use of such google buyers and then what is it important be, invest of the guns. you must, by making them aware of the information needed to be doing well by once we will see the ramifications whether or not it is a success. but for now, just by thank you so much for coming on the program. we've been speaking to indian scientists, midland raj on tech. no legal, expert v j sort down. i think i a thank you. okay, before we go,

some breaking news to make you aware of a critical crucial thing or really a logging ukraine to safely export rain via the block c has not been expended for another 3 months at thanks to turn. key is engagement. that wasn't nines. this went state by president rigid type erd, one marketing, as i said, crucial step for global food security. and one of the main sticking points in the build up to this was whether or not food would get to those most in need, africa and asia. those countries at it appears to be the case that will happen, but we'll get more and not as the day on the photos but for now that's is our lot for. busy and then used to, but the going over in the course talk to do is they're just getting going see what peter level and guests are delving into today the

the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered. i'm peter live out . nature's approach towards you, credit is full of contradictions. we are told a win for russia is a defeat for the west, but ukraine is not a member of the military alliance were told, nato is not part of the complex, but it is been supporting kevin with hurley since 2014. nathan says he wants russia to be defeated,

but it says nothing about keys. the processing nato is illusions. i'm joined by my guess, carl and nixon in washington. he's a political analyst and where thing we have anthony web or d as an independent political commentator. and in london, we cross through the income my 10 day, he is a visiting lecturer at the law school of the university of westminster or a gentleman. crosstalk roles that affect that means he can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate, let's go to the ink and london 1st here. i'm, you know, i'm in my introduction. you on the last sentence, i talked about the word piece. this is something that we were watching this conflict in ukraine. nato never was. it mentions of word peace doesn't want to strive for peace. it wants a defeat of one country, and that is russia here, that is a fundamental flaw of the strategy. but nato has nato doesn't think about security . it doesn't thing deal politically. it thinks ideologically, in a neo liberal way,

and this is why it's turned in such into such a, a mess for the, for the continent and the consequences are far, far reaching. the military conflict in ukraine will come to an end one day with the implications and the implications of what nato has done will be with us for a very long time. go ahead and london as well. yes, i think uh, this has been printed in uh, my uh, writings and comments resolved on the matter. i think it's clear that it's a, you know, nate's always obviously at extension of us for employees and us foreign policy in the sense it's been infiltrated by those who profess the to be part of this neil, conservative ideology. i think it does not seem that's um the idea of uh, diplomacy comes into the vocabulary. i think they, they perceive the world as being a way that all costs a rena. and that's,

it's one in which people must be subdued based. absolutely no room for discussion and that's why we have this uh, a fully charged decades long a policy of a full made saving cobra to those that was include, maintain any posing the really most sanctions on, on different nation states. and i think it's, that's very fast because it's, it provides a very unfortunate impediments in terms of etc, a mutual security and co existence pearl and, you know, the freedom of trade and to provide leg. yeah. it's, it's everything, garland, i mean, it was, it was codified in the mid seventies with the helsinki process, a be indivisibility of security. meaning everybody, you can, you can aggregate security towards yourself at the expense of another state. and so that's where we have the term indivisibility of security,

and they went along with it. it worked to death at the height of the cold war. that is, as we heard from our guest in london, you know, even considering that, considering the term diplomacy, negotiation means compromise. and compromise is a dirty word for these people. garland in washington. yes, because what we're looking at is a, a group of individuals who talk about a us lead times. they mentioned it as the us led war uh, order. and other times they refer to it as the rules based international order. but it simply means usaa gemini, and the contradiction we have now is that the, the us empire has to talk to the world with a cover story of a, you know, a way of, of, of acting in the best interest of all of trying to maintain an order that's in the best interest of all. however, this a so called order has to be imposed on the world using using course it means so

with this order must be input posts on the, on the world. and it's, it's clear that by it's very nature, it is a gressick and, and course of nature. and that's what going on right now. and the, the, the, the allies or baffles or colonies of the us empire paying the price there being sacrifice. so they all through this world where they have their sacrificing, they are very good friends, the and, and, and their scan regard for ukrainians. that's what's really ironic about anthony what, what, what is very interesting as well as the nato says, constantly, and there was an interview with felton bern more with the washington post. a few days ago, natal doesn't want to escalate, but that's all they told does, is escalate, you know, at one point, you know, a certain kind of tanks were, were not allowed. now they're, they're now these long range missiles primarily come him in the u. k. in the us, almost always most likely follow the u. k is lead here, they constantly escalate, they'll, they claim that they do not want to do that again. then the nato is,

are well in, in nature, go ahead and where they to, yes. all agree or what do you say is there any thoughts and best rate no successful for. ready pace in fact, right. i put a year ago, but a strong some went drive. it's a the crime. i've just drop us the uh, pending based stale for trade and the crate. i'm not sure. i'm since i'm hundreds of thousands of casualties of baby money might be told this being more like a of a of a whole. are you trying to cook because of the continued comforts and the supply of this heavy wiper rate is actually the, the assessor because to stop where we were told in the u. k. r will these was we were getting ready to finish button 5 over the summer. the way the record rate

waves are killed and injured civilians in the east. and he cried. major cool saw parts. it's become positive. russia. i think what is missing? it will look the issue is that the nice side countries are not say in the best interests or by monday is on the logic king government, which has stopped if this policy is intervening. ready the crime coming for it to die well has got absolutely no mind a problem. i stop late to tell you that. so. ready to say and uh that is being amazing time age strong say the british economy, the debates about the u. k. government. so you're kind of russian policies and it's excessive. we're talking about disclosed mother tree age site, the fall of well uh 5 by the year. but we don't know what the on disgraced

a factor is, but we will see need to look at. so what is the damage to you? k farm policy by the minutes of aging. and you crying because we've seen the reducing fruits, which is isaac, king them is guessing in the wells are because of this pa. ready say, and we've seen that, but it's full structure to become more close to are totally destroyed under cause we have to look how it was. oh um. what have they adults in common with the crime because they, they told the defending sycold of all these all democratic values. but we, we know they've shut down opposition policies. i shot down opposition media and i've even shopped on the off of the church. well, i and anthony on top of it, it looks like they're going to cancel the next round of elections in the country.

okay. you know, western values here. yeah. a, let's go back to under the inca in, in london. i, you know, one of the things that prep products is me so much here is a, how is this really, in fact helping ukraine. you have millions and millions of people of fled the country. the country is g, d p is in a free fall, industrial capacity is almost 0 and they're, they're basically a welfare state or a, a client state of the west right now, i can see how this great effort to save you cream is actually doing anything for the ukrainian people and again, like i said already in this program, this conflict will in one day, but what will be left of the country? go ahead in london as well. most likely when trade is going to be uh, dispatched, but um, it's obviously clear of its uh, the interest of the ukrainian people i know kind of parts of finding out about how that how by the,

the american mega lions small. so how i called by the ukranian leads themselves to plunder and pills from the economy. that was the modus operandi right from this right from the beginning. it's always had an issue with corruption. i certainly off the 2014 a 2 day top. rather than the resolution of dignity, it wasn't true. they tell you, had the, you know, the, the victory was always predictive. but the american, the almost optimism and the corporate power would infiltrate ukraine to give you shop treatments and exploit that culture. so we know right, sign language standing, the well, that was happening in the dumbass. you have a situation where ukraine's been calling me has been totally, you know, has been considered really degraded and salty pride. despite this,

suppose idea that you pre wants to become more open, more modern, more west, and it's actually this actually regrets. the nice thing this uh, a particular phase of the call because it is a phase, it then stops in february of 19 of 2022. and so it's been an ongoing high grateful weaver. military's i've mentioned with an economic dine making sure that any information on the diamond should. and both, fortunately, each of the strands have no counts you crate out by merely solely affecting to intimidate russia, put in the minds to the dogs, surely of russia. you're not doing any favorites to that country, we're using a full that ro. similarly, when he comes to a, the economic solving is all about beginning about plunder as the one development of both states. this new phase of

a special miniature ration of the russian intervention as being the introduction of the likes of black rock and roll, but essentially only be the, well i, well, i'm going to go to our break gentlemen, but i think hunter biden was the, you know, he was a, he let the path you know, he created, he was a play, a trailblazer for all of this here. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on nato's illusions. stay with our to the,

the, to take a fresh look around as a life kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures, design to simplify will confuse really once a better wills. and is it just as a chosen few fractured images present? it is. but can you see through their illusion going underground again? the welcome back to the prospect for all things are considered non peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing nato is the illusions

the ok. let's go back to garland and watch it and see if there's only if there's a silver lining in all of this. garland, this really dreadful situation is that nato has taken it upon itself to say this is ex, suspension. so it's to be or not to be, well, all take those odds. ok. i mean, if it's all in on ukraine, that's what going to make or break you. nato. i'll take that back. okay. and, and it, and they've made this craving choice. we didn't have to do it okay with ukraine is of no strategic value whatsoever to the european union at all. okay. but they made it that way. so they mon garland as well. and what, what you, but i just identified is that the, the, the, the security, the necessities and needs of the european union do not align with the us empire, who are their political and you know, economic masters. so we have

a contradiction between the leaders and those that are led. certainly to be quite frank, it's obvious that russians security needs aligns quite well with the european security needs. they have a border, they have trade, etc. the united states looks at it from a geo political perspective. how does the maintain power over both europe and russia? so part of the dynamic guy here, unfortunately, to the european union a can't and won't address, is that part of what the us empire is doing is, is to putting, is to ensure that you are in a position where they can't challenge the us on the world. stage economically, and they can't push back either diplomatically or politically they have to do with their told even though it's not in their best interest. and to me that's to be dynamic as, as is exposed by the north stream. it would seem bombing, yeah, yeah, which, you know, they, they, they couldn't find it in the united states. they can find pensioners with walkers and

a wheelchair that were close to the capital on january 6th. but they don't know who blow up the north stream pipelines. i think that's kind of interesting here. anthony chang saying with it was something the garland had to say. what i think is really remarkable, that if you look at public opinion across the western world, this is this war in ukraine is an elite project. this is not a popular thing, i mean the media can, can, and parents and the powers that be all they want. but you know, they go to great lengths, the sensor, r t and other opposition and independent voices. it's not a popular face as an elite agenda and you can see it in germany. okay. you have, i don't need a better box. i don't care what my voters say, this is an elite agenda. go ahead in where they. all right, well um, unfortunately, uh right, sorry, resolves even represents the site members and the, um, uh, very, very interesting thing. probably not slide down the boss we, we have got

a problem where debate is vegas shop town. and if we had any device or tools. ready uh, 812 or 3. all right, bear with me. her arguments. well sir, i have uh, 4 nights i'd say to be involved in the crane. uh sorry. so it is a very sort of side situation. uh the u. k. prime industry just side, but so he wants to be involved in the reconstruction of the ukraine, and that's a shaming and i will be something so that you trying to reconstruct all sort of time this card because it's already estimated that the cost of rebuilding a range of a certain number from $50.00, a $1000000000.00. and i hope these all say expect saying that you guys likes to actually get involved with that. but because of course, the u. k. tax by i have software, i run the city because we would have all public sites strikes result by now. if the

money is being spent on putting people a raise more wage in the side of uh, spending money on move on growing in ukraine. and we've had a huge, a fax, like twice an interest rates at all. 4 percent since the government decided on the policies on your credit and russia. we've had a run just rising prices are of a 5. so energy costs which will continue to west. and the problem with these opinions publish. ready mentioned is that you're on top of that, so if we actually have direct jobs. so it's a direct questions. the, the opinions were big a lot of gains, the u. k. they involved on and also west of european countries. but the problem is, all of these countries are not actually in the interest of the citizens that make

it says pool. so simple, this will asset. and some strange, this cannot continue at some stage of the citizens are getting, sorry enough is enough. where where, where fight up and uh while, while anthony, i'm a little more i'm may of more pessimistic on that because we saw what they did with cove with that and in many ways that was a dry run. so what you can do to, to do the locking people down quite literally and then locking down debate. let's go back to our guest in london and it's already been mentioned on this part of the way. i think it's very interesting and they talk about reconstruction and no negotiation and all that. well, i mean, they always forget the other side of the equation is rushes interest. and so, since nato will, it will not recognize in russia has any security interest whatsoever. and it's been in europe and leaders have been challenged about this. what about russia?

russia has no interest either during this conflict in ukraine. well, that is a very, very dangerous thing to say, because it gives the, the, the policy makers in the kremlin site. well, they weren't is going to do what weren't going to do because there's nobody to talk to see. this whole approach is, is so a dangerous for, for a piece on the continent and maybe whitening the war. but if you're not going to willing negotiating and get a talk, then the company is good. and when russia says it's over, go ahead in london. yes, i think uh, it's already been alluded suv. it's um, the uh, unit. pnc it is actually the interest of the people in this refusal by the us led west not to recognize russia's interests more as a so facia lead multi rated massive but something that is more oil and compasses that involves your swell. right? um, it's very sad in the unfortunates. i think the basis of

a security architecture in europe was missed in the needed altima softly and do not be onto logical cold war. but that's a kind of a more realistic template would be to recognize mutual economic and security interests, and not to play this game. this power, this power came off trying to subjugate the power, such as russia, which really is going to be assigned to this thing that it's something that, but it is obviously, it's ultimate conclusion would be a doomsday scenario. um, what hopes that it may seem like this will something not apparent and therefore rise a little realistic in the o'reilly. but what reason really need is here to break the steps is about being the uh, european leaders of a strong to fiber who can actually present the case as they did perform

a time in history that they recognize rushes legitimate interest. whether it was a soviet stage or a post soviet state, you had multiple 18 and there's nobody in the euro sceptic, germany for with that phrase. and that's a methodology originates from, there's nobody who's proselytizing that, that's the, you need to guarantee. everybody's a security interest using was states against another is simply not the states the states. crowe is actually very, very, yeah, well, what, what is what is happened here is, garland, what we heard from, i guess in london is spot on. is that you have this with the nato expansion to the east. it's, it's great. it's center of gravity has moved east as well. so you have countries like poland and you have the baltic. republics. they're the ones that are tilting the scales more. we the old europe, you know, germany in france, you know,

where they can get. this is where your p and security was anchored. they've been sidelines on allowed themselves to be silent. i mean, i don't call them chance or shields. i call them sergeant schultz. i mean, this guy that you know, he would, he would think of that with a great chancellor as jeremy's had since the 2nd world war. this guy is a dwarf. i mean it's, it's incredible to watch these people denigrate their own political stability and disregard and holding contempt. the electorate go ahead. garland yes. and what they don't realize also is that this affects the view of europe from the world, the one of the rehab. so what africa, the middle east latin america, most of the world is gravitating towards russian. this conflict is not just because of the history of colonialism from the, from the european powers. that's certainly a factor. but as the, the, the world leaders look at the fact was that is of the european leaders today, and they look at their vassal inches towards um,

towards the united states. they have no respect for them. they, they have, they have gained over spectrum around the world and traditional societies we're respect is very important, particularly for leaders. yeah. look at these people and some of the cultural craziness that they're trying to influence out to enforce. and they say, we just don't want any parts of this will go with a more traditional society that at least has some, has some from some respect for itself. and who means what it says and says what it means of like other other than the, the european vacillation, which is just double talkers. it's the end and say what they're told by the, by the administration. yeah. anthony. i mean, i'm glad this was brought up car because it's a something that i've been watching very closely and this is a, so it's a societal conflict is a service civilizational, that russian represents a civilization that is antithetical in the minds of the people in the west and, and this is one of the reasons why they despise rush. it is a conservative place. go ahead,

anthony. i think more more people in the united kingdom and rusted in europe, realizing bread so might be russia, has more bodies in chatting with people. is the thoughts about burden i told by the government so to cause i sure is a democratic country, a kitchen country which jose uh like the united kingdom. it sets up the face. so i think of some of the sage humphrey people wake up and realize that the best tide a loss or propaganda. but we have to look at this reputation issue because the reputation of value to america and the united kingdom went down, not one that was of great, but try electricity. 6000000 ask others when they did that cycle deal with the devil with the child. and yet,

but it pays to base or they could have got involved with the crying. now i have to jump in here gentlemen, we have run out of time. we have had a fascinating discussion. i want to thank my guess in washington where they are and in london. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c a next time. and remember across the rules, the, the,

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