district railway system, of course, solved the ceremony, were attended by the ceremony, was attended by the whiny and minister of frozen urban development. and of course, the russian minister of transport, the presidents of the 2 countries were also present to the ceremony. of course, as a lot of our appointment was attending the ceremony via video conference won't be wanting to present it to brian murray. see what was there in person? words, he delivered a speech and hailed the rushed onstar. our railroad, as a strategic development and cooperation between the restaurant i did want this project is a symbol of the multi faceted friendship between us. we will give a great input as to the development of comprehensive cooperation. in fact, this project began 2 decades ago, but due to objective reasons for it's implementation was suspended several types. thanks to the i'm, we'll of the leaders of the 2 states. we managed to reach concrete agreements on these projects. think come to an agreement that russian, president, lot of our fulton also phrase these mama for public,

for it's increasing efforts to try to develop, thereby not all ties with restaurants. he said that the north south transit quarter will be a major step and the completion of course of the all star off rashed railway system will be a major step towards diversifying transport tabs and transport routes between russia and india. and of course, the persian gulf middle states, the will see about transportation along the new core door will have significant competitive advantages. for example, the transportation of cargo from st. petersburg to move by will take about 10 days for comparison to travel time on traditional trade routes. takes between 30 and 45 days so this new route will help to have significant time and cost savings so that the roster are sort of right away seems to be confidently short. it plays a significant role then the completion of the north south transit corridor, which connects india, the indian subcontinent, all the way to ross on eastern europe, sol. so now we see that the countries,

the concerns countries like the persian gulf arab states. and now of course, india, pakistan, and restaurants and some of the countries on the eastern europe are now trying to invest in the strategic north, south transit corridor, just to pave the way for us to move trade between those countries. and it seems to be a very viable alternative path to the conventional so as can out routes which was used to be used by russia for the transit or if it's a good steward, the indian subcontinent. now we see that the north south transit quarter will significantly shorten the path needed for the washing goods to reach the indian subcontinent. and that is why it is also important for russia. many thanks for your company here. one of the international plants email updates to be signed on our website all to come back to the top down, the

the hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered, i'm peter live out. they chose the approach towards you. credit is full of contradictions. we are told a win for russia is a defeat for the west, but ukraine is not a member of the military alliance were told, nato is not part of the complex, but it has been supporting kevin with hurley since 2014. nato says he wants russian to be defeated, but it says nothing about peace. the,

the processing nato's illusions. i'm joined by my guest, carl and nixon in washington. he's a political analyst and where thing we have anthony webber, p as an independent political commentator. and in london we crossed to the income my 10 day. he is a visiting lecturer at the law school with the university of westminster hard gentleman comstock rules that affect that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, let's go to the ink and london 1st here. i'm, you know, i'm in my introduction. you are the last sentence. i talk about the word piece. this is something that we were watching this conflict in ukraine. nato never was. it mentions of word peace doesn't want to strive for peace. it wants a defeat of one country, and that is russia here, that is a fundamental flaw of the strategy. but nato has nato doesn't think about security . it doesn't think deal politically. it thinks ideologically, in a neo liberal way, and this is why it's turned in such a into such a mess for the, for the continent. and the consequences are far,

far reaching. the military conflict in ukraine will come to an end one day with the implications in the u. m. vacations. what nato is done will be with us for a very long time. go ahead and london as well. yes, i think uh this has been transferred in uh, my uh, writings and comments resolved on the matter. i think it's clear that it's a, you know, nate's always obviously at extension of us for employees and us foreign policy in the sense. ringback it's been infiltrated by those who profess the to be part of this neil, conservative ideology. i think it does not seem that's um uh the, the idea of the close comes into the vocabulary. i think they think received the world as being a way that old costs arena and that's it's one in which people must be subdued based. absolutely no room for discussion. and that's why we have this uh,

a fully charged decades long a policy of a full made saving cobra to those that was easily made to that imposing the really most sanctions on, on different nation states. and i think it's, that's very sad because it's, uh, it provides a very, a, the unfortunates in payments in terms of etc, a mutual security and co existence for all right. and you get all the freedom of trade and you go back to lex. yeah, it's, it's everything, carl, and i mean it was, it was codified in the mid seventies with the helsinki process, a be indivisibility of security, meaning everybody, you can, you can aggregate security towards yourself at the expense of another state. and so that's why we have the term in the visibility of security and they went along with it. it worked think that at the height of the cold war, that is,

as we heard from our guest in london, you know, even considering that and considering the term diplomacy, negotiation means compromise and compromise as a dirty work for these people. garland in washington. yes. because what we're looking at is a, a group of individuals who talk about a us live. well, at times they mentioned it as the us led war uh, order. and other times they refer to it as the rules based international order. but it simply means usaa gemini, and the contradiction we have now is that the, the us empire has to talk to the world with a cover story of a, you know, with, of, of, of acting in the best interest of all of trying to maintain an order that's in the best interest of all. however, this a so called order has to be imposed on the world you inc, using color as it means. so if this order must be input post on the, on the world, then it's, it's clear that by its very nature, it is a gressick and,

and course of nature. and that's what going on right now. and the, the, the, the allies, orse baffles or colonies of the us empire are paying the price there being sacrifice. so they all through this world where they have their sacrificing. they are very good friends, the and, and, and, and their scan regard for ukrainians. that's what's really ironic about anthony what, what, what is very interesting as well as the nato says, constantly, and there was an interview with felton bern more with the washington post. a few days ago, natal doesn't want to escalate, but that's all they told does, is escalate, you know, at one point, you know, a certain kind of tanks were, were not allowed. now they were there. now these long range missiles primarily come to him in the u. k, in the us, almost always most likely follow the you case weight here. they constantly escalate though they claim that they do not want to do that. again, that means nato is, are well in, in nature. go ahead and where they to, yes,

i agree. what do you say is there any thoughts and best rate no successful for. ready pace, in fact, right. uh i put a year ago, fairly strong. some when drive it to the crane, i just dropped off the uh, pending base, stale for trade and the crate. i'm not sure. i'm, since i'm hundreds of thousands of casualties. a baby many movie channels uh best buy more like a of uh, a hold of you trying to get because of the continued coverage. and the supply of this heavy wiper rate is actually the assessor because it's a stall where we were told in the u. k. r with these was we were getting ready to finish button 5 over the summer. the way the record re weighed. some are killed and injured. the civilians in the east of the crime rates are cool, saw fights. it's become part of russia. i say what,

what is the city it will look the issue is that the nice side countries are not saying it in the best interests or by monday is the logic in government which has stopped at this policy and intervening. ready the cry and comfort to die well has got absolutely no land a problem. i stop blair to tell you that. so. ready to thing and uh that is being amazing. tommy, just on say the but you should call them 8. the debates about the u. k. government, you're kind of russian policies and uh, its excessive uh, we were talking about disclosed mother tree age site, the fall of, well, uh 5 by the year. but we don't know won't be on disgraced saturdays, but we will see needs to look at. so what is the damage to you?

k foreign policy by the means of aging and you crying because we've seen the reducing firms. what she is, isaac, king, them, is guessing in the wells are because of this pa. ready say, and we've seen that, but it's full structure to become more close to our told me disjoined under cause we have to look how it was. oh, um, what have they adults in common with the crime because they, they told the defending sycold of all these all democratic values. but we, we know they've shut down opposition policies. they shut down opposition media and i've even shopped on the off of the church. well, i and anthony on top of it, it looks like they're going to cancel the next round of elections in the country. okay. you know, western values here. ok, let's go back to under the inca in,

in london. i, you know, one of the things that prep products is me so much here is a, how is this really, in fact helping ukraine. you have millions and millions of people of fled the country. the country is g, d p is in a free fall, industrial capacity is almost 0 and they're, they're basically a welfare state or a, a client state of the west right now. i can see how this grew great effort to save you cream is actually doing anything for the ukrainian people. and again, like i said already in this program, this conflict will in one day, but what will be left of the country go ahead in london? will most likely read credit. he's going to be this man, but um, it's obviously true. yeah. that's uh the interest of the ukrainian people i know how to parts of finding out about how that how by the the american, the lions small. so how i called by the ukranian leads themselves to plunder and pills from the economy. that was the modus operandi. right?

so i'm just right from the beginning. it's always had an issue with corruption. i certainly off the 2014, to day to rather than the resolution of dignity, it wasn't true. they taught you had the, you know, the big victory was always predictive. it's the american, the almost out to listen and the corporate power would infiltrate ukraine to give me my shop treatments and exploit that culture. so we know, right, sorry, not with standing. the, well, that was happening in the dumbass. you have a situation where ukraine's been calling me has been totally, you know, has been considered really degraded and salty pride despite this suppose idea that ukraine wants to become more open, more modern,

more west. and it's actually this actually regrets that i think this uh, a particular phase of the call because it is a phase, it then stops in february of 19 a. so 2022. and so it's been an ongoing hybrid or weaver milli trees. i've mentioned with an economic dine making sure that it's informational diamond, sure. and both, fortunately, each of the strands have no counts you crate up by milly. so really need to intimidate russia, put in the minds to the dogs, literally of russia. you're not doing any favorites to that country. we're using a for that role a. similarly, when he comes to a, the economics solving is all about beginning about plunder as the one development of both states. this new phase of a special miniature ration of the russian intervention as being the introduction of

the likes of black rocks. whose ro, essentially only be the well i well, i'm going to go to our break gentleman, but i think hunter biting was the, you know, he was a, he let the path you know, he created, he was a play, a trailblazer for all of this here. gentlemen. i'm going to jump in here, we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on nato's illusions and stay with our to the the garage, elizabeth and the system screen of the boss can do either speak with key at the washington state, the pros to complete the rest of guys has to phone and send

2 professional men to you for the list of all but huge, but they use the the welcome back to prospect for all things are considered on peter in the mail to remind you, we're discussing nato is the illusions the okay, let's go back to garland and watch it and see if there's only, if there's a silver lining in all of this. garland,

this really dreadful situation is that nato has taken it upon itself to say, this is ex, essential, it's to be or not to be. well, i'll take those odds. ok, i mean, if it's all in on ukraine, that's what going to make or break you. nato, i'll take that back. okay. and, and it's, and they've made this craving choice. we didn't have to do it okay with ukraine is of no strategic value whatsoever to the european union at all. okay. but they made it that way. so they mon garland as well. and what, what you've, i just identified is that the, the, the, the security, the necessities and needs of the european union do not align with the us empire, who are their political and you know, economic masters. so we have a contradiction between the leaders and those that are led. certainly to be quite frank, it's obvious that russia's security needs aligns quite well with the european security

needs. they have a border, they have trade, etc. the united states looks at it from a geo political perspective. how does the maintain power over both europe and russia? so part of the dynamic guy here, unfortunately, to the european union a can't and won't address, is that part of what the us empire is doing is, is to putting, is to ensure that europe's in a position where they can't challenge the us on the world stage. economically, and they can't push back either diplomatically or politically they have to do with their told even though it's not in their best interest. and to me that's to be dynamic as, as is exposed by the north stream. it would seem bombing, yeah, yeah. which, you know, they, they, they couldn't find it in the united states. i can find pensioners with walkers and a wheelchair that were close to the capital on january 6th. but they don't know who blow up the north stream pipelines. i think that's kind of interesting here. anthony chang saying with it was something the garland had to say. what i think is

really remarkable that if you look at public opinion across the western world, this is this war in ukraine is an elite project. this is not a popular thing. i mean, the media can attend and parents in the powers that be all they want, but you know, they go to great lengths, the sensor, r t and other opposition and independent voices. it's not a popular face as an elite agenda and you can see it in germany. ok? you have a lead, a better box. i don't care what my voters say, this is an elite agenda. go ahead and where they or right, well, um, unfortunately, uh right, sorry, results even represented. so you started members and um, uh, by a very interesting thing. probably not slide down the boss we, we have got a problem where debate is vegas shop down. and if we had any device or tool, uh 812 or 3 or what the argument small sir i have uh, 4 nights i'd say to be involved in the crane. uh sorry. so it is already sort of

side situation. uh the u. k. prime industry just side, but so he wants to be involved in the reconstruction of the ukraine, and that's a shame. and i will be something sold. are you trying to reconstruct all sort of time this card because it's already estimated that the costs of rebuilding raged over something on the $30.00 a $1000000000.00. i think these all say expect saying the guy talks about as we get involved pretty much. but because of course, the u. k. tax fast have software to run the city because we would have all public sites strikes result by now. if the money is being spent on putting people a raise more wage in the side, they have uh, spending money on move on growing in ukraine. and we've had

a huge for a fax like twice. and the interest rates are all 4 percent since the government decided on the policies on your credit and russia. we've had a run just rising prices are with fairfax. so energy costs which will continue to west. and the problem with these opinions publish. ready mentioned is that they are adopted. so if we actually have to write john, so is direct questions. the, the opinions were big even more against the u. k. they involved and, and also west of european countries. but the problem is, all of these countries are not actually in the interest of the citizens that might give assistance pool. so support this war effort. and some of the strange, this cannot continue at some stage. this is or good society enough is enough.

where where, where find out and uh while, while anthony i'm, i'm a little more i'm may of more pessimistic on that because we saw what they did with cove with that and in many ways that was a dry run. and so what you can do to, to, to locking people down quite literally and then locking down to be, let's go back to our guests in london. it's already been mentioned on this program . i think it's very interesting and they talk about reconstruction and no negotiation and all that. well, i mean, they always forget the other side of the equation is russia's interest. and so, since nato, well, it will not recognize in russia has any security interest whatsoever. and it's been in europe and leaders have been challenged about this. what about russian? russia has no interest either during this conflict in ukraine. well, that is a very, very dangerous thing to say, because it gives the, the, the policy makers and the problem say, well, they weren't is going to do what weren't going to do, because there's nobody to talk to see. this whole approach is, is so

a dangerous for, for a piece on the continent and, and maybe whitening the war. but if you're not going to willing negotiating and going to talk, then the company is going to and wouldn't rush. it says it's over. go ahead in london. yes, i think it's already been alluded suv. it's at the european leaders out. actually the interest of the people to this refusal by the us of the west not to recognize russia's interests more as a so facia lead motivated massive but something that is more oil and compasses that involves your swell. right? um, it's very sad in the unfortunates. i think the basis of a security architecture in europe was missed in the needed altima softly and the geological cold war. but that's a kind of the more realistic temper they would be to recognize mutual

economic and security interests and not to play this game. this power, this power came off trying to subjugate a power such as russia, which really is going to be assigned to this thing. and it's something that, but it's obviously, it's ultimate conclusion, would be a doomsday scenario. one hopes that it may seem like this will something not apparent and therefore rise a little realistic in the rising. but what really need is here to break the spend is about being a european leaders of or strong. the fiber actually presents the case as they did perform a time in history that they recognize rushes legitimate interest when it was a soviet stage or post soviet state, you had multiple 18 and there's nobody in the you certainly could just leave with

that phrase and that's a methodology originates from these nobody whose personal ties in that that's that you need to guarantee every body's a security interest using was states against another is simply not the states, the states. crowe is actually very, very, yeah, well, what, what is what has happened here is, garland, what we heard from, i guess in london is spot on. is that you have this with the nato expansion to the east. it's is great. it's center of gravity has moved east as well. so you have countries like poland and you have the baltic. republics. they're the ones that are tilting the scales more. we and this old europe, you know, germany and france, you know, where they can get. this is where your p and security was anchored. they've been sidelines or allowed themselves to be silent. i mean, i don't call them chance or shields. i call them sergeant schultz. i mean, this guy that you know, he, would you ever think of that with

a great chancellor as jeremy's had since the 2nd world war? this guy is a dwarf. i mean it's, it's incredible to watch these people denigrate their own political stability and disregard and holding contempt. the electorate go ahead. garland yes. and then what they don't realize also is that this affects the view of europe from the world. the one of the rabbits on africa, the middle east, latin america, most of the world is gravitating towards russian. this conflict is not just because of the history of colonialism from the, from the european powers. that's certainly a factor. but as the, the, the world leaders look at the effect listed as of the european leaders today. and they look at their vassal ledges towards um, towards the united states. they have no respect for them. they, they have, they have gained over spectrum around the world and traditional societies we're respect is very important, particularly for leaders. yeah. look at these people and some of the cultural

craziness that they're trying to influence out to enforce. and they say, we just don't want any parts of this will go with a more traditional society that at least has some, has some from some respect for itself. and who means what it says and says what it means of like other other than the, the european, vast ways which are just double talkers and spin and say what they're told by the, by the administration. yeah, anthony. i mean, i'm glad this has brought up cars because it's a, something that i've been watching very closely. and this is a says, a societal conflict. as a citizen civilizational, that russian represents a civilization that is anesthetic cold in the minds of the people in the west. and, and this is one of the reasons why they despise russia, is a conservative place. go ahead, anthony. i think more more people in the united kingdom, i've invested in europe. i realize taking bread. so i might be russia has more bodies and chatting with people is the thoughts about that. and i told by the

government, so the closer i ship, it is a democratic country, our church and country which jose, uh, like the united kingdom, it sets up the face. so i think of some of the sage hi, free people wake up and realize that that's tied to a loss of propaganda. but we have to look at this reputation issue because um, the reputation moved by utah in america and the united kingdom went down not one purpose of great but trial to 26000000 ice guns when they did that cycle deal with the capital. with the tyler and get back to the page to base or they could have got involved with the crime. now i have to jump in here gentlemen. we have run out of time. we have had a fascinating discussion. i want to thank my guest in washington where they and in london. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at

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