any discrepancies and its implementation should be correct to this soon as possible . 2 different and the other lists told us that be great, and the clients m. o balanced implementation from the international community. this expansion definitely gets confidence. that's nice visual for security. it's not going to get worse, even though of course we have some people who would like to see these views, you know, having the most along the cycle done. then 2 months, so moving forward, the same way we sent them both of us. we know that it's a bit complicated issue so, so how this concerns are and so one of those concepts, of course also includes something that is shared with african countries, which is that many of the, most of the grain that as does indeed leave us so far by 15000000, making fun of an exported as soon as the very 1st agreement, most of it have gone to the country to feed beings on seeing him off. if any, do we know in parts of the world, you have people who definitely would, are looking forward to seeing more of this disagreement connecting to 8 packages.

yes. 2 months when the deal was in plays a substantial amount of those of those export funds way through the developed countries. this is really unfortunate. i have to say in terms of, you know, i addressing the challenges but it is the weight has happened. and i know that there were lessons learned from me that this time around measures will be put in place to distribute the next location coming from the coming to must a bunch your 1st of august and then be brought out and reaching those needs more than those that have for the tenant 2 sources of food, and i'm not entirely dependent on on, on, on the russia and ukraine not surprised to southern ukraine now, when air raid sirens have been found in the post city of augusta as

a series of explosions and being reported that by social media uses several on verified image of video as opposed to showing explosions, lighting up the night sky in queens governments. i explicitly prohibits its citizens from posting images of such incidents online. kevin most ago have not yet commented on these reports, book keeping fully updated. you may find useful a comes in here and also you international law updates to be found on our website. dot com will be back in 30 minutes. the whistle blowers usually report on cases of waste, fraud, abuse, or illegality in a simple effort to right or wrong. but the whistle blowing sometimes takes on a life of its own and the case becomes something more than writing a wrong. it becomes an effort to change the culture that allowed the wrong to take

place in the 1st place. after all, how effective can was the blowing be if it doesn't serve to fix a system that has been corrupted. i'm john to reaku. welcome to the width of lowers the . 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 our next guess jane turner was a trailblazer in the federal bureau of investigation. she joined the fbi i in 1978 and became the organizations 1st swipe member swat is the special weapons and tactics team. she investigated some of the most high profile crimes of the past 40 years, including the abortion clinic bombings and the central park pepe murder. she was involved in the capture of christopher bois, whose story was told in the film, the falcon and the snowman. and she worked on the case of gary allan ridgeway the so called green river killer, who murdered 49 women in washington state. in 1999,

jean turner brought to the attention of her management team, serious misconduct concerning failures to investigate and prosecute crimes against children on native american reservations in the state of north dakota. she also reported on the criminal theft of property from the 911 ground, 0 crime scene. and just to make matters worse for superiors, disagree unaided against her just because she was a smart and accomplished woman. in the end, jane turner suited the f. b, i n one, a large monetary settlement. beyond that, government watched our groups used her case to demand the f, b i and the broader federal government address the issues of whistle blowing and retaliation. jane turner, welcome to the show. we're so glad to have you. thank you, john. i'm just delighted to be here. oh, thank you jane. i'd like to begin with your own whistle blowing and then move on to some broader issues. first, tell us about that whistle blowing you had what looked like a stellar career. you were a trailblazer, as i said at the f

b i you had been there for more than 20 years. you had worked on major cases cases that most people in the general public would know. and then over the course of 2 years from 1999 to 2001, everything seemed to just fall on your head. take us through that period or you're absolutely correct. john. i have some incredible cases. i haven't incredible, career control. i blew the whistle on misconduct in indian country, which is where i was working. i was the senior resident agent. that is someone who has authority over the area that they supervised. i had 14000 square miles. oh, uh, 14 sheriffs, one who told me he didn't think women should be in law enforcement, but it was a huge responsibility. i had to f b i. agents were under me one who was really a terrible agent, really terrible. and it turned out that she had closed the case where

a young child of 5 year old had been brutally sexually assaulted and he closes the car accident cuz she appeared not to want to work those cases. they are mess suitcases that you know um, working with kids, but i brought it to the attention of my s i c special agent in charge down in minneapolis, so i flew down there and let him know and the retaliation started immediately. my goodness, your case ended up becoming much bigger than jeff jane turner, the general accounting office now called the government accountability office site . in your case as an example of what should not happen in government with whistle blowers and they urged reforms for the department of justice. soon after that report was published, congress held hearings about whistle blower, retaliation across government. and your case was cited as

a prime example. of retaliation. so 1st, tell us how your whistle blowing affected the remainder of your career. and 2nd, tell us how government policy on whistle blowers changed because of your case. well, john, as you know, being a c, i, a whistle blower that a whistle blowers are persecuted and prosecute that happened to you and i was certainly persecuted and went to trial. the jury found that all those allegations that they launched against me that they used and my performance reports were not true. we had federal agents, native american law enforcement and assisted in united states attorneys who came to the trial and talked about the fact that these procedural error. so yeah, yeah, i had put on my performance report were not correct and were false. and that

historically my work was outstanding and showed no decline. the us, the court of appeals for the 8 circuit noted that it was a 10 year battle in john, you're not a stranger to this, not at all. no, been through. and the government is relentless when they go after whistle blowers, your career is over. i've never gotten anything in law enforcement sense the same that you have experience. they blackwall you, you're marginalized, it's it's, it's tough to be a whistle blower. it just is tough. it is tough indeed. since leaving government you have become the director and chair of the national whistleblower center here in washington dc. how did you make that jump and why did you decide to devote yourself to whistle blower issues? i mean, obviously it was because of your own case, but i say this with a smile on my face. so many former f b i. agents that i know choose instead to cash in on their experience and they go

into the corporate world. usually in security, you didn't do that. you instead devote yourself to protecting whistle blowers. why did you make that decision as well? what you said is absolutely correct, john. the people who retaliated against me after they retired, of course, nothing happened to them. they went into the corporate world and got really high paying jobs. i, on the other hand, could not get another job because the up the, all right, certainly put out the words that i was a slaughter human being and they continue that to, to today. so after hearing now, there was a low, a blower stories after being held, helped by a friend white hers, a well known epi i whistle blower. i decided to forward the favor that he gave me and to help whistle blowers, the attorney who represented me,

steven calling from con, calling color info. who is the world's leading whistleblower firm? mm hm. um you took my case. she won my case and i had worked with him ever since i had joined on to the national was the lower center. like you said. and i'm a reporter in a pod, castor for whistle blower, network news, and bring the stories to like because their stories are important. and all the whistleblower tries and communities have noticed the same things happening. when government comes down on you or private business or law enforcement agencies, the same kind of things happen retaliation. aust, being ostracized, being kicked out of the tribes that they're in at that time. so it's, it's a tough, tough road, the whistleblower road. and i want to help those people tell us a little bit about some of the work that's being done at the national whistleblower center. right now. you work with whistle blowers from all walks of life. not just

those and national security, not even just those in government. tell us what, what you're focused on as well. that focuses mainly on healthy whistle blowers get through the trauma because as you are well aware of john, again, it can be a very dramatic and damaging experience to be a person of integrity and then have the government or your job, whatever it is in the private industry, state government, sure. i'll tell you that you're not a person of integrity that you know you're something less and we want to bring it to the public's attention. the whistle blowers are, people of integrity are courageous and they deserve. they deserve justice. in that respect, we're starting a campaign for national whistleblower day for all with the was it's a grass roots uh a campaign to help whistle blowers and to make

a national whistle blower day permanent by executive order by president bite. while we believe we get this done, we believe that we can change your culture concerning this idea of whistle blowers being a spunk that the picnics. as sure, presley says, mm hm. and we really, really are in chance of getting this done. and this people go to w, w, w dot in w d, campaign dot org. or go to whistle blower network news or whistle blower on the national us lower center. they can find what's going on with this campaign. we're very excited. we want to get you involved drawn up, you think it's what's the lowest and we want to change the culture. and that's the key right there. you know, one of the, one of the big events that you have every year is the national whistleblowers luncheon. that takes place in the summer and i've been several times and there are

hundreds and hundreds of whistle blowers all gathered together. one of the most fun things about that event is that there are some very important people from capitol hill who attend and who give speeches. you mentioned a moment ago, senator grassley, a republican, a very senior republican from iowa. there are other members of congress that attend as well. tell me a little bit about the support that whistle blowers and the national whistleblower center. get from capitol hill. do you see things improving there? i do. i do see it on national. this blower centers as work closely with politicians with congress in washington dc. siri nelson is now the executive director of national was the lower center. and by working with these politicians, we're hoping to make the culture better to whistle blowers. in fact, person and by medium came out after the anti money laundering bill was passed and said, whistle blowers are critically important for national security and for our economic

development. so if you have people saying things like that, john, why are we holding whistleblowers up as the people of integrity, honesty encourage that they are, and that includes you, john, to tell us a little bit about uh about pending legislation on capitol hill. you know we, we've got a national whistleblower protection act it. unfortunately, national security whistle blowers are exempt from its protections. but the f. b, i has made some inroads. there. is there other legislation that you're working on or fighting for to protect whistle blowers as well. right. now we are trying to gather together of people in congress in order to help us with these ventures on whistle blowers and whistle blowing. and we're trying to develop people like senator grassley who can help. what does they be democratic or republican?

we don't care. it's a bi partisan efforts and uh, like i said, ours is a grassroots, come on camping and we have the whistle blowers are running it. we have a share and watkins, we have my cell spread lighters. we have all these really impressive people, whistle blowers who are coming to the forefront. that's the only way we're going to get things changed because as you well know, people are scared was a, was, it's true. they are, and in many cases they should be, were speaking to them. they were speaking with the, the i was of lower gene turner. we're going to take a short break and come right back. please stay tuned. we have a lot more coming up. the

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to buy the specific store shortly concerning the show just to shape house because the engagement equals the trails when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look for common ground, the the welcome back to the whistle blowers and john 3 onto were speaking with f. b i was the blower gene turner about her whistle blowing and her work at the national whistle blower center. thanks for staying with us jane. you bet john a pleasure. jane. i want to ask you about some contemporary issues. republicans in

the house of representatives have established something called the select subcommittee on the web and ization of the federal government. depending on the news outlet, the subcommittee either is exposing wrong, doing and government, or it's wasting everybody's time. so i wanted to ask you a couple of questions about this 1st met tie e b who has been on this show has been doing what i think is great work in exposing the fbi, i's involvement in policy making a twitter before a line must bought the company, the republicans loved these revelations. the democrats hate these revelations. first, give me your thoughts on what the f, b, i the c i a, and the department of defense and homeland security were doing it. twitter was any of this appropriate in your view? well, john, you know, as you know, the f b, i sometimes gets involved in situations that they should not be involved in. mm hm . and that's so blower. so important is to bring transparency to our government. no

matter if it's the f, b i the c i a n s, a whistle, blowers are critical to bring these actions either mouth seasons or corruption or misconduct to light. so i'm delighted they're looking at some of these issues. yeah, there are a former c, i, a officers spread all over corporate america, usually in security, but oftentimes also in policy. this is especially prevalent in tech and in defense contractors. but now, thanks to the twitter files, we see that former c i a and former f b i. officers and officials were active in social media companies to and we see that they had influence over a corporate policy. is this more common than americans realize, or is this an outlier? and is it ever appropriate? and i think john, that is more common than the public realizes. and that's again,

i'm going to say that's why whistle blowers are so important is to bring these situations to light. it should not be happening. what do you think should be done about it? and let me preface that by saying, you know, at the c, i a, they have a program called the scholar in residents program. and what they do is they'll take senior c i a officers and place them in universities all across the country with the idea that you spend your last a year or your last 2 years at the c, i a on loan to these universities teaching courses. but more often than not, what happens is either the cia officer retires in place and continues teaching while staying in touch with the c i a for it acts as a recruiter. on behalf of the c i a at that university. we also know that the f b, i has a similar program and that f, b i, agents, uh,

either immediately after retirement or immediately before retirement, go to companies or universities and essentially do the same thing is, is that a good thing? is it good for the public? is it good for the university or for the company? or is this something where we should really have a wall between these national security and federal law enforcement organizations and academia and business as well? they certainly these corporations and businesses certainly seek out c i a and f b i people to search uh like you said on in security divisions. and that's the question that the american public should really take a look at. because it is quite common. i know of the agents, it ships with big corporations, they pay well. and as you know, whether it's a c i a, or the i or n s a. you're always looking for that golden parachute does,

you know, get shoved out of the plane. so there's a lot of them there, there's no choice about it. there's a lot of them there. oh yes, they are in contact with their agency whether it be the, the i c i a or, and their site mats. how you be mentioned recently that there was a retired c i a officer who was working at the executive level and twitter before eli must bought the company and that there was this ongoing joke among other twitter executives that this person had never left the c. i a that he was actually still a current c i a officer and he was serving the c i a while at twitter for god knows what, what reason, but you're right jane. this is something that we all have to be aware of. we all have to be on the lookout for, and i think as whistle blowers or whistle blower advocates, whistleblower supporters. we need to be vocal in our opposition to it. you're

absolutely correct. you're absolutely correct. it's and they're often used as a direct conduct to the government and we'd have to question if that's a healthy relationship or not. indeed, jane, we've seen several current and former f b. i. agents testify on capitol hill as to what they describe is inappropriate actions taken by the fbi. i in the immediate aftermath of the january 6th, 2021. right. republicans have a lot of these men for their courage, and indeed we had one of them here on the show. but democrats say that they are not whistle blowers. what is your view on this? it seems to me that at its most basic level, what is it blowing is very simply bringing to light evidence of wrongdoing in isn't that what they did regardless of their personal politics? you're absolutely correct. jones, your spot on there. and we can't really sit in judgement of whether a person can be a whistle blower or not a whistle blower. if they bring something to light. yes, they are

a whistle blowers and we have steve friends who you know and yes, i know i had him on a pod cast and it was brought up just today. the fact that uh steve friend had been kind of maligned yes. in his mole and of course empower oversight, which is uh, whistle blowers and research group. and a friend of ours is also responsible for that. came out and said that there were false claims that the d o. j slash o i g had rejected his allegations and that was not true. yes. and that was not true. so you really have to be careful when you hear claims against whistle blowers that they're either not a whistle blower or their claims are not correct or have been rejected because of

empower oversight. just noted. they like, i want to ask you about that. you're right, we had stephen friend on this show and i've spoken to him a number of times what was reported about steven friend in the, in the national media. following his testimony before this subcommittee was just simply not true. it said that he had no, no personal firsthand experience in what it was he was testifying about. that's not true. it said that he was something of a malcontent at the, at the f b i that was not true. he was a proud f b i agent, he had intended to make a lifelong career out of the f b i a and the never the media never addressed his allegations that he was taken off of a squad that had been set up to investigate 6 crimes against children in order to participate in raids on the homes of people who had demonstrated peaceably on

january 6th, 2021. the media never touched on any of the allegations that he made. they chose instead just to attack him. that is correct. but that should come as no surprise to either you or i, because in our careers the same thing happened. you know, they were claims made against you, you were persecuted. and like i said, prosecuted. and there was no good reason for that. is just this idea of squashing with the lord and that's all it's about mr. friend steve friend is a whistle and he should be considered that until proven otherwise. that is how we operate. i think that is exactly right. and those of us for whom whistle blowing is so important, those of us who seek to, to support whistle blowers and to encourage the work that they do audit or to take

this as a lesson, you know, and in some ways stephen friend got off easy in that he wasn't prosecuted, he was the famed, but he wasn't prosecuted. we look at people like daniel hale, for example, the drone whistle blower or, or geoffrey sterling, the ca whistleblower reality winters the, the interstate right. so blower that had their lives utterly ruined and, and did serious time in prison. that hasn't be fall and stephen friend, but at the same time, the last time i had a conversation with the poor guy. uh, he asked me if uh, if i had any job leads that i could pass to him. here's, here's a man who again has devoted his life to law enforcement. was responsible in his treatment of the law and his in his observance of the law. and he can't find work, it has chosen field. it's just simply not fair. yeah, and he probably never will. john. that's the sad news that rosette news. you know

what? personally you are persecuted and prosecuted. yeah. you know, it's usually i know it and that's just something a whistle blower has to live with. that is what causes the trauma and whistle blowers like it is the natural like we are doing this campaign in order to elevate them in our culture. their people have integrity, honesty, courage, and you know, they just started to be treated that way as people of integrity. you are absolutely right. we'll leave it there. i'd like to thank our guest, jane turner for joining us. and thanks to our viewers, remember not every thing in life is a shade of gray. some things are black and white. they are right or wrong. when confronted with waste, fraud, abuse, illegality, or threats to the public health or public safety, do the right thing. below that whistle until next time. 2 2 2

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