the russian friends you are behind the montages conspiracies, the fate content and tapes that were exposed in peace country yesterday. if you want our friendship to continue after may 15th gets the hands of the torture state . we are still in favor of cooperation and friendship. he liked to have respectfully backtracked upon realizing there was no real link between the pool him a deep faith video he had referred to and russia will sit on, you know, for that we think rush of for it statement in which it assured that it's not interfering in elections directly or digital these, there are no issues and we have no problems with the russian people. on the contrary, i have referred to them as my friends, and it's we owe the guns dreams of an easy victory, fated with every new ballad. knowing that the wind that takes it all, he pre empted the arrival of the guns to port his home, the streets of the old position, govern capital, and correct, sending a distinct signal. the 2 can play the game of protests after all,

the old position has been quite vocal about the grudges towards the gun and his retinue. when all the presidential candidates and the technician election was a non alarm from the ancestor alliance, he's on the place and the 1st round scanning 5 percent of the ballots. his vote is a now expected to influence the outcome of the runoff and an exclusive interview to all t owens sites that opposition tons of college student the lower i said the cut up shouldn't be more cost as well either during the prices as race. if it was all fall into the it was that i don't i one on thursday. here's a preview. i think of several of mr. codes. dark blue. unfortunately from the very beginning thought he would win. and this caused him to make some mistakes in the field. when i met him, i told him that she should be careful about selection security, and that's his believe that he was guaranteed victory did not match our analysis from the field. our field evaluation was signaling a different conclusion. and with this reason, we advise him to undertake

a more cautious selection campaign. everything that we full so in the field became a reality as a petition. i'm younger than ever done in college, dark blue, blood time, a position who comes from the field and diamond individual has completed the doctor and political science and international relations at the mall. i'm a person who knows the academic dimension of this subject. all of our field observation is have become a reality. and to mr. ko, it's dar glue. i advised that he more carefully observed what is happening in the field for you to keep on top of all the latest developments by checking our website on the team. top. com. as always we appreciate your company. thank you for choosing audience match the

the, [000:00:00;00] the hello, and welcome to cross software. all things are considered. i'm peter live out. nature's approach towards you. credit is full of contradictions. we are told a win for russia is a defeat for the west. but ukraine is not a member of the military alliance were told, nato is not part of the complex, but it is been supporting kevin with hurley since 2014. nathan says he wants russian to be defeated, but it says nothing about police. the processing nato is illusions. i'm joined by my guess, carl and nixon in washington. he's

a political analyst and where thing we have anthony webber x p as an independent political commentator. and in london we crossed to the income my 10 day. he is a visiting lecturer at the law school of the university of westminster or a gentleman crosstalk roles that affect that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate, let's go to the ink and london 1st here. i'm, you know, i'm in my introduction. you are the last sentence. i talked about the word piece. this is something that we were watching this conflict in ukraine. nato never was. it mentions of word piece doesn't want to strive for peace. it wants a defeat of one country, and that is russia here, that is a fundamental flaw of the strategy that nato has. nato doesn't think about security . it doesn't thing deal politically. it thinks ideologically, in a neo liberal way, and this is why it's turned in such a into such a, a, a mess for the, for the continent and the consequences are far, far reaching. the military conflict in ukraine will come to an end one day with the

implications and the implications of what nato has done will be with us for a very long time. go ahead and london as well. yes, i think uh, this has been printed in uh, my uh, writings and comments resolved on the matter. i think it's clear that it's a, you know, nate's always, obviously an extension of us for employees. and us foreign policy in the sense it's been infiltrated by those who profess the to be part of this neil, conservative ideology. i think it does not seem that's um uh the, the idea of uh, diplomacy comes into the vocabulary. i think they, they perceive the world as being a way that all costs a rena, and that's, it's one in which people must be subdued. there's absolutely no room for discussion

and that's why we have this uh, a fully charged decades long a policy of a full made save a covert to those that was include made to that imposing the resume of sanctions on, on different nation states. and i think it's, that's very fast because it's, it provides a very unfortunate impediments in terms of etc. a mutual security and co existence for all right. and you get all the freedom of trait and to provide leg. yeah it's, it's everything, garland, i mean, it was, it was codified in the mid seventies with the helsinki process, a be indivisibility of security. meaning everybody, you can, you can aggregate security towards yourself at the expense of another state. and so that's where we have the term in the visibility of security, and they went along with it. it worked to death at the height of the cold war. that is, as we heard from our guest in london, you know,

even considering that and considering the term diplomacy, negotiation means compromise, and compromise is a dirty work for these people. garland in washington. yes, because what we're looking at is a, a group of individuals who talk about a us led law at times. they mentioned it as the us led war uh, order. and other times they refer to it as the rules based international order. but it simply means us at gemini and the contradiction we have now is that the, the us empire has to talk to the world with a cover story of the, you know, with the, of the, acting in the best interest of all of trying to maintain an order that's in the best interest of all. however, this a so called order has to be imposed on the world using using course it means. so if this order must be input post on the, on the world, then it's, it's clear that by its very nature, it is a gressick and, and course of nature. and that's what going on right now. and the, the, the,

the allies, orse baffles or colonies of the us empire are paying the price they're being sacrificed. so they all through this world where they have their sacrificing, they are very good friends. the and, and, and, and their scan for guard, for ukrainians. that's what's really ironic about anthony what, what, what is very interesting as well as the nato says, constantly, and there was an interview with felton bern more with the washington post. a few days ago, natal doesn't want to escalate, but that's all they told does, is escalate, you know, at one point, you know, a certain kind of tanks were, were not allowed. now they were there. now these long range missiles primarily come for him in the u. k, in the us, almost always most likely follow the you case weight here. they constantly escalate though they claim that they do not want to do that. again, that means nato is, are well in, in nature, and go ahead and where they to, yes. all agree or what do you say is there any thoughts on best way?

no successful for. ready pace in fact, right. i put a year ago, but a strong some one drive. it's a the crime. i've just got this the uh, funding based stale for trading the crate. i'm not sure. i'm since i'm hundreds of thousands of pounds or casualties of baby money might be told this being more like a of a of a whole. are you trying to could because of the continued comforts and the supply of this heavy wiper rate is actually the assessor because it's a stall where we were told in the u. k. r will these was we were giving a variety defense, pop it in 5 over the summer. the way the way ways some are killed and injured civilians in the east and he cried. major cool saw fights. it's become positive. russia, i think, what is it missing?

it will lift the ac, is that the nice side countries are not actually in the past, the interest of a model that is on the logic in government which has stopped at this policy and uh, intervening. ready the quite uncomfort to die well has got absolutely no land a problem. i stop like to tell you that. so. ready to say and, and uh, the speed, amazing time age strong to the purchase, you call them 8 the debates about the u. k. government. so you're kind of russian policies and uh its excessive uh we were talking about uh, disclosed mother tree age site tall. oh, well, uh 5 by the but we don't know what the on disgraced aside stories, but we will see beats of low cats. um,

what is the damage to you k foreign policy by the means of aging and you crying? because we seen the reduce inference, which is isaac king who is guessing in the wells are because of this pa. ready say, and we've seen that, but it's full structure to become more close to our told me just trying to under cause we have to look at it was, oh um, what have they adults in common with the crime because they, they told the defending sycold of all these all democratic values, but we, we know they've shut down opposition policies, they shut down opposition media and i've even shopped on the off of the church. well, i and anthony on top of it, it looks like they're going to cancel the next round of elections in the country. okay. you know, western values here. yeah. a, let's go back to under the inca in, in london. i, you know, one of the things that prep products is me so much here is a, how is this really,

in fact helping ukraine. you have millions and millions of people of fled the country. the country is g, d p is in a free fall, industrial capacity is almost 0 and they're, they're basically a welfare state or a, a client state of the west right now, i can see how this great effort to save you. crane is actually doing anything for the ukrainian people. and again, like i said already in this program, this conflict will in one day, but what will be left of the country go ahead in london, or will most likely when craig is going to be uh, dispatched, but um, it's obviously clear of its uh, the interest of the ukrainian people i know how to parts of finding out about how that how by the, the american, the lions is not so how i called by the ukranian leads themselves to plunder and pills from the economy. that was the modus operandi right from this

right from the beginning. it's always had an issue with corruption. a slightly off the 2014 to day to rather than the resolution of dignity was approve a tall. you had the, you know, the victory was always predicted, but the american, the almost optimism and the corporate power would infiltrate ukraine to give you my shock treatments and exploit that culture. so we know that sign language standing, the world that is happening in the dumbass, you have a situation where ukraine's been calling me has been totally, you know, has been considered really degraded and salty pride. despite this, suppose idea that you pray, wants to become more open, more modern, more west, and it's actually this actually regrets. the nice thing this uh,

a particular phase of the call because it is a phase, it then stops in february of 19 of 2022. and so it's been an ongoing high grateful river ministries, i mention with an economic dine making sure that any information on diamond. sure. and both, fortunately, each of the strands have no counts you crate out by really, so really for me to intimidate russia, put in a mind to the dogs, surely of russia, you're not doing any favorites to that country. we're using a for that role. similarly, when he comes to a, the economic solving is all about beginning about plunder as the one development of both states. this new phase of a special miniature ration of the russian intervention as being the introduction of the likes of black rock and roll. but essentially only be the,

well i well i'm going to go to our break gentleman, but i think hunter biting wasted the, you know, he was a, he let the path you know, he created, he was a play a trailblazer for all of this. you gentlemen, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on nato's illusions. stay with our to

the our brains are fascinating. they control everything from our ability to function, to experiencing emotion. in fact, your ability to understand what i'm saying to you right now comes down to the amazing functionality of your brain. and yes, there is still so much that we don't understand about how our minds work. so what happens when things go wrong up here? well, to find out the answers we came here to use, you know that us in speak with the john. here's one of the worlds for most of your surgeons utilizing state of the art technology and progressive techniques. the welcome back to prospect for all things are considered. non peter in the mail, to remind you we're discussing nato is the illusions the

ok. let's go back to garland and watch it, and if there's only if there's a silver lining in all of this, garland, this really dreadful situation is that nato has taken it upon itself to say this is ex, essential, it's to be or not to be. well, i'll take those odds. ok. i mean, if it's all in on ukraine, that's what going to make or break you. nato. i'll take that best. okay. and, and it's, and they've made this crazy been choice. we didn't have to do it okay with ukraine is of no strategic value whatsoever to the european union at all. okay. but they made it that way. so they mon garland as well. and what, what you've, i just identified is that the, the, the, the security, the necessities and needs of the european union do not align with the us empire, who are their political and you know, economic masters. so we have a contradiction between the leaders and those that are led. certainly to be quite frank,

it's obvious that russia's security needs aligns quite well with the european security needs. they have a border, they have trade, etc. the united states looks at it from a geo political perspective. how does the maintain power over both europe and russia? so part of the dynamic guy here, unfortunately, to the european union a can't and won't address, is that part of what the us empire is doing is, is to putting, is to ensure that you are in a position where they can't challenge the us on the world. stage economically, and they can't push back either diplomatically or politically they have to do with their told even though it's not in their best interest. and to me that's to be dynamic as, as is exposed by the north stream. it would seem bombing, yeah, yeah, which, you know, they, they, they couldn't find it in the united states. they can find pensioners with walkers and a wheelchair that were close to the capital on january 6th. but they don't know who

blow up the north stream pipelines. i think that's kind of interesting. anthony chang saying with it was something the garland had to say. what i think is really remarkable, that if you look at public opinion across the western world, this is this war in ukraine is an elite project. this is not a popular thing, i mean the media can, can, and parents and the powers that be all they want. but you know, they go to great lengths, the sensor, r t and other opposition and independent voices. it's not a popular face as an elite agenda and you can see it in germany. ok? you have, i don't need a better box. i don't care what my voters say, this is an elite agenda. go ahead in where they. all right, well, um, unfortunately, uh right, sorry, resolves even represented serious i members and um, uh, by a very interesting thing. probably not slack down uh, boss, we, we have got a problem where debate is big shot down. and if we had any device or tool,

uh it was very or, well, the argument small sir, i have uh, 4 nights i'd say to be involved in the crane. uh sorry. so it is a very sort of side situation. uh, the u. k prime industry just side, but so he wants to be involved in the reconstruction of the ukraine and that's a shaming and i will be something sold. are you trying to reconstruct all sort of time this card because it's already estimated for the costs of rebuilding a range of a certain number from $50000000000.00. and i had these all say, expect saying the k talk stats, we get involved pretty much. but because of course, the u. k. tax fast have software, i run the city because we would have all public sites strikes result by now. if the

money is being spent on putting people a raise more wage in the side, they have uh, spending money on move on growing in ukraine. and we've had a huge, a fax, like twice an interest rates at all. 4 percent since the government decided on the policies on your credit. ready russia, we've had a run just rising prices are of a fact. so energy costs which will continue to less of a problem with these opinions publish. ready mentioned is that you're on top of that. so if we actually have to write john, so is a direct questions. the, the opinions were big a lot of gains, the u. k. they involved on and also west of european countries. but the problem is, all of these countries are not actually in the interest of the citizens that might

give assistance pool. so support this war effort and has some strange. this cannot continue. at some stage, the citizens are going to say enough is enough. where where, where find out and uh while, while anthony, i'm a little more i'm may of more pessimistic on that because we saw what they did with cove with that and in many ways that was a dry run. so what you can do to, to do the locking people down quite literally and then locking down to bait. let's go back to our guest in london. it's already been mentioned on this part of the i think it's very interesting and they talk about reconstruction and no negotiation and all that. well, i mean, they always forget the other side of the equation is rushes interest. and so, since nato will, it will not recognize in russia has any security interest whatsoever. and it's been in europe and leaders have been to challenge about this. what about russia? russia has no interest either during this conflict in ukraine. well, that is a very, very dangerous thing to say, because it gives the, the,

the policy makers in the kremlin site, well, they weren't is going to do what weren't going to do, because there's nobody to talk to see. this whole approach is, is so a dangerous for, for a piece on the continent and maybe whitening the war. but if you're not going to willing negotiating and get a talk, then the company is gonna end when russia says it's over, go ahead in london. yes, i think uh, it's already been reviewed. it says it's the, the, you're pnc it is. i don't actually the interest of the people of this refusal by the us of the west not to recognize russia's interests more as a so facia loan to a good match. so, but something that is more all in compasses that involves your swell. right? um, it's very sad and unfortunate. i think the basis of a security architecture in europe was missed in the need. it altima softly and do

not be onto logical cold war. but that's a kind of the more realistic time that would be to recognize mutual economic and security interests. and not to play this game. this power, this power came off trying to subjugate the power, such as russia, which really is going to be assigned to this thing. and it's something that, but it's obviously, it's ultimate conclusion, would be a doomsday scenario. one hopes that it may seem like this will something, not a apparent and therefore rising o realistic in the rising. but what really need is here to break the spend is about being a european leaders of a stronger fiber who could actually present the case as they did perform a time in history that they recognized rushes legitimate interest. whether it was

a soviet stage or post soviet state that had almost completely changed. and there's nobody in the euro sceptic jeremy, for with that phrase. and that's a methodology originates for all these nobody whose personal ties in that, that's the, you need to guarantee every body's a security interest using was states against another is simply not the states states. crowe is actually very, very, yeah, well, what, what is what has happened here is garlan. what we heard from, i guess in london is spot on is that you have this with the nato expansion to the east. it's as great as center of gravity has moved east as well. so you have countries like poland and you have the baltic. republics. they're the ones that are tilting the scales more. we the old europe, you know, germany and france, you know, where they can get. this is where your p and security was anchored. they've been sidelines of allowed themselves to be silent. i mean,

i don't call them chance or shields. i call them sergeant schultz. i mean, this guy that you know, he would need to think of them with a great chancellor as jeremy's had since the 2nd world war. this guy is a dwarf. i mean it's, it's incredible to watch these people denigrate their own political stability and disregard and holding contempt that are electorate go ahead. garland yes. and what they don't realize, uh, also is that this attracts the view of your, from the world, the one of the rabbits on africa, the middle east, latin america, most of the world is gravitating towards the russian. this conflict is not just because of the history of colonialism from the, from the european powers. that's certainly a factor. but as the, the, the world leaders look at the effect listed as of the european leaders today. and they look at their vassal inches towards um, towards the united states. they have no respect for them. they, they have,

they have gained over spectrum around the world and traditional societies, we have respect is very important, particularly for leaders. yeah. look at these people and some of the cultural craziness that they're trying to influence to, to enforce. and they say, we just don't want any parts of this will go with a more traditional society that at least has some, has some for some respect for itself. and who means what it says and says what it means of like other other than the, the european, vast ways, but just double talkers and spend and say what they're told by the, by the administration. yeah, anthony. i mean, i'm glad this has brought up cars because it's a something that i've been watching very closely. and this is a says, a societal conflict. there's a set of civilization on that. russian represents a civilization that is antithetical in the minds of the people in the west and, and this is one of the reasons why they despise russia, is a conservative place. go ahead, anthony. i think more more people in the united kingdom and western europe realizing bread so might be russia,

has more bodies and chatting with people is the thoughts about burden i told by the government. so the closer i share it as a democratic country, i pictured country which was a uh like the united kingdom it sense of the face. uh so um, i think of some sage height for the people wake up and realize that the bank tied to a loss of propaganda. but we have to look at this reputation issue because the reputation of value to the america and the united kingdom. when dow, not one, that's a great big trial to 26000000 ask guns when they did that cycle deal with the projectile with the tyler and yet, but it pays to base or they could have got involved with the crime. now i have to jump in here gentlemen, we've run out of time. we've had

a fascinating discussion. i want to thank my guest in washington where they and in london. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. a next time, remember across the rules, the or oh the what else shows they just don't have to shape out the application and engagement because the trail when so many find themselves will support, we choose to look so common ground the

the russian foreign minister says most girls can have no dealings with the west as long as it supports the trains, policies of targets in russian, civilian people, raleigh, and long. that in protest against the government supplying depleted uranium shelves to peers of the poland records, the radiation spiked following the reported destruction of a depleted uranium on stuff pub enabling ukraine. casual position can save him all place to where we're close. presidents are defined as quote falsely to inform us it is not true that to remain in power. we look at numerous obligations and counts the claims of a week. the election of what that they mean must protest itself on the horizon. and