in about 45 percent. so guess what the runoff will take place? the 28th of may. how about the news coordinator of the stop by newspaper believes, if it was western john list being detained, they would have been a very different of reaction around the world. it shouldn't, it should we certainly jump by care. now this operation against journalists in the name of freedom and democracy, one of the most important countries with the largest economy in europe, has once again shown that it's a democracy in name only. as a journalist, i'm scared to go to germany. i'm also scared that i may be arrested there. unfortunately, the german state, which is very concerned about the political relations that have recently developed between turkey and russia, is currently increasing pressure on the turks. unfortunately, the western press is under siege because they cannot write anything that contradicts the policy determined by the european union and the united states. if german reporters were arrested in turkey, a journalist from all over europe would protest against that. the european union,

especially germany and the united states, will argue that there are no human rise in turkey. yeah, there is no democracy there. the director young is a dictator that he's an autocrat. but when germany does the same thing, as you see, nothing happens, no one makes a sound here at all. so that's an option. we're keeping a very close watch on the presidential elections and talk to you. and of course, that help on the run off that will be on the 28th of may and precisely, 9 days on special coverage will be happening. the

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hold up schultz is not that bright and he isn't even worth german chancellor. though he is self aware enough to understand and acknowledge some nation c double standards on russia. neo colonial thinking. it would seem dice hard, the cross saki me international order. i'm joined by my guess, john rule in washington. he is a geo political journalist in liverpool. we have peter ford. he is a former british and bassett, or 2 by rein and syria. and in vienna. we cross alexander markovich. he has had to be so border of institute in vienna, hard gentleman crosstalk roles and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate peter. let me go to you 1st and liverpool. i mentioned the german chancellor. i referred to him as sergeant schultz. i'd like to relate what he said in the last few days when i talked to. so when i talked to leaders from these countries, many assured me that they are not questioning the underlying principles of our

international order. what they are struggling with is the an equal application of these principles. well, he's a really bright guy cause that to all of us been saying for years and he says it out loud. and that is the problem here we have, we have the international community, which is not only including the wes questioning this rules based order states. it's out the west makes the rules and it orders everyone around and, and this is an untenable situation. and the, the, it's all pivoting around ukraine at this moment, go ahead peter and livable. and frankly, there is no respect any longer for international law. instead of the western powers of substitute this notion and the rule, the space for that, which translates it means that or does the mandate on everybody else. and when you push some of you as well, which, which rules actually are you following?

yet they really have no response. because the, this course is simply to say do what we tell you to do an internationally got together the count no longer for anything. and this is why a tool where there's been values has now less credibility and why the global cell doesn't want to hear any more about rules space or the. well, exactly, peter, if i'm go to you in washington, i mean it is, it's just not international law. it's actually a civilizational difference to, i mean we, the western western countries are so out of touch with how the rest of the world actually thinks and act and their aspirations as well. and so as for exporting their so called values, which i'm from the west,

and i don't adhere to those values, the global south them and the global majority, they find it very alienating. and why should they follow of the west, the west, or the former colonial b o rulers over them. and they know exactly what western dig tap can come of. go ahead, john or? yeah, i think the west has been really surprised by the, the global south reluctance to target. right. so for the warranty crane um, you know, obviously it's different across the global south, which is a diverse group of dozens and dozens of the countries and within the global south as well. what i think the, the west has been very shocked by the global south reluctance to join them with sanctions and all of the other measures taken against russia. and i think that was a bit of reality cool for a lot of policy makers in the west. well, alexandra, in, in vienna, one of the things i find very curious is that it's,

it's interesting how the global south, the global majority, i like global majority. not only do they disrespect is peter is pointed out here. they're not as afraid of the west as they used to be, because they have their own assets, their own international institutions, and their own. a foreign policies. i mean, one of the best examples is how china in this, the calendar year is stepped up and dealt with issues between saudi arabian iran has proposed a platform for a peace process and ukraine. oh, that's coming from the global south. it's not coming from the west. alexander. so yeah, this is totally correct. and i guess the reason is of the global self actually results from the new institutions congress like russia, china, but also referral in india, build up during the last case. like, for example,

the british swans or the shanghai corporation organization. before we had the so called dream page international on up to west, which was basically a uni paula dictate mission or wants to global. and it was try to dictate everyone, what do you have to do and to show the status, then in the rock and libya, what happens if you don't follow his orders? and this will actually the result. the reason why, for example, russia's better had of the concept of multiple walls and gardens together were under the congress of the global saw like china, brazil, india, to actually establish the different kind of world order, where all the different utilize the issues are respected and where it's not live in the west to do any photo on a while. you can only follow western civilization, and if you are not western,

you are something below is human. and i guess this is the reason why not all the global solve is stronger than ever. and if you look at the economic data, of course, the brakes are slowly but sadly, also mentioned that she 7 states. yep. and this means that the future will be multiple out that it will be much more a split of global sauce, and to much less a degree, by the way, quote, well peter, you know, we hear this rule space daughter thing. i mean, i've made many programs about it because it's, it's so hypocritical and so nonsensical and actually very, very dangerous here. but really, this is a cover for it and maintaining handles stuff in virtue signaling and you know, uh, as long as it takes off all of this, getting a babbling. but it's actually about maintaining had gemini. and this is what makes that very dangerous, because the hedge bond doesn't give up easily. peter, it is indeed

a hedge on it. let's say we went for an economic expo. the rat was the fashion, though it weighed more more by economic means. and the main method is sanctions. most the sanctions, the operating in the world today do not have un approval. they all googly illegal, wrecking un approval and, and indeed have been condemned by a person that would prove that at the united nations. the sanctions on, on syria are a particular case in point the united states and its allies practicing sanctions against period could be taken to the international court of justice on charges of collective punishment. because the sanctions country to the misleading

claims of the with the fact the growth population. and this is sanctions. when quin uh comes sometimes back fire. this is happened in the gulf when you ran retaliated when in 2019 on the pressure from the united states. when united states navy, within that thing, uranium oil shipments and the name of the unilateral sanctions, italians were re retaliated by reportedly hinting on saudi oil refinery. yep. and this is a template tool moments and very kindly at this particular juncture. now with these breaking out between these 2 important members of the global majority, you ran and saudi arabia and saudi arabia realized at that point in time, that being an hour i am the united states was not an advantage, but

a disadvantage. yep. well, have here and later, look at what the saudis and what the saudis found out is all the expensive military trinkets that they bought from america doesn't protect them. okay. the patriot missiles don't work. okay. they're not working in ukraine either. john, it's an interesting thing bringing up sanctions because it's really just that you can always divide the world in a lot of different ways. but there's one way that's really quite interesting. you can divide the world up countries that are under sanctioned by the united states or countries and by military hardware from the united states. that's a very interesting division right there. and the sanction museum says at all, because you have to be afraid more of the us treasury department than the defense department. go ahead, john or i. yeah, absolutely. and i think uh, what we've seen with these sections is that russia is not like north korea or, or even around where i can try and sanction those countries. but russia is far too big for that. and i think you've seen the backlash toward the,

with things like the dollar i zation initiatives, right. and other things that just reactions to the west and imposition of sanctions and the kind of willingness of much of the world to go along with them. and so you say these things like the dollarization and other things, they got steam because one rush is just too big to sanction the same way that the west is used to with other countries. and that it's just a popular thing to do right now because of russia's role in the global economy and it's, it's a connectedness with much of your asia. so, so i think, uh, the backlash is natural and it will probably meet increase quite well. alexander in vienna, i mean it kind of bucks the trend here. i actually liked the sanctions because i want russia and the global south to move away from the west, from their toxic financial institutions. they're coersion, it's time to move away from it. it may be painful, but i think it's it's,

it's the right direction. 30 seconds to my friend and we'll come back to you after the break. go ahead. alexander. yeah, absolutely correct. and i guess it's the best, the global soften dresser. and there toxic relationship with the with because unfortunately, the car in western global is leadership is in so far um, same as the still the lease and wisdom supremacy over the rest of the world. they release that down, well, use our superior to all the auto welders, and all the other civilizations. okay, i got, i have to interrupt you, we have to go to a hard break. we're going to come back to here. i'm going to, we're going to go with a short break, and after about short break, we'll continue our discussion on the international border save with our to the

russian states. never as, as tight as i'm one of the most sense key and the best. most all sense and the same assistance as being the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin move. yep. mission, the state on the rush, putting s r t spoke neck. even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the student services for the question, did you say they replaced the

oh, when i was sure they just don't receive how it comes to attic and engagement it close the trails when so many find themselves boils apart we choose to look so common ground the the welcome back across the top where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle to remind you were discussing the international order. the ok, let's go back to alexandria in van and before we, i'm, i'm sorry, i had to cut you up. we had to go to a hard break. but you said something in your to respond to so far is fascinated me . but you bring up a civilization and this is something the west has since be with

a one size fits all the world needs to be recreated in the, in the west, the image because god's dad of course. and so basically they're the new gods. they are the new deity, but it's very interesting when you say, when i look at when we look at the relationship. but china and russia have, with the ran a, a, with a country is an advocate. they're all different civilizations and they're trying to find a harmony, a synchronization it is. it's built on more than western values, which you put to me are completely fake alexander to yeah, i absolutely agree. the problem is that the west field tries to impose its well use on all the other civilizations around the globe and that you still believe that she's the only civilization. but of course, this is not true. you also have to rush in your ration civilization. got the training and civilization and media and civilization and many more. and i guess the most important aspect of the upcoming multiple order,

which is now spare habits by russia and china, is that we come back to the agreements that they are wherever you civilizations around the globe. instead they all need to be respected in their values. and that you are not allowed on an international level through um simply um a scream officer um, all the other civilizations around and tell them what they have to do. i know it gets put away. this is very good in the car, in the political costs of the west to simply insanity. and when you realize that to get some less besides by the other civilizations and passed through on come to its own term and maybe also think about its own role in the walls. maybe the west can come back to its senses and become an almost civilization among all the other civilization. well, that's a, that's an interesting prospect. i think you have to have a reckoning before we even get close to that and, and,

and it brings everybody else down in the process here. you know, peter, one of the ones that we'd be interested in care of through is that we have on the international sites as joseph burrell, which he is, you know, i, i've never come across a leading, quote, unquote politician. that self owns himself. every time he opens his mouth, because i'm sure you remember his call of comments about the garden, but the west is the garden and everybody else has the jungle again, you know, he, dyslexia is it said the quiet and park outside. that is exactly how these a leads, these new liberal leads, few about the rest of the world. it just a jungle. we have to reform them and you know what? the global south, they're making games here and they're listening to these before is talk like this. they're not serious people, i mean, burrell, go ahead, peter. yes, the grill was language to give us the game away. this has been neo colonial mindset

. speaking with the calm defection towards the rest of the well the the, the americans and europeans pride themselves on what they, they can. ready with so how do i know that cultural included this time is also a give away how, what is all about exercising power over? i'll do that and if it's not just the gap and universities and capitalism and, but they smuggle in all the values. so whole values within the 1st 2, which is subset of and to the west and power themselves. um and uh, they found a lot of success the years in recent decade. we actually many of the russians who saw how that fled russia in the last 2

years and good reading. so i would say to a film called of the but china, i need also to be careful that it is not corrupted by this element of width and power. well i, i, you took the words out of my mouth. i mean i, i could make a separate program on, on how western so called values have infiltrated russian. how people struggle with it. it is a struggle and it is not a done deal. you have to mean there is a 5th column here. um, though their, their level of influence has gone wayne considerably since the conflict and you'd write down, let me, it looks like we can talk about ukraine here because again, this kind of western air, again, some one of the things that, i mean i can't even count the number of programs i've made about ukraine since the start of this special military operation. but the vocabulary of the west is always force and subjugation. they never talk about peace. and that's the problem john. yeah, i think uh, you know,

over the last 2 years i think it is reflected about the internal political, the areas of the u. s. square, and you'd be the win or lose. and there's no middle ground snow of peace initiative because it's sort of in that times more you have to win or you have to lose. and there has to be a clear winner and a clear lose. and so the idea that you have to suffice until that is clear, i think, is very slow and um and it has led to a big increase in violence. um and so i don't think the, the desire for peace is in the west right now because like i said, someone's going to win and someone has to lose. and they may, many people would like to see rush or lose a. so, you know, they're going to keep supporting and you crying and giving weapons to ukraine to ensure that the war is, goes on until ukraine is in

a position of the west. feels that they can win. but i don't think we'll ever get to that. so yeah, i think, i don't think they'll be much of a ukraine last. ok. i mean, it's really quite extraordinary about nato. is it not? is not even involved in the conflict? well, yeah, i mean, it, ukraine is being, is slowly but surely being devastated. and at what cost to the united states? well, just printing money. okay. alexander, one of the things, you know, i, i could remember months before the start of the complex on this program that has been deleted from youtube. i told everyone a conflict is coming. and there's an easy way out, it was something that was agreed upon in the 19 seventy's, the indivisibility of security. that's where you need to start, that will solve the complex right away. every country has a right to security. the west denies russia security. and since it will not talk about peace will not recognize security,

the war will continue alexander. this is um, yeah, absolutely correct. if the problem of the west is that its own, still striving on for it to lockman funny in boston and the nature of the inbox from the european union. but when he doesn't realize that even western civilization as fathers. and unfortunately, the west doesn't want to realize that that's the reason why russia was actually forced to show to west its own borders, to show, to west its place. and this is the reason why this conflict actually existence is not because um, roches one longer ring, but because the way itself unprovoked russian to a certain degree that it has. and it didn't have any other choice than just the year. and the treachery just conflict in your brain is actually the result of western regression, which didn't start in 2022, but already in 2014 thing. and uh,

i guess the best thing would be if the web, what's become finely reasonable and um, listen to the wife has a piece, which of course also exists inside west feed. um, the more passages the glass on the populous brides which i want to make peace and um and this, um, crazy conflict. and i guess it's about the way to answer this conflict then now the bald russia because the aggression clearly comes from the west side. yeah. well, peter is because of the way the international order was designed, particularly after they'd be under the cold war. it had in the the west had no checks and balances. and when a hedge, yvonne has no checks and balances, it makes really out outrages decisions a rack of syria, libya, there's no checks, and now there is ukraine. is the crucible, it's a check. okay? and this is something the west cannot recognize because they, the history is linear for them. they're, they're really, you know, they, they, they, they, they ultimate victory, b, b,

the entire world will look like the west. well, that's not going to happen. that's a delusion. and ukraine is paying the price, peter that, that's right. and the peoples of the west have 15 gray more strongly and nice be from the pool here, a 60 which with most recently the, the, your edition home comcast, which was an all g o g of ukraine or failure. it was grotesque and shaming for the city of liverpool, which i love. but this is symptomatic. there is only one narrative committee and in most of the country is of the, of the, with the peoples of brain life. there is no policy in the past with well, issues like getting uh, a rack that were big and he will talk to this does not exist anymore. we called

also democracy. the only choice is between a pepsi and coke. yep. you know, a job be a, um you look very useful, its a compliments you know, but i to, i obviously remember the origins of the iraq war and then afterwards say, oh, we don't, we will never make that mistake again. you know, we, you know, we're, we'll be very careful. we won't be, we won't follow the, the powers, it'd be, this is a 100, a 1000 times where it says peter just said, go ahead joe. or i yeah, and i think the rest of the was a very much vividly remembers the lead up to the iraq war, the whole global war on terror, which is still ongoing. you in many areas. i mean, we only just got out of afghanistan and not even 2 years ago. so to have this, there's no, you know, blind slight that the west feels it has and they have all this moral rights or

moral uh, no. right to impose themselves on the rest of the world. so i think you know what the memory of the rock was still in very much the rest of the world's mind. i think just and all pushed back against the west of narratives in ukraine. yeah, well it didn't me well if you have control all the levers of power, social media and all of it is easy just to deep 6 down the rabbit hole history, even history, that wasn't that long ago gentleman. that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guest and watch it in liverpool and indiana. and of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz, the next time. remember prospect rules the,

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