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comment on this issue without a very broad green or even a smile because it's just a clownish gesture on the part of the most extreme right. member of the coalition who always uh, come up with some outland dish ideas. it has nothing to do with the real lives in israel now and uh, you know, a 2 people stand 20 feet at font waiving the play and the 3rd president comes over . but spencer, for use the policeman. we're going to arrest them. obviously this is not enforceable. just drug patient, just another street in the face of speech loving people. um either a police geniune always really. but nevertheless, what um is the earliest i can do is booked up the 2 flex together. if
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they have a sort of an envelope where the police geniune and these really flags offline, who's going to take down this double flag, which includes these riley one. so there are many ways to bypass base mockery of legislation or investors about rubbing out this program for now. here on off the international it from all of us here at the us international headquarters in most go a such a haven't even us friendship, a share of your time with us. you can catch up with all of us story that all c dot com, but also any number of telegrams. for the meantime, the, [000:00:00;00]
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the, the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. hold up schultz is not that bright, and he is an even worse german chancellor. though he is self aware enough to understand and acknowledge some nations the double standards on russia, neo colonial thinking. it would seem dice hard, the cross document international order. i'm joined by my guess, john rule in washington. he is a geo political journalist in liverpool. we have peter ford. he is a former british and bassett, or to bahrain and syria. and in vienna. we cross alexander markovich. he has had to be so bought off institute in vienna. hard gentleman, cross sack rolls, and in fact, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate peter. let me go to you. first in liverpool,
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i mentioned the german chancellor. i refer to them as sergeant schultz. i'd like to relate what he said in the last few days when i talked to. so when i talked to leaders from these countries, many assure me that they're not questioning the underlying principles of our international order. what they are struggling with is the an equal application of these principles. wow. he's a really bright guy because that's a all of us been saying for years and he says it out loud. and that is the problem here we have, we have the international community, which is not only including the wes questioning this rules based order. it's a to the west makes the rules and orders everyone around and, and this is an untenable situation. and really, it's all pivoting around, ukraine at this moment, go ahead peter, and livable. and frankly, there is no respect any longer for international law. instead of the western powers have substituted this motion and the rules of space for that,
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which translates it may, is the full goods that mandates on everybody else. and when you push some of us, well, which, which rule that truly all we following here? they really have no response because this cause is simply to say do what we tell you to do an internationally got the guy that feed count no longer for anything. and this is why a tool could where been values has now less credibility and why the global cell doesn't bother here any more about rules space for the. well, exactly, peter, if i can go to you in washington, i mean it is, it's just not international law. it's actually a civilizational difference to, i mean we, the western western countries are so out of touch with how the rest of the world
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actually thinks and act and their aspirations as well. and so as for exporting their so called values, which i'm from the west, and i don't adhere to those values, the global south and the global majority, they find it very alienating. and why should they follow of the west, the west, or the former colonial b o rulers over them. and they know exactly what western dig tap can come a go ahead john. a. yeah, i think the west has been really surprised by the, the global south reluctance to target. right. so for the warranty crane i'm, you know, obviously it's different across the global south, which is a diverse group of dozens and dozens of the countries and within the global south as well. but i think the, the west has been very shocked by the global south reluctance to join them with sanctions and
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a lot of the other measures taken against russia. and i think that was a bit of a reality cool score of. ready policy makers in the west? well, alexandra, in, in vienna, one of the things i find very curious is that it's, it's interesting how the global south of global majority, i like global majority. not only do they disrespect, as peter is pointed out here, they're not as afraid of the west as they used to be, because they have their own assets, their own international institutions, and their own. a foreign policies. i mean, one of the best examples is how china in this calendar year is stepped up and dealt with issues between saudi radian, iran has proposed a platform for a peace process and ukraine called that's coming from the global south. it's not coming from the west. alexander, so yeah, this is totally correct. and i guess the reason is of the global saw
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actually results from the new institutions congress like russia, china, but also referral in yet filled up during the last case. like, for example, the biggest one is all the shanghai corporation organization bar we had on this so called roommate international on up to west, which was basically a uni paula dictate mission or on the global or the west. try to dictate everyone, what do you have to do and to show just doing a scan this done in iraq and libya. what happens if you don't follow his orders? and this will actually the result. the reason why, for example, russia's fair had is the concept of multiple walls and gardens together with honor the congress of the global south, like china, brazil, india, to actually establish a different kind of world order, where all the different utilize the issues are respected. and where it's not like
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in the west to do any photo on a while, you can only follow western civilization. and if you are not western, you are something below is human. and i guess this is the reason why not all the global solve is stronger than ever. and if you look at the economic data, of course, the brakes are slowly but sadly optim actually did she 7 states. yep. and this means that the future will be multiple out that it will be much more a split of global sauce, and to much less the degree. by the way it's quote. well peter, you know, we hear this rules based order thing. i mean, i've made many programs about it because it's, it's so hypocritical and so nonsensical and actually very, very dangerous here. but really, this is a cover for cont, uh, maintaining had gemini, that's what it really is all about. i mean, you can throw all the cultural stuff in virtue signaling and you know, uh, as long as it takes off all of this good,
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a babbling. but it's actually about maintaining had gemini, and this is what makes it very dangerous, because the hedge bond doesn't give up easily. peter, it is indeed the hedge on it. let's say we went for an economic expo. the rack uh was the fashion now is to weigh more more by, you know, make meetings. and the main method is sanctions. most the sanctions, the operating in the world today do not have you an approval. they all googly illegal, wrecking un approval and, and indeed have been condemned by the person that would prove that at the united nations. the sanctions on, on syria are a particular case in point the united states and its allies practicing
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sanctions against syria could be taken to the international court of justice on charges of collective punishment. because the sanctions country to the misleading claims of the west effect broiled population. and this is sanctions, wicker and uh, can sometimes back flat. uh, this is happened in the gulf when he ran and retaliated when in 2019, on the pressure from the united states. when united states navy, within that thing, uranium oil shipments and the name of the unilateral sanctions italians were we retaliated by reportedly hinting on saudi oil refinery. yep. and this is a template tool moment and very timely at this particular juncture. now with these
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breaking out between these 2 important members of the global majority, you ran and saudi arabia's saudi arabia realized at that point in time, that being an hour of the united states was not an advantage or disadvantage. yep. well, head here in and later look at what the saudis has and what the saudis found out is all the expensive military trinkets that they bought from america. it doesn't protect them. ok. the patriot missiles don't work. okay. they're not working in ukraine either. john, it's an interesting thing bringing up sanctions because it's really just so you can always divide the world in a lot of different ways. but there's one way that's really quite interesting. you can divide the world up countries that are under sanctioned by the united states or countries and by military hardware from the united states. that's a very interesting division right there. and the sanction museum says at all, because you have to be afraid more of the us treasury department than the defense department. go ahead, john. i yeah, absolutely. and i think uh,
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what we've seen with these services is that russia is not like north korea or, or even around where i can try and sanction those countries. but russia is far too big for that. and i think you've seen the backlash towards the, with things like the dollar i zation initiatives. right. and other things that just reactions to the western imposition of sanctions and the kind of willingness of much of the world to go along with them. and so you say these things like the dollar as ation and other things they got steam because one rush is just too big to sanction the same way that the west is used to with other countries. and that it's just a popular thing to do right now. because of russia's role in the global economy and it's, it's a connectedness with much of your asia. so, so i think, uh, the backlash is natural, and it will probably meet increase qual,
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alexander in vienna. i mean, it kind of bucks the trend here. i actually like the sanctions because i want russia and the global south to move away from the west, from their toxic financial institutions. they're coersion. it's time to move away from it. it may be painful, but i think it's a, it's, it's the right direction. 30 seconds to my friend and we'll come back to you after the break. go ahead, alexander a. no, absolutely correct. and i guess it's the best, the global soften dresser and their toxic relationship with the with because unfortunately, the current western global leadership is in so far on the same as they still believe been wisdom supremacy over the rest of the world. they release that down, well, use our superior to all the other well years and all the other civilizations. okay, i got i have to interrupt it. we have to go to a hard break. we're going to come back to here. i'm going to, we're going to go with a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the international border save with our to
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the, the russian states. never as tight as i'm sort of the most sense community. not getting hold of all sense and up the in the system must be the one else holes. question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin machine, the state on russia to day and split the ortiz smooth neck, keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube, the payment services for the question, did you say stephen twist,
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which is the type of acceptance and i'm here to plan with you. whatever you do, you do not watch much and yourself seriously. why watch something that's so different listed of opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please or do have the state department to see i a weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. change and whatever you do. don't want my shell stay main street because i'm probably going to make you, i'm comfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again, you probably don't wanna watch it because it might just change the way you say. welcome back across the top where all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle to
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remind you were discussing the international order. the ok, let's go back to alexandria in van and before we, i'm, i'm sorry, i had to cut you off. we had to go to a hard break. but you said something in your 2 responses so far as fascinated me. but you bring up a civilization and this is something the west has since be within one size fits all . the world needs to be recreated in the, in the west, the image because got instead of course. and so basically they're the new gods. they are the new deity, but it's very interesting when you say, when i look at when we look at the relationship. but china and russia have, with the ran a, with a countries an advocate, they're all different civilizations. and they're trying to find a harmony, a synchronization, but it is, it's built on more than western values, which to me are completely fake. alexander to yeah,
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i absolutely agree. the problem is that the west field tries to impose its well use on all the other civilizations around the globe, and that is still the lease that she's the only civilisation. but of course, this is not true. you also have to rush in your ration civilization. got the chinese civilization and media and civilization and many more. and i guess the most important aspect of the upcoming multiple order, which is now spearheaded by russia and china, is that we come back to the agreements that they are wherever you know, civilizations around the globe. instead they all need to be respected in their values. and that you are not allowed on an international level through um simply um the schoolmaster um, all the other civilizations around and tell them what they have to do. i know it
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gets put away. this is wary um goods since um the current political cause of the west to simply send it to you and when you realize that it gets um left besides by the other civilizations and has to um come to its own time. and um, maybe also think about its own role in the walls. maybe the west can come back to its senses and become a normal civilization among all the other civilization. well, that's a, that's an interesting prospect. they think you have to have a reckoning before we even get close to that and, and brings everybody else down in the process here. you know, peter, one of the, one of that we'd be interested in character is that we have on the international sites as joseph burrell, which he is, you know, i, i've never come across the leading, quoting pol, politician itself owns himself every time he opens his mouth because i'm sure you remember his call um, comments about the garden that the west is the garden and everybody else has the jungle. again, you know, he, dyslexia is inside the quiet and park outside that is exactly how these
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a leads these new liberal lead spiel about the rest of the world. it's just a jungle and we have to reform them and you know what? the global south. they're making games here and they're listening to these. the phones talk like this. they're not serious people. i mean, bureau go ahead peter. yes, the grill was language to give us the game away which has been neo colonial mindset . speaking with the calm defense and towards the rest of the well the, the, the americans and europeans pride themselves on what they call. ready the saw how now that cultural input and this time is also a give away how, what is all about exercising power over? i'll do that and if it's not just the gap and
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universities and capitalism and the but they smuggle in all the values. so old values with it for us to which is subset of and to the west and power themselves. and they've had a lot of success the years in recent decades. we actually, many of the russians who saw how the flat russia in the last 2 years. and good reading, so i would say to a 5th called of the but china, i need also to be careful that it is not corrupted by this element of west and our as well. i, i, you took the words out of my mouth. i mean i, i can make a separate program on, on how western so called values have infiltrated russian. how people struggle with it. it is a struggle and it is not a done deal. yeah, i mean, there is a 5th column here, though their,
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their level of influence has gone wayne considerably since the conflict. and you can write down, let me, let's, we can, we can talk about ukraine here because again, this kind of western air, again, some one of the things that, i mean, i can't even count the number of programs i've made about ukraine since the start of this special military operation, but the vocabulary of the west is always force and subjugation. they never talk about peace. and that's the problem john. yeah, i think uh, you know, over the last few years i think it is reflected about the internal political in areas of the u. s. square. and you'd be looking at a window to lose and there's no middle ground snow of peace initiative because it's sort of in that times more you have to win or you have to lose. and there has to be a clear winner and a clear lose. and so the idea that you have to slice, and so that is clear, i think it is very slow and um and it has led to begin increasing violence.
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and so i don't think the, the desire for peace is in the west right now, because like i said, someone's going to win and someone has to lose. and they may, many people would like to see rush or lose a. so, you know, they're going to keep supporting you crying and giving weapons to ukraine to ensure that the war is, goes on until ukraine is in a position of the west. feels that they can win. but i don't think we'll ever get to that. so yeah, i think, i don't think they'll be much of a ukraine last. ok. i mean, it's really quite extraordinary about nato. is it not? is not even involved in the conflict? well, yeah, i mean you did to ukraine is being it slowly but surely being devastated. and um, uh at what cost to the united states. well, just printing money. okay. alexander, one of the things, you know, i,
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i could remember months before the start of the complex on this program that has been deleted from youtube. i told everyone a complex is coming. and as an easy way out, it was something that was agreed upon in the 19 seventy's, the indivisibility of security. that's where you need to start, that will solve the complex right away. every country has a right to security. the west denies russia security. and since it will not talk about peace will not recognize security, the war will continue alexander. this is um or yeah, absolutely correct. cuz the problem most of west is that it's um, still strongly non forwarded to lockman funny in boston. and the nature of the inbox from the european union, but what he doesn't realize that even western civilization as fathers. and unfortunately, the west doesn't want to realize that that's the reason why russia was actually forced to show that when its own model is to show the west its place. and this is
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the reason why this conflict actually existence is not because russia is one longer ring, but because the way itself unprovoked russia to a certain degree that it has. and it didn't have any other choice than just the year. and the tractor huge conflict in your brain is actually the result of western regression, which didn't start in 2022, but already in 2014 page. and uh, i guess the best thing would be if the web, what's become finally reasonable. and um, listen to the wife as a piece, which of course also exists inside the west. eat on the more passages the glass on the populace price, which i want to make peace and um and this um, crazy conflict. and i guess it's about the, when to answer is conflict then. now the bald russia because the aggression really comes from the west side. yeah. well peter is because of the way the international
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order was designed, particularly after the end of the cold war. it had the, the west had no checks and balances. and when a hedge yvonne has no checks and balances, it makes really out outrages decisions. uh, a rack. uh syria. olivia, there's no check and now there is ukraine. is the crucible. it's a check. okay. and this is something the west cannot recognize because they, they, history is linear for them they're, they're really, you know, they, they, they, they, they ultimate victory, b, b, the entire world will look like the west. well, that's not going to happen. that's a delusion. and ukraine is paying the price, peter, i said, that's right. and the peoples of the west have been brainwashed, really nicely from the pool here. uh, i think the which, which most recently uh the, the, your edition home comcast, which was an all g o g of ukraine. oh, really?
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uh it was gross task and shaming for the city. i live a pool which i love. but this is symptomatic, um there is only one narrative committee and most of the country is of the, of the where the peoples of brain life. there is no policy in the past with well, issues like getting uh, a rack that with big mt will apply to. this does not exist anymore. we called, oh so it's democracy. the only choice is between a pepsi and coke. yep. you know, a job be a, um you look very useful. it's a compliment, you know, but i to, i obviously remember the origins of the iraq war and then afterwards say, oh, we know, we will never make that mistake again. you know, we, you know, we're, we'll be very careful. we won't be, we won't follow the, the powers, it'd be, this is a 100 a 1000 times worse, as peter just said, go ahead, joe. and uh, yeah,
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and i think the rest of the was a very much vividly remembers of the lead up to the iraq war, the whole global war on terror, which is still ongoing. you in many areas. i mean, we only just got out of afghanistan, not even 2 years ago. so to have this, there's no you why slight that the west feels it has and they have all this moral rights or moral uh no. right to impose themselves on the rest of the world. so i think you know what the memory of the rock was still in very much the rest of the world's mind doesn't exist. and i'll push that against the west and narratives . ukraine. yeah, well it, it, me, well, if you have control all the levers of power, social media and all of it is easy just to deep 6 down the rabbit hole history, even history, that wasn't that long ago gentlemen. that's all the time we have. i want to thank
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my guess and watch it in liverpool and in vienna. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. and next time and remember prospect pools. the, the 1934 prance invaded algeria and straight away the french started inhabiting it to strengthen their position. the column is known as the new wires, took the best land. from day one, the local population was put into an unequal position and was briefly exploited. these cause mazda is going then,
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the people of l. g area began their long term bite brain defendants. in 1954, the banner of freedom was raised by the national liberation front. a guerrilla war against the occupants broke out. the french tried to suppress, to rebuild you and using cruel measures. whole villages were wiped out packs of georgia and executions of civil people, including pregnant women, children, and old people took place more than 2000000 people were born into concentration camps. however, these punitive measures didn't help. cl, jerry and patriot managed to induce france besides these negotiations in 1962 heavy and the guards were signed footing l, jerry, on the bass towards the independence. but this was achieved at a colossal price. algeria by rights is considered to be a country of martyrs. according to the calculations of historians,
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the french colonists are responsible for the debts of one and a half 1000000 algerians. the top headlines right now and i'll show you the national as one civilian is killed and full wounded as a supermarket, a poplin that even a children's playground in von and bass come under ukrainian shelley as always, all the remains on the front line. this is a residential area around me, a recall with broke, there was no military presence here. many of the children that use this playground would have been born off the 2014, so they will know nothing but war. that's what russian security chief claims. traces of radiation, they're currently drifting towards western europe,

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