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is at least this at this stage, it doesn't look like the warranty plan is going to end any time soon. will it be so dangerous? why are you advocating what we should act as done this week? said that f. 16 training. i don't know whether you advocate to have 16 will planes to zalinski. you're advocating more a tailoring, more ammunition visit landscaping, so dangerous. why do you want that? because i think that the ukrainians are determined to launch an offensive. they have a moral and legal right to take it back as much of their territory as they can. and i think we should give them the best chance possible to advance into eastern ukraine in the coming months that having been said, i do think that we should marry the provision of more weapons to ukraine and provision to think about mac assistance to ukraine, to a plan b because i'm skeptical the ukraine is going to win on the battlefield in by when i
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mean re claim all of its territory. and as a consequence, when we get to the end of this fighting season, late in 2023, i think we're going to have to have a conversation with him today though with the ukrainians and ultimately with the russians about how when, when, and where we can try to rustle this conflict to the ground because it is a war that is dangerous. it is having global blow back and faxed it in the form of inflation, food shortages, energy shortage as is polarizing the international system. with the democracies on one side, you frame in the middle, russia and china. on the other hand, democracies rusher and joined. obviously consider themselves democratic as new level south countries. ukraine itself jailed and persecuted, the leading opposition figure of the opposition of the life policy in kiev. obviously, the free media has been banned right across the europe in union, with the old,
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old disciplined voices will voices against the nato view of the well being banned in europe. i, i think in the united states, you only had one television presented talk a call soon, who presented an oppositional view to biden's policies being fired from fox news. how democratic is this west that you talk of, given that there is, as the washing of both say, democracy dies in douglas. there is a darkness in the united states in western europe about what's happening. well, we are clearly at a store a. busy inflection point, right? you go back to the french and american revolutions in the 17 hundreds and track for and, and you say history generally tilting in the progressive direction. the world became more and more afraid. and now it has tilted back in the other direction. autocracies are becoming more autocratic,
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and i don't know anybody who would really call russia or china a democracy except maybe their own leaders way with rushes in order to move. you know, it's international observers or what was happening in russia when booting was elected . if anything and put in was forced by opposition parties to go into doing best to protect the civilians have done yet to get into the hands. from nato. the ukraine forces and food and didn't want to do it as we know food and wanted to join nato. at one point, as i would the bang to jennifer with just about everything that you just said, russia right now is clamping down on every aspect of civil society. russia has taken over the free media and you can go out and speak your mind about this concept . you'd have to call it a special military operation. they're throwing people in jail. people are leaving, leaving the country in droves. mom, ash and the, you know,
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you're going to do it so i would say the bbc and cnn and all these uh, weston, uh, the russians. they probably got under outlets. they have, john lives in russia. they're free to be in russia rebooting, whereas russian reporters panel report from even the united states as learned from us in europe. and uh, you know, about those, do you have control story and tchaikovsky being banned? and what do you mean by the ark of history being progressive? you also know the century since, i mean since 1945. i don't need to give you the list. you have the council of foreign relations of your on what am i, la costa rica, syria, egypt, and it easier for just get on a rock north vietnam, cambodia allow headquarters the, the countries all over the world with destroyed by u. s. policy. no journalists are not free and russia, in fact, there is a journalist from the wall street journal who is now stuck in a prison there, and other reporters are going to rush it because they are afraid that go,
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that they are going to be arrested. you know, he's considered, as i said, you know, he's considered a spite in russian. julian, a son you're going to give you in special rapids on torture, is being taught should in britain, by british news papers, i'm british security forces, as joe biden, 6 to extradite him for a 175 years in jail, in the secret go to virginia the option i, you know, i'm not sure you want to go on the record singing the praises, the bladder. my mode, right? easy is just the sound of blunders. getting a history is country is a rad. e faces more domestic opposition. many's ever phase. it's shut down the media, he's thrown american journalists into jail as the united states has the u. k. have other liberal democracies made mistakes in the past. and the 67 years,
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you bet. and they also made the world a more decent place and they made democracy more widespread. have they made more countries prosperous? yes, no worries. and that's the point for united states as maine, the better of the world, a better place, which is why when you go talk to people around the world, where do they want to go study? or they lining up to study in russia, in china, where are they lining it up to study in the united states only because they believe in countries that are being the stabilize by u. s. foreign policy. why did you think that most of the invoice, representing most a few amount, if you refused a view in general assembly to condemn rushes, moving to don't bass? why did they do that? they refused and refused to implement sanctions. because defacto, they're supporting russia and of course, naturally china when not far off from when she didn't being chose to visit mosca.
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there was a grassroots revolution in ukraine called the mind on revolution, in which people to attend the streets and protested the fact that they pray indian president wanted to keep your brain under rushes from. and mad president deanna cove exclaimed the country he ran to russia and then eventually a democratically elected government was put in place. and the russians said no. and they said little green man into crime. the am a foster, a separate just uprising in done boss. this is not as to likes to call it the nazi regime. okay, but we were a trailer, you think most of crime and most of crimea does not support moscow. most of the hands can don't yet doesn't. and using the made on cool, even though we have the victorian newland phone cool. where she's organizing the co
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would you cool? great, that's fine. okay, so it was a, a grass roots color revolution in which the people of ukraine rose up and got rid of a pro russian regime. then zalinski was originally the piece guy that now we're not gonna let you frame leave with the phone. and so they went in, in 2014 and then they went in again in 2022. and now they're winning through what is perhaps one of the most grievous decisions that a russian leader has ever made. well, i'll get to that more. well, that's a 2nd, but given the 200000 maybe were killed in the russian negates lucky by the u as a dynamic bonds. the economists that well known kremlin, a talking point magazine, said that there were a $149000.00 x as debts across $28.00 europe and countries because of instability and energy prices. you know about the same wash story. the bible destroyed the north stream pipeline, supplying energy to germany. do you believe that's the case? and how many?
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hundreds of thousands of people in the europe and union are being killed by this war, that alone the numbers of ukrainians and russians and let alone those killed because grain cannot be exported because the lens key is mining of the ukraine south. you know, we still don't know who blew out the north stream pipeline. i have seen no evidence to give credibility to see more hirsch's story. so i think we need to wait until further investigations produce some kind of hard evidence about what happened. are there negative? very awful blow back effects of this, where you bet, whether it's brain shortages, phone shortages, inflation, lack of heating and some places. but you gotta ask, who attacked on this as a war and unprovoked illegal immoral war of aggression by russia, against its neighbor, ukraine, in which russia has been committing war crimes indiscriminately bombing ukrainian
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cities. yes, this is a war that has caused norm as a norm, as global costs, but it is russia. it is the aggressor, normally when i raise the idea of the similar article, the idea that the new and sullivan blinking would participate in what was the largest maintained emission event in human history. perhaps they just immediately say they, there's no way that would possibly help you said we don't know yet. so you, you do things that may be seamless as your sources could be correct? no, i, i, i that i see no circumstances under which the united states would deem it, again, its interest to carry out an attack against a pipeline that was not functioning with release gas into the ocean. and a habit of con, bubbling up, as you said, a major emissions the crisis of, of,
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of methane, by the way, when he says, you know, it in the north, the stream play for. because we have the video footage, obviously, of him saying it will, it won't happen as well. and then, and he convinced the germans to turn off the spigot as a consequence of russia's invasion of ukraine. progressive jessica of jenn, i'll stop you. the more from the senior fellow and director of european studies at the council on foreign relations up to this break the turkeys already and they told me, and turkey's already doing it share is a nate on and that's, but it's not going by some of the american ideas of kind of we cannot make them. our goal is, i guess rush, i think tricky will continue and that's only because the relationship maybe beneficial economic rates. but also because russia has to be
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a partner in maintaining the international orange the acceptance. and i'm here to plan with you whatever you do. do not watch my new show . seriously. why watch something that's so different whitelisted or opinions that he won't get anywhere else. welcome to please, or do you have the state department to see i a weapons makers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. choose your fax for you. go ahead. change and whatever you do. don't my show stay main street because i'm probably going to make you uncomfortable. my show is called stretching time, but again, it's not, we don't want to watch it because it might just change the way you think on the
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screen of the boss can do. i just need to see what we've key at the washington state. the rules of guys has to phone up, send the video to keep the list of all but huge, but they use the the welcome back to going underground. i'm still with the senior fellow and director of european studies at the council on foreign relations. going to 9 obama adviser, professor jobs coach. and you know,
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germany of buying the energy who is funding the russian war machine. it's the european union, is me buying from the dock market. the energy now it's mostly the russians are selling into the chinese. so turkey to india, none of that. so bearing in your all his energy, a very strong limited amount of energy that is still coming. i believe some gas is still throw a point to the brain pipeline, strangely enough. but you know, i do think we are going from the reality that the sanctions have not really strangled the russian economy. they haven't worked and they just pay the rest are really in trouble earlier, which of course roger would deny. and actually, you know, obviously even the western economic institutions surprise that well britain may be going into recession. russia is going the other way and is, and you're right. russia pays the lensky uh transit fees for, of course, for the pipeline going through ukraine. but back to nuclear weapons. i mean,
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you want negotiations, but you want to fund as the military in ukraine to i don't know to the last ukrainian is they say, are we expecting donald trump to end this war? you said it's going to take a bit longer. we know donald trump once immediate negotiations, as he said in his town hall, isn't that the way forward and it goes the journalist. so gold said to him, what do you mean? do you want to cry and when and he went, no, i want to stop the dying, and i know you've expressed that again and again the you want to stuff the dying just like trump does. i think this is a war that is widely to and short of for you brandy and victory. and as a consequence, i think we need to begin to think about plan b. i think it's too early to roll that out because it would suggest it to the russians that they can simply wait out the way to get out already. ok. they could
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use the rushing air force and destroy you have and use tactical nukes. they're only the waging it out. it's always a slow button from russia. yeah. but we need to increase the cost of russia. so that day and ultimately make a decision that they don't want to wait out the west. so you things are killing one or rushing the sons and daughters. that's going to help the situation and not force the opposition in rush or to force boots in to engage with those tactical nuclear weapons. or you want to increase the cost. so the russians, so that ultimately ponder deals, it in his political interest to bring an award to an end, rather event to keep fighting, losing more and more soldiers bring it to where people on the other side bring it to an end. how using tax to time, i think when we have to assume that probably will continue to pose a threat for you to your brand, for the 1st thing of all future,
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which is why and even if there is a ceasefire, even if there is a diplomatic effort we will continue to support need to send arms and economic support change of her russia from trying this again. you know that the different narrative exist, which is that the united states wanted this war. they were preparing any way to go hot or on don't yet sky and the don't bass of a well generally does it part of a big plan and it's back fired by from the, by the ministrations would calculate because it's united the entire global south then now talking about the dollar eyes ation, i mentioned the st. petersburg for them. would you be a soon when they took a gold back currencies dropping us treasuries? and we know that china, i mean, at the council on foreign relations, i presume the kissinger triangle duck doctrine of being close, that washington being close to the aging law must go. then they are closer to each
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other that's dead in the world and that the united states and western europe are alone suffering economically. while the rest of the world boost fluid. i'm not quite sure what the plan that you're measuring because what you just described bears no resemblance to reality. the united states did not want this war in went out and disclose information that the russians were planning this attack. months in advance is sent us diplomats to russia to try to avoid this war is consulted with its allies to try to avoid this war. knew full well that made one large man. if ever was a long time off. none the less invaded ukraine, because he believes that your brain doesn't deserve to exist as an independent state. and he wanted to pull it back into russia's sphere of influence. is the global south major economies like india, reserve indonesia?
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are they keeping their powder dry and not taking sides and miss conflict? yes. hi. this is in many respects, a sign of the resilience was declined as in control of it. and the, and the not even neutral the, someone you even on, on, on the right. you say which planet of the fact is, they preemptively said that they can envisage ukraine being bought of nature, which was a red line for russia. you knew it, they knew it. everyone knew it. if cuba suddenly created already from a doro in venezuela, created a new environment in which, um, uh, mexico or i don't know, southern states was a to be part of a new military alignment. i mean, what, what do you think would happen? you knew it was a red line, the americans knew that this is going to create a conflict in the arms company, share price, and suddenly tell us a tale of knowing that what was coming. the nato declared in 2008 an
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open door policy that georgia and ukraine would one day become a member of nato. i have to deal with the powers that policy. it was a rhetorical policy, and the russians knew that you frame was not on a track or a path to membership in nato. and as a constant points, you have to conclude that both of them use this as an excuse to attack the country . so i do think that you have a look inside who, who's twist and bind to understand why he has launched in the war that has completely blown out in his face. we usually, what do you say to us, good right now, when you say twisted, mind the rest of the rest of the global tank generations to recover the rest of the global. so let's say it's a new era. suppose to us hedge a monic era. that's what they're talking about in the trying. i cooperation and organizational talk about anything. it's a different world. you're right. it's a different planet to the one your choice to me from. we've had the john durham
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report, the special council. do you think culturally the united states has prepared to through you, is a propaganda or about trump being a russian agent and fake news about all of that was prepared to demonize rusher as part of this? uh, well, the goal us out, my goal is the error of us decline and they were preparing the ground for that just as the chinese balloon prepared, the american public for the facts that clearly the world is moving on. and you've talked about it the multiple world as a bonus. well, you know, i think that the, the one that you just described is the world that we are moving toward. right? and if we look at $26.00, the for example, right, which is a long way off. we're talking about 40 years hence, then yes, we will say a, romantically new, a g o clinical ranging right?
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china is probably going to be number one in the and will probably be numbered to the us 3 for sale nigeria, other countries i'm the global south are expected to rise into the top right. but right now the united states is still by far, the largest economy still by far has the largest military, any ada, the countries that are meeting at the g 7 this weekend as we speak, you will see a dominant capability. they still represent the lion's share of global well, isn't the fact that no one really cares anymore? what did it surprise you when the reported lima been solomon and the emmys ad here in the u. a refused to take biden's phone calls about oil production changes, but no one cares about the united states saying syria should not join the arab league. no one cares about the reservations of the nato. nita's european union,
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british, and american lead is about the fact that syria is admitted backend into world politics of the iran deal with saudi arabia. all of this is happening while they're all muddling along with the war in europe, that the rest of the world looks upon us. and it was capitalized by vladimir putin in a sense, the leader of the vanguard of this new world order, as well. i think what you are seeing is the beginnings of home world in which there is more agency in the global south in ways sorry to interrupt. you did say that already, but you said 2060. is it not moving quicker than the, than you thought? just as i remember it all because of the foreign policy magazine and 20 years ago saying china or eventually will be powerful, you know, you know, revising your opinions and thinking through the foster. i think things are actually moving more slowly than i would have predict. getting pardon me, has been dollar remains such
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a dominant currency. in part because we are seeing that you can unplug countries from the global economy, at least from the western economies in a way that has consequences. yes, the saudis are playing both sides of the coin and one day tilting to china. the next day, tilting toward the united states. the indians have joined the quad, a grouping against china. but also they've joined the shanghai cooperation organization, a grouping led by russia and china. so yes, things are getting more complicated. but i, they suggest how important it is to provide these kinds of mores into turn back efforts, buying countries to engage in imperial con west. we need to get the ukraine war behind us, preferably by rebuffing, rejecting russia's effort to grab the territory of its neighbors. and start dealing
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with this big challenge of having yeah, global governance and how to get great power cooperation in the world. it is multi polar will be multi polar and very much interdependent in global watch. just finally and briefly. what about trouble at home? i know your in the sicily would you all give me was a part of this marshal plan approach. the post $4050.00 unified, the visit lensky there. but back at home, what about us public opinion? is it starting to move against the, and the, by the ministrations policy of pouring tens of billions of dollars in public money? well, people die of poverty on the streets with $37000000.00 in the united states, in poverty being handed over this money to the most corrupt country in europe, which is of course, ukraine, according transparency international. i think most americans have really come together to support the us for to help ukraine defend itself. i've been amazed how
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many ukrainian flags they're still are buying and the strains. and just a few days ago, the lensky traveled around europe from italy, and i was talking about here, france. and he garnered massive support the largest, a german decision to provide weapons. so i think so far, pretty impressive. unity, are we beginning to seem public opinion in the united states? stop in yes. do i think that the united states, i'm as europe and allies will continue supporting your brain at current levels forever? now they will not. and that's precisely why it is important to begin to develop a diplomatic plan at the end of this coming offensive. to try to wrestle the conflict to the ground, to get a ceasefire admin to support the brains effort to restore territorial integrity at any goal shooting table. visit jobs coach,
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and thank you. my pleasure and that's of the show will be back on monday with the break through news host, an anti war activist eugene per year, and more than one month since fighting broke out into done that you have an ethical interest in the world trade successfully be stabilized by major nations, but until then you can keep in touch via will that social media or if it's not extensive in your country and that's what channel going on going to be a normal. don't come to watching you handled episodes of getting undergrad. so you, monday, the, the, [000:00:00;00]
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the scenes, the beginning of its history, the united states of america, has officially declared the striving for freedom and people's rights to happiness. however, in reality, having won independence, american colonists headed for the total extermination of the indigenous population of the continent, american indians were deprived of their land. local residents were driven into reservations given the worst agricultural territories, while the best land was appropriated by white colonizers, the strongest blow to american indian tribes was the extermination of by some native americans lived by hunting these wild animals, colonists slaughtered the bison, and in fact, made them nearly extinct. every buffalo did is in india and gone,
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said colonel richard dogs, a veteran of the bloody and vicious indian wars cynically. the indigenous population was simply exterminated us army general phillips sheridan express the evidence of this policy in the infamous words. the only good india is a dead indian, the genocide of native americans of north america lead to a demographic catastrophe. the exact number of deaths is still unknown, but the number of victims is in millions. having been a majority on the continent before the indigenous people make up less than 3 percent of the us population today. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy, even foundation, let it be an arms race is on all sides. very dramatic. only personally,
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i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful. very good. i think it was time time to sit down and talk the the, this is a residential area around me or a palmer broke. there was no military presence here. many of the children that use this playground would have been born off to 2014. so they will know nothing but war . another missile, i like to buy ukrainian forces on them. foss with civilian earliest fits, including a hospital r t reports from the scene in the central den. yes. also i have the
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