time people in jail, people are leaving, leaving the country in droves. mom action that you know, you're going to do it. so i would say the bbc and cnn and all these uh, weston, uh, the russians. they brought the gun droplets. they have journalists in russia. they're free to be in russia ever boarding, whereas russian report is kind of ripple from even the united states. i learned from us in europe and you know, about those, do you have skin tools to and tchaikovsky being banned? and what do you mean by the ark of history being progressive? you also know the century since i've been since 1945. i don't need to give you the list. you have the council of foreign relations of your on what am i la costa rica, syria, egypt ended easier. bridges get on a rock and would vietnam, cambodia allow headquarters the, the countries all over the world were destroyed by us policy. no journalists are not free in russia. in fact, there is a journalist from the wall street journal who is now stuck in a prison there,

and other reporters are going to rush it because they are afraid that go, that they are going to be arrested. you know, he's considered as by, you know, he's considered a spite in russian julian assigned. you're going to view in special rapids uh on torture. is being taught should in britain, by british news papers, i'm british security forces, as joe biden, 6 to extradite him for a 175 years in jail, in the secret go to virginia option i, you know, i'm not sure. and you want to go on the record singing the praises, the battery. i'm not right. easy is just the sound of the blunders in the history. this country is a rad of the faces, more domestic opposition. many's ever phased. these shut down the media. he's thrown american journalists into jail as the united states has the u. k. have other

liberal democracies made mistakes in the past, and the 67 years, you bet. and they also made the world a more decent place. have they made democracy more widespread? have they made more countries prosperous? yes, no. this is the point for united states as maine, the better of the world, a better place, which is why when you go talk to people around the world, where do they want to go to study? or they lining up to study in russia, in china, or are they lining it up to study in the united states only because they were leaving country is that i mean the stabilized by u. s. foreign policy. why did you think that most of the invoice, representing most a few mountains, he refused a view in general assembly to condemn russia's move into don't bass. why did they do that? they refused and refused to implement sanctions. because defacto, they're supporting russia and of course naturally showing that we're not far off

from when she didn't being chose to visit mosca. there was a grass roots revolution in ukraine called the mind on revolution, in which people to attend the streets and protested the fact that the premium president wanted to keep your brain under rushes. tom, a man president young cove exclaimed the country he ran to russia and then eventually a democratically elected government was put in place and the russians said no. and they said little green man into crime the am a foster, a separatist uprising in done boss. this is not as to be likes to call it the nazi regime. okay. the way we're a treaty or you think most of probably me, most of crimea does not support moscow. most of the hands can don't yet doesn't.

and using the made on cool, even though we have the victorian newland phone cool. where she's organizing the co would you cool? great, that's fine. okay, so it was a, a grass roots color revolution in which the people of ukraine rose up and got rid of a pro russian regime. then zalinski was originally the piece guy that now we're not going to let you frame leave with the phone. and so they went in and 2014 and then they went in again in 2022. and now they're winning through what is perhaps one of the most grievous decisions that a russian leader has ever made. but i'll get to that in more than just a 2nd. but given the 200000, maybe we killed the new russian when that gets lucky by the us. it's on the bones, the economist, that well known kremlin. a talking point magazine said that there were a 149000 x as debts across 28, europe and countries because of instability and energy prices. you know about the same wash story. the biden destroyed, the north stream pipeline supplying energy to germany. do you believe that's the

case and how many hundreds of thousands of people in the europe and union are being killed by this war? that alone the numbers of ukrainians and russians and let alone those killed because grain cannot be exported because the lens key is mining of the ukraine south. you know, we still don't know who blew out the north stream pipeline. i have seen no evidence to give credit ability to see more hershey's story. so i think we need to wait until further investigations produce some kind of hard evidence about what happened . are there negative, very awful blow back effects of this, where you bet, whether its brain shortages, phone shortages, inflation, lack of heating and some places. but you gotta ask, who attacked on this as a war and unprovoked illegal immoral war of aggression by russia,

against its neighbor, ukraine, in which russia has been committing war crimes indiscriminately bombing ukrainian cities. yes, this is a war that has norm as a norm, as global costs, but it is russia. it is the aggressor, normally when i raise the idea of the similar article, the idea that the new lin sullivan blinking would participate in what was the largest maintained emission event in human history. perhaps they just immediately say they, there's no way that would possibly help them. you said we don't know yet. so you, you do things maybe see more as your sources could be? correct? no, i, i don't that i see no circumstances under which the united states would deem it in its interests to carry out an attack against a pipeline that was not functioning, that would release gas into the ocean. and

a habit of con, bubbling up, as you said in major emissions, the crisis of, of, of methane. by the way, when he said he knew then the noise, the stream play for. cuz we have the video footage, obviously, of him saying it will, it won't happen. as well, and in and convinced the germans to turn off the spigot as a consequence of russia's invasion of ukraine, rest job coach. and i'll stop you. the more from the senior fellow and director of european studies at the council on foreign relations up to this break the, [000:00:00;00]

the turkeys already and they told me were centered keys already doing its share as a nate on ethics. but it's not boring by some of the american ideas of kind of we cannot make them. our goal is to, i guess, rush, i think turkey will continue. and that's only because the relationship may be beneficial. economic rates. but also because russia has to be a partner in maintaining the international orange,

the welcome back to going underground. i'm still with the senior fellow and director of european studies at the council on foreign relations. clinton and obama are advised that professor jobs. gotcha. you know, germany of buying the energy who is funding the russian war machine. it's the european union, isn't it binds in the dark market? the energy now it's mostly the russians are selling it to the chinese turkey to india. none of that's appearing in your all his energy varies. some limited amount of energy bill is still coming. i believe some gas is still throw a flowing through the brain pipeline, strangely enough. but you know, i do think we have to confront the reality that the sanctions have not really strangled the russian economy. they haven't worked and they just pay the rest of really in trouble earlier, which of course roger would deny. and actually,

you know, obviously even the western economic institutions, a surprise that well britain may be going into recession rusher is going the other way and is, and you're right. russia pays the lensky transit fees. but of course, for the pipeline going through ukraine. but back to nuclear weapons, i mean, you want negotiations, but you want to fund the military in ukraine to i don't know to the last ukrainian is they say are we expecting donald trump to end this war? you said it's gonna take a bit longer. we know donald trump once immediate negotiations, as he said in his town hall, isn't that the way forward and it goes the journalist. so gold said to him, what do you mean? don't you want to grange a win? and he went, no, i want to stop the dying, and i know you've expressed that again in the game that you want to stop the dying . just like jump does. i think this is a war that is likely to end short of for you, brandy and victory. and as

a consequence, i think we need to begin to think about plan b. i think it's too early to roll that out because it was suggested to the russians that they can simply wait out the way to get out already. ok. they could use the rushing air force and destroy q have and use tactical nukes. there was a waging it out. it's obviously slow bun from russia. yeah. but we need to increase the cost of russia. so that day and ultimately make a decision that they don't want to wait out the west. so you things are killing or rushing the sons and daughters. that's going to help the situation and not force the opposition in rush or to force boots and to engage with those tactical nuclear weapons. or you want to increase the costs of the russians. so that ultimately on the deals it in his political interest to bring an award to an end, rather event to keep fighting,

losing more and more soldier bring it to where people on the other side bring it to an end. how using tax to time. i think when we have to assume that probably will continue to pose a threat for you to your brand, for the 1st thing of all future, which is why and even if there is a ceasefire, even if there is a diplomatic effort, we will continue to support need to send arms and economic support. sims, of her russia from trying this again. you know that the different narrative exist, which is that the united states wanted to this war. they were preparing any way to go hot or on don't yet sky and the don't bass. what generally does it part of a big plan and it's back fired by from the, by the ministrations of exactly because it's united the entire global south. they're not talking about the dollar as ation. i mentioned the st. petersburg for them, which would be a soon when they took

a gold back currencies dropping us treasuries. and we know that china, i mean, at the council on foreign relations, i presume the kissinger triangle duck doctrine of being close, that washington being close to the aging law must go. then they are closer to each other that's dead in the world and that the united states and western europe are alone suffering economically. while the rest of the world boost fluid. i'm not quite sure what plan and you're measuring it because what you just described bears no resemblance to reality. the united states did not want this war in went out and disclose information that the russians were planning this attack. months in advance is sent us diplomats to russia to try to avoid this war is consulted with its allies to try to avoid this war. knew full well that made one large man. if ever was

a long time off. none the less invaded ukraine because he believes that your brain doesn't deserve to exist as an independent state. and he wanted to pull it back into russia's sphere of influence. is the global south major economies like india refilled indonesia? are they keeping their powder dry and not taking sides in this conflict? yes. hi. this is in many respects, a sign of the resilience recordings as it takes a lot of agents and the, and the, they're not even neutral that someone can even on, on, on the right, you say which planet of the fact is, they preemptively said that they can envisage ukraine being bought of nature, which was a red line from russia. you knew it, they knew it. everyone knew it. if cuba suddenly created already from a doro in venezuela, created a new environment in which, um, uh, mexico or i don't know. southern states was a to be part of

a new military alignment. i mean, what, what do you think would happen? you knew it was a red line. the americans knew that this is going to create a conflict in the arms company, share price, and suddenly tell us a tale of knowing that what was coming. the nato declared in 2008 and open door policy at georgia and ukraine would one day become a member of nato. i have to deal with the powers that policy. it was a rhetorical policy, and the russians knew the frame was not on a track or a path to membership in nato. and as a constant points you have to conclude, been proved to use this as an excuse to attack the country. so i do think that you have to look inside who's twisted behind to understand why he has launched in the war that has completely blown up in his face. we usually wouldn't say twisted right now. when you say twisted mind the rest of the rest of the global tank generations

to recover the rest of the global. so let's say it's a new era. the post to us hedge a monic era. that's what they're talking about. and showing i cooperation and organizational talk about anything. it's a different world. you're right, it's a different planet to the one your choice to me from. we've had the john durham report, the special council. do you think culturally the united states has prepared to through you as a propaganda or but from being a russian agent and fake news about all of that was prepared to demonize rusher as