all right, focusing on to key and i for the next half hour or so, our t sits died with a former deputy prime minister of the country to talk what's at stake in sunday's role selection of who he thinks will be leading the nation this time. next week, that's friday the,

[000:00:00;00] the so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy even foundation, let it be an arms race is often very dramatic. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very political time,

time to sit down and talk the the, in your opinion of can there be any events during these 2 weeks period several fundamentally change the course of the election or by the beginning of the 2nd round of the question is the actually, how much tens of these candidates will be having much more advantage for the run off? well, 1st of all the, i see no problem in this coming 2 weeks. there is always rumors, you know, in the middle east,

it's like coffee cup or anything. so there is always a conspiracy theory, but they've never brokers. so i don't think there will be anything annoying in the coming time. also, the government has taken certain measures to prevent any kind of provocative activities. so this is number one. number 2, the election 30 is 1st time experience experiencing a 2nd round. so we will see what the outcome will be, but i so i don't see any problem over the uh, what do you think about this in, on, on appointments, it goes activities and his role incurring the election. when it was very courageous, i should say that there was 4 candidates in the beginning, the midst of mazda and in j and cnn, oregon would apply it also for to be candidates. and also they did the

incredible thing that because they have to get the signatures from the citizens. it wasn't like a pilot or pointing you to be a candidate for presidency, but they had to go out, meet people, get their signatures, and they needed a 100000 signatures. so they both i seem to. so this is very important. and then the due to certain reasons, mister haynes stepped down and mister, oregon continued and he received. if i am not wrong, $5.00 or 5.17 percent of the votes. so it's a very important thing. activity i should say or yeah, but now many people believe that the voters often on, on will be determining who's going to get to victory in the 2nd round at who do think they will, will it for the, the, the,

the of course we don't know yet so it's just the elections have recently finished, it's a, this is the 2nd day when we're talking now. but in the but when you look at the welters, there was a group one, the republican, the alliance as somebody to fuck. and over there, there was a parties who formed this lines that long ago and also on the other side, and one and a half years ago, nearly 2 years know that there was this, the mean, the nation's deadlines. the mean that it can, the, there was all sorts of parties which were in the position nearly formed all parties this, that, but they were the number of 6. but these forward their, and their main objective was to throw

a quote to government and the president out of the office. this was and that was clearly they were expecting or gets and let them go. so there was an interesting correlation over that. now the in, today we come to the point that there will be a competition between the 2. so when we look at the situation, there is one party or a group, including map and other parties the which are governing currently. and the ones which don't want this grouped, the governing. so it will be a competition between this 2. now, concerning the votes, mr. olga, and get a good day. would the people who did the favor in any of this groups like, you know,

but they want to change the young people. mostly they say turkey has to have a change. what does the change they don't tell, so most of them don't know the answer of this, but they say we want to change. okay? you want to change, but for the cost of what, you know, as a old politician, i look at this one. i don't see their object to over to and on the other side it because the, as i said previously, the other meaning that it the fact that the nations of lions is a gather bunch of parties. nothing on the idea of logical to good. there's nothing on economic politics to get. there's no, nothing in the coming. so this young stairs, mostly they do them favor. also this group. so they were the people who said no to both sides. so no thinking about them on the 2nd round too high. personally, this is my own personal idea. the,

i don't think they've involved if you were to pitch a prime minister of turkey in the past. you are a dispute, the chairman of, uh, and this is moment, but at the same time, yes, the national swim wins. party image, be insured, and now you are a member of parliament from akbar to your father was the founder of m h b, a mister office on to casual, passed away. and now you as a politician not being from m h b, but being in the same condition with them. and you are now working for akbar t. there's a perception that you might be the mediator between sit on on and add ons coalition . so that he may address is walters to cast their ballots of 4 add on me. but as i said before,

i don't see it that way. number one, yes, i have a national this moment, but the history. but it's now this is, since i'm elected 2 days ago, this is my 3rd term in class 2. so i have been an unclear to working into pub 2 banks for a 2 years now. and the, there is a lot of similar friends in the group because the bullet typically the, the grass roots resemble each other concerning inmate screen with. so i don't think they would be requiring a menu to. and also on the other side, as i said, is, i don't think that the voters, the problem is but let me put that this way. in oregon, though he was appointed as a candidate for through 2 parties,

but nearly formed by the t's. if he got the signatures of citizen, so it isn't the political party organization as adult day as, as i mentioned before, the people who don't favor a quest to but also who don't favor the alternative alliance is to be in power. so these, uh, let's say a protesting group. so i don't think mr or gun or any other person or people in the situation would take them to a point to work for. right. but to or the other say as soon as my personal opinion, but the, the, i don't see as people look at. so it's, you know, it doesn't like a bunch you can take from here and put to the best possible. uh, let's have been not twice per cent,

but don't you think that he might have his effect on one or 2 percent of the waters? yeah. well of course he has it. they liked him, they financed him. the he was finding that he wasn't financed by the government funds or so, but he was funded by the citizens. so it limits a budget, but then the importance budget. so of course they have an emotional attachment to each other. but to which extent this will come, you know, when it comes to, okay, well to me is a different situation. but when you say ok, i'm out now. so please will to the ones which you didn't like in the beginning. so that's gonna work. you say we will see. okay, then honestly speaking, given this fact you're explaining me now. who do you think will win as the condition of it? you know, because the thing is now 90 percent of turkey went to the palace. it is very

precious. you know, in united, a sense in the west, let's say the established democracy's people are reluctant to go and vote in to pull that together in the, in the elections. and so, but turkey, we are very fond of the selections, 70 percent, 78 percent, 83 percent in the past elections. and this time it was nearly 90 percent people went to the bellows and bolted, 90 percent of turkey. we had $64000000.00 total alters including the ones who live experts live abroad, but now we find out that 90 percent of just people voted my opinion is these people which didn't favor the 2 major groups will not go to well to okay. so we'll lift this along, there will be tell you them and his walters and mr. kalar said when his well just

so when you look at the numbers, no one is 49.5 percent in the total. walters. 90 percent of the talk is welters. and when it comes down to 80 percent, this number 26000000, i think they are listed as the and receive it to be a win over 50 percent. and what's the role of church nationalism play in the elections? i mean, how so for there are these ideas now, i mean, if you will be fine soon on on as nationalist or international list as an independent candidate at the same time, he got 5 persons. so what is your take on this? well, the in the western context, you know, nationalism is evaluated different in different parts of the world in the west and context in europe,

in context. a nationalism is re space something in therapy. we don't accept it like that. we live in a different way. we accept nationalism as the favors of whole people living in this country, no matter what their belief is or the city is. we take the people as a whole and we favored the advantages that tomorrow will beings and so, so and nationalism is different. but mr. olga and the past is fair to practical support to to will favor just can do the see they would really speak to them really strong on the is celia and immigrants overhears. so for uh, the victoria part is a 5. i see we have a lot less than 2 percent as far as line youngest,

but they were the one who promoted mr. olga and the image is the chairman, the chair person of those up as opposed to the they made the strong against the immigrants. so it was, you know, the people who came from would run away from the syrian war where living over here . so they say if we, when we are going to take them all out or send them immediately, they have a house at $22.00, which we don't favor. um, okay. can we come a shuttle uh to we did that the position was ahead. even though the off comes i'll be accountable by the fax is written of clear and or official announced of what do you think of such a statements can pull it takes. there's always the prop, again, the issue that fix people affects your supporters and even you come to the

less point where you lose. and it is very difficult to say, hey guys, we last time stepping down. nobody wants to say that. so if i take most of the colors, federal statements as this, because the reality is, numbers that open all over to r t a, the political parties, not one, not to, you know, including the alliances, may have it. for example, in general, if i could, republican the lines, had people on a very balanced books, a class they had, it really, really fast. had everybody had some representatives including the other group also . and they were 6. but these, they appointed lawyers, the representatives, and anybody by the folks and anybody but the monitor, including the foreign press over 2 years. and everybody accepts that. this is a fed and free election then and the is the result is, is with,

with the little imagine mr. that blanket that see of the metro to, to let me also add them up the mayor of on could, on most of the of us and the mirror, we stumbled it coming them all. look, they were given a joint presser, and they, and now and stuff. the new president of the church republicans came on color start all of your take on this bag on the political countries. i would say because you know, they would like to rising styles in the thirty's politics. but the last night's performance, the made, the rising stairs go the well, we'll see a i also want to talk about this elections global inc. pets. do you think that this is such a critical election for cherokee and the results? of course, you know, closer to this. now look at turkey is in the

didn't between asia and your as always, it's a sit, a big piece of land. in the mid 3. we have cyprus, the noise in the republic of cyprus says close ties with turkey. we support them, we want them to be a living. good demo, chrissy and living good example. so we have borders with you over there because the greek, but they got in the a you the unfortunately wrong the but it says the other 2 that we have borders over the also we have borders with the new i, the e u. countries like bill galia, romania and so, so turn key joe politically is a biggest throughout the country. as you know, in the recent conflict and the fights war between the ukraine and

russia. we tried to follow everything over there because of the fact that this is all the, the, the agricultural products that has to go through the, uh, both photos and the then as of straight to the free world, you know, we, whatever corn which we have produced in either of ukraine or russia had to go through turkey's land the seas. so the turkey is a very important country, and of course it's a fixed everything is on the freeway of how to see actually how do as far as the pressure and turkish relations of their directions, considering the level of the carry on booze as if the prospect is even more because we pass very harsh times.

we passed the very difficult times with turkey and russian relations. you know, some, the 1st, some touch explains was shot over the celia and then the some russian planes were shut to it. and it was claimed that 13, that though it says that we need to do a boat thing which we did. and so we passed really has passed to now. so after this, for the time being, i don't to see any obstacle to get the turkish russia relations in a bad situation. plus the people have to keep in mind that the after the, the us as a has dissolved it doesn't collapse, get this old. so after that, because of the economic relations, there is

a lot of mix match manage. so there is a lot of complain families how the russian or bell levels. so from the former us a sudden hostage. so this also forms the possibility that it's not on the, the, the political activities or the governmental level, but also on the people's lives, including tourism. we have baby could look close relations. so this, i believe that it will prosperity into construction relations. well, the relations are really good and you said that you expect even more but i think there was a sanction issue. cherokee, it is now uh not for any sanctions against russia, but is united nations will impose the sanctions against russia to the realtor, to be it all being it. well,

it just depends on what comes. it's a, you know, when use speak about sanctions or about the un decisions and so they're all on talk basis. so you know, you can generalize and say, or we will accept or we will comply or be, was rejected. but when you look at the situation, is that the international bodies, like the united nations and the other international bodies which have lived nearly a 100 years, some 60 is they have to be rectified. they have to be more than nice, or let's say they have to be updated for the 21st century. if they don't serve the humanity, they don't serve the piece of the work in nowadays. it isn't that the united nations, for example,

it isn't the effective as it was in 1960 seventy's decades ago. so now some group of countries gets hold of it and for their own economic advantage, they try to force these international groups to organizations to force countries for the decisions which are not fixed and which are not equal to the whole people or whole countries of the world so it has to be reconsidered. yeah, i'm running out of time. let me also ask you, can you tell us shortly uh, what is your take on 2 kids, accession possibility to the you in the future, but it was a benchmark for turkey. it was, we see that it,

they always have an excuse not to excel more than to in years he has of no, but the thing is they gave us homeworks. we took it very seriously. we did all that homeworks, perfect. still. they tried to produce new reasons not to accept this, but when they decided to accept the country like romania example, the other some the eastern european countries, they're really excited that typically is trying to quicken up the case. but the limits as the key, they try to find new obstacles, new breaks, if you will, so to keep turkey out of use. so we've been 30, we have seen this for decades now the you will keep on doing this. but it's as a benchmark for us, we will do

a lot of homeworks to will be the 1st of the free world and to have the standards in the a most best lives. yeah, my last question. you're keeping on your father's break. which of his achievements actually be considered the most important as a milestone? and how do you see his role in turkish history of late suitcase? my father had a very big impact on the turkish politics. he started, he works a day by day and night by nights, and he and she is such a level of understanding and loving him, respecting him that it has been 26 years he passed the but still the, when you speak about his name or his of the season on the issues of nationalism or

keeping the country insects keeping the people of 30 alert to dangers. coming to us, the key is name is always an eye clinic name. so it's important. well, for me, if you say i'm in the same foot path, i hope so, but i consider myself more to be serving in the 21st century near century. and this new century has some new issues with that. so ours is a bit different. well, that was my final question to total to case number of parliaments for on cut out from a quite a thank you very much for taking the time to talking to us. thank you for

the same thing. you know, for the final step in this concept optimized concept for the q as in, from the, from the, as always, from the end to lower the do it in, b, c, differing. you could keep the way in apologies. just give us an edge. it's on the shift, so what's the open? you're seeing the little ball coming in. the crucial just means for the most of the associated is with the bonus. nobody's computing these 2 of the 4234. they need the width of choosing to and you can just fix that will be good always in terms of the just putting those issue in the assistance they needed and it will set them up. and you will think about 15 days ago, set them as don't say this material,

the style of the evening, the so cleanly. so the peters, my tell me, i'm still open and it doesn't happen often the degrees of the me have yet to me. sick though, should be treated as a country. yes, please, and your opinion on this clarity of some of the most to as the most out of special position is openings and it took

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