this internal affairs, this way, many questions had taken parting nationwide protests which are wrapped it after the death of my saw. i mean, you don't get one in woman who died in police custody after being detained for breaching. it was as long as the dress code or head job back in september of last year. so now that's what a post by this was and this it showed an image of a pro map. so i mean the pro test work protestors were holding her picture that post also. busy first, want to stop executing as top of the use of death penalties in the country. in a statement released after words, why the one in for administrative yvonne denounced this was embassies behavior and called it unconventional and unprofessional. with regards to the use of its embassy inter, want to publish a photo of clothes, fake slide. of course, the one in government seems to be offended by the tweet, as it also showed a photo of under warranty and flag with the lion and song emblem on it which was

used before. the 1979 is vomiting pollution and is no longer used on the iranian national flag. the twitter post by the source embassy into one was released after iran. hank, those 3 man by the names of my teeth, cause any salt, let me have hush would be as eat. yahoo will be here. work convicted of what the they're wanting and constitution calls lahardo. bear or war against god. those people were also accused of using guns during the pro maxima. i mean, the protest in the iranian central city of us were home, back in november last year. they had also been involved and the death of 3 security officers during the riley's, those security officers included 2 members of the best, each pair of military force and one law enforcement officer. those 3 people were arrested immediately or sentenced to death back in january. so now i see one says switzerland's action is not compatible with the friendly ties between these moments republic, comfortable on, and this was confederation. the meantime, iran is joining the very powerful and strategically important shanghai cooperation

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[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the below and the welcome across that were all things are considered non beautiful about there are reports, the binding ministration may push to turn the ukraine conflict into a frozen conflict. this is on many levels. first of all, washington claims not to be part of the conflict. and most importantly, why in the world with moscow settle on terms set by the americans?

the discuss these issues and laura and joined by my guess, jordan suddenly while we in budapest, he's a pod cast or at the capitol which can be found on youtube and locals in the world . and we have anthony webber, p as an independent political commentator for a gentleman class that rolls in fact, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with george in budapest, george, i'm sure you're just as well as aware as the rest of us that there have been this talk. i generally comes from politico. we can have a separate program on that. i think one day. but this talk of a, of a, a frozen com. it's along the lines of the korean peninsula. good. well, obviously the conflict between 1915. 1953. well i guess we can entertain about. that's why we're doing the program. but with that signal, a defeat for both sides. george a. it's definitely worth it. it's hard to know. how serious does it take these

kinds of uh, stories. but it is understandable why the united states might be inclined to was something of that nature. because basically then no one admits the feed. admittedly, no one proclaims victory, but they means that the war effectively continues. so in this, it is in the say be like the minutes agreements, you pretend that so what we've got an agreement, we've got a piece, but you use the intervening time to just keep beefing up the arms. i don't really think that the united states is thinking in terms of um, a career because of the career that's been peace now for 70 years. and i don't think the americans are really thinking of a 70 years of peace. i think much more likely that they, they're thinking in terms of a breathing space and then stopped the whole thing up again and by of 6 years time

. so, but career sounds good, isn't it? what was 70 is a piece a that's not, that's all about agreement. but as, as you said, be the, this is certainly not be a good deal for russia by any stretch of the imagination. no, i wouldn't be at the strategic defeat. interested in my opinion. you're a anthony. but there's nothing to this. we've been playing a word game with us because just as a judge has already alluded to this, there be nothing frozen about it. so today, i mean both sides and particularly nato would be very busy, busy like bees of integrating your brain completely and fully into the military alliance. and not this 600 different toys, machine systems, they're sending their, which is really, i mean, i'm not even, i'm in a military. remember, that's just ridiculous. they don't talk to each other. the systems, you know, it's, it's overly complicated. there's no training much involved. and so this is kind of bar school, this ga already told us here, i mean, so wait for another 5 years so you can give it another crack at the,

at the dumbass. i don't think anyone who the gremlin thinks that way this may be just kind of political cover, the kind you will look, you know, we can find a compromise. we compromise comes from us, which is nonsense anthony, your thoughts? yes, of course it wouldn't be a compromise. really have to go by. so walk happen. i would say maybe disagreement which was broken by the crime, but because as the, the sites and the cycle but so media, other dave is probably can by our key west. some countries undergo a sense, marco and maxwell and protect our values. the trying to have, um, united charities are just a mess it by actually use. i mean its the grievance to, um, did i praise the position i find uh, besides that and uh sorry, sorry, it was happens. i think is such a rush uh well,

no trustworthy. so either in anything which is by could by side of her tongue. sure is. i think this is why. 1 initiatives by countries such as this though, about the arab league by some african countries, which have more jobs. somebody who says, say, listen to you by russia, because the trust is the only thing is absolutely the major thing because you go back inside when i go, which offers. uh gosh, i took a good positive, right? you got a monitor fashion. so, um, uh, there was a reasonable, high amount of trust that no one called you about, you know, the prize in terms of what happened. but, uh, but the twins itself is a 100 degree of trust. but what is going on uh, looking at it for the price points to be i think this has beta major prolonged uh with far it's alyssa, it's because who's obviously gotten say trust the united kingdom now and who's for

that? so that my see lots of sites as well because if i can really say i say side o we go to sam's shoulder to shoulder with are you crying and prep but, but yeah, it's a sort of thing boss. uh, if i saw you got to the i found people when my uh, let them down. so the tyler but i'm, we're now real human rights. and as i said, she's the, she's pausing for a new crime because i got married for the media and i free press coal system and the boss are low. so a, it's a disaster situation. we separate. um, i called the city now, oh, uh, russia. the great and so the state and price and i'm from the point of do you try

we called the. ready office to consent, do we need it to be completely furnished? because our economy is separate and truck for free. died the people of the united kingdom, a software gigabyte, create a free dry, and it's a long tenable situation. unfortunately, they are popular to the big larger about what's going on. and they all policies are vol, seasonal. i a public debase alt via sheets, which i mean there was more debate about cove in george the they're yours, right? let's look at some of the characters here. i mean, why in the world would zalinski agreed to something like this? he wouldn't. okay. i mean, i get all the people around him. you know, we, you know, with the repeat there is some of the lunacy around and we're going to get a live range by me or by christmas. i mean, you know, he can, but the trend he is, he's all in or all about towards the you're exactly right these up and when you think about this,

the g 7 summit that's just taking place in your actual goal places. um, and with a use the landscape showing up and the g 7, you know, where we're rolling, you know, whatever it takes and you know, we're going to keep going. it's very hard declined down from that position to say, well, okay, we said that we, we're all in and we want to liberate all of your brand needs. there are trade what will settle for. 5 on um, is this, uh, i'm on the lines of a 3. it can be done. and i, that's why i don't really think that this is a serious option. that may well, the people within the us administration who's think uh, sensitively about these things. i don't think the board needs to come to an address, but they are overwhelmed by the are the important voices in the administration. of course, in congress that we have to press on for you know, victory and think she's a, identifies a little different from that of so many scale. i don't think they care that much

about liberating this. deliberating that, but just to bleed are actually just the keepers will going the drain roster. and then to bring about political chaos. crisis in russia and then the disintegration of the russian federation. i think that's the objective. now the ukraine placed on a very small part in this, i mean, however many ukrainians are killed. the united states couldn't care less. i mean the to them, ukraine is just simply a count on the follow up. and for the europeans, that's just cheaply base of you know, to bring them in. and the ukranian women and, you know, that's just sex workers. but that's, that's the use for the ukraine. the goal is to the destruction of russia. it's one of the things george and i talked about in our podcast may heinz is um, i wonder how his student future historians will look at the behavior of the ukrainian or elite. i mean, you know, we'll give you everything to a,

to fight with. all you have to do is give your own blood. i mean, i've never seen a, a national, a lead, so willing to do this to their own people. because at the end of the day, my friends, what exactly is ukraine gotten out of this except for a huge grant that the top anthony well, of course we have to have that in mind. that's a group of people surrounding. so i'd say 8 type go for a richard control, and the, the normal people of you crying. i'll things are larger voice. i'm all more paper. why do you cry? who are the ones that items? so this will undergo sky and back in time. this will happen because of the american news 5 to, to time 2014, which is followed by president landscape a alexis on would you believe a platform, a piece? sorry he's what later on that. but i see uh,

looking at the position of landscaping probably on some level as well. i can't see what the st gets out. but the congress of power since their capital case, but they know mainly the young either crime in back moment. what was the said becomes more my are also at the juncture as well as inside the country. i don't see how he can continue because it will be show maurice lloyd to designing people. so to wells fargo, i think they set some. let us key is not often decided to type it in the united kingdom because look and look in your head, i can see about why don't they all should. this is going to be a change of leadership of who you cried. so obviously we lost the off of a safe place to go. you say body longer for his support as populate the united states. but the reality is actually signed by utah base. i tried to without the policy of the united states. uh it's, it's,

it's interesting when you say it might be good chip, a charge, it doesn't solve the dire strategic problem, that your grain has, it doesn't matter who's going to be running the shop. okay, so they get this guy who will go on the emmys and the boat magazine and all that, but yeah, i, i see the utility in that, but it doesn't create results for ukraine of side as i'm going to repeat again, big risk that the top george no, it doesn't the top and that's the is the tragedy of a you bring in your bought into the nonsense the west was peddling either you would have thought they loved all the lessons from, from the pos, from the west though. so you live, i will, they will look out the will, will, will guarantee you that freedom, democracy, prosperity and so on. and they bought into it and it was so far it doesn't look like they realized to what kind of a catastrophe. victoria and ulan then and the rest of them broke. they knew exactly what they were, the public

a little or they wouldn't go to provide any kind of freedom, democracy, or prosperity. they just wanted them for their geo political end. so until there is some kind of realization among the brandy leaders that we've, it's just, we're destroying our country by attaching ourselves to west the strategic objectives of the been just going to go down this box. i'll just losing them then by the 10s of thousands. i'm not, no gentleman, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine state bar to the

the, the, the welcome back across that were all things are considered. i'm people about this is the home addition to remind you. we're discussing some real news the in my introduction, anthony, you know, one of the things that um is very curious to me is that again its politico being the, the outlet talking about this. apparently they're very close to everybody and they tell them the administration maybe political works for them. again,

maybe you're talking to the public brown the other day. but you know, the arrogance of it all. first of all, being um for over a year now, pushing the tap which was not unprovoked. it was one of the most um, finely planned and executed provocations of all time. okay. and so you have the americans now thinking, well, maybe we need a ceasefire. and why, again, your, your point to have trust, you know, why would the russians trust this? but the russian authorities have to look at what their own people have to say about this. and a ceasefire is the last thing after what has been, what is happen, all of the sanctions of lots of young men on the battlefield. there is no appetite for that at all. just to reverse the appetite is, let's finish it off. anthony. well yeah, so i think cool along the car dispatch it for, for while she talk minutes and the russian table weighs is

a dog. and this goes down. so even the negotiations because of the europe in preston, uh west side of your bets. um, the, the, the basic guy stations shouldn't be on there. make qu braces which worksheet about . but that shouldn't be cool for russia, which is actually just crazy because inside of the, the officers they, they weren't be cool for you crying because your crime is a fax every year to be a new customer. shouldn't have had it and say on condition where a surrender because a comp safari is a guy, a without config supplies a rapid rate and age for them. so i rested in countries. i'm the old ready that asylum said the united states and other countries who are psych now is that it's called slippery and i'm, i'm so this. so we come to it forever. yeah, we have received say not the kind of convert this to the fax will be signing for

that, but well, people forget about is none of these comp, j. c, k, u s. i or some other countries in the u. nice side, not on my call, have a mind right from my people say, gets involved in this. this makes the question anthony, you know, you're in the okay, so give us a, you know, an up close and personal view of it here. so we have the current, the british prime minister is, is you claim a winning issue for him because that's what he looks like. he's, he's always people, you know, they're train up to this issue and it is a lose lose issue for everybody, but touches it. explain to us what we need for. it's uh, almost a sort of desperation. uh certainly would be the kind of $16.00 oh $5.00 to chat. so i'm gonna try you next week because it's quite clear this has been done in preparation, in prep process too. but you guys are in defense. today's, in fact, the guy is i see reducing the size of a psalm forces. yeah,

it's not knowing the value of this for you, probably the site, it's almost like it was trying to die spite the kind of government. but i think if you look up what some brief treat ponder says, well if, if, if i broke sheet the same policy on the cried, sorry it does. but you are a who is the power behind the see who is making raising the governments of today? these up, these policies which were currently there's boss and i think we all know the answer to that is even something, you know, george, it's something you know, talking about at great length and it's good. i am in the, in the u. k. political establishment is a, is a case in point is a, you know, you have all of this big capture. i mean, we have, you know, you and i looked at public a, d, b as a public opinion polls. but go into the details, you know, and the headline is, you know, support for ukraine remains, but if we go in the re, the details, it's not the case at all. okay. i mean, so and then,

and then this is very much us and we capture um, which i think it was without any kind of a positive. and we can debate what that means, positive results, and why continue this this endeavor, because there is no goal outside of what you said in the 1st part of the program. and that is a strategic to feed progress it. well, it's not in the cards. so if it doesn't, you don't succeed. why do you continue the same policy? george, the doors to explain how insane people think it's a tough question. go ahead. it is an animal. that's what happens when you have a kind of political media lead that lives in the bubble because of these, the politicians who make these decisions. the only time they ever have to offer us are any questions, comments from all of the issues similar to themselves or the media and the media? oh really awesome. the questions? well, are you doing enough for ukraine? when are you going to deliver this?

i'm is the landscape says he needs that when is that going to happen? is level or a go the kind of questions of the voters us, which is our problem. yes. do you have money for this? but you don't have any money or uh, social services or subsidies for storing food and energy prices. you know, that you never have any money books. and that's that. and that's the case. you know, not just in the u. k. but, you know, in germany and then when that i'm really in a bad bought was a characteristic german brutality said, i don't care what my both to say. i'm just going to go ahead and do whatever i can for your brain. so it's already in grain within this lead that that highest priority is ukraine. it no matter how many times editor of the populace and in the united states will say, well, how come your walk is done with the borders of ukraine then with your own borders, which you don't care about? well, i say there are above. that's exactly right. we don't care about the waters that's, that's nothing. we only care about you cream. so that's the problem you. we have in

a lead that is entirely the kind of a self referential that's why we georgia maloney was supposed to make this big change and it too late. and uh and i, because of those on the day before the election posted up on the line, i'm just have the tools. and lo and behold, she is the tools and georgia maloney fellow the like in like the end of the and also in the last newsletter. so we, there are reports with the upcoming nato summit. the nato is gonna draw up a russell award plan for the 1st time since the cold war. and that's interesting. okay, because it's a very different nato, then it was when the cold war came to an end. and nato is presumably going to have a more plan on a, a subject where they have no definitive outcome. i mean, what, how can you make more plans when you don't know if your brain is even going to

exist? or it is partially going to exist a run state it, you know, we'll have, you know, a word poland, you will have to germany. maybe they be hung, gary and minority. and you in ukraine has their own ideas towards those that i'm talking about there. i mean, i've always done this planning planning, so really kind of interesting and basically just for p r because of a new part make plans when you're on a rolling floor to hello, it is or is activity. but the problem says re, helps i look at was something that night fire and our to the last, she is a very complicated. so and charleston principles and i have become, she are creative, will organize, i should, i should be a concern. so all like light site members and suddenly it's become like i could protect for 8, but he's actually done the nice for you, right? 5 is the largest size, but it's also

a silver fraction of the united states because obviously the american people themselves haven't paid off out of this move in a more like, uh, direction uh, bought a diesel haines. i say to uh, creates a state of perpetual war of regarding the crime, or whether it's cited cold price or not. it's uh, it, it does creates a division between russia and some of the countries of the world. but we have to remember some of these conferences in a while, but should take advice. recently changed some of our please can we ask him some ice and so they shot but a certain countries 5, i lost the confidence. so the rest of the world and um, uh, american, spain, satan try to set them off the united kingdom, very side based. they seem to be sort of, uh,

willing to. so i figured i'd say the sights um, you know, as i say about the united states and without upsetting a world which is but both a buy suite, as most people are outside the country. most countries, while they're not simple as a sign since against russia, because i know it's not said the interest. yeah. the logic kingdom is just pronounce some of the site. so the good software which together really badly affect purchased business. and we don't have that in mind, but the logic kingdom is traded but brushed up for some trainees that are getting back to these top of napoleon, but more so forth about the issue of um, the whole we, we, uh, the government come full shade is the instruct, but they don't even care about participate in business. so that's a lot of the pressures population. this gets down to just, you know, what is it, george mean it's, it's,

it's ideologically driven. it is emotionally driven. it's messy amik, lisa phobia. i mean, it's a very weird mixed silence here because o benefits outside of arms, producers don't know, george, nobody benefits and what and what you just said about this, the nato planning, this causes a piece of the seed because during the cold war, the nato have only one scenario, which is russian attack, well, so you, so in, on the diagram that's in and then they do, it will go into action. that's not what's happening this time. of course, nato is still pretending that it's defensive, but essentially different does indeed get to an ongoing protection with robert. it will be as a consequence of aggressive actions by nature. it's because nato is essentially been waging a proxy war against russia using ukraine, but could easily get out of control the had lots of warnings, and then that will be a will later. so nato is a lying by say, well,

we was all defensive, defensive. know the aggressive action by nature before we end here, everybody likes to talk about article 5, but what is article one of the treaty 30 seconds before we go to the article one is that oh bul nato bows are committed to resulting all disputes with non nato pals in and exclusively peaceful fashion. if you don't follow that, then all the go, 5 optical 9, nothing. none of that applies 10 seconds to finish it off for us as well. a larger size, we'll have to height that some of the safer vials and the over um simple as a weights. obviously. i wish i could be the anyway, the just fascinating the discussion gentlemen, will see you if rosen conflict is of labor of the week. okay. and that's all the time we have. i wanna thank my guessing where they had in budapest and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our pc and next time. remember about

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