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the, the, [000:00:00;00] the below and the welcome across that were all things are considered non beautiful about there are reports, the binding ministration may push to turn the ukraine conflict into a frozen conflict. this is on many levels. first of all, washington claims not to be part of the conflict. and most importantly, why in the world with moscow settle on terms set by the americans,

the to discuss these issues and laura and joined by my guess, george, send me well we in budapest, he's a pod cast or at the gospel which can be found on youtube and locals in the world thing we have anthony webber t as an independent political commentator originally across up roles. in fact, that means you can jump any time you want and i always appreciate it. all right, let's start out with george in budapest, george, i'm sure you're just as well as aware as the rest of us that there have been this talk again. the comes from politico, we can have a separate program on that. i think one day. but this talk of a, of a, a frozen conflict along the lines of the korean peninsula goodwill. obviously the conflict between 19151953. well, i guess we can entertain about. that's why we're doing the program. but with not signal a defeat for both sides. george. definitely it would be, it's hard to know how serious does it take these kinds of uh,

stories. but it is understandable why the united states might be uh, inclined to was uh, something of that nature. because basically then no one admits the feed, and literally no one proclaims victory, but they means that the war effectively continues. so, in this it is in the say, be like the men screw agreements. you pretend that so when we bought an agreement, we've got a piece, but you use the intervening time to just keep beefing up the arms. i don't really think that the united states is thinking in terms of um, career because of the career that's been peace now for 70 years. and i don't think the americans are really thinking of the level 70 years of peace. i think much more likely that they, they're thinking in terms of

a breathing space and then stop the whole thing up again and by of 6 years time. so, but career sounds good, isn't it? what was 70 is a piece a that's not, that's not about agreement. but as you said, be the, this is certainly not be a good deal for russia by any stretch of the imagination. no, i wouldn't be at the strategic defeated was, in my opinion here yesterday, but there's nothing to this. we've been playing a word game with us because just as a judge has already alluded to this, there'll be nothing frozen about it. so today, i mean both sides and particularly nato would be very busy, busy like bees of integrating your brain completely and fully into the military alliance enough as 600 different toys machine systems that are sending there, which is really, i mean, i'm not even, i'm on a military, remember, this is ridiculous, they don't talk to each other. the systems they know it's, it's overly complicated. there's no training much involved. and so this is kind of par school is george's already told us here, i mean, so we for another 5 years. so you can give it another crack at the,

at the dumbass. i don't think anyone who the gremlin thinks that way this may be just kind of political cover, the kind you will look, you know, we can find a compromise. we compromise comes from us, which is this nonsense anthony, your thoughts? yes, of course it wouldn't be a compromise. really have to go by. so walk happen. i would say maybe disagreement which was uh, broken by the crime, but because it's the, the sites and the cycle. but so it media, i thought it was probably can by our key west some countries undergo since marco and maxwell and protect our values. are you trying to have from united charities are just a mess it by actually use. i mean it's the agreement. so you did, i printed the position upside. 1 beside, so sorry, sorry, it was happens. i think is such

a rush. i will have no trustworthy. so either in the anything which is by could by side mouth or tongue share is i think this is why initiatives by countries such as this, oh, about the arrow play by some african countries which have more jobs. somebody who says, say, listen to russia, because the trust is the only thing is absolutely major thing because you go back inside when i go, which offers. uh gosh, i took a good positive, right? you got a monitor fashion, so that was original. hi, a bunch of trust that no one called you about, you know, the prize in terms of what happened. but the point is service 100 degree of trust. but what is going on looking at it for the price points to be. i think this is beta may zip longer with foreign policy because who's actually going to trust the united

kingdom and who's for that? so that my see lots of sites as well. because if i can really say, i say side o we go to sam's with, it's a, so the with, are you crying with input? but, but she has a sort of thing box that def, i saw you've actually, i've gotten people one by us, let them down. so that's our, but i'm no real human rights and what is rice issues? but one of the she far shooting for a new probably because i got married for the media and i free press cool system and the boss are low. so a, it's a disaster situation. we saw that rate and i called c no, uh, russia. the great and sophistic unfrozen. i'm from the point of to the you try, we call the fold up press to continue,

we need it to be completely finished because our economy is suffered and truck for free. died the people so you don't have to take the software getting controlled by create a free dry and it's a long terrible situation. unfortunately, these are popular to the. ready i big lives here about what's going on and they all policies of all seasonal. i, a public debate shall be issued, which i mean there was more debate about cove in george the they're yours, right? let's look at some of the characters here. i mean, why in the world with zalinski agreed to something like this. he went, okay, i mean, i get all the people around him. you know, we, you know, with the repeat there is some of the lunacy around him. we're going to get a liberated scribe near by christmas. i mean, you know, he can, but the trend he is, he's all in or all out. george the you're exactly right. these are and when you think about this, the g 7,

the summit that's just taking place in your off shot of all places. um and uh, with uh, use the landscape showing up. and the g 7, you know, where we're all in, you know, whatever it takes and you know, we're going to keep going. it's very hard to climb down from that position to say, well, okay, well, we said that we, we were all in and we weren't deliberate. so all of your brain is there a trait? what will settle for an armistice? i'm on the lines of a 3 and it can be done. and i, that's why i don't really think that this is a serious option. they may well, the people within the us administration who's think uh, sensitively about these things. i don't think the board needs to come to an end, but they are overwhelmed by the are the important voices in the administration. of course, in congress that we have to press on for, you know,

victory and victory. they itemize a little different from that of as a matter of scale. i don't think they care that much about liberating this, the liberating that but just to bleed roughly just to keep as well going, the drain roster. and then to bring about political chaos. crisis in russia and then the disintegration of the russian federation. i think that's the objective. now the ukraine placed on a very small part in this. i mean, however many ukrainians are killed. the united states couldn't care less. i mean the to them, ukraine is just simply a count on father and for the europeans, that's just cheap labor day. so you have to bring them in. and the ukranian women, and you know, there's just sex workers, but that's, that's the use for the ukraine. the goal is to the destruction of russia. you know, and it's one of the things george and i talked about an hour podcast may. heinz is, um, i wonder how his student future historians will look at the behavior of the ukrainian

or elite. i mean, you know, we'll give you everything to a, to fight with. all you have to do is give your own blood. i mean, i've never seen a, a, a national, a lead, so willing to do this to their own people. because at the end of the day, my friends, what exactly is ukraine gotten out of this except for a huge griffith to top? anthony, the whole thing out of that in mind. right. so uh groups of people surrounding. so i'd say 8 type golf. sorry. richard control and the, the normal people to be crying all things or no, i divorce, i'm on a more paper. why do you crying? who wants an item? so this will undergo sky and bucket and hard and visual will happen because of a uh, american news. bob to, to todd and 2014, which was followed by president. so landscaping, i like said on, would you believe a platform piece started? he's were major on that, but i see uh,

looking at the position of landscaping. pretty young technical as well. i can't see what was it gets out, but the congress are thousands through a capital case, but being are mainly young, either crime in back moment. what was that becomes more my i also have to jump to as well as inside the country. i don't see how he can continue because it will be show movies lied to design people. so to wells fargo, i take a set so this key is not offered to solve the problem in the united kingdom because the head i can see uh the, one of the options is but it's going to be a change of leadership of who you cried. so obviously we lost the offer to save a price to go, you say buy longer for you is suppose as populate the united states. but the

reality is actually signed by utah. but if i try to do without the policy of the united states, uh it's, it's essentially saying when you say, if i get ship a charge, it doesn't solve the dyer strategic problem that ukraine has. it doesn't matter who's going to be running the shop. okay. so they got this guy who will go on the emmys in the boat magazine and all that, but yeah, i see the utility in that, but it doesn't create results for ukraine. i'll side as i'm going to repeat again, big risk that the top george. no, it doesn't the top and that's the is the tragedy of a you bring in your bought into the nonsense that the west was probably either you would have thought they loved all the lessons from, from the pos when the west though. so you live, i will, they will look out the we will, will guarantee the freedom, democracy, prosperity and so on. and they bought into it and it was so far it doesn't look like they realized to what kind of a capacitor big victoria and ulan then and the rest of them brought. they knew exactly what they were,

the but the goal that they wouldn't go to do provide any kind of freedom, democracy, or prosperity they just want to them for they've geopolitical. and so until there is some kind of realization among that you branding leave, is that what? it's just, we're destroying our country by attaching ourselves to wes, than a strategic objective until then we're just going to go down this box of just losing the man by the 10s of thousands. i'm not, no gentleman, we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine state bar to

the or welcome back across stuff you're all things are considered. i'm futile about this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news the in my introduction, anthony, you know, one of the things that is very curious to me is that again, it's politico being the, the outlet talking about this. apparently they're very close to everybody and they

telling the administration maybe political works for them. again, maybe in talking to the public brian the other day. but you know, the arrogance of it all. first of all, being for over a year now pushing the task which was not unprovoked, it was one of the most finely planned and executed provocations of all time. okay. and so you have the americans now thinking, well, maybe we need to cease fire and why it again your, your point to have trust, you know, why would the russians trust is. but the russian authorities have to look at what their own people have to say about this. and a ceasefire is the last thing after what has been, what is happen, all of the sanctions of loss of young men on the battlefield. there is no appetite for that at all. just to reverse the appetite is let's finish it off. anthony. well, yeah, so i think cool along the dispatcher for,

for why she talk minutes and the russian people ways is a dog. this goes down, say even the cache she was because of the europe in preston uh with side of your bets. um, the, the, the basic guy stations shouldn't fail my mate, coo braces, which what she meant by that shouldn't be cool for russia, which is actually just crazy because in fact uh, the, the, the officers say they weren't be cool for you crying because your claim is a fact, so every year in the presumption or having said on condition where a surrender, because they come so far as i die without continuing supply as a rapid rate. and i hate for them. so i rested in countries. i'm the old read to you that i'll sort of you said the united states and other countries who are citing the you guys that it's called slippery and i'm, i'm so this. so we come to it forever. yeah, we have received,

say not the kind of convert this to the fight. so the same for right, but what people forget about is none of these countries, the u. k. u s. i or some other countries in the u advice. i know it must call a man, right for my people say, gets involved in this. this makes the question anthony, you know, you're ok. so give us a, you know, and up close and personal view of it here. so we have the current, the british prime minister, i mean is, is you create a winning issue for him because that's what he looks like. he's, he's always people, you know, they're train up to this issue and it is a lose lose issue for everybody, but touches it. explain to us. well, it's like it's almost a sort of desperation. i certainly would be the kind of $16.00 oh $5.00 suggests. so i'm gonna try you next week because it's quite clear this has been done in preparation, in prep process. so you guys are in defense. today's,

in fact the guide is not sheet, but basically the size of a psalm forces. yeah, it's not knowing the ability of this for you find the site, it's almost like like it was trying to die spite the kind of government. but i didn't care if you look about something brief. i've treat prime minister as well. if, if, if i brought she'd the same policy on the crime. so it does, but you are a who is power behind the say? who is a make to i seem to you take out, want to today these up, these policies which were currently there's a boss and i think we all know the answer to that is use of the, you know, george, it's something you know, i've talked about at great length and, and i am in the u. k. political establishment is a, is a case in point is a, you know, you have all of this capture. i mean, we have, you know, you and i looked at the public a, d, b as a public opinion polls. but go into the details, you know, and the headline is,

you know, support for your grade roommate. but if you go in the read the details, it's not the case at all. okay. i mean, so, and then, and then this is very much as a lead capture, which i think it was without any kind of a positive. and we're going to debate what that means, positive results and why continue this this endeavor, because there is no goal outside of what you said in the 1st part of the program. and that is a certificate to feed progress it well, it's not in the cards. so if it doesn't, you don't succeed. why do you continue the same policy? george, the doors to explain how insane people think it's a tough question. go ahead. a, as an animal, that's what happens when you have a kind of political media lead that lives in the bubble because of the, the politicians who make these decisions. the only time they ever have to offer us are any questions comes from a lot of dishes, similar to themselves or the media in the media. oh,

really awesome. the the type of questions. well, are you doing enough for ukraine? when are you going to deliver this? i'm is zalinski says he needs that when is that going to happen? is level, are you the kind of questions of the voters us which is how come? yes, you have money for this, but you don't have any money for uh, social services or subsidies for storing food and energy prices. you know that you never have any money bought. and that, and that's the case. you know, not just in the u. k, but you know, in germany and then when the bad bought was a characteristic german brutality said, i don't care what my boat to say. i'm just going to go ahead and do whatever i can for you brand. so it's already in grain within this lead that that highest priority is ukraine. and no matter how many times editor of the populace and in the united states will say, well, how come your walk is done with the boulders of your brain then with your own borders, which you don't care about? well,

i say they're above. that's exactly right. we don't care about the water that's, that's nothing. we only care about you cream as the less the brand new. we have any lead that is entirely the kind of a self referential. that's why we georgia maloney was supposed to make this big change and it too late. and uh and i because of those on the day before the election posted up on the line and says we have the tools. and lo and behold, she is a tool and georgia maloney fellow the like in like the end of the and also in the last newsletter. so we, uh, there are reports with the upcoming nato summit. the nato is gonna draw up a russell more plan for the 1st time since the cold war. but that's interesting. okay, because it's a very different nato than it was when the cold war came to an end. and nato is presumably going to have a more plan on a,

a subject where they have no definitive outcome. i mean, what, how can you make more plans when you don't know if your brain is even going to exist? or it is partially going to exist. a run state is it, you know, we'll have, you know, a word poland, you'll have to germany. maybe they be hung, gary and minority, and you in ukraine has their own ideas, your, to those that i'm talking about there. i mean, i've always done this planning planning, so really kind of interesting and basically just for p r, because how can you please make plans when you're on a rolling floor to where it is or is that carry the pregnancy is re, helps a little drywall shopping midnight tonight and after the last she is very complicated. so and shawn, us, the principal was and i have to come sheet or creation of or organization. i'm not sure they're concerned. so overall like the right side members. so suddenly it's become like i could protect for 8,

but he's like, she told me the nice for you, right? 5 is the largest size, but it's also a silver fraction of the united states because of the state of the american people themselves. and they don't offer out of this move in a more like, uh, direction uh bought a diesel engines i think, to uh, creates a site some perpetual war of. ready regarding the crime and whether it's a cycle to price it or not, it's uh it, it does, creates a division between russia and some other time she's on the well. but we have to remember some of these are conferences in the well what should type of price range that meets a certain hardly can we ask him some ice and so they shot, but i certainly talk cheese 5. i lost the confidence. so the rest of the world and um, uh,

american spain same try to set them off the united kingdom body side is being seen to be sort of a way to. so i figured i'd say the sites uh, you know, as i say about the united states and without upsetting a world which is but both a suite, as most people are outside the country. most countries, while they're not simple with a science, it's against russia, because i know it's not that bad for us yet the logic kingdom is just cut out some of the sides of the software, which together really badly affect precious business. and we also have that in mind, but the logic kingdom is traded but brushed up uh for some traders, you know, getting back to these top of the podium, but more so forth about the shape of um, the whole we, we, uh, they got my tongue full shade is after the start, but they don't even care about participate in business. let's outlined the

pressures population. this gets down to just, you know, what is it, george mean it's, it's, it's, it's ideologically driven. it is emotionally driven. it's messy amik, lisa phobia. i mean, it's a very weird mixed silence here because o benefits outside of arms, producers don't know, george, nobody benefits and what and what you just said about this nato planning. this causes a piece of the seed because during the cold war, the nato have only one scenario, which is russian attack. well, so, so in, on the diagram that's in and then they do, it will go into action based on what's happening this time. of course, nato is still pretending that his defensive, but essentially different does indeed get to and i'm compensation with robert. it will be as a consequence of aggressive actions by nature. it's because nato is essentially been uh, waging a proxy war against russia using ukraine. and that could easily get out of control,

the different lots of warnings, and then i will be a will later. so nato is a lying by saying, well, we was all defensive, defensive. know the cause of aggressive action by nature. before we end here, everybody likes to talk about article 5, but what is the article one of the tree the 30 seconds before we go to the article one is that oh bul nato bows up, committed to resulting all disputes with non native bows. in an exclusively peaceful fashion, if you don't follow that, then all the go, 5 optical 9, nothing. none of that applies. 10 seconds deal to the finish it out for us as well . a larger size. we'll have to height that some of the safer vials in the over. um simple as a wait. so obviously i wish i could pick the anyway, the just fascinating the discussion gentlemen. but we'll see you if rosen conflict

is the flavor of the week. okay. and that's all the time we have. i wanna thank my guessing where they had in budapest and what to think of us for watching us here at our pc and next time. remember about songs, the only way not to be around to see what's printing was are up at one of the so some of this, so basically of course we need your last name was name is read, it was can, when we used to live,

imagine we have some more for someone who is this, we would show new people to the, the the headlines on off the international and special and the t, tara locked down measures of put in place in the russian border region of belgrade . for a sabotaged group from ukraine was said to be tried to stage an attack every high rise buildings as well, had a russian and the 5, you know, plug, placed a top it polity reports exclusively from our toolbox to a blackboard, which has come on the russian control of the $224.00 days of some of the luckiest