speaking uh it is, uh uh, a really st volumes about the uh, cargo cult that has developed in ukraine a very tragic cargo called to the not so you can see. yeah, he's being wide uh, widely used uh any pre and usually with the uh, so for volunteer. uh, battalions, uh and this uh started, uh, says they want them to war since 2014. but now uh it has kind of traded over time into the official. uh, lets say states narrative and uh, there is nothing in the, in the eyes all about all these sponsors of this proxy war from the data side. in the eyes of the west, there's nothing wrong with it, which was really interesting because at the same time, uh we have people being accused as being fashion or not. so you remember when trump

was called literally a nazi by the so called political life. but i would say more near trotskyites in the united states, whereas is perfectly ok if the ukrainian natal proxy soldiers are directly referring to the people the you're minute doherty's have launch an investigation into the elective poisoning of 2 russian exiles a month after they reported health problems following a conference in berlin to both russians are believed to be opposition. activists who attended the berlin dissident meeting in april, triggering immediate speculation in western media about in a legit russian trace. moscow has denied any involvement, one of the russian opposition, members participating in the berlin meeting, reported her condition last week on facebook, claiming she felt the sick despite medical tests,

showing her health as fine have a suspicion that during my recent trip to europe, i was poisoned probably by some nerve agent i ended up in the emergency room was getting worse, but all my tests showed that i was an astronaut and i couldn't go straight into orbit. it's not the 1st case of western media speculating over russia's involvement and poisonings in 2020 in the west. the accused russia of using a nerve agent on opposition. activist alexi no vall, knee with germany, said it had evidence of this, but refuse to share it with russia or publicly in 2018. the u. k. blamed russia for trying to kill russian former spies surveys there. paul, journalist and political analysts. john, the raleigh says the wes, use it's media to generate and use to distract the public. there will be an independent investigation. now there will be no independent investigation. you know, we're going to get some results from the german authorities perhaps,

but we can trust the german authorities because we know the lights and why are they releasing this now? well, because they need to distract from the rest of the victory back moment. so the people in washington and london, the spin doctors, the people control with the media, they need to generate news. some news that will, that will conceal the defeats in baltimore. what's the very clear, what happened about mood? it's not simply russian victory. it's a russian victory. over in nature army, these people are at a conference in germany as far as i understand they're at a conference. we know we know very well at all these conferences. people like to drink a lot to have a lot of food. they want to have fun and i get it. have fun. that's fine. but don't when you get sick, when you drink too much or eat too much and get sick, don't blame fulton and turning to africa, our tea sets down with ryan call. we're asking c o, a rosa, adams, central and south africa office to discuss future of africa is energy development

and russia's role in it. that's coming up here in our tea. your focus is primarily sub saharan africa. and of course, with sitting here in south africa. what is your powers? he in terms of your projects and to work in this part of the world energy. obviously we saw it in the concepts and that's uh, is really struggling with energy at the moment. and if you spend and it's time and side africa, i'm sure you've noticed that the south africa is struggling. and so we're looking at energy in general, not just new care, all that is still out priority. we have a wind company called know the wind and we are actively exploring that's on the continents and particularly unsolved africa. and then obviously we're just doing our new care agenda. we have and so governments in the agreement signed with the various african nations. and we're trying to assess them and achieving then you can

visions, what countries would you identify africa as the most promising full cooperation and what are the kinds of prospects says in the south africa? so africa has a base and a long history of nuclear power. they've been operates and cubic for over the last 35 years, very successfully and very safely. they've been uprising safari, one react, so our research react to a 5 and 55 years. which means that all of the legal, regulatory bases all day for them to move forward on. and you can, you build now we see a lot of potential in, of african nations and a lot of done a great deal in terms of new camp instruction development gone and much area zambia . and wonder if we look specifically at egypt. i know that you involved in the development of nuclear pilot projects in that country. how come the egyptian experience help you with your work here in south africa?

i think it's important to 1st the night that's each country is very different, particularly when implementing a new care program. so as a responsible vendor, we really work with different countries and i look at this specifics and try and tailor make a solution for them. that's not to say that we don't learn lessons on, on each of our boats, but it's all set to nice. we, we both are the 18 vdr react as outside of russia. so we have a great deal of experience dealing in foreign countries. um, so i would say that, you know, as a responsible vendor, we really work at a scale and a pace with the countries that are interested in nuclear power to implement the program that's going to be safe and sustainable in the long term. if we look at the international scenario, how important is africa to lots of times? it's very important. so i think, i think is important to the walls. um it, so it's an important suresh and that. so it's an important to us the treasure to them. we see great potential on the continents,

not just with new care energy for electricity, but also you can research and you can medicine and various other applications when you get a technology is and then outside of the mucus, via, with wind and battery storage, where we are very active as well. we see great potential. can you give us some examples of the wind in battery storage programs that you have? i'm sorry, in russia, we have implemented a gigawatts of wind power. it's a relatively new domain for us. we aimed to have installed $1.00 gigawatts of wind and russia. um, by the end of this year. and we have not taken that's and moved into the international markets and africa being one of our key priority. so we're looking at various different project in south africa. we've identified sets and sites that we believe a with while developing on the large scale, but for municipal and corporate office type. and then we actively exploring opportunities in ethiopia as well. any other non energy applications or specific

projects that you would like to mention to? yeah, so let's see. i think another one that is very crucial specifically to advocate is food security. so large amounts of pride uses, going by farm is and unfortunately gets to the markets and doesn't make it home products. um and when you're sitting with food security issues like we all in africa, it's 5 sam quotes and super's a boot. um, so there is a, an of a technology called multi purpose creation facilities. and essentially what that does is a lot of dice, a variety ation kills all the pathogens bags, everything on food once it's already packaged. and that 1st thing makes it obviously safer to eat, but secondly, it extends the south lots of prodigies dramatically, which means you're able to secure food and a better way. there's been other applications of newton in agriculture and various, and particularly used in across africa. and other one is in sets,

it's cold, sterile, and sick technique which is is quite innovative. and essentially, instead of in our covering a, a piece of land and pesticides. if you have a one problem bike, for instance, in south africa, we had a such as such as beats, so that was destroying the citrus industry. so what you would do is you would read the specific past in captivity, you with any radiates, all of the males and you would release them into the environments they would go into pro, creates however, they would not produce any all spring. that way the, the problem insect population diminishes and diminishes until it no longer becomes an issue, but you haven't killed everything with a blank pesticide. and then in terms of specific projects, we worked on the fantastic project in south africa. it was called the roster type project's south africa has a great issue with ronald approaching. so we partnered with the vets university

and we look said a very, very um, nice way off of um, curbing reino, purchasing in the country. and so essentially the project aimed to firstly make it more difficult to transport, a brand new one. so obviously having radioactive material, you can go through various ports where the ports on monitors. and there are many ports of monitors across ports across the globe. side makes it that much more difficult to, to transport the home. and then secondly, you know, having a radioactive products, i think it makes, it's great to be less desirable for the end user and where you're successful with the vinyl. when we did, you have any figures that showed that it had come down. so essentially we participate in the 1st phase of the project and that was really to make sure that it was safe for the animals. so we injected a,

stabilize the type which is completely harmless, into the horn of a number of ramos, and they wouldn't want it sent over a period of time. we also helps with the developing the special metals that would then be radiated, inserted into the one of the rama. and since then, there's been a great deal of 3. the work that's being done, computer work that's being done in monitoring it's and the project is still ongoing . we hope that one day um, you know, be able to inserts these already isotopes into the ones of rhonda and that it will code the, the poaching that sounds very promising. other any other projects in the future that you can share with us on the assignments. but so we will keep you updated the new key industry. is it incredibly fascinating industry? and there's always something and there's always something promising. and the great thing about our industry is that everything that we do is for the betterments of the world and human kind. and what's the response we'd like from both the south

african government and governments elsewhere in africa. was there as a tom. yeah. and towards the punch of such a planning to implement already are implementing generally very positive. we haven't really had any issues on the confidence. i think there's a, a long standing relationship between russia and african nations. and i think we're able to build on that's, you know, as i said earlier, africa is really struggling when it, when it comes to power. and as far as the time we are able to provide solutions that are going to assess them in a sustainable, long term future. just following up from the point where you said africa's really struggling when it comes to policy. why? i think various different reasons. i think policy, it has a great deal to do with that. and i think that a positive policy shift would really bring private investments into africa. i don't think that africa can certainly rely on funds and governments to governments sort

of loans to, to solve its problems. so i think that's, you know, the policy in, in africa generally needs to change to become more suitable for private investments . and do you see that happening? i do. yeah. i think 10 is a very good example of that. and you know, they've done great strides in the last number of years in their last mile projects, and they've connected a lot of people to the grid that generally didn't have electricity before. so there's definitely positive movements across the concepts in terms of electrification. nikia science and technology has been cited as one way of managing the constraints specifically to agricultural production and productivity in africa . all the, any other examples you can share with us of unexpected uses of nuclear technology in africa? yeah, certainly, i mean, i think a key one is obviously new to medicine and all the african itself is very limited

when it comes to and you can medicine, south africa is advancing quite quickly. so let's say keep really in terms of the detection of cancer and various of the elements of all illnesses. and that would be through spect and pet c t scanners. and then there's obviously various different new can medicine there therapies that are able to assist in, in cancer treatments. and in general, these therapies are very invasive, very focused, and that can really save lives. so we're seeing an expansion of, of new 10 medicine across the continent which is very promising. and i think it's going to be massive for, for the concepts. and there's so many people in the constant, and that's simply go and diagnosed when it comes to cancel. the idea that you can medicine seems so it's lost. i don't know if that's an awkward to use, but they so many problems at africa's facing and african. so many ways is also behind the rest of the world in terms of technology. is it realistic for africa? i think it has to be realistic. um, you know, africa is

a bond thing and the incredibly intelligence incredibly motivates and people across the confidence. and we've got students over 400 students that are, are currently studying various different disciplines in russia. and i think that's, it certainly is a possibility. and i think it is something that the consonant has to procedure for its people. one of the things with the confidence of history also has this uranium in abundance, a critical material when you get into programs, obviously. and then maybe a 9 to are among the top 6 global produces of uranium with south africa and various other countries also producing the commodity in smaller quantities. how strong is your cooperation with these countries and how do you plan to strengthen us? so 1st thing we have to uranium assets on the confidence we've got one in terms of the i call them, could you, rebecca? and we actually offensive offers potted plants up and running by june this year.

and then we are very actively exploring a sites and that may be a and, and we are currently busy with the preliminary phases of exploration. but we believe it to be a very, very suitable software in such a meeting. and once we have concluded our exploration, where we believe it's going to be a very important asset in terms of strengthening our relationships where they're responsible, then the um, sustainability for us as vastly important. so everything that we do, we make sure that it includes local communities that we are always in, prep protect the environments and obviously human resource development and localization is sparsely important for us. he told about sustainability, but of course is also the concern of what it does to the environment, particularly when projects in wasting companies. unfortunately, particularly those that have been associated with you. rainy and mining has often been court in scandalous situations. for example, in nature, a french country left

a lot of radioactive waste and local residents suffered from that. so how come also come guarantee that in the course of your work with nuclear foot fuel, everything will go well and they'll be no contamination that follows. i think 1st it's important to differentiate between uranium mining and eventually fueled as a number of processes that happened in between. that's before you are able to provide enrich uranium and then fabricates of fuel rods. um, in terms of our uranium mining assets, we've got a number across the car across the wells and we abide by all of the level best practices as well as local and national and international legislation. again, as a very responsible vendor, we make sure that we protect our stock 1st and foremost them the environments and the local communities. and then we have a very long and successful um,

new care waste program that's being developed in russia. so we are able to, to do everything that we do in a sustainable manner with people and the environment being put foot 1st. so i think, you know, differentiating us from other companies is ready, the, the responsibilities and the, the on the programs and strategies that we put in place around everything that we do to make sure that it's a nice springs, no harm to any people. and to the environments we were coming in, it's been around for 65 years and we tend to be around for the fall longer. so, you know, we rarely rarely make sure that everything that we do is, is absolutely correct and for the benefits of the local community and the world. and we, we were talking earlier and you mentioned, i think was 400 all 500 students that are studying in, in, in russia, over 400 african countries. obviously have expressed a desire to use media palate,

but you need qualified specialist for that. aside from those students who i'm presuming are studying those kind of qualifications as well. so tell me ready to help with any kind of other personal training and all the any other educational programs we have in place besides those of the students in, in russia. yes, absolutely. so we have those 400 students setting on full bursaries at various different institutions in russia, and they would then feed back into various new care programs on the concepts beyond that we've got training the training and we've got various different in the university agreement. so between mfc in russia and various universities on the continents, as well as tom's public techniques university. so we have programs that we would run together and develop strategies as well as coursework for local universities to be able to train people. we understand that human resources are absolutely critical

to make any project with particularly and then you can just treat it as a very stringent and very specific industry. and we need people that are highly qualified and highly trained to, to participate in these programs. so for us, long before we even start and instagram a mental relations or a contractual relations, we start with human resource developments. and that's done on our side to ensure that we are able to negotiate firstly with highly trained customers and then successfully implement projects and your opinion. what do you think will be the type of energy that will prevail in africa in the next 50 years? and you can clean or conventional energy that is derived from and most, i think renewable energy as certainly going to pay a major role in, in energy in africa. and we can see that already crafts. but i don't think we can set aside conventional energy is going to play

a role in the consonants. we're going to use call. we're going to use well, and that's really going to need to balance the instruments and see that's renewable spring. rise so size. so suddenly it's going to be an energy mix and it has to be, we conscious focus on giving people electricity order. it is a key key thing to do, but we need to grow industry africa. unfortunately, it to many expense has missed the 3rd industrial revolution rights. and now we're looking at the 4th. but i think we need to go back and we need to say, you know, look at all of the minerals on the ground of africa. they need to be refined in africa, and in order to do that, you need masses of, of energy. and so for that reason, i believe that conventional energy is going to pay a role. and i think back in new k a has to play a role in science of green by slide out. i mean, it is the most reliable, it is the most efficient and it has the green and source of, of energy. plus the time obviously being

a russian company who had any kind of negative feedback in terms of being russian in africa at particularly at this time when is the sensitivity around what's happening in ukraine? no, i don't believe so, and that's not enough for can i believe that's, you know, the solutions that we are offering solutions that are required that are needed. we're a very reliable part and, and, and that's being proven globally. um, so you know, african nations are still looking at us to assist them with that. then you can missions and obviously they will be some of the, just the core issues and some financial issues that have arisen. but we are very flexible company and we are able to work around that and we're able to work with our partners to count. we've become any hurdles or do you think that the threat of sanctions for cooperation with russia could change to south africa? for example, south africa's asked you to work with wasa. tom has mentioned me hi plots,

but everything is a possibility. we again, we remain a very responsible and very reliable part of that. and i think that our technology and i'll solution, speak for themselves in terms of, of our technology. it is generation 3 plus we have $34.00 units under construction globally. and that makes us the need in terms of, of nuclear power in the world. i think that's recognize, i think the fact that we're supplying over 50 countries either enriched uranium or fabricate some few is also speaks for itself. so in terms of a reliable partner going into the future, i don't think anyone can lacroix, eyes of tom to germany is, you know, is going to be about nuclear power completely. what do you think about this? and do you think that will have any impact on african lead is deciding how much make you a power to implement will not germany is in a very different situation to most african nations. and particularly south africa,

germany has the luxury of being able to buy power from the neighbors. and we unfortunately don't. in many cases, we isolated, we have isolated grids and we have limited resources. if i take south africa for an example, in terms of baseline energy, we've really got cole and we don't have large scale hydro, and we don't have a gas pipeline at this point some time. so i think, you know, we're going to have to look at it's from what is required. we always advocate for an energy mix. as i said earlier, we have a wind company, we supply a battery storage. so we're not opposed to any of the electricity sources, but we believe that it needs to be a balance mix that is firstly good for the environment. but secondly, is able to stimulate industry and, and you're not going to do that without large baseline power. south africa, they say by the end of the year we'll have something like 16 hours

a day without electricity. nano sarcastic has a very unique example. but from your perspective, what is the number one party for africa when it comes to power? is it giving people electricity or is it other things? i think 1st and foremost, it is giving people electricity and giving them dignity, that is box and the box and importance rice. but as of alluded to that we have to focus on industry. if we want to pull africa out of the situation, it is we need to create jobs. and to do that, we need to build industry and an industry is going to apply a huge amounts of electricity. and if we talk about electricity, how bad is the situation visa be providing some parts of africa with electricity? i mean, i think some of you is not gonna even be aware of the fact that there must be parts of africa we. people simply have never had access to electricity a plus plus simply this of a 650000000 people on the constant that do not have access to electricity. and many

cases it's dia, um, you know, beyond, you know, children not being able to study it, not because they simply don't have access. there's also the issue of cooking. so a lot of cooking is done with fossil fuels. it's done with woods, which is obviously detrimental to people's health. so a great deal needs to be done in terms of uplifting africa from an energy perspective. and i assume you wouldn't be in this position if you would not often mistake, but it's a staggering figure of 650000000 people. one for you is the prognosis going forward? are you optimistic in terms of how african looks in the next few years these of the power? yeah, absolutely. i'm optimistic. i think in a most african countries are doing a lot and terms of the energy strategy in terms of putting things in place to make electrification possible. i alluded to kenya early, i think there's a lot of other african countries that are doing very good jobs in terms of, of putting in place what's needed to be able to attract the investments required to

electrify the nation's the will never be of victory for russia. we solutions when you're still waiting muchly, waiting for them to locate me as a proxy this, as a war between russia and the united states, or maybe come to the us. you said the name of the forces are in, you're not in your engaging conflict. the russian forces american forces are here to defend nato allies. nato escalates even more in the special military operation, becoming more bills of sounds like the social is much to see if that i see

failure to us live so easily issue and weakened east of media. almost then some, let's see, let's finish that. when you see where there's there, i see the

the ability to produce to use it. those are the additional sort of both. i'm not going to be on the bottom of the dora slash pursuing the flash. yeah. because i moved enough, i just wonder was it was just a little after much me on this because the symbol which is good for those who release to feet. know, all you simply want to do, you do us the

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