so i as well in a certain way, they need it, they build to their prosperity and not only on, on the unique internal 1st social economic model, but ill on the ability to, to extract extra benefits from the rest of the world. now, i don't see any indicators. the united states or europe are intellectually prepared for the new ways of leaving him together with the states on the equal basis and before t until until the will understand how to preserve the internal stability without ultimate capabilities on international soon before they're on to or they will try to resist the new, the new, the changes now and just uh, through uh, the united states and europe and one boss getting. but historically, you're expressing your has a very different historical experience. and i would claim, collect a psychological makeup. that trajectory of development has been different the and

they faced with different challenges and you wrote a pretty hard to take seeing that the russia objectively and historically is an adversary of western europe, not of the united states, but of course the murals. which as i said, is hard to take because through all the cold, cold war and even after that we tried and for a while seemingly succeeded in establishing a relationship on more or less equal basis a place to canal mclee. they were cultural exchanges. there were some social interaction. why do you think we are due to being adversary's? well, well, russia has been having cause i relationships and colleagues from the columbus was europe for hundreds years. but it did not prevent us from being converse or is as well rational by the by the faith of history by uh,

by nature has been the open until forced to europe seems rusher and moved as a big power seems the beginning of the 16th century and then the authors agreed that russia, as each neighbors, europe used only one non european power, which has been able to defend its so very nice international defense. but the price which brush or pays for that and to replace for that is the permanent, those scenario relationships. me, which is now i'm pretty much in the open, but let's discuss that. in the 2nd part. we have to take a short break, but we'll get back in just a few moments stitch and the

so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy. taishan, let it be an arms race is on all sides. very dramatic. only personally, i'm going to resist, i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult time time to sit down and talk the the,

[000:00:00;00] the welcome back to wells. the parts with you a hand board that shelf program director of the, of all the discussion club. timothy you wrote recently that we leave in iraq when even petitions cannot publicly acknowledge the indivisibility of power politics. and i study psychology a collective psychology on the side, and it's an oxy on there that if we suppress or don't acknowledge something, it's bound to have, it's outside, i'm conscious influence. i wonder if the ukrainian conflict, which brought out this very serial relationship we discussed previously, bits in the russia and western europe into the open can change any of that. because in a way it's a, it's

a russian direct. the russian move against this proxy use of power by the west as well. uh, the peoples to discuss what is what was 1st rush uh west until february relationships and ukrainian conflicts as a consequence or otherwise, as you've said. so i think because there are to the conflict to about ukraine isn't the same time, is there conflict of is the continuation of russian history, of course. and at the same time, the conflict about the future balance of power in your we believe that in many, in your appointed united states, assume that uh, the success afresh on the successful accomplishment of the russian goals and ukraine will pull from the west in the very very,

very difficult position of growing crushing power advisor in europe was over. go to europe. uh so uh, but at the same time this is, this construct is about to for us in history. the bottom fresh and civilization is unfinished. the russian history is a, oh say here with this always i'm senior. so i mean to and that would be serious the, that's a, that's not the last thing that matter. because i mean, the russians, the kremlin prize, the nasa line, and they're just course or the fight against snap citizen, uh, or against supremacy as an ideology. and we saw that we have uh, dealt with that in the 20th century. reducing is, could ever be determinant. we finished this approach that some of nations explicitly better than others. and, you know, certain nations have certain rules for themselves, but uh, you know, apply, you ask whether we can defeat nationalism. yeah, no, no, no, it is impossible. nationalism, but the supremacy, the idea that you know,

one group of nations or one nation is by definition, is better than the same nationalism in the supremacy. idea is the same. and the national is one, fortunately is the part of human nature. but it won't come on, there is a benevolent nationalism understanding your history excepting dark and do hope i see that there's a better word to them. okay, well, national recently is about 14 to nation to put, you know, nation on the top on the others and considering your nation as more advanced or more supreme to the other nations. unfortunately, the emergence of the european of the present to europe in the nation state was a company i was that was the national of these, basically the, the, the present, the friends of brenton or e to lee or spain, all the products of national lease. and that's why, for the western europeans,

it to so difficult to understand what we say just for them. it is because for them ukrainian nationalism is nothing special. the french eliminated the national minorities in their own countries. they any, any capabilities for them, for, for the national minorities to express the political will. so for them, the nationalism is okay, i'm do bringing nationalism is okay for the western europe. and this is one of the debris mon, but, and then a lender completely understanding between the russian investigator. i'm sure he may play out some of these disagreements here. and because i think the core purpose of the united nations, at least as an idea, is that to give a space for paint and patriotism of all countries. but also to postulate some sort of structure that allows you know, the differences, divergent interest of those countries to be solved out openly out in the open through los, through international legislation. but the emergence of proxy wars and various methods of, you know,

accomplishing your goals through various methods is in fact the version of, of the united nation system. can we ever, at least come to a point when dealing out in the open is a preferred way of construing international politics? well, 1st of all, i think the, the, to the core purpose of the united nations as institutions was to integrate so between young and, and china, into the western dominate system. so to make and the soviet union and then late to china, not the revolutionary powers, but parts of the system and then deal with them within the system as the, the west need and defeated soviet union within this, the wisdom dominated system represented by and boarded by the united nations. but having said that, i don't think that the idea of united nations is the 1st one. i think that in the future,

depending on the composition of power and on the abilities of the state of the north western states and the west. to get in terms of the united nation system, kind of where account can actually serve the purposes which you have described. and perhaps not only because of some high about principles, but because of the basic necessity. as you mentioned, the number of international players increases and from the games theory, a win win, and authentic win win. proposition is the cheapest though, for everyone to accomplish something, but also not to lose. a lot of war that we are facing right now is, is a very heavy and very expensive option for both russia, ukraine, and perhaps even the so for the west, do you think uh, what do you think will be the, the idea logical, or the conceptual outcome of, of these experiments, this is too early to say. this is definitely too early to say,

because what we're seeing is not the world form. so the international system has gone through several global wars which directly engaged many participants. so far we see that this is a proxy confident between a washer and the west and the west side. so what is the hands of the for your patience? so i think that the edition management, the international community will need to go for many of such a conflicts before we will be able to, to see, to see the outcomes, to, to, to see the more interest and more, more internally, balanced international order. and it's, it's institutional embodiment you mentioned before, the american strategic goal here is to we can the russia to next found that it cannot defend or perhaps the sorts itself, militarily, do you think it's a feasible goal? and i'm asking, you're not as a, you know, impact to patrons,

but as somebody from the deluxe to the really school. so i'm sure you, you look at it, i don't think ok, i don't think this thing to that. it is a physical because russia is, and they're mostly kept. my number's gonna reach was, it was surface. russian, the institutional system is very strong russian state, and there obviously is very strong and fresh. an economy is doing well and actually in russia has been never and before fighting the war in such as gould and comfortable international environment as we do have now. thanks to the change on the global distribution of power, things to the emergence of china, india, and others, as a toner, just bought those things to the ability to collect data as rush, like those who come back to 100 years a go off to the october able to explosion because i do from the rush when the so

the to actual was completely isolated, truly, completely isolated. there was no china, no region nobody. and so it's a slow we to action needed to stand alone against the colonial and fires of the west of the sure of the united states. now the situation is completely different. now if we keep talking about the powerful countries, the use of power, do you think the means we assessed the power need to change as well? because you know, people, at least the western economy is often refer it to gps. so, you know, like this paramount the benchmark and it's pretty clear that there is a difference in feasible physical assets and the inflated artificial assets. again, the, the ability to use your power in a one country may have a basis all over the world. but the ability to actually effectively use that power may not be there. so do you think are approaches to how we assess,

you know, great power or even mid sized power capabilities, economic, cultural, social, military influence? do they need to be reframe somehow as well? i think we need to judge by the outcomes from now we see that how many percent of global should it be a rush or 2 percent, most of the like the same significant the router. so now you see the country which represents about 2 percent of the global to do p e is able to stand against the west for more than one year. was only economic sanctions, so cetera, et cetera. so what's the bottom of my power minute, those? and the meaning of power ease to, to make you able to defend your, your values or so was the sole meaning of fuel power. you'll defend your survival and your vegas. so we see that russian power is enough to defend our survival. and

the values begins the community to the powers by the west. we have only a few minutes left. and i do want to ask about ukraine because it's a speaking about the rest of us defending itself on its values. it's a fairly large country in the middle of europe, and i think the long term stability, either in this country or of this territory, is in russia's immediate interest, and hopefully in the interest of the western europe as well. who do you think will assist ukraine in the rebuilding some semblance of stability? do you think the west be the united states or germany, a willing or capable to pay for this? and do you think china can offer something attractive enough to the ukrainians to entice piece well before? well, um, before the queen in uh, february 2014 ukraine has been receiving lots of money from

russian. lots of resources for impression inquiry. and she has been receiving an investment from the west and also some an investment from china for 25 years. even though these fantastic, i put union cheese the have not been able to do anything with their own country. nothing a. do you believe that the why the magic could the new money which like to come to your queen full health off to such a failure? i don't believe i'm because re corrupt and down my long side, the west, the because we go up to the long side do is because the weather was bad because the climb, which was not squared uncomfortable even though you queen enjoys the best way when you are because of the solar room photo flyers and because of the many reasons we, we know that we know they failed. okay, but it just seems destiny. they're still not sure if it's less than in ukraine by the video to absorber feet. use the reach just in terms of soil, in terms of the excess to the truck,

international transportation. and it was actually a very developed country when the semi do, you know, collapsed the last of all, how do you see the future after all, after this conflict as how do you see the future of this land territory and nation, whatever. i don't know, i don't see any future a oh, that's a horrible point to end. our colors a owed 3 to 5 years, but you can always be a cynics rising out of the ashes. sure. and we believe in the russians having, having lost so many millions of people really know what it is to hit the wrong button. they also have that experience. now, do you fully reject any, any hope for them? look, let us look at the other states on the former soviet union. let us look at the central asian countries, for example, whom we are discussing. now during our conference was a very bad decline,

which was a relatively small populations with a few resources they managed to maintain stability, stable and cooperative relations between them. even though they share the what are they should ab roofing, the managed, the managed to preserve this deed. they managed to result in many prompts, the many problems still in the place, but they managed it without such a help from russia was also to help from the west without result in many, many things which granules so well. we have to leave it. there has been, as usual, great pleasure to talk to him. thank you. and thank you for watching hope to see you again. unable to parse

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the the one civilian is killed, the wounded any do crating attack on russians? bel googled region most go say that was 17 militants were killed in the right. oh, so this out economy started shooting back up in $24.00 and you have that easy with just the regular winter. i think i think the worst is you have to come. because that in 2 minutes to say here was save from an image, it is often lost when said by warm weather, brussels weren't beside the feet. lucky next time in the meeting says, holding dream, energy washes deputy national security change needs with the defense of it. as to of loss, as the 2 countries take to expand military partnership to account for security threats and access,

the very will welcome from over the last team. you're watching all the international coming to live it from the russian capital scripts. happy with our top story, at least one civilian has been killed. in 13 others wounded as a result of ukrainian militant strike on russia's belgrade region of this. but it shows the area where, according to russia's defense, ministry, 70 k of lead sabotaged, was killed following the failed attack. old ortiz have already completed the account of terrorism investigation into the incident and have stated that the rate was in response to k of 15th in the last 2 months. this is the key of resemble having suffered a defeat in the city of arthur most has switched to the implementation of terrorist tactics against civilians. on may 22nd,

the unit of ukrainian nationalists invaded the territory of the russian federation during the counter terrorism operation. the nationalist formations were thwarted and defeated more than 70 ukrainian terrace for armoured combat vehicles. and 5 pickup trucks were destroyed. the ukrainians habits hers took control of a bold gold uh border crossing and a cultural house. and a russia responded by launching. i'm te, tell her operations, are these you crazy insipid tools as we understand how being pushed back the local population has been evacuated for their safety, families, and people. of course, in the civilian boda area, the local government has also want people to be aware of fake news. now, you know, there's a lot of speculation circulating on social media and telecom tunnels, but he's so, you know, said to people just wait for official statements like we take it in by these uh, uh, the are these, these speculation in. busy i'm fake news now. the crime in preston street to meet 2

pasco has said that most is deeply concerned by this attack. and earlier he said that this was a possibly a diversion because away from the news that the ukraine had lost all html. it's known as a also known as black boots. of course, the fighting had been taking place there for more than $200.00 days. so this was a huge loss. full, a full cab on his western bucket. so this was seen as something of a, of a smoke screen. now washington has also commented and it said that it doesn't support ukraine a carrying out. so until preparations and such attacks on russian territory. like tom says, 2 days before the attack on belk road, us space type company max, i use it sounds like the film, the region, the firm is partially funded by the us government and provides intelligence for the pentagon and the american secret service. back in july, my son was also supported filming the region just prior to a deadly ukrainian custom boma tag on

a civilian area which killed full to us supplies. combat vehicles will also reportedly use utilized in the top corner, which has been captured by russian forces. meanwhile, journalist sub drilled, the usa department's folks posted on washington's assurances that american weapons wouldn't be used to strike russian territories, resulting in the us distancing itself from the instance. so in the there were, there are obviously these reports and there's images online that suggest american weapons have been used. so i know you don't know, but do you support us weapons being used on russian territory and, and would that change the calculus of providing a 16 to grant? we have made very clear to that ukraine's, that we don't enable or encourage attacks outside ukrainians, borders. but i do think it's important. just take a step back and remind everyone to remind the world is of course, it is russia that launched this war. it's russia that continues to launch attacks

on civilians and recreated the rest of its target schools and hospitals and civilian infrastructure. so it is up to ukraine to decide how they want to conduct their military operations. but it is russia that has been the aggressor and this was independent journalist. sonya vanda then decided that motion to prove the maybe doesn't even tell what happens to russians because that the enemy, the us. the reality of course is that of course, the us doesn't prove or doesn't proof and maybe doesn't even care who is texting because you know, they're already in to be for the us. so at the reality on the ground is far more different on the west. want you to believe that the western media and maybe also to pull additions, then this attack is actually from the russian opposition. the russian opposition groups. it's, it's the reason what they do and this is what we saw in syria. and this is now that has all of our channels. this is what they're going to do now in trying and

terrible way to a tech rusher. this is perfect timing, of course, because you know, they, they know they have lost even contradictory in the media. again in the western media is saying that it's all, it's not sure because, you know, some ask who said on the do, says adult in here or she was then maybe some ukrainian forces are still holding back. there is somehow the outskirts of uh, channels. but actually they know they, they have lost the deputy chairman of russia is a security council, is amazing. his counterpart in laos, in order to deepen decades of collaboration in military and other spheres policies . maria phenomenons of the sales. i mentioned this comes here to asia as a time when western powers are trying to win over the region using carriers and sticks when it comes to the rushing you for an in conflict, trying to bring as many countries to the side as they can at the end of these 3 day official visits, 1st to vietnam,

and then louse 2 countries which historically strong links to most coats, men of praised, both states commitments to continue strengthening the corporation on strategic partnership with russia. with us that it gets on the, as we've traditionally had friendly relations with both of vietnam and louse. and this has been the case for decades in addition to interest state relations, which have significantly strengthened in recent years. we are currently developing inter party ties with the ruling parties in these countries. in my opinion, these connections are productive and represent an additional channel of communication between our states to solve a variety of tasks you lowe's, and to us sentiment is very strong hearing louse, the country, sewer members, american bonds between 19641973. you were in the vietnam war, american pilots made around 6 100000 searches over the country, dropping over 2000000 tons of bonds. the support of the soviet union help the

country with that or something that allows that the countries leadership stressed repeatedly. you remember that was to be the tier will never forget and will always be grateful for relations between loss and rush. you have always been built on trust and mutual support and both regional and international arenas. in particular, your country provided inviolable assistance during the national liberation struggle flowers. we highly appreciate our level of cooperation with russia, as well as the help that we received from the ussr and are now receiving from russia mainly in terms of male to technical equipment. training of personnel and assistance in economic development, thanks to this support we were able to initially defend and now to actively develop and strengthen our national economies. nato is trying to expand its geographic region. a 3rd is filtering for those in south asia, or to contain china using a strategic security practice between plus trulia, india, japan, and the united states,

known as waterlines. sometimes jobs has the asian native russian jewish to ask to meet them instead of how russia and its asian partners viewed the developing situation. he's what he had to say. they need my clothing with regard to new alliances which are being formed in the asia pacific region. it's quite obvious that some nations are neutral towards our country. in many cases, even inviting us to be observers. however, some of these newly formed partnerships are hostile towards the states in the region. this is how we see, for example, quad arcus and other alliances that have partnerships with non regional players because of natives. interference in the region, and barking on their global projects and destabilizing the situation. western sanctions targeting not only russia, but all those close to moscow are series to ask for a long time forecast of russia worldwide, including this particular region. small economy is like why also as for example,

are especially vulnerable. the wes, growing military aspirations in this region, adds to the increasing tensions, but has the slater's state official visit showed those efforts and of course, having the desired effect. griffin ocean on how t from laos below just populated muslim nation. indonesia has signed a major economic deal with as well on the spawn us functions previously slowing the flow of trade between the countries highlighted by the radian presidents during a press conference. we believe that sanctions and threats cannot stop us in any way from corporation and communication with neighboring countries. muslim nations that are aligned with us in various fields. but he'll aims to boost the indonesians economic ties with the middle east divide lawn, which is on his way to becoming an essential transit hub as part of a massive infrastructure projects with russia and didn't did to. one of those,