the close was right, this is the great reset, but not how they had anticipated it, at least in this direction. and then what kind of brown reaction do you expect from donald trump, to uh, desantis, popping off and challenging him like this? brutal, nasty, uh, almost juvenile, shave, juvenile back, biting. i mean spirited or your, i mean, and that's what his fans love. donald trump, minutes is no words. you don't need shut g p t for donald trump. he basically said he's boring. he has no personality. donald trump, there's nothing sophisticated about his particular barbs. nothing. high, brown. you don't need oscar. wilde will never be uh, confused or with the donald trump. it's very 3rd grade. very, very a playground but very effective. and let me tell you something. in 2016,

donald trump went up against every major republican there was and basically made fun of them made fun of their looks and their name and one. so the question is, this is in 2016 and one more thing. a lot of americans here are saying they do not want to go through more. uh, trump arrangement, more problems, more into your family, inter nice scene fighting among relatives who hate each other. this is what people are. no, no more for years. i can't take donald trump, but they say that fear radically. but let's see what happens. let's see what happens exactly. legally media, unless line on buddy, thanks always a pleasure. thank you. the us based micro chip company mike long has that it will lose a big part of his revenue. if china goes through with his announce donald is products we most south korea cannot comment. it's saying it's supply is a free to fill the gap. so the chinese walk is left by mike holmes,

depart you regarding the us tells us to do or not to do. it is actually up through all companies. both samsung, this k holly mix with global operations, will make a judgment on this according to reports last month of washington, all south korea to just chip produces to hold back from increasing sales to china. if aging most to restrict microns for that another us move. last year in posing strict chip controls on china and many of its tech manufacturers, independent of the as told as he believes. but china is binding south korean shit make is in an effort to boost its own nations capabilities to the korean companies . samsung in particular, which also makes this type of mike to sort of them the, this is the chinese decision to cut off us supplies. is what we call a, what do i call a pyrrhic victory?

it's an empty victory because the they know very well the us will. this is south korea we're talking about. so the us will send a few commands in the these companies, samsung and others will be banned from selling the product to china. i think the real goal for the chinese government here is to accelerate china as o capability or in this fear increase the amount and in through the technology thingy. thanks for joining us. hey, on the international web. back at the top of the yeah, with more of the latest but outside to the about the

hello and welcome to cross software. all things are considered on peter lavelle. why isn't there any public debate on the competition? ukraine? why have be leads? embrace to war and shun negotiations. where's the anti war movement? and more importantly, how is all of this helping ukraine? and it's people, the of the cross ocoee, the west and ukraine. i'm joined by my guess michael, my loop and rest than he is a former pendant guns senior security policy analyst in winnipeg. we have our freeman. he is called director of the international manifesto group as well as a researcher at the university of manitoba in canada. and in oxford,

and we crossed to roger mackenzie. he is an international editor. i gentleman comstock rose and i think that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated, michael, let me go to you 1st here, i'm titling this program, sacrificing ukraine. i propose that was a very interesting article, the new york times a few days ago, titled the u. s. should be a force for peace in the world. well, i think we should all agree with that. but one of the most, the most important take away in the context of ukraine and the leads is this sentence here, 2 sentences and diplomacy? well, one must attempt strategic empathy seeking to understand one's adversaries. this is not weakness. it is wisdom. and i can think of a better way to encapsulate the madness that we're all experiencing, michael as well. we're just saying that the opposite of we've been that more for 22 years, plus and i don't see any ending to it any. and in terms of the united states,

but it's, it's, it's driven by ideology. it's also driven by a hoax and add it to a hoax that the democrats have to live with. and since the united states remains the super power of the world, whatever it does says, or grieves at or thinks, that's what rules these days. and it's, it's, and we're seeing this now with a, we're seeing rebellion to this notion in the world by other countries, such as the bricks. now the se, in the countries that want to divest themselves of the us dollar. and that's just of the matter of how other countries of the world are sick and tired of the us constantly at war is what the noise in their economies and, and driving and, and driving the world into a constant frenzy on the break of a default on our end and, and also depression on there. and so it's, it's, something's got to give and, and we're seeing that the, the,

the press in the united states, as, as the in lock step with this administration. they're actually controlled by this administration. and when you have something like this and, and you don't have a posing voices, and they're being kept down because we weaponized their own law enforcement. and it's, it's, it's a sad state. and so at least other countries are beginning to rebuild. and i would like to see more of that. yeah. well, and i mean, that's what i, that's a good segue to what i wanted to ask about, you know, in my introduction, you know, where's the anti war movement? i mean, this isn't a leak project with, you know, people, they, there's no debate. i mean, i remember, you know, with the ad they run up to the iraq war. there was a lot of debate that was a lot of protesting, that was i and, and it was on a national television. it was in the newspapers. eventually these people got shut down, but it did happen. there were protest, particularly in europe here. oh, what does happen isn't just because of the internet and you can control what people see in here, alan?

yeah, well, i think the basic problem is that we don't live in a democratic society in the west. now that's a truism, right? it could be a trophy and so you just saying that, but in the following sense, there is a systematic sentiment of opposition to the will in the west. if you look at the pulse, they are all between 20 and 50 percent of the population. some cases even higher, such as austria, who don't want to well why don't negotiations. they find no expression in any problem entry potty. that means that 20 percent of the population have no representation and ball, and then they would be 30 and pays the liberties call them and they would be 20 in the us, solomon. they would be 50 or so in the canadian call them. and god knows how many in the gym and problem and if there was a real representation. now what's happened? and the reason for this is the policies were the original idea of a coffee is it represents what the people want to say. they've been turned into the

opposite. they tell the people, well, the room is welcome to do that. she's very clear. let me give you just one example . there was a very big group for them, pays in the british light of poverty. and we know how big the support for that. so to view is because of the but the jeremy cold and go in the last election. and they wanted to assign a declaration calling for peace that so calling for peace issued by this the woman . and they were told that if they did that they would be expelled from the light about that kind of thing. you look at the way the democratic elections are conducted. i mean, i'd be very interested to see what other people think of the candidacy of robot kennedy who has come out to negotiations and how he will fail, but he's already coming under the full show media. yeah, well he's, he's a perfect example of how you crush someone. i mean, i mean, a man of that kind of political pedigree. it's really amazing here. let me go to roger here. you know, i've written kind of echoing what alan was saying. we had the foreign minister of germany, angelina,

better bach. she said she didn't care with her constituent style when it came to ukraine. that said the, that's actually exactly what alan said here. but you know what, roger, what's really pathetic is that they get away with it. okay. and you know, i, for months and months and months meeting up to this complex every single program i recorded here on cross lock on r t. moore and everyone. a conflict is coming and when it came, what, what was the result? not that i was right, is that i was censored and i was deleted from youtube. this, these are the people we're dealing with. roger, i think it's really easy to have this discussion. and i kind of very global, no sense. hi, when, when actually, when you look at the support for this war across the world, most of the world does not support um what, what the us and the allies a doing fine and to the last drop of ukrainian blood. basically,

most people don't support obama. and so i think when we talking about whether or not there's a um, does that make sense a piece across the world. we shouldn't just talk about it in terms of why the u. k. m in a, the us what's going on that and, and, but even then actually that, that is a and certainly in the you, k is a very vibrant and sequel movement still in here. well, they don't get is a publicity, because that's within the control of that and the levels that it control the media and so on. and organizations of the media atlas, progressive media outlets don't get the same attention bus actually across the world. there's a movement for pace taking place to is massive, why people want to say, and negotiated settlement the understands the security concerns of russia. the

underst i'm. is that the, the way that the us is trying to have yet to know the proxy will and have this is just one more in a step towards the next come slate gray, china over tie one bullet st. but rods or you speak the words of wisdom and reason . ok. and national interest here. let me go back to to michael here. and that's the problem here is we, it's meal liberalism, roger is absolutely right. but it's an a messianic neo liberalism. but what they do is it's being crated into a binary. any kind of negotiation is, is negotiate and negotiating with the devil. that's how they've framed that it's a binary. that's why we're never going to get anywhere until the, the, the, the last soldier dies on the field. michael, i. well, i am seeing the world reacting. we are, people are beginning to really react against the us led unipolar world order. and we're seeing that it's just being accelerated now because of ukraine.

ice 1st saw begin when the trump dropped out of the j. c p. o. way you knew right then and there, there was a benchmark moment. i was in a ron when it happened. and you could tell me the whole attitude, the whole atmosphere, just change that we are in for a big change. and that's what's beginning to happen now. and we're seeing the saw, the, the saudis, and, and the, you a switch, you know, we're away from the us dollar. i mean, all of this is trending. but to get to your point i, i'm working with a group of retired generals who wants to bring peace school, say more, they've had enough of it. and, and, and there has to be an alternative. but you're also dealing with idea logs in this country under the, by the administration and then, and they are still leading. and that's uh, victoria newland and, and, and by and himself who, who actually prompted and, and, and encouraged the crew in 2014 in ukraine because they see they see ukraine as the

last investigative ultimately trying to contain russia. if not, bring about regime change there and it is, it is a dying effort. you see a tory newland on, on the air talking about the encouraging the bombing of, of, of crimea. i mean this in drawing a crime. yeah. i mean this, this is going on and on until we can get rid of this administration. but now that's in question because everyone's questioning the integrity of our elections. and, and democracy has gone in this country. we, we, we pay lip service to it, but it's, it's a, it's, it's a tragedy. how events have turned. we don't have a country anymore. we don't have a, we don't have a southern border. we've lost our sovereignty. yeah, we're defending the border of ukraine. and this is the pastors and the american people are rightfully concerned about this, but they have their own, the problems, they have, they have inflation, they've got to deal with all self inflicted by the, by the administration. well, that's your control,

that's exert control. that's exactly the point now and the rush, it was supposed to be punished here. but what these neo liberal leads have done is punish their own people. of course these leads never feel the pain allen. well, he likes to chosen by the ruling class, which is the property owners. that's what one has to realize. we live in a society in which the dominant class, which is the property and is choose the state. and then the state tells everybody wants to using the volunteer system. so a sounds yes, as the thing is not to lawful cry, but understand. and i would say, organize, you have to rebuild the movement of the left in my opinion, because i don't think the right is going to provide that solution which will actually organize people to recognize the interest do not lie in a pressing the bell or what? cuz people abroad, so you know, so, but kennedy puts that you cannot have a democracy or imply because both. so if you get people to begin to understand the m file is inimical to the interest of ordinary folk in europe, in america,

in japan, in australia. then you will begin to get well, because the problem is or the left to the left and right have forgotten about the issue of class. i'm a conservative class is a very important issue, but the leads don't want to talk about a gentleman. i have to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the west and ukraine state without the the,

the welcome next across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter the bell to mind you were discussing the west and ukraine. the . okay, let's go to roger an officer here. one of the, the biggest difference, a major departure from the cold war is that the west during the leads lead by the united states obviously have decided to go toe to toe with a peer or near peer power. that was something in, during the cold war, which was a big no, no,

you can fight on the periphery. you wouldn't have proxy wars and all that. but what, what we see with this administration, and it's like these in your, my apologies allen and roger. but it is it's, it's very true. okay, so this is what makes it very dangerous because the u. s. is actually attempting a peer to peer $1.00 to $1.00 conflict. and at one point the russians may react. i'll tell you, living in this country, a lot of people want a stronger reaction to the, to the, the droning of crime in these cross border attacks on towns. they're there in the west as it should in for a conflict here in ukraine is the trigger. roger yeah, absolutely. and nothing can the prevention of these, what is it that just front of site training for these new training and 5 to policy use? that's sixteen's. and so, and they do, i sign my way, not even gonna provide them with, with the way of very happy for allies to provide the these planes that we've been

a showed by um, oh yeah. and yeah, i'm not gonna use them as a russian is, i mean, this is just nonsense. you know, in the end we can either rely on politicians to just wake up one morning and do the right thing. well, we can understand. but in the end, the engine of real change is working class people, and that's what we get. i have to mobilize, you know, is always about organizing how we're gonna get people to stand up and do something about this running the system that we're under. now we're looking at, we have this, which is faced with continuous heat pump to say the united states was really great because the, because china got involved helped to broker a paste. it's a inside the right if you have any room at the same time, they all they move haven't enough, have another. and to try and get some sort of a safe spot again along side the side is trying to get a safe spot in the city down at the moment, but not really hard. but you'll,

you'll never find that they have done a single thing to try and get any kind of paste my moments sold, said within a crime, despite the sense of china, despite the efforts of the, the african mission that that's also being launched. they are absolutely ruthless and they said they had been telling people, this is actually about what it is, their bats. and this is full spectrum dominance approach to the united states. they have that they have this policy for years. they are clear that anything that comes remotely close to interrupt, saying that at economic military, political dominance of the well, they will come down hard on. so that's why that coming down out on russia. and that's why they're coming down hard on china. we just have to white people up to the same. it's an organizing mission in the end for all of us. well, well, well michael, backfire and government jump in, michael. go ahead. yeah,

it's back firing. because what, what, what the world the world is beginning to recoil it's, it's evolving and it's going to be accelerating. i've seen it with the, with countries that want to join brooks with this, this alternative world order, the multi polar world order. that's beginning to a 2 o'clock to come up with a c and countries. 10 of them just said they're going off the us dollar. uh, that's significant, that is very significant. so they are beginning to recoil against this, this geometry by the united states. and because because of the weapon ization of economies and control that the by the administration has sought a over over the world look, they didn't do europe any favors. look what it's done to europe. yeah. made them a basket case. yeah. and, and then walk into what is going toward asia now the says, i mean, this is quite remarkable. michael, this is what the us does to its friends. okay. not our phones. okay. like that,

of course are like what i agree to that friends is they blow up bad pipelines. that's what they do to their friends. well, that's all part of the part part of the part of the game right now. and, but i wonder, you know, i m, i, uh, i studied history. that was my, my academic area. and that's the scholarly and you know, looking at world history, i can think of a case, maybe you can wear a head to mind just as head or you're right. i've changed my mind with all the friends that's not happening. i'm agreeing with all of you here. but ahead to me on doesn't walk away. i had your mind will probably create as much can a us is possible and bring everybody else down with an hour. but we're basically oscillating our peter, i don't think you're a conservative. i think you're a rational as rationality so we need rationality stuff. in fact, the usaa is not a huge amount is an aspiring benjamin. this is filed. no, no, no, no, no, no,

it's the declining hedge. i'm on. i think we could all agree with that. this is the point that we're going to make. this has been kind of getting to the grocery usaa. it's been declining since 1960. it's now the 0. don't listen to the people to call what is basic is that kind of balance and science doing well, you look at the average g, d, p growth of the u. s. i is home, the world's and that as well as behind the difficulty. the problem is not that china is a threat to the us. the us is a threat to the us. that's bringing about a fundamental change because it can no longer even feed its own people. by roving the rest of the world and the people will wake up to that and that all cases with us up and you studied history. look at portugal, 1974 or germany. 1919. those were the only cases in the west when that would be revolutionary. movements of working people, the vice return government funded by that started with the when they realize they couldn't, we was now when the realization hits the this is not

a who the night co panels can win. i think you'll see a see change. what we have to do is build from the ground up, the movement that recognizes that you kind of reconcile info with democracy. and when that happens, i think you'll see quite low movements emerging. that will be a powerful effect on rationality and hopefully, you know, the result will be done in a peaceful way and peaks and somewhere in the state. we've seen people from the military who the say, you know, this doesn't make sense. fellow rush list to sign. this is not the way to do things . hopefully this will happen peacefully, but whatever, if they keep suppressing it is they going to produce funds? look at paris looking from look at the situation. my call is in, think of about generalizing. so what we hope is the reason prove vials and the reason profiles, peaceful profile. well, i'm really glad my comments triggered you like that because you are quite, quite um, i think prophetic and, and,

and very descriptive of what's going on right now. good job. well done. let's go to roger and oxford with you. okay, i want to push back a little bit here. we had the co been locked down. we had censorship on a massive scale. we know the, the powers that be, were very much involved in the well so called russia gate hugs. i mean, the, the deck is stacked against as roger as much as we may want to organize. and i'm a conservative, but i can deal very easily with progressives on this issue. but then this is what the powers that be want they want a separate is always put us in our little boxes and keep us away from each other. and that's one of the reasons this program exists is to bring a wide group of people together on the issues where we can bind commonality. go ahead, roger, but also i think, i think we should also have going back to, well, i'm one of my 1st comments about looking at this through a wider lens rather than 3. they can global knowles effectively because i,

i think that we really need to use organizing strengths, use all of that kind of technology that's, that is now available to us such as even being able to do this call i, but use the facilities that we've got to engage more with ad service in the global science who have said that they're not prepared to put up with a continual role of the united states being told that they can only trade in the us dollar. basically that they pitched all that stuff. and i think we need to link him with and because i think he forever to say, we'll try it. and it's gonna come about because people have organized not just in the global knowles, but haven't linked in ways um, similar progressive full says i'm from the global science as well. so i've gone really optimistic actually, cuz i, i see a lot of people rising up. i see a lot of people who are not prepared to just put up with and the way that it's

always been and i'm looking for a new wells really bad looking for a new way of organizing things. so that the minute i step a line that the united states is not able to decide, well, we're just going to not issue with a lot of bunch of sanctions against it because i wouldn't be able to do that. it does it with the, the, the authorization this taking place. so i must have massive shift that's taking place on really optimistic that we're going to see some real change. but only, i think if we make sure the outlines isn't just about the global. no, but it's all about this as well. roger, you didn't, you can see them, but i can michael in our and or giving thumbs up. we couldn't get in complete agreement. me to all right. oh michael, where, where do we go from here? because again, and it's, you know, if you ask people in the west, you know how, how important is the crane to you? it's really low. you know, it's, it's a lot, it's in double digits right now, but it continues here. and we, and like i said earlier, rush,

it was supposed to be published economically, but their own people are and, but can they tolerate dissent? after all, you know, is a lensky is the, you know, the, the, the future of democracy and prosperity there with all this garbage that we hear on a, on a regular basis. go ahead, michael. you know, i think, i think as long as the, they keep up, the pressure of that was just described from the global south, the global north and basically isolate the united states so that it becomes a, just a speck of what it used to be. and in terms of trying to take over the world or, or, or force other countries, it's a submission. i think that this is going to be the key plus unique countries. and people within the countries now the 2 to form a ground swell of opposition to this war in any other wars, because they're, they're, they're, they're obsolete. and, and we, we are seeing this, we thought we thought was vietnam. that's how the vietnam war ultimately ended.

people got sick of it, i mean, and there was no, no, uh, n game toward, toward that war except all ideologically inclined individuals who wanted to defeat something that was not, was not the case, no domino series occurred. and, and that's, and we're seeing an overlay today of, of the united states still trying to make those comparisons with, with russia towards europe. and it equates him, the quite put in what scale it doesn't exist. but yet the other 3rd trying to leave with what we're all saying, chair and for those things to change the if this is there has to be an utter failure on the part of the west because it is. yeah. north south. you mentioned your gentleman. that's all the time we have. i want to make my guess investment when to pay and, and oxford. i don't want to thank our viewers for watching us here in our to see you next time. and remember, press on rules the

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