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the the hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered. i'm peter level. what does the west a me to achieve and see cream proxy war, the defeat humiliation and break up of russia. if this is the case, then the west, because the cross talking ukraine and europe, i'm joined by my guess, matthew errant in montreal. he's a senior fellow at the american university in moscow and director of the rising tide foundation of canada and parents. we cross the john laughlin, he's

a university lecturer and in history and political philosophy can jump it anytime you want. and i always appreciate, john, let me go to you. yeah, of course you've been following the news as closely as i have been. and with the, the way the, the, the new iteration of what needs to be done is a ceasefire. creating some kind of security arrangement with ukraine a can to the uh, is really model. i mean, a lot of ink is being spelt a little nonsense because at the end of the day, what needs to be considered end of this conflict and what it's relative account for ukraine, which i think everyone knows it will be destroyed. and the european union will be left holding the bag up some kind of run state. it's very unclear of nato can even survive this debacle. un nato is the problem, nate, because of the existence of nato and its objectives caused this conflict to your thoughts. john? yeah, i mean it's pretty clear, isn't it, that there are different factions within the american administration? they're obviously the neo con holtz and,

but there also seem to be some perhaps pentagon realist and that's why, as you suggested in your questionnaire, a room is about a ceasefire. appraisal of those forms of woods, if they prevail, if that's a option, prevails the other option, of course being to escalate the wall, which many people are arguing for. but if the frozen conflict multiple prevails, then that is of course, a victory for russia, at least in the immediate and perhaps short medium terms. what i mean by that is that there are plenty of other frozen conflicts in the territory of the former soviet union. obviously in georgia from the 20 of a conflict in the motive of it and transmit straight from the early nineties and all of them. i mean, to put a very bluntly, that russian troops in the territories in question and then not likely to be going home at any point soon. and then we may indeed be the one that will now turn out to

be a to prevail is that's of course we are a few days from the defeat of ukraine in best mood, a defeats which it was initially. it was very difficult to confirm is looking at uh wonderful media because they were different claims encounter. china is now set a defeat for the credit inside. precisely because you can't find of anything about it in the media. if the, if the fighting was still going on and if you create, had any jobs of, of recapturing the city in the, in the immediate future, then we would have nothing else. so that defeat and of course they can comments. in fact, that the famous counselor offensive seems to be being put off more and more. makes me wonder whether indeed there isn't a pen to good realist, fax, december. i'm with the, the west inside the nature side now realizes that actually a frozen conflict is about the only face saving solution that they can hope for. well, you know, to,

i think there's one problem with that. i say your line of argumentation as usual. it's impeccable that let me go to matthew in montreal, but to have a ceasefire, you have to have both sides to agree. why would russia agree? as well as passcodes made the points of either it's very difficult to speak to count of parties that have made, made it illegal to having to go. she ation with the current sitting leadership of russia. so there's very much to talk to if that were to change the, the, the problems still exist, which is, well, what is the ultimate objective regarding benito and us catalogs of the current as a, once the regime or at the, at the end of the day, what do they want at all, you know, there, there is a, i think a lot of in fighting right now about the fact that what we suppose to happen a year ago did not happen. russia was not a lot of these forecasts that were believed to be the necessary, obvious outcome of this uh, this gap. it did not happen in reference,

much stronger on almost every variable in every metric that one can look at. especially when compared to the increasingly sinking west. i think that you, you have all sorts of contrary messaging coming out of the west. a lot of i think these are signs of a lot of infighting. all actual to say um, you know, you, you have so many different things that i don't think it is likely a rush. it just needs a secure uh, speed of trudy interest met. it's not that difficult to understand and as long as you have an ideal, ideologically driven, a fascist, we inclined militarist that are being supported any, any way within new west ukraine. it's simply, it's not going to be in security and trust any, an open agreements that eventually ukraine will be brought into data with some point. well, i mean the red lines, how in the world to biggest problems here that we have. is that the west in the 1st

of all, back to any legal cool when 2014 brought to power some alternation? what's, what's called them, what they are bashes, cuz that's what they are. okay. and they've been empowered, they didn't have that kind of sway before 2014 to what they did was a, maybe illegal opposition parties. and zalinski went even further monopolizing and nationalizing the media. and then the 2nd, the 2nd to the drops as it work is the minutes a process. so, i mean, you can deal with these fanatics in ukraine that have been empowered by the west and the europeans. and why in the world with the russians trust a another agreement i wouldn't hold by the way, who blow up the pipelines? i mean, this is the dilemma we're having, and that's why i think if there is a frozen conflict, it would be under russians terms. and there in the west is going to know, i think that's right, that's sorry. uh, that's actually more of what i meant when i was talking about to cease. but i did use the word present conflict in my reply because i, i do think that the, the, the,

the, the, the 1st and conflict model, if you can call it that is a face saving device. right. it doesn't, i, if i said any device that i would russia be content with that? well, it seems to me, but again, i'm not a military specialist that russia does have difficulty or has had difficulty advancing. we, we'll remember the retreats from have solved and from, from, from hosp gulf, some months ago we've seen that the battle of best mood has been very difficult. we made a little of that fact, but it seems to be the case. it's not the is it for russia can go into ukraine like a nice 3, but to not just as for the west, it realizes that its desires have come up against the britain will of reality, the same may be true of russia, and that is why the thing maze is allowed, i'm not saying it will. it may i feel with there's a lot of talk about escalation, there's a to, to talk about the f sixteens and, and the liquid tanks and all the rest of it. but it may be that the style mates is

what we're heading to simply because of the facts on the ground. yeah, well math here, you know, you know what, this program prime a, deconstruct, all the western and other topics as well. what's all, remember, let's do a little bit, go down on the pass a picture, you know, ukraine, you know, against the russian bear and all that for 8 years, nato was building up the military capacity of ukraine with sophisticated weapons and technology. okay. surveillance, the works here and plus, we have to remember it is, it is widely believed. i believe it that when russia started its special military operation, that was just prior to what the ukrainians were going to do and invading the don bout. so they were and they had an offensive past year, they were built up. and this is why it's being so hard to push back. but, you know, if you look in a military in europe for the 1st day of the complex ukraine was 2nd after turkey in, in, in europe. so, i mean, this narrative, you know,

look what's been poured in since then. now i am, for me, it is very, very dangerous that go down the escalation lot or because that's what nato is going to do. but they're not going to send those f sixteens, matthew, they're not going to do it because how is the americans going to explain? is like pedals that are trinkets around the world? well, they all got shut down because, oh they were you creating pilots? okay. know these planes were fighting our um, um, um over um people that were in the middle east herdsman so okay. going up on near pier power in rushes, proven the conventional aid is superior to the united states. matthew, of all you use later the again, that there's this, this ivory tower problem which and i'm not a military expert, but i do know when i see ivory tower thinking collapsing when pressed against reality. and there's this idea that all conflicts are somehow created equal in this mathematical plainfield. and just because they were a lot, they were able to get certain effects in the middle east against shepherds and people were, you know, fighting malicious style from mountain ranges and what have you, all of a sudden now that they're seeing that,

that the same effect is not happening when you have a similar, maybe a quantitative we rate or magnitude of military power put into something because all of a sudden you're dealing with a very technologically advanced society of a restaurant and resign supersonic missiles and a variety of other things that have changed the rules of the game there, the would many of the weapons that that brush has been able to produce over the last years shouldn't even exist accessible west they're, they're not, they're not in reality. so, i mean, i think that there is this uh, this problem. we're by russia in the past and throughout the cold war was not in a situation of, of economic and political at 6. the polar alliance with its special relationship with china increasingly also has a iran, a variety of other nations of your asia, the shanghai cooperation organization. is create a strength and a confidence, which i think is rendering many, many um western view pulse. and they're, they're, they're getting, they're not able to formulate or,

or plan what will be done next will say man and man is the last 2. but before we go to me, before we go to the break, throw in and i'm agreeing with you d. dollarization, that's happening very, very quickly. yes, absolutely. i mean, is this happening in an accelerated rate? the already 2 thirds of the trade between china and russia is, are being done local currencies. and that was just one quarter just in 2021. so you have a, a, a vast, vast dollarization. it's very important to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on ukraine and here say, what are the the, the 1935 passes italy,

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