to go and then an arab country order mostly, and country is very reluctant to call it that, that, or is that that, or has the power to keep the monitors list and remove them off, whatever it is. so is that, do you think that was the by the ministration blink and so on, actually saying, saudi arabia, you play ball and do what we say in your region, or we don't care, we'll even work with the, we work with anyone to hurt you. i, i honestly don't think it was that malicious american officials that i spoke to during this period. i'll say agree that it was a miscalculation, for example. they say that withdrawal of the patriot themselves, which as you know, i've seen is a defensive technology. nothing offensive. nobody was asking the americans to take part in the what i'm say, they don't even work. well, that's a, that's a separate discussion. but me, i to raise your arms, you may and may, i just to remind you of the difficulties of fish in slogan is not the so the area, their official slogan is the america. so we were waging a war and at the request of illegitimate government,

of the human guess administered a group that deliberately targets a civilians incipient areas by default that should be cold, etc, etc. is. and this was the beginning of the kind of the disagreements on automatically the all global south audience isn't going to be surprised given the levels of information that's now there about us. and british complicity with the extreme is groups in syria, fact chemical attacks and all sorts of things. i mean, i want to ask you the most of our them uses the voice of a changing region. i don't know when was that there before you started it? our view is that that was my fingerprint on, on the front page. and it surprise even you, because you seem to be is if this is all in the pipeline, when going underground sort of broadcasting from here, there was no deal with the run. there was no deal with syria. how quickly it all the things changing any how uh, what's an excel ration to we expect. so when we were in the brainstorming session to come up with that to, to deadline and we take, you know,

i take full pride with me and my team about it. we knew things were changing. for example, at that time, it was the talk about the woman driving the curbing the powers of the rid of just police, which is phenomenon. we just had, i honestly say that we, nobody had any idea how massive the changes are going to be. when you talk about the aging brokerage, so the around a deal, i don't think anybody in their wildest imagination would have imagined both that this would happen. but also this would happen this quickly. literally president g came to sell the area in december. the deal was signed in in march. now i know there were previous discussions before we cover that. here is a, but that's at this to many for chinese, the efficiency and at this to me and an indicator that when you get the right to me, the youth or somebody was leverage over a you done and you play your cards, right? you can come up with a deal, which again, like i was saying about the syria issue. i cannot see how this harms western interest in the country. everybody has an interest in a stable,

middle east. everybody has an interest in safe passage of only of shipments through the gulf, through the red sea. everybody has an interest in, you know, curbing or a tackling terrorist groups or advocating them completely. i've, i've been to, you know, conferences and seeing enough americans off the record, explain that there are many forces in nature, nations believe the opposite to what you just said. they are interested in instability and limit lease. they want to create instability, unlimited needs because they fear about for middle east and they fear desperately united are well. so i, i really don't know what to tell me. i've seen because i've been at the receiving ends of as you probably guess, being the outward looking or english language newspaper of the region. and my, my answer is that, look when we're escalating, we get condemned when we're the escalating, we get content. so it's a really a situation if you're done, if you do, and you don't see that we go to the stage now, i'm like, who guess?

no. so no, i think it's better to do that. no, it was. i think in, you know, the leadership has in that, that seems atlantic interview. the conference has said that we, we don't care what other people think because we believe we are doing the right thing. and, you know, if you look at all of these decisions, they do not only serve so the areas of interest, these are regional interest and international interest. but really i believe it's not our problem. if other people are failing to recognize the opportunity here. i mean, why would the country like so the view, put all of these resources to help evacuate citizens from all over the world, from, from, so that, you know, if we were in either country, we're not, you know, we are typically trying, we're trying hard to help we're trying help to lose or must have resources which god has given us to help everybody else. but, you know, if somebody fails to see the bigger picture, that is their problem. what about, of course, the united states would say, i think many people would say that usaid and v 8 industry is used by somebody as

to the to get the geopolitical leverage and has been in the past. i've watched interviews with you when you really the international for them all over the world. do you think it's a level of racism or the geo political fear that's a play when they seem to suggest for his women's rights or they will concentrate on some issue. and i know we were one of the 1st. you immediately changed your news room to have uh more women in the news room. and so how, how do you react to this is orient list, be abuse that the arab countries don't decide you're able to get in nature nation media? look, i think it's a short answer would be all of the above. it's a bit of ignorance. it's a bit of oriented it's, it's, it's a bit oriented isn't. it's a bit of agendas, but mostly i would like to go to winston churchill and who said, you know, the americans will do the right thing after they've tried everything else. the number of meetings, or re, things that i've been, you know, attending,

or seen or heard of. and the amount of advice that has been given to washington and back from the barrack obama. these, you know, we told them, you know, you cannot appease a monster, be it run you clear a threat. is that clear and present danger, but it's not the only danger when you know inject cache into the 3 team, you're instigating the other line activities and what was the response of the of the whole the school as you know are supported by it on the attack the u. s. navy, 3 times in the last 4 months of the obama and the u. s. navy, which i'm sure was very humiliating for many of the generals, and many of the military men and women in service. they did not respond because the administration at the time did not want anything to interfere with the run. okay. we don't wanna sound like a normal drum broadcast because that is what the drum says all the time. what about the shadow of a rock? because of in britain, in the united states,

those policy makers who supported the destruction of a rock, they, there well in with the political firmament. whether it be ellery clinton or advisors to the people involved in the georgia bush, junior, george w bush shed junior administration. what is the shadow of a rod? because uh in a donation, same kind of forgotten. uh, absolutely. um and i just want to tell you this with the last answer that i, i've given iraq was another example. where'd we'd desperately tried to advise the us? not to do it in 2003, and people who cover the what, remember what the position of solidarity the leadership at the time. so this coming sold them is management. there was no question that us was going to win the war, but how are you going to manage the, the to and we were proven a right when speaking we spoke about the shuttle asset and the seed in region. when president obama said that the using chemical weapons is a red line and then the that's really the awkward youtube and we give them advice.

there were no chemical weapons used by the buzzer. r last said to administration, when i have my different self anything and i mean why the alone and there's a lot to be in read about that. but the what, you know, what i, what i do know is, after i, i know you, i know that you don't want this to sound like a president. trump. uh, interesting. but what i can use back in control. but i do know is when trump strikes against i said, there were no reports whether people choose to believe them or not. uh, there were no further reports about using chemical weapons face. so i was hoping that more from the editor in chief of our muse net adorable with member of our a be a news general off of this break, the

china, the ways you have the only interest in this new interest. we have also our, our lease coming entries and the best a lease coming choose to look into it that i wrote in that full cooperation, their principal corporation. and this was that we, we the welcome back going on the ground. i'm still here with the editor in chief of our

news face, a lot of us. the reason i said this had other arguments, as we had as a lensky is commander in chief on this show, just the other day. and he's a us veteran speaking to me from west point, and they're gonna use this kind of a rockwell strategy against russia and ukraine. how widely held is the view in the world away from here. and it's really, he's the believes iraq was worth it to the and then if you complain about the casualties of lit angelos was it's kind of going through old history or not recognizing american supremacy. and i own that the united states did the right thing. you know, the big sign of poles and that's a driven during that isn't so and i would hate to speak on behalf of the arb street . that's a very complicated question. but um, uh, what i can safely say is people judged by the outcome and what is the outcome the

iraq become better or worse? iraq became far worse and i have complete understanding and i have my own criticisms, any shoes of up to some done the same thing. this is not the criticism of this have done this. i think all of us will be critically, lisa thought, what does it mean? it's hardly not to write this, but what i'm talking about is the mismanagement of the day to of, of, of the iraq which has led to you can argue really say the creation of the dash, etc, etc. so people don't judge by the outcome and the outcome in this instance wasn't positive now to the kinds of propaganda against the arab world. how the, an agent, nation, propaganda against the outer world in, in general, not just from your appearance is presumably conferences and international for how to journalist to work for you at our news. do that, because presumably in the news room, they can see with narrative being constructed and propagated for various reasons. i mean, look, we are not without our shortcomings, and not without the lynette mistakes. we work hard to tell,

reflect the most accurate it's the story we, we, we can, there has been instances where we've corrected stories of a and, you know, change or proven. right? and so it's, you know, not every story that is published is wrong or inaccurate. but by then you call contracting, the kind of propaganda when i find in the us open, so we do, you know, we're very cautious that we are not the ministry of media of so you have to be aware and you steeper and you know, there are limits to what we can and we cannot do. i'm on the record saying this on another occasion is we as a country as a whole and need to do a better job in telling the amazing progress. and i, i do honestly think, i know people are watching this interview and expect me to say this, here's a drill and it's from saudi arabia. he's of course, going to kind of a lawyer and build his own horn and see nice things. but the, that the, she magnitudes of change that has happened over the past 6 years is unbelievable. i,

you know, if i were to go back 6 years and a half when i started doing, and i wouldn't ask again, not only would i do this job again, i would actually pay for it because it is remarkable to be there when women started driving, when cinemas, re open when for the 1st time in at least the last 40 years, the religious police where uh, you know, the powers of their industries were finally put in in check and you don't see them anymore. and i don't think people get, we give enough credit for that single. yeah, i understand that and they have that information state or nation media. but do you think that the, the, these are nations who have a desire to control saudi arabia, not only how production at the rate of you, but uh, given the control elements of geopolitically, which views that you are able to take because it's a superpower, this region do you think we'll just go? yeah, things a better? well, i mean, what are your tricks of this leave next to try and destroy you must have witnessed if,

as they try and destroys ad uribe is reputation around the world. the media. i know they always talk about you being is i think you probably can see as take control nate or nation media or is what, what are you expecting the latest fluids and defamation against that? are you ready to look in? if there is, isn't that driven media interest, you can't really blame them because there isn't that driven what you really surprises me sometimes is how know you've some of the people receiving the media is it's not really that hard to fact check these days if and, and compare, compare notes and see what, what is actually happening. you know, if i want to go in and other stuff, it's not hard now that over 50 countries can come without the visa to, to solve the ruby. it's not hard to come and check for yourselves. and there's been an inflow of a lot of during that it's from, you know, all the way from tokyo to toronto. come find and you know, i, you know, with a few exceptions, i cannot think of one person who didn't see with the positive impression, not because we're putting on a show or propaganda. but because the, the, the,

the misconception is so grief a outside and i get it's, we've been across the country for a very long time. we've done none, but i just do think the audience needs to approach this with the, with an open mind. and you know, if there's an edge and the driven during that isn't, there's a lot of ways they can check check. do you think you're increasing? are you going to look at double standards? has visual nationwide coverage with julian is anjanette or muse. i've noticed that the kinds of, uh, we're now in a stage where our media is beginning to realize that the, the kind of a colonial mentality of the great to west and the idea is that we do need is obviously the most famous john is in the world is in jail in la and look not. we're going to say it's not like we're going to start. we've already started then i'll give you a very quick example. um around 2 years ago. the who sees burnt 40. if you open refugees a lot coming of the heels of the black lives matters movement. i sold the news. i did not see don't any international. when most international media outlets didn't

cover it. what i expected is, you know, if the introduction media and i'm here to say old lives matter every life in a sense, life loss is a life too many. but if you're going to do all of that media coverage for floyd, and may he rest in peace within, i expect 14 more. 14 much as much coverage for the 44 if you, if you and refugees who would birth a life. but by the who with these, you know what we did, we started contacting newspapers in britain and the u. k. one by one. i'm sending them email and footage and say are you going to cover? only one of them. i replied, the main black lives matter movement in america didn't reply. there was a splinter organization of it that came and shame them for not doing that. and you know, it will always be those who would fees would deny that that happens. i think i remember in that, in that case, but today it's not just a matter of ignoring your let's is a however, the move of which your member i, on the editorial board, the like, i don't know how many on the television stations. i don't even bothering to get

their off, go on go, you can give them incense a license. why? why would that be a cause a, do you don't care about being broadcast in britain for you to ask? i'm sure if you ask the management of a lot of the of the will give you a more update to date. the answer on that symptomatic press really well look. i mean, i've been asked this question in the u. k. and you know, it's very easy to come with kind of a steepest of all sorts of things. but you know, we are with, we are, we don't have the 1st amendment in indiana, but we have to work in very tough condition. i'm talking about no but, but let me see what i could for you to really don't need to know. i mean i'm, but i'm getting to that point so we don't have it. so by default that means when we do something, could i just when we do something profession, we should be uploaded the other way around. there's nothing special about the new york times or the washington post doing what they're supposed to be doing, given that their legal framework protects them to do it. but as you mentioned, who is perfect, you know, i was on a bbc review interview and so you know, you're,

you're addressing people for protesting or tweeting. and i say, did you not watch the controls coordination, you know, and the 3 for having blank posters. so, you know, i think everybody needs to have a deep look insight before throwing bricks at other people you mentioned visually on that song? should i still remember when you know, the british security forces read the offices of the guardian and force during the rest of the story, laptops and computers and hard disk? you know, that is only less than 10 years old. so nobody's perfect to you. you'd expect to be done the saudi security forces coming into the arab news and faxing a laptop in front of you. you know, you would be, you'd be like probably the god in the british i seen you'd be super comfortable in working as a journalist in saudi arabia. and i know how this sounds, but i'm more comfortable working as a journalist in saudi arabia. then having to deal with companies like cart the rock in, in the u. k, which is the live of the capital of the weatherly. be the got

a rock would deny what you're saying to how that agency is. we want to keep going under trials, right. and you know, this is not encouraging, you does nothing wrong, it's not a, it's a, you know, encouraging the abuse or going after people unfairly. but you know, the laws in the u. k. are pretty trick on you. so i feel much more comfortable working in cell gave you a knowing that the way we're headed with the vision 2030 we're it has to happen that we're going to have more transparency because this is a whole and vision that is based on accountability. transparency sized for ministers and government officials. we're not there yet, but i'm sure we're going to get there. what happens though, and i have to say, i feel more comfortable here clearly because i moved from london over here. and we had the united nation special represent talk about torture of juliet assigned you in london. but what about the fact that a lot of arab journalists, anthony universities and british universe, because i'm going to inherit some of these orient list ideas,

not fully understanding that the world is uh, a package we reckon with now along with break look, my nice thing is i always see everybody, and i mean everybody needs a system update on what the article is, particularly the gc it has become. and there, there are many outdated, unfortunately, sometimes even by our own people who maybe have spent a long time abroad. but this is, as the tagline of our newspaper says, this is a changing region. it has changed dramatically in the last few years. with regards to, you know, the, you know, western media and really about a lead glass arabs. we don't realize that actually you don't need to count to west of foreign policy. look, we wouldn't do what is in our interest, i think is the message. and we would make sure that our interest doesn't harm your interest, which i think is a, is a fair game. but if anybody, i believe that if anybody is expecting a free ride, that doesn't happen anymore and breaks. if you did, that's

a variety of inside your area. once it to join the breaks you expect that here may be a to be part of breaks. and i mean, it's a very complicated negotiations. what i do know is there's a friends of bricks meeting happening in south africa beginning of june, where so the idea is invited. i know there is serious talks to invite the leadership to come to the summit in august. how that materializes, i don't know, and it's too early to judge. but, you know, the kingdom has signaled in recent years that it's wants to consider alliances with all sorts of blocks in the world, in a way that serves its own interest, regional interest and international interest. and there is no reason why we shouldn't talk to um, you know, the bricks group and see if we can align or interest with theirs. well, as the american say, do you, do, you know, like china dual is a bright american innovation, there's nothing we are, will not be the global south avenue that's full of innovation. and that kind of know how they view americans in the western europeans can just tell me what he's

the, what about the astronauts? but i, i'm always saying it ironically. tell me about the what are your thoughts with you as even though it says, i think you might have to explain because internationally, maybe it's not. no, well as you know, so the already the, it was the 1st out of country it to send out a muslim to space. this was a night some funding settlement. and now there's a whole program as the so the space program and we want to catch up with our uh, brothers here in the u. e. in other signal that the whole region is, is rising through. and that's the 1st ever female saying of i know, yes, but are you on a hurry already on and from the way the yeah, but he was there, he was there a few months they've asked me to scan the americans. another thing, i don't think it should scare anybody, they are going there to do research, but it's a signal that, you know, we want to be part of and you know, this was launched from the us. we also just signed uh we also just signed as a country $37000000000.00 of boeing planes that are on the $121.00 to supply the

new airlines that we're building for a 40 on. so again, people, you know, see one part of the story, but don't see the other part of the story. if we were so anti american or want to break up with the america, why would we launch? there are other countries that we can launch a to space from, and there are other countries that can, that make equally good uh, airplanes. so i think there is this view to try to simply effective but not look at the whole story. right? so thank you. you'll have to go on an update just as far as changing region continues. that's over the show will be back on monday would be for the goldman sachs economist. you're going the acronym, break little jim o'neil to talk about the rise and breaks. and it's the challenge of the g 7, but until then you give the judge my role as social media. if it's not the sense that in your country and had to watch on what going on, they're going to be a normal. don't come to watch new and old episodes of going underground see monday, the the or

the the wires and why in this country. what if i get borrowed money in the store and this should have been a short order for not imagine just a lot. so could i scan when i knew what the subject or desktop session that's just shiny or just is when you bought a new born. you said almost in the the

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