room to have more women in the news room. and so how, how do you react to this is orient list, be abuse that the arab countries decide you're able to get in nature nation media? look, i think it's a short answer would be all of the above. it's a bit of, even though it's, it's a bit of oriented list. it's in, it's a bit oriented isn't. it's a bit of agendas, but mostly i would like to quote winston churchill and who said, you know, the americans will do the right thing after they've tried everything else. the number of meetings, or re, things that i've been, you know, attending, or seen or heard of. and the amount of advice that has been given to washington and back from the barrack obama. these, you know, we told them, you know, you cannot appease a monster, be it run you clear a threat is the clear and present danger, but it's not the only danger. when you inject cache into the 3 gene, you're instigating the other line activities. and what was the response of,

of the hosting, as well as you know, are supported by it on the attack, the u. s. navy, 3 times in the last 4 months of the obama and the u. s. navy, which i'm sure was very humiliating for many of the generals, and many of the, and many 3 men and women in service. they did not respond because the administration at the time did not want anything to interfere with the run. okay. we don't wanna sound like a normal drum broadcast, because that is what the drum says all the time. what about the shadow of a rock? because of in britain, in the united states, those policy makers who supported the destruction of a rock. they there well in with the political firmament, whether it be every clinton or advises to the people involved in the georgia bush junior, george w bush shed junior administration. what is the shadow of a rock? because uh, it may donations and kinda forgotten uh,

symmetry and i just want to tie this with the last answer that i, i've given iraq was another example. where'd we'd desperately try to advise the us not to do it in 2003, and people who cover the what, remember what the position of saudi arabia the leadership at the time. so this coming sold them as management. there was no question that us was going to win the war, but how were you gonna manage the the to and we were proven a right when speaking we spoke about the shuttle. i sent them the seed in region. when president obama said that the using chemical weapons is a red line and then the that's really the awkward youtube and we gave them advice, but there were no chemical weapons used by the bus or our last at the administration. when i have many different stuff in opinion, and i mean why be alone? and there's a lot to be worried about that. but there was, you know, what i, what i do know is after i, i know use i, i know that you don't want this to sound like a president, trump the interest. but what i going to use back in control. but i do know is when trump strikes against us, that there were no reports whether people choose to believe them or not. uh, there were no, i'm further reports about using chemical weapons face. so i was hoping that more

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the the, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the editor in chief of our news faces. a lot of us. the reason i said the shadow of the rock because we had the ex adviser to zalinski is commander in chief on this show just the other day. and he's a us veteran speaking to me from west point. he said the rock was worth it and they're going to use this kind of a rock was strategy against russia and ukraine. how widely held is the view

in the world away from here into these the believes iraq was worth in the and then if you complain about the casualties and the 10s of millions killed window displays by all those was and it's kind of going through old history or not recognizing american supremacy and when they're the united states did the right thing. you know, i'm a big fan of poles and that's a driven during that isn't so and i would hate to speak on behalf of the arb street . that's a very complicated question, but um, what i can safely say is people judged by the outcome and what is the outcome? did iraq become better or worse? iraq became far worse and i have complete understanding and i have my own criticisms and issues of up to some of them seem preaching. this is not the criticism of this have done this. i think all of us would be critically based without what i mean. it's hardly not to write that, but what i'm talking about is the mismanagement of the day to of, of, of the iraq which has led to you can argue really say the creation of the dash, etc,

etc. so people don't judge by the outcome and the outcome in this instance wasn't positive now to the kinds of propaganda against the arab world. how, how do you counter of the nation ation propaganda against the world in, in general, not just from your experiences, presumably at conferences and international for how to journalists who work for you at the news. do that because presumably in the news room, they can see with narrative being constructed and propagated for various reasons. i mean, look, we are not without our shortcomings and not without our own mistakes. we work hard to tell, reflect the most accurate it's the story we, we, we can, there has been instances where we've corrected stories of a and, you know, challenged newspapers like the new york times and we were proven. right. and so it's, you know, not every story that is published is wrong or inaccurate,

but by then you call contracting. the kind of propaganda when i find in the system . so we do, uh, you know, we're very cautious that we are not the ministry of media, of, of so the be aware a newspaper and you know, there are limits to, to be done. and we cannot do. i'm on the record saying this on another occasion is we as a country as a whole and need to do a better job in telling the amazing progress. and i, i do honestly think, and i know people watching this interview would expect me to say this. here's a german, it's from saudi arabia. he's of course, going to kind of a lawyer and go his own horn and see nice things. but the, the, the, the sheer amount of, of the she magnitude of change that has happens over the past 6 years is unbelievable. i, you know, if i were to go back 6 years and a half when i started doing, and i wouldn't ask again, not only would i do this job again, i would actually pay for it because it is remarkable to be there when women started driving, when cinemas, re open when for the 1st time in at least the last 40 years, the religious police where uh, you know,

the powers of their industries were finally put in in check and you don't see them anymore. and i don't think people get, we give enough credit for that single. yeah, i understand that they have that information and some of it is even coming out into major nation media. but do you think that the, the nato nations who have a desire to control saudi arabia, not only how production saudi arabia, but uh, given the control elements of geo politically, which views that he or maybe it takes because it's a superpower, this region. do you think we'll just go? yeah, things about it. well, i mean, what are your tricks of this leave next to try and destroy, you must have witnessed it as a try and destroys add uribe is reputation around the world. the media. i know they always talk about you being state of control. arguably, i think you probably can see how state control need to a nation meet here is what, what are you expecting the latest fluids and defamation against that here,

maybe to look in. if there is, as in the driven media in the west, you can't really blame them because there isn't that driven what you really surprises me sometimes is how know you've some of the people are receiving media is it's not really that hard to fact check these days it's not really hard to find another source and, and compare, compare notes and see what, what is actually happening. you know, if i want to go in, i know this stuff is not hard. now that over 50 countries can come without a visa to, to solve the review. it's not hard to come and check for yourselves. and there's been an inflow of a lot of journalists from, you know, all the way from tokyo to toronto coming to saudi arabia to find and, you know, i, you know, with a few exceptions, i cannot think of one person who didn't see with the positive impression not because we're putting on a show or propaganda, but because the, the, the, the misconception is so grief outside and i get it's, we've been across country for a very long time. we've done wrong things for the very long time. but i just do

think the audience needs to approach this with the, with an open mind. and, you know, if there isn't, isn't that driven during that isn't? there's a lot of ways they can check check. do you think you're increasing? are you going to look at double standards? has been a nation media criticizes out here. maybe i know your coverage with julian is anjanette news. i've noticed that the kinds of, uh, we're now in a stage where our media is beginning to realize that the kind of a colonial mentality of the great west and the ideas of freedom are not quite as they were. that is, your name is obviously the most famous john is in the world, is in jail in love, look not, we're going to, it's not like we're going to start. we've already started. then i'll give you a very quick example. around 2 years ago, the who sees burnt 40. if you open refugees life. and you know this was coming of the heels of the globe or black lives matters movement. i saw the news, i did not see it on any international. when most international media outlets didn't

cover it, what i expected is, you know, if the introduction media and i'm here to say old lives matter every life in a sense, life loss is a life too many. but if you're going to do all of that media coverage for flights, and may he rest in peace within, i expect 40 more. 40 much as much coverage for the 44 if you will be, and refugees who would birth a life. but by the who with these, you know what we did, we started contacting newspapers in britain and the u. k. one by one. i'm sending them email and footage and say are you going to cover it? only one of them replied. the main black lives matter movements in america didn't reply. there was a splinter organization of it that came and shame them for not doing that and you know, a little they always with us who would fees would deny that that happens. i think i remember in that, in that case, but today it's not just a matter of ignoring your, let's is a however, the move of which you're remember i, on the editorial board like fox news like, or t like, i don't know how many on the television stations,

i don't even bothering to get there off. cool. i'm guessing you can't government center license. why? why would that be a way? does a do you don't care about being broadcast in britain for you to ask? i'm sure if you ask the management of a lot of the of the will give you a more update to date. the answer on that symptomatic press really well look. i mean, i've been asked this question in the u. k. and you know, it's very easy to come with kind of a stiff upper lip and accuse us of all sorts of things. but, you know, we are with, we are, we don't have the 1st amendment in indiana, but we have to work in very tough condition. i'm talking about no but, but let me see what i could for you to really don't need to know. i mean i'm, but i'm getting to that point so we don't have it. so by default that means when we do something, could they just when we do something profession, we should be uploaded? not the other way around. there's nothing special about the new york times or the washington post doing what they're supposed to be doing, given that their legal framework protects them to do it. but as you mentioned,

who was perfect. you know, i was on a bbc review interview and saying, you know, you're, you're addressing people for protesting or tweeting. and i say, did you not watch the controls coordination? you know, and the 1st time we know when people are being arrested latrice for having blank posters. so, you know, i think everybody needs to have a deep look insight before throwing bricks at other people you mentioned visually on a song? sure. i still remember when you know, a brute to security forces, read the offices of the guardian and force during the rest of the story, laptops and computers and hard disk. you know, that is only less than 10 years old. so nobody's perfect to you. you'd expect to be done the saudi security forces coming into the arab news and faxing a laptop in front of you. you know, you wouldn't be, you'd be surprised if it's a god in the british. i seen, you'd be surprised that i'm seeing this, but i am more comfortable in working as a journalist in saudi arabia. and i know how this sounds, but i'm more comfortable working as a journalist in saudi arabia. then having to deal with companies like cart the rock

in, in the u. k, which is the live of capital of the weatherly. be the cause of rock would deny what you're saying. know how that agency is. we want to keep going under spouse, right? and you know, this is not encouraging, you does nothing wrong, it's not up, you know, encouraging the abuse or going after people unfairly. but you know, the laws in the u. k. are pretty trick on you. so i feel much more comfortable working in cell gave you a knowing that the way we're headed with the vision 2030 we're it has to happen that we're going to have more transparency because this is a whole and vision that is based on accountability, transparency setting targets for and keep the eyes for ministers and government officials. we're not there yet, but i'm sure we're going to go through what happens though, and i have to say, i feel more comfortable here clearly because i moved from london over here. and we had the united nation special rep or do i talk about torture of juliet assigned you in london. but what about as the fact that the love of arab journalists in this

reach maybe an educated american universities and british universe because i'm going to inherit some of these orient list ideas? no fully understanding that the world is a apology. we reckon with now along with break look, my nice thing is i always see everybody. and i mean everybody needs a system update on what the article is, particularly the gcc, it has become. and there, there are many outdated, unfortunately, sometimes even by our own people who maybe it's spent a long time abroad. but this is as the tagline of our newspaper says, this is a changing region. it has changed dramatically in the last few years. with regards to, you know, the, you know, western media and told me about a lead glass arabs. we don't realize that actually you don't need to count to west of foreign policy. look, we wouldn't do what is in our interest, i think is the message. and we would make sure that our interest doesn't harm your

interest, which i think is a, is a fair game. but if anybody, i believe that if anybody is expecting a free ride, that doesn't happen anymore and breaks. if you did, that's a variety of inside the radio is going to absorb rusher and once it to join the breaks you expect that here may be a to be part of breaks. and i mean, it's a very complicated negotiations. what i do know is there's a friends of bricks meeting happening in south africa beginning of june, where so the idea is invited. i know there is serious talks to invite the leadership to come to the summit in august. how that materializes, i don't know, and it's too early to judge. but you know, the kingdom has signaled in recent years that it's wants to consider alliances with all sorts of blocks in the world, in a way that serves its own interest. the regional interest and international interest, and there is no reason why we shouldn't talk to um, you know, the bricks group and see if we can align or interest with theirs. well, as the american se, so you do, you know,

like china dual is the american innovation, there's nothing we are, will not be the global south having to do with it's full of innovation. and like i have no housing, the americans in the west, the opinions can just tell me what you thought about the astronauts. but i, i'm always saying it ironically. tell me about the, what are your thoughts with you as even though it says, i think you might have to explain it because internationally, maybe it's not known? well, as you know, so the already the, it was the 1st out of country it to send an out of most of them to space. this was in 1985. it was a prince, some funding settlement. and now there's a whole program as the so the space program and we want to catch up with our brother's here in the u. e. in other signal that the whole region is, is rising. so a few days ago to us or not. so the 1st ever female. so the us or not went through the international as i know by the way. yes. the who we already on and from the you a the yeah, but he was there, he was there

a few months i think of asking us get the americans another thing. i don't think it should scare anybody. there's going there to do research, but it's a signal that, you know, we want to be part of and you know, this was launched from the us. we also just signed with almost yes. and we also just signed as a country $37000000000.00 of boeing planes that are on the $121.00 to supply the new airlines that we're building for a 40 on. so again, people, you know, see one part of the story, but don't see the other part of the story. if we were so anti american or want to break up with the america, why would we launch? there are other countries that we can launch a to space from, and there are other countries that can, that make equally good uh, airplanes. so i think there is this view to try to simplify things and look at it from one perspective, but not to look at the whole story by so thank you. you'll have to go on an update just as far as changing the region continues. that's over the show will be back on monday would be for the goldman sachs economy, is declining the acronym break below jim o'neil to talk about the rising breaks.

and it's the challenge of the g 7. but until then, you give a judge my role as social media. if it's not the sense that in your country and had to watch, i'm going under going to be a normal, don't come to watch, new and old episodes of going underground. see monday, the the to china, the ways you have the only interest in this new interest. we have also our, our initial interest. but we can find some kind of space coming entries. and based on this coming tuesday, we can do a roadmap for cooperation with our principal corporation. and this is that we start to, to lead it to, uh, we, we,

the, [000:00:00;00] the turkey i gave up to sundays, well known both to us to, to leaving tons of dates from the 1st round. the bottle full, the presidency of a 100 people killed following 2 weeks of spiraling violence between communities in central nigeria plus the us subjects closer to an economic default for the 1st time in history. but the government desperately trying to agree on raising the country. so to warrant for the installer that c, like the loan law company in your and nearly focused on shipping,

steven grains for the 1st time, the us government green lights, the controversial, the a very welcome visitors, auntie international. with the latest 12 news update. it's good to have you with us . i was just hours left before tax take to the polls to elect the next president to 1000000 ballots for sundays run out from citizens living abroad have already arrived and on correct to some of our to mom a reporting for me. some bullshit the details with my colleague, p disclose. we know that are due on the side of the 50 percent vote that he needed. and occlusal also 45 percent. also side out. of course, both of these schools get dated and everyone's back to the pulse tomorrow. we're looking for a set close as i'm 60000000 people are looking to be voting tomorrow. are the ones just these 51 percent now as seen on or,

and you may remember from the 1st round the ad, 5 percent of the votes. he's sided with our dog and hopefully he's hoping that his votes is, will go that way. cause donal how does that aside do with the a, c p and they get a policy. we'll see if they join the boat as to is going to be a tough one to cool, but most people are expected to see out of the water for the next 5 years. i had of this obviously crucial election murat. i assume you've been walking around this stumble in the streets. what's the general atmosphere like? is this sense of how important this will going? both is people are really excited that there are a lot of these on these things. going on, the c h, the ad akbar, they're both running people to get them to the police agents tomorrow because there is a fear that people may not go. but if they do, we know that they'll be excitement in the air and we know that we'll find out very soon who the leader of to get will be. so it gives you both as prepared to head to the polls. so the 1st round concerns were raised by west and mainstream media of the direction the country could take to the other one, secure another to ortiz,

marine, a cause of, of picks up the story. so it's well known. but the general consensus in the was that's a d a is run by a dictator. and if or the one wins, again, it will spell disaster for their relationship with the country and for the nation itself. but the data is don't normally go into a runoff and people don't usually both. if they know that they're both mean nothing, inter t, a voter turnout has been consistently high for many years, average at over 80 percent. so k is a dictatorship. why the people both are testing their vote? here, the pressure, the turnout is high because these elections are vitals because it's a deciding factor for the countries face. and everyone knows this. they can sing for themselves to join us. the people are happy with the president and his administration because of this. i think they went to the policy in larger numbers.

i think this system is effective and it will be even more effective in the 2nd round, the would be healthier and you'd be folded, ministration, remain, but no matter who counts of power which have no choice, but to respect the outcome, you're asking about my personal opinion i think we're jump type and one is a world leader off the west, or maybe i isn't buying that states and that no matter what these elections will not be free or fair, i guess we know what their conclusion will be if their favorite 10 is that loses but it's not just about the presidential elections which have demonstrated people's belief in the system. it's also about the parliamentary elections. where are the ones a k party secure the majority of seats? the fact that the 14th of may elections took place in the form of acquire a feast of democracy with peace and quiet is an expression of democratic, mature to voucher to yeah, i congratulate all my citizens who voted in the name of democracy and took part in the election work and express my gratitude to each and every one of them. some would argue that sort of soft force to vote all the wise, they face a fine,

but that statement is misleading. so it may have compulsory votes, eng like many other countries, but it's not enforced. when the, the people is not close, they get the message is so that they can and the follow up with it, but it's not to implement that as a fine. it's not the exist. acute shows you know way, but this is something too much of a sample for going there and voting as a citizen. and it's not only and so here where people have been casting their ballots and fast, the number of char, exposing from a broad, nearly doubled since the 2018 elections. germany has the largest turkish diaspora around a 1000000 and a half people. and 26 polling stations were open if they even opened poland stations in new countries like bellas pockets. don n let's do waiting. yeah. so it seems that the k is expanding. it's alex oral

process following the countries transition from a parliamentary to a presidential system 4 years ago. so far as success. if we judge by boat or turn out numbers. but the west is still focused on headlines related to election rigging, for an interference and press depression. unable to explain why people are still voting and choosing the so called, dictate or associate professor of international relations. abraham colorado so explains why took us presidential election. i've seen such a high turn up. i don't know, it was high because the touch people on there. and they have the collections of the college as to how much space decision making can they know that they have to wait for 5 and 5 more years in these, these tests on the government side, the people that's more worried about the fits which proved or done as long as the

big i see, i call the 3 that last link, the majority of people are to coordinate those wind disadvantage. and the, this combination before that invest in countries are hostile to a country, use it till preventing freedom of speech before blending the baby just yet they should look at the space and the countries, the guarding the media. we can not write an optical which of courses do use time like i myself, do i choose to write an article in less than media? the i used to of to go is a stop looking, for example, to scholar monday to death. and obviously, or meanwhile, took, it has been struggling to overcome a crippling economic crisis. last october. inflation hate to 85 percent before slowing to 44 percent in april because he's clear out of his record know of 20 against the us dollar on friday. so what, it's what lodge of

t r t world uses error and believes that the economic situation will not have an effect on who people vote for. the dollar has been high now for more than a couple of months. so this isn't a new development. this isn't something that's shocking that is automatically going to change the minds of voters today because it's not something that immediately happens. so i don't think it's a market moving regarding the psychology of voters where it's going to ship voters who are undecided or who are on the swing between the ad one and cannot coach at all. so this is something that they're just presence that has address. i don't perceive him changing his economic policies, but regarding economy, i do see much more support for businesses, especially at the manufacturing a export in the defense sector and the health and education. so he's, he will try to most likely by injecting more liquidity into the market. uh, try to support these companies also making more credit available for growth uh,

and for employment as well. so his uh, his economic policies, most likely from what i've seen from his interviews that he's given, will stand as is, but the government will be more proactive if his administration continues in supporting businesses in supporting employment. will continue to bring you a special coverage of the technician presidential bundle selection this sunday on all t. stay tuned for all the latest developments the we strongly believe that we will continue to serve our nation for the next 5 years . was that to me, we will absolutely, absolutely. when these elections in the 2nd round, every one will say the and now i have to africa. well, a 100 people have been killed in central my geri up. and what local officials are saying, war tax, but, and done then on funding communities. the violence which started 2 weeks ago has

resulted in a mass displacement of low cost affected people. and especially women and children are both traumatized and have immediate humanitarian need, such as food, water and dignity and sanitation kits. we condemned these barbaric acts in the strongest terms possible. it is disheartening to see innocent citizens being killed and their property is destroyed in such a gruesome manner. the region is located between nigeria. as most of the muslim domestic heard the community in the knolls, and mainly christie and farmers in the south. for years it struggled image of ethnic and religious tensions with the violence escalating in the last few weeks off the brief, with spite during the countries february and march elections while local residents hold on. see that the government isn't doing enough to stop such tragic events. their reasons is if you go from a what do they need maybe to provide enough enough security